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Ben Stokes WHO? Move out of the way, Shakib Al Hasan has always been THE GREATEST all-rounder

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What a MAGNIFICENT knock, the greatest of all time in Champions Trophy history my word! I just can't beleive what I just witnessed, it was one for the ages, BD were 44-4 at one point! Oh my god in heaven, what just happened?! this is SUPER HUMAN ! SHAKIB IS AN ALIEN! that should be his new nickname SHAKIB THE ALIEN AL HASSAN!

Goodness me, simply incredible! :bow:

He has stunned the world time and time again, is the most consistent all rounder across all forms and across all conditions and it is time WE PUT HIM ON A PEDESTAL because that man deserves it!

As I've said before, playing for BD has been a unique challenges for the likes of Shakib, Tamim and co they find themselves under pressures which other teams do not, they literally are the glue which has held BD together and that extra weight on their shoulders must be factored in when we judge them because their performances are of even greater value. How many times will Stokes ever have to walk into bat when Eng are 44-4? He has been lucky to play in a powerful batting line up, Shakib has not benefited from the cushion of a world class team but has delivered time and time again but now with a bit of support BD are flourishing more then ever!

Take a bow Shakib! incredible! what a wonderful player!
 
Stokes is a big bottler and don't compare in quality to Shakib.

Never was a competition.
 
Hawkeye said:
Stokes is a big bottler and don't compare in quality to Shakib.

Never was a competition.
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True I was supposed to point that out in the OP not sure how I forgot it who could ever forget his choke in the T20 WC final, he doesn't have the genetics to succeed poor guy originates from kiwi land
 
Best proper AR since peak Botham. Kallis was a batsmen and bit-part bowler. Ashwin is a bowler who can bat a bit. Shak is a genuine AR and one of the top 5 Asian cricketers of alltime.
 
Stokes burst onto the scene just recetly, Shakib has been there for a decade and has seen the days of losing to the likes of Zimbabwe and Kenya yet has always been on the top of his game! He's seen the transition from minnow to a very good ODI team right in front of his eyes and he's adjusted so perfectly, it is beyond the average cricket fan's perception.
 
I meant best allrounder of the century so far ofcourse.

Not comparing with ATG like Khan Dev Botham Sobers
 
Has always been one of the best all rounders going around. Doesn't get the recognition he deserve mainly because of the Asian bias and the theory floated around by the English, Aussies and self loathing subcontinent fans who give less importance to performances in Asian conditions.
 
Been a fan of Shakib since our series in 2008 when Bangla boys toured us

Was one of the few Bangladeshi played a to leave With an improved reputation
 
ExpressPacer said:
Stokes burst onto the scene just recetly, Shakib has been there for a decade and has seen the days of losing to the likes of Zimbabwe and Kenya yet has always been on the top of his game! He's seen the transition from minnow to a very good ODI team right in front of his eyes and he's adjusted so perfectly, it is beyond the average cricket fan's perception.
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It's sad because playing for a minnow in those days meant that he'd not get as much recognition for his feats but I've always rated the bloke! glad the old warrior is reminding the world of his greatness and it's about time everyone took their hats of to the legend! what a journey it has been for him
 
Executioner said:
I meant best allrounder of the century so far ofcourse.

Not comparing with ATG like Khan Dev Botham Sobers
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Easily better than Dev, Hadlee and Kallis as an ALL ROUNDER. He is equally good with bat/ball. Dev was a moderate bowler and batsmen - but combined a top player. Khan was a great bowler but a moderate bat.
 
bujhee kom said:
Easily better than Dev, Hadlee and Kallis as an ALL ROUNDER. He is equally good with bat/ball. Dev was a moderate bowler and batsmen - but combined a top player. Khan was a great bowler but a moderate bat.
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We have officially crossed a new level of delusion.
 
Pollack said:
Better than Sobers. :)
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No, as GS was a true allrounder. Botham was a true AR. Hadlee/Kallis were not (great in 1 aspect, ave in the other). Dev is ave/ave but in 1 player that adds up to very valuable. Khan was a great bowler and a good batsman BUT never (or rarely) together.

Shak is very good/good at the same time.
 
Shakib is fantastic, but most teams will opt to have Stokes over Shakib in every format, and so will I.
 
Mamoon said:
Shakib is fantastic, but most teams will opt to have Stokes over Shakib in every format, and so will I.
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I second that. Perhaps because Stokes is a more flashy player in both departments. Can bowl some deliveries are frighteningly quick speeds and is a very dangerous and strong batsman who hits more sixes than most guys in the team. He brings a certain X factor to the side which Shakib doesn't.
 
Shakib is the current best spin all rounder
Stokes is the current best pace all rounder
 
ExpressPacer said:
I second that. Perhaps because Stokes is a more flashy player in both departments. Can bowl some deliveries are frighteningly quick speeds and is a very dangerous and strong batsman who hits more sixes than most guys in the team. He brings a certain X factor to the side which Shakib doesn't.
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Don't forget his fielding. He is one of the best of not THE best fielder going around

For me, Stokes is better than Shakib. This thread is the usual hype after one odd big performance by a player.
 
Mamoon said:
Shakib is fantastic, but most teams will opt to have Stokes over Shakib in every format, and so will I.
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But you have a bias to England even more then me! and am born here :))
 
ExpressPacer said:
I second that. Perhaps because Stokes is a more flashy player in both departments. Can bowl some deliveries are frighteningly quick speeds and is a very dangerous and strong batsman who hits more sixes than most guys in the team. He brings a certain X factor to the side which Shakib doesn't.
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Stick Stokesy in the BD team and I guarantee you he would choke 7.5 times out of 10
 
Commander said:
Don't forget his fielding. He is one of the best of not THE best fielder going around

For me, Stokes is better than Shakib. This thread is the usual hype after one odd big performance by a player.
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That's very ignorant of you, Shakib has been consistent for over a decade!
 
In current scenario, someone like shakib in place of Hafeez will make our team into a very good unit.

Shakib over Stokes any day.
 
ExpressPacer said:
I second that. Perhaps because Stokes is a more flashy player in both departments. Can bowl some deliveries are frighteningly quick speeds and is a very dangerous and strong batsman who hits more sixes than most guys in the team. He brings a certain X factor to the side which Shakib doesn't.
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Stokes is a box-office player and one of the biggest stars in the game already. Along with Kohli, he is going to go down as one of the most memorable players of this era.
 
Mamoon said:
Stokes is a box-office player and one of the biggest stars in the game already. Along with Kohli, he is going to go down as one of the most memorable players of this era.
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Stokes can choke though!
 
Mamoon said:
I would have said the same even if Stokes would have played for SA or Australia.
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Am not sure because Amla plays for SA and you don't have the same eyes for AUS as you do for ENG :mv they are your favourite team and Pak is your second pretty sure you said something along those lines a while back
 
ODIs:
Flintoff - 138 matches, 3293 runs, 31.97 ave, 3 centuries, 168 wickets, 23.61 B avg, 2 fifers
Botham - 116 Mtaches, 2113 runs, 23.21 ave, 0 centuries, 145 wickets, 28.54 B avg, 0 fifers
Stokes - 57 Mtaches, 1418 runs, 31.51 ave, 2 centuries, 49 wickets, 37.91 B avg, 1 fifers

Shakib - 176 Mtaches, 4968 runs, 34.98 ave, 5 centuries, 224 wickets, 29.25 B avg, 1 fifers
 
shaz619 said:
Am not sure because Amla plays for SA and you don't have the same eyes for AUS as you do for ENG :mv they are your favourite team and Pak is your second pretty sure you said something along those lines a while back
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The opposite. Pakistan favourite; England second favourite.

I don't like soft players. QdK, Faf and Rabada are Saffers too, but amongst my favourite players.
 
Pollack said:
Stokes can choke though!
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Only once so far. A choker lets his team down frequently under pressure. If he chokes in this tournament at a key moment, it will be a worrying sign for England because then there will be a pattern to his choking.
 
I don't get it, how people compare Shakib with Stokes?

Shakib - 176 Mtaches, 4968 runs, 34.98 ave, 224 wickets, 29.25 avg
Stokes - 57 Mtaches, 1418 runs, 31.51 ave, 49 wickets, 37.91 avg
 
imteaz said:
I don't get it, how people compare Shakib with Stokes?

Shakib - 176 Mtaches, 4968 runs, 34.98 ave, 224 wickets, 29.25 avg
Stokes - 57 Mtaches, 1418 runs, 31.51 ave, 49 wickets, 37.91 avg
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Potential (myth not actual output) and love of fast bowling.
 
ben stokes and shakib are both extremely elite. shakib has honestly all ready gone down as one of the greatest all rounders ever, and ben stokes will soon
 
bujhee kom said:
Easily better than Dev, Hadlee and Kallis as an ALL ROUNDER. He is equally good with bat/ball. Dev was a moderate bowler and batsmen - but combined a top player. Khan was a great bowler but a moderate bat.
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I hope this is sarcasm.

Shakib is the indeed the best pure allrounder in the world and has been since many years now. New faces are emerging now but Shakib has held his own in world cricket.

Having said that, to say he is "easily better" than some past greats who had performed in hostile conditions against the most dangerous bowlers is pushing it a bit. For instance, Kapil Dev has such an impactful record with bat and ball against the mighty west indies when they were at the top of their game.

Having said that, Shakib is still young and has time to influence results in favour of his team against the top sides in all formats to stake a claim as better than some of the past great all rounders.
 
Mamoon said:
Stokes is a box-office player and one of the biggest stars in the game already. Along with Kohli, he is going to go down as one of the most memorable players of this era.
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Afridi was also a box office player and one of the biggest stars in game.

And then you dont rate ABD who himself is a big superstar and a massive box office player.

Clearly the bias is there.

Shakib has been so clutch and effective in turning Bangladesh from minnows to a decent team that its not even worth question.
 
Ab Fan said:
Afridi was also a box office player and one of the biggest stars in game.

And then you dont rate ABD who himself is a big superstar and a massive box office player.

Clearly the bias is there.

Shakib has been so clutch and effective in turning Bangladesh from minnows to a decent team that its not even worth question.
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Stokes is a better performer at Test level than Afridi. His stock is higher.

De Villiers? a box-office coward.
 
Mamoon said:
Stokes is a better performer at Test level than Afridi. His stock is higher.

De Villiers? a box-office coward.
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What box office coward..LOL..now a new word has been found. As usual you dont have worthy argument to put and that is what you end up doing.

Stokes is much inferior superstar compared to ABD. Its not even worth question. Arguably the most overrated cricketer going around.Both Ashwin and Shakib are superior test cricketers to him.
 
imteaz said:
I don't get it, how people compare Shakib with Stokes?

Shakib - 176 Mtaches, 4968 runs, 34.98 ave, 224 wickets, 29.25 avg
Stokes - 57 Mtaches, 1418 runs, 31.51 ave, 49 wickets, 37.91 avg
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Would like to see a more recent comparison - maybe last 2/3 years?
 
Ab Fan said:
What box office coward..LOL..now a new word has been found. As usual you dont have worthy argument to put and that is what you end up doing.

Stokes is much inferior superstar compared to ABD. Its not even worth question. Arguably the most overrated cricketer going around.Both Ashwin and Shakib are superior test cricketers to him.
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Stokes has only been around for a 3-4 years while de Villiers is a veteran of 100 Tests. However, at the rate Stokes is going and progression, he will end up as one of the biggest stars of this era. Probably second to Kohli only.
 
Mamoon said:
Stokes has only been around for a 3-4 years while de Villiers is a veteran of 100 Tests. However, at the rate Stokes is going and progression, he will end up as one of the biggest stars of this era. Probably second to Kohli only.
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He is not even the best player in England let alone becoming 2nd biggest star of the era and his terrible attitude isn't taking him too far. He won't even make it to top 5 cricketers of his era let alone being the 2nd biggest of his era. And using the word "star" isn't going to save him given his terrible attitude and character. Not to forget number of times he has bottled it up on big occasions.
 
Ab Fan said:
He is not even the best player in England let alone becoming 2nd biggest star of the era and his terrible attitude isn't taking him too far. He won't even make it to top 5 cricketers of his era let alone being the 2nd biggest of his era. And using the word "star" isn't going to save him given his terrible attitude and character. Not to forget number of times he has bottled it up on big occasions.
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He has only bottled once, which is not enough to be labelled a choker.

De Villiers has all the talent in the world, but not the heart and the character to be a great of the game. For the bulk of his Test career, he was carried by superior Test players like Kallis, Smith, Amla and Steyn. Now that the former two have retired and Steyn is on his last legs, SA need him more than never. How does de Villiers respond? He chickens out to prolong his IPL career.

In ODIs, he is the best batsman in the team by a mile, but prefers to hide behind the top-order, while Amla, de Kock and du Plessis do the dirty work at the top. In addition, he has not won SA a single knockout match in any ICC tournament with his bat, and he regularly bottles big chases. Not to forget, a poor captain.

Stokes should be disappointed if he does not overtake de Villiers as a cricketer, considering the amount of ability that he possesses.
 
Stokes is really Good. I would have him in our side easily tbh but I think Shakib has simply​ survived the test of.tim
Not just survive but thrive.

Infact since 2009 he had the following competitors as the best allrounder-

Afridi
Watto
Hafeez
Jadeja
Corey Anderson
Ashwin
Now Stokes

But one name was always constant was Shakib. However i would not say he is underrated or anything else. The whole world knows him. Everyone knows about Shakib, premier leagues, comms, experts and who else.

He doesn't need recognition of internet warriors. All the stats are there on Cricinfo and the rankings are in ICC's website. True he deserves a trophy in his cabinet
 
Both are different, Stokes can be a brutal, destructive player on his day while Shakib will quietly go on about his task like he did today.
 
Mamoon said:
He has only bottled once, which is not enough to be labelled a choker.

De Villiers has all the talent in the world, but not the heart and the character to be a great of the game. For the bulk of his Test career, he was carried by superior Test players like Kallis, Smith, Amla and Steyn. Now that the former two have retired and Steyn is on his last legs, SA need him more than never. How does de Villiers respond? He chickens out to prolong his IPL career.

In ODIs, he is the best batsman in the team by a mile, but prefers to hide behind the top-order, while Amla, de Kock and du Plessis do the dirty work at the top. In addition, he has not won SA a single knockout match in any ICC tournament with his bat, and he regularly bottles big chases. Not to forget, a poor captain.

Stokes should be disappointed if he does not overtake de Villiers as a cricketer, considering the amount of ability that he possesses.
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Stokes bottled from situations where most would have won it. And there has been several occassions in tests where he has failed to show up with the bat when mattered.He is still a good test cricketer but in limited formats he hasnt done much and his terrible attitude makes it worse for him.

As for de Villiers is concerned, he was a major part of the big four- Smith, Kallis, Amla, AB and has had a very successful test career. Obviously, batting at 5 he cant win games single-handedly for his team but time and again he has performed and won games for South Africa. If carrying him was so easy then the likes of JP would also be averaging 40-45 in his test career.But that wasn't the case.

As for winning an ICC knockout is concerned, again its a team game and combination of individuals won game not one player. AB has scored in a knockout game vs NZ and took his team to an excellent total before rain interrupted and then some poor fielding cost them the match. That's not his fault. His only failure in knockout worth questioning was ICC CT 2013 semis and that can be negotiated as every player has such occassions. Kohli had it in WC semis vs Australia and that's acceptable.

Here the comparison isn't about Stokes and ABD but its about Shakib. So lets stay there only.AB is in different class to Stokes in odis and Stokes still has long way to go in tests.

As for Shakib, he is a superior cricketer overall to Stokes.
 
shaz619 said:
Stick Stokesy in the BD team and I guarantee you he would choke 7.5 times out of 10
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Probably Shazzy. I do admit that he is a choker after seeing what Carlos Brathwaite did to him but everyone gets under pressure sometimes. His game is perfect for the conditions he plays in. And like [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] said, while Shakib ul Hasan may be better, I would have Stokes in my XI 7 days out of 10.
 
There is no doubt that Stokes is very fine allrounder. Many of the neutral fans would have him in playing xi at ease(he might benched Shakib). But honestly he has to play couple of more years to compare with Shakib.
 
Shakib is up there but Stokes is just way ahead as a batsman right now. Look at the way he is toying with 145+ kph bowling. Brutal.
 
Stokes for me, :bow: man whoever is playing against them in semis , please book your ticket in advance :yk
 
stokes can be more destructive but inconsistent. shakib is better now but i feel it will change soon as stokes matures
 
Shakib himself is in poor form, it's not like he always scores those centuries.

Stokes is way ahead. Stokes can even get his team centuries in 70 Ball's, Shakib lacks that firepower.
 
Back to the debate Shakib has performed over a decade and also is a better bowler.

As for batting Shakib is less destructive but more consistent. Stoles is destructive but comparatively less consistent.

Right now stokes is in red hot form. Shakib is going through a rough patch. So I can understand why fans will prefer stokes over Shakib right now
 
Shakib won't survive 20 balls against Australia.

If my team needs 100 of the last 12 overs, I know who I will take in my team.
 
Some people need to watch more cricket. Stokes is one of the top three cricketers in the world. Incredible all-round player.
 
Meh, good knock but he still is cushioned in that line up but narrow minded Stokes fan-girls will worship him even though he's not been consistent like Shakib but does have a big famous choke to his name. Shakib's knock was way way better in the CT and it came when the stakes were high on the back of immense pressure BD were like 44-4
 
Executioner said:
Back to the debate Shakib has performed over a decade and also is a better bowler.

As for batting Shakib is less destructive but more consistent. Stoles is destructive but comparatively less consistent.

Right now stokes is in red hot form. Shakib is going through a rough patch. So I can understand why fans will prefer stokes over Shakib right now
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Exactly, Stokes is world class but to suggest he is better then Shakib is BEYOND moronic. Let's see if he can be consistent for over decade then we will see if he compares.
 
Stokes seems to have a higher ceiling especially when it comes to Batting.But Shakib is proven over years of good work, and has carried Bangladesh to respectable positions even in their weaker phases.

But Stokes plays for Englands greatest ever LOI sides. The circumstances he faces are way more different. If we can see him pull off innings like today again we can THEN put him ahead.
 
Mamoon said:
Some people need to watch more cricket. Stokes is one of the top three cricketers in the world. Incredible all-round player.
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yess u were right about stokes,he is a clutch player and destructive....he is up there with AB and his bowling is top class....i will always prefer a spin all rounder over seam....so for me stokes will do wonders with the bat as he is doing and his bowling will be up there as well..
 
sorry seam all rounder over spin,,,it needs hard work and fitness to be a seam all rounder in modern era...
 
DRsohail said:
yess u were right about stokes,he is a clutch player and destructive....he is up there with AB and his bowling is top class....i will always prefer a spin all rounder over seam....so for me stokes will do wonders with the bat as he is doing and his bowling will be up there as well..
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No he is not. That hasn't been established.
 
Sorry But ,this is an OTT thread & Stokes just showed why the world reveres him !!! Shakib Al Hasan is good but Stokes is a Tier 1 League All Rounder...However,Stokes likes the ball coming onto the bat....His Inn today & 250+ vs Saffers .....So,I wud look to pick a real quality Off Spinner against him !!!! But , In this form I doubt,he'll throw his wkt away that easily.....
 
Well done Geordie Hobbit for sending those Wallabies home!
 
DRsohail said:
yess u were right about stokes,he is a clutch player and destructive....he is up there with AB and his bowling is top class....i will always prefer a spin all rounder over seam....so for me stokes will do wonders with the bat as he is doing and his bowling will be up there as well..
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He needs to improve his control with the ball which should come with age. However, he is already a wicket-taker and can bowl 90+ effortlessly when he is in the zone. If he doesn't contribute with either bat or ball, he does something special in the field.

An incredible talent and a massive loss for NZ, who have much inferior all-rounders like Anderson and Neesham in their team.
 
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