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Ben Stokes WHO? Move out of the way, Shakib Al Hasan has always been THE GREATEST all-rounder

Mamoon said:
He needs to improve his control with the ball which should come with age. However, he is already a wicket-taker and can bowl 90+ effortlessly when he is in the zone. If he doesn't contribute with either bat or ball, he does something special in the field.

An incredible talent and a massive loss for NZ, who have much inferior all-rounders like Anderson and Neesham in their team.
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Not bowled at 90 for a long time. But otherwise agree.
 
Good inning by Stokes.. He is a good player but has a long way to go and should learn to perform more when it matters.
 
Couldn't have played any other way if all wickets falling at the other end.

Brilliant innings so far from Stokes.
 
Mature innings, England would have been 150 all out without him.
 
See what happens when wickets keep falling around you. In the first half of Shakib's career this was a regular occurrence. Butt Sakib did much better than stokes.
If Shakib played such inings people would blamed him for being selfish!
 
Stokes is lucky he is not Pakistani. This is the type of inning Misbah got regularly made a scapegoat for.
 
czar said:
Couldn't have played any other way if all wickets falling at the other end.

Brilliant innings so far from Stokes.
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Shakib had been doing that more than decade for a minnow team where he always played under pressure of his team bundle out for low total
 
idrizzy said:
Agreed. Similar to Sarfraz yesterday - not playing risky cricket. If he's out, England are out for under 200.
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Sarfraz's knock was horrible, was dropped twice. He isn't Captain material, Amir or Fakhar Zaman should be the captain
 
Stokes over rated and he always bats with comfort having power pack batting. If other fails then he also fails. And being white everyone over rates him.
 
Nil Dhumrojal said:
Shakib had been doing that more than decade for a minnow team where he always played under pressure of his team bundle out for low total
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Stokes has a lot of ground to cover. Shakib is still top dog in ODIs.
 
You know you're bad when Azhar is hitting sixes and fours off you.
 
Stokes bowling today has been quite rubbish today. Straying on the leg side and getting for sixes and fours.
 
With a bowling figure of 3.1-0-38-0 in a crucial knockout match, Stokes has once again proved that he isn't someone worth depending in big matches and is nowhere near the tag of "biggest star" of the era.

He is well behind the fab four, Amla, de villiers, Qdk, Warner and Ashwin across all formats.
 
[MENTION=139595]Ab Fan[/MENTION] funny you are talking about delivering in pressure matches and big tournaments n u are praising someone like Amla.
 
Move over Stokes and Shakib. The real greatest all rounder in the world has finally arrived :hafeez2
 
Adil_94 said:
[MENTION=139595]Ab Fan[/MENTION] funny you are talking about delivering in pressure matches and big tournaments n u are praising someone like Amla.
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I never praised Amla for failing in big tournaments and often criticised him for that.However, he is a superior test cricketer to Stokes and just like him not worth dependable in big tournaments or ICC events.

I am criticism for the argument of him as biggest star of era which he is nowhere near.
 
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A blockbuster player and a match winner when everything is going fine and in a straight forward manner.
 
Mamoon said:
He is generally quicker in Tests than he is in ODIs.
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:)))

England Sympathiser.

This guy berated Misbah for playing the same knock in 2011.

Ben CHOKES proved his worth with the bat and ball today at his very best in a high profile contest, it is an insult to even entertain his prowess as a top 2 A/R even Mohammad Hafeez outperformed him today.
 
Stokes lacks consistency

Shakib has played through collapses several time in his career and has come out successful. Stokes has long way to go.

Trust me it took Shakib great strength to get his team above the line in those times.

Anyone can deliver the final punch when your team is in a good position. But when your team is struggling then you have no support. And Shakib had gone through all of that.
 
Executioner said:
Stokes lacks consistency

Shakib has played through collapses several time in his career and has come out successful. Stokes has long way to go.

Trust me it took Shakib great strength to get his team above the line in those times.

Anyone can deliver the final punch when your team is in a good position. But when your team is struggling then you have no support. And Shakib had gone through all of that.
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What happened to shakib's bowling ? He is still good, bet he used to be something else before...
 
shaz619 said:
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England Sympathiser.

This guy berated Misbah for playing the same knock in 2011.

Ben CHOKES proved his worth with the bat and ball today at his very best in a high profile contest, it is an insult to even entertain his prowess as a top 2 A/R even Mohammad Hafeez outperformed him today.
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His bowling obvious lacks consistency, and he is not going to do much when he is defending a total of 200. However, he showed a lot of fight with the bat and was the only reason why England limped to 200 in the first place. All this choker nonsense is baseless. He is the best all-rounder in the world but obviously not a finished article at this point.
 
Mamoon said:
His bowling obvious lacks consistency, and he is not going to do much when he is defending a total of 200. However, he showed a lot of fight with the bat and was the only reason why England limped to 200 in the first place. All this choker nonsense is baseless. He is the best all-rounder in the world but obviously not a finished article at this point.
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Where have you been mate :yk I been trying to locate all your posts after we won :yk3

Best A/R my foot, Ben CHOKES could not get the job done despite the cushion of an oustanding line up it goes back to my point that when the pressure is on this guy can;t do anything, Shakib on the other hand has delivered a lot more consistently over a bigger sample and always finds himself under more pressure then Stokes but the moment things get hard for Chokes he throws in the towel. He batted for 90 minutes and not a single boundary to his name! and then when he came on to bowl Azhar Ali and Hafeez spanked him like this:

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shaz619 said:
Where have you been mate :yk I been trying to locate all your posts after we won :yk3

Best A/R my foot, Ben CHOKES could not get the job done despite the cushion of an oustanding line up it goes back to my point that when the pressure is on this guy can;t do anything, Shakib on the other hand has delivered a lot more consistently over a bigger sample and always finds himself under more pressure then Stokes but the moment things get hard for Chokes he throws in the towel. He batted for 90 minutes and not a single boundary to his name! and then when he came on to bowl Azhar Ali and Hafeez spanked him lik this:

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I was out celebrating with a few friends.
 
sadida97 said:
What happened to shakib's bowling ? He is still good, bet he used to be something else before...
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He was a world class bowler in his early days. However those T20 tourneys perhaps ruined it. He isn't penetrative a bowler anymore.

Perhaps has to do with the nature of the wickets. He is useful when the ball turns. However that's a rarity these days
 
After the match against Australia, English journos were asking Morgan at the presser if Ben Stokes is now the best cricketer in the world. :))
 
Shakib is definitely a better all rounder than Stokes. Hope he stands up tomorrow and shows the world. :kohli
 
Stokes is a class Act with the Bat. Firepower, craft.

Yes He had a bad day today.


I don't think that He is the greatest LOI Cricketer atm.

Bowling average of 38 in Odi's ? I am not convinced.


Still Best Limited Overs Cricketer atm is between Kohli, Smith, Root, Williamson & Starc.


For me it's Kohli followed closely by Starc.


Stokes & Jadega are around the Corner.


If Hasan can win us CT & WC than He will be in the same bracket too.
 
He was part of a collective brain freeze. That shouldn't diminish his talent. Even today he tried to hold the innings together. He never had someone like Mahamadulla at the other end. Not long ago Bang fans were gunning for Shakib's head. If i am right, right after practice match against India.
 
bujhee kom said:
Easily better than Dev, Hadlee and Kallis as an ALL ROUNDER. He is equally good with bat/ball. Dev was a moderate bowler and batsmen - but combined a top player. Khan was a great bowler but a moderate bat.
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Seriously? Did you even bother to check Kallis's stats? Shakib is nowhere close to him mate.
 
Mamoon said:
His bowling obvious lacks consistency, and he is not going to do much when he is defending a total of 200. However, he showed a lot of fight with the bat and was the only reason why England limped to 200 in the first place. All this choker nonsense is baseless. He is the best all-rounder in the world but obviously not a finished article at this point.
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It was flat wicket as Pakistan batting proved he was a deer caught in headlights vs Hassan and was put out of his misery eventually.Candidate for the worse knock of the tournament and this a is a tournament where Hafeez has been batting in all games.
 
Executioner said:
He has played with a weak team on every occassion

Stokes plays for England who has a world class domestic structure
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Shakib has been playing with a strong team and still hasn't done anything in ODIs since last world cup. In fact he's been a dud since 2012 Asia Cup. Before that he was very good
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Shakib has been playing with a strong team and still hasn't done anything in ODIs since last world cup. In fact he's been a dud since 2012 Asia Cup. Before that he was very good
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But he has done well in Tests and T20Is

Do agree that he hasn't done too well in ODIs since 2015.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Stokes and Buttler are the two biggest chokers in the world today!
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Quite easily. They have lost their big games in quite a fashion.

WC 15 virtual QF vs Bangladesh
WT20 2016 vs WI
And they have performed poorly vs Pakistan in CT 17
 
Shakib's the perfect definition of an allrounder. Someone who bowls 10 overs, and doesn't sacrifice batting strength by being in the team. These type of players are really important. Without Shakib, they'd have to play an extra bowler, Shakib's basically worth two players.
 
ads101 said:
Shakib's the perfect definition of an allrounder. Someone who bowls 10 overs, and doesn't sacrifice batting strength by being in the team. These type of players are really important. Without Shakib, they'd have to play an extra bowler, Shakib's basically worth two players.
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Shakib will choke today my prediction
 
JaDed said:
No shazzy babe you created the thread where India was going to thump Bangla bros :P
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Well that was expected was it not :yk3 BD is a 1-2 man team after all, thanks to Allah India got lucky :afridi
 
Shakib is massively overrated in ODIs. He has barely 5 or 6 match winning knocks against top 8 sides.
 
bujhee kom said:
Best proper AR since peak Botham. Kallis was a batsmen and bit-part bowler. Ashwin is a bowler who can bat a bit. Shak is a genuine AR and one of the top 5 Asian cricketers of alltime.
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Kallis a bit-part bowler? Come on..
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Shakib is massively overrated in ODIs. He has barely 5 or 6 match winning knocks against top 8 sides.
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He used to be more of a bowling allrounder in the early days. Infact he was a world class bowler once. Every team used to fear him. These days he doesn't have the penetration as before on such flat tracks
 
So, Stokes plays a Misbah like inning and he gets praises. LOL

Stokes tuk tuk ensured England reached a mighty 210, as if it was a match-saving score. LOL

When you are hit for 6 by Azhar Ali in ODIs, then you must be a terrible ODI bowler.
 
haha [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] your boy did the chokey chokey chokey samba dance today as well :))
 
This test match showed why Shakib is a superior allrounder to Stokes.

Since 2014 Shakib's difference between batting and bowling average was +15 while for stokes it was negative.

Stokes at his best is much better than shakib as a batsman. But Shakib is vastly consistent despite his limited ability.

As a bowler Stokes is pretty ordinary.
 
Stokes is ATG in making(the potential he posses)

The same SA he destroy Last year in their den .he is just having rough patch
 
saeed5646 said:
Stokes is ATG in making(the potential he posses)

The same SA he destroy Last year in their den .he is just having rough patch
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To be an all-time great, your skills needs to back up your attitude. Does he work hard? YES. Is he a good player? YES! Does he back up his attitude with his skills? Frankly NO - He ain't no Kholi - his attitude is way ahead and far beyond his skills. He made a fool of himself quite often cause he could not back up his "Attitude" with his skills.

Players like Akram, Pointing, Hayden,etc all had massive attitude - but had the skills to back up their attitude.
Couple of years back, Flintoff was a GREAT Player for ENG but honestly would you really call him an all-time great? Unfortunately same applies for Shakib -not because of his skills or stats - but for the country he represents which is why he will never be looked at as an ATG after he retires.
 
light said:
To be an all-time great, your skills needs to back up your attitude. Does he work hard? YES. Is he a good player? YES! Does he back up his attitude with his skills? Frankly NO - He ain't no Kholi - his attitude is way ahead and far beyond his skills. He made a fool of himself quite often cause he could not back up his "Attitude" with his skills.

Players like Akram, Pointing, Hayden,etc all had massive attitude - but had the skills to back up their attitude.
Couple of years back, Flintoff was a GREAT Player for ENG but honestly would you really call him an all-time great? Unfortunately same applies for Shakib -not because of his skills or stats - but for the country he represents which is why he will never be looked at as an ATG after he retires.
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By the end of his career Shakib will probably have taken his team to around 5-6 rank in LoIIs and 6/7 in tests, from no. 10 rank(this was during his debut)

Definitely will be labelled as a legend if he continues on his merry way. Has the stats and has been bossing the rankings.
 
bujhee kom said:
Best proper AR since peak Botham. Kallis was a batsmen and bit-part bowler. Ashwin is a bowler who can bat a bit. Shak is a genuine AR and one of the top 5 Asian cricketers of alltime.
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Shak is better than Kallis?? Lol. What about the fact that Kallis averages 15 more runs per wicket in tests, ad 10 more runs per wicket in ODI's and has a better test bowling average than Shaq to boot...

Shak is better than Stokes but no comparison with Kallis.
 
bujhee kom said:
Easily better than Dev, Hadlee and Kallis as an ALL ROUNDER. He is equally good with bat/ball. Dev was a moderate bowler and batsmen - but combined a top player. Khan was a great bowler but a moderate bat.
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My oh My. We are comparing Shakib to Dev, Hadlee , Kallis and Imran.

Delusional isn't the right word for this comparison. Yes - you are comparing as an ALL ROUNDER. Let me assure you, Shakib should not be mentioned in the same sentence as those legends. This is cricketing blasphemy.

He is not even the best allrounder today. Stokes is better. Matthews is on a par.
 
The Googly said:
My oh My. We are comparing Shakib to Dev, Hadlee , Kallis and Imran.

Delusional isn't the right word for this comparison. Yes - you are comparing as an ALL ROUNDER. Let me assure you, Shakib should not be mentioned in the same sentence as those legends. This is cricketing blasphemy.

He is not even the best allrounder today. Stokes is better. Matthews is on a par.
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Par with Mathews? Mathews is a better batsman but not much of a bowler who averages 52 in ODIs.

Please tell me who is the number one allrounder in ODIs tests and T20IS?
 
Executioner said:
By the end of his career Shakib will probably have taken his team to around 5-6 rank in LoIIs and 6/7 in tests, from no. 10 rank(this was during his debut)

Definitely will be labelled as a legend if he continues on his merry way. Has the stats and has been bossing the rankings.
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I never stated that he doesn't have the balls/attitude or the stats to be an ATG. He is just looked down upon because he plays for Bangladesh. If he played for India or Australia or England, he would have been regarded as one of the top block around, unfortunately he has that Bangladesh tag on him.
 
Executioner said:
Par with Mathews? Mathews is a better batsman but not much of a bowler who averages 52 in ODIs.

Please tell me who is the number one allrounder in ODIs tests and T20IS?
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Shakib is a good player. But please remember that there is a dearth of all rounders today. Shakib is a good player. Stokes is better. Full stop. You are probably right about Mathews. I made the point to indicate that the gap isn't that big.

In summary - Shakib is a good player. He is in the top 3 all rounders today. But that is more due to the lack of genuine all rounders. He is NOT the best all rounder in world cricket. Stokes is. I don't pay attention to the player rankings because Bangladesh play too much cricket at home and not against the top teams regularly enough.

And to compare him in any shape for form to the great allrounders of the past is cricketing blasphemy. It is like comparing a Lada to a Rolls Royce.

Just to prove that I am being balanced, Shakibs knock against Kiwis was a GREAT knock. The guy is talented. However, you have seen the best of him.
 
Shakib's bowling is not good enough any more. He was a better bowler a few years ago. That is why I said that you have seen the best of him.
 
light said:
I never stated that he doesn't have the balls/attitude or the stats to be an ATG. He is just looked down upon because he plays for Bangladesh. If he played for India or Australia or England, he would have been regarded as one of the top block around, unfortunately he has that Bangladesh tag on him.
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I get your point but fans are starting to accept that he is quality
 
The Googly said:
Shakib is a good player. But please remember that there is a dearth of all rounders today. Shakib is a good player. Stokes is better. Full stop. You are probably right about Mathews. I made the point to indicate that the gap isn't that big.

In summary - Shakib is a good player. He is in the top 3 all rounders today. But that is more due to the lack of genuine all rounders. He is NOT the best all rounder in world cricket. Stokes is. I don't pay attention to the player rankings because Bangladesh play too much cricket at home and not against the top teams regularly enough.

And to compare him in any shape for form to the great allrounders of the past is cricketing blasphemy. It is like comparing a Lada to a Rolls Royce.

Just to prove that I am being balanced, Shakibs knock against Kiwis was a GREAT knock. The guy is talented. However, you have seen the best of him.
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Shakib did well against NZ and SL. Both were away tour. Did okay in the Champions trophy.

If you want to say Stokes is better you need to pull up performances. Right now statistically Shakib has better stars in each format ahead of stokes.

The difference between stokes and Shakib is that shakib didn't get half the support stokes gets. Stokes is supported well by Woakes and Moien Ali who too are allrounders. Stokes gives his team the edge.

As a bowler Shakib is better. Stokes isn't penetrative as a bowler. How many five wicket hauls does he have? Shakib has 15+.

As a Batsman stokes has more potential than shakib and on his day he is destructive. But Shakib is vastly more consistent than stokes.

At the end of the day shakib is a batsman who averages 40+ in Tests and has 15 five wicket hauls in his bag. Stokes averages barely 35 with the bat. Not sure about his wicket tally
 
Shakib has played 15 more tests than stokes. And in the meanwhile his average with bat is 8 more, and number of 5 wicket hauls is 15 as opposed to 3 for stokes. However Shakib's average is only 2.5 less than of stokes.

Right now Stokes is only better than Shakib as a fielder.
 
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