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Bhuvneshwar Kumar - Over-rated?

Bhuvi is a superb cricketer with both bowl and bat on green tops.

He would have been even better player than Philander, if he was a South African.
 
Lol @ all the posters that said BK is trash.

BK is an amazing swing bowler with the new ball and when the conditions are good, he is a brilliant bowler. His batting is another major plus and he is a reliable catcher too.

BK will become one of India’s best bowlers by the time he retires. His stats will make him one of the best of his generation from Asia.

Fact is, no one can make the ball talk like BK does with the new ball. He can swing the ball both ways without any change in the release of the ball.

BK should play every match for India unless the pitch is a rank turner and pacers are not needdd at all. One of Top 3 bowlers in Asia at the moment.
 
BK now averages 26.09 in Tests and 36.89 in ODI’s. His economy is 4.89 in ODI’s which is amazing in this era of super roads.

After England series, he will average under 25 for sure.
 
BK is our best bowler and 2nd best player after Kohli overseas. On dead turning tracks in India he should be rested and handled taken care of.. He plays all three formats so no need to play him against WI or SL on dead tracks..
 
troodon said:
Lol @ all the posters that said BK is trash.

BK is an amazing swing bowler with the new ball and when the conditions are good, he is a brilliant bowler. His batting is another major plus and he is a reliable catcher too.

BK will become one of India’s best bowlers by the time he retires. His stats will make him one of the best of his generation from Asia.

Fact is, no one can make the ball talk like BK does with the new ball. He can swing the ball both ways without any change in the release of the ball.

BK should play every match for India unless the pitch is a rank turner and pacers are not needdd at all. One of Top 3 bowlers in Asia at the moment.
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He looked totally avg bowler when pitch was flat and that's reason he mostly plays in helpful condition in test matches for india. I am sure he will keeps learning and will get better but he will be more likely dropped during flat pitches (aus tour) His stats will get better because he mostly plays on green decks.But no doubt he is reliable batsman at 6 or 7.
 
Sam99 said:
He looked totally avg bowler when pitch was flat and that's reason he mostly plays in helpful condition in test matches for india. I am sure he will keeps learning and will get better but he will be more likely dropped during flat pitches (aus tour) His stats will get better because he mostly plays on green decks.But no doubt he is reliable batsman at 6 or 7.
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Aus is a place where only hit the deck super fast bowlers can succeed. You always see Jimmy Anderson struggle in Aus. But the same Jimmy becomes a monster on green tracks.

You need bowlers like Shami, Bumrah, Yadav and Ishsnt in Aus.

In Eng, SA, NZ you need BK in full flow to win matches.
 
troodon said:
Aus is a place where only hit the deck super fast bowlers can succeed. You always see Jimmy Anderson struggle in Aus. But the same Jimmy becomes a monster on green tracks.

You need bowlers like Shami, Bumrah, Yadav and Ishsnt in Aus.

In Eng, SA, NZ you need BK in full flow to win matches.
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Well before this south africa series every pitch looked flat/hit the deck kind of pitches (for me atleast). I am surprised by the amount of help these african pitches had but things will change with time and he won't be as effective as he is today. Still i will play him all rounder any day ahead of useless pandya in test side.
 
Lots of talk on Aussie forums regarding dishing up lively wickets when India tours. In taht case BK is a must. He has to play the Day-Night match the least.
 
Kumar is a pretty good test bowler but an average (at best) ODI bowler. But he is a good utility cricketer, who can bat and field and catch.

I've liked him for a while and in this SA series, I can't believe he was actually dropped.
 
Tests hes done very well.

ODIs he’s performed average - mainly because he experiments a bit too much. Good at the death though.
 
SandyB said:
Lots of talk on Aussie forums regarding dishing up lively wickets when India tours. In taht case BK is a must. He has to play the Day-Night match the least.
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That will be so amazing if Aussie resort to revenge like SA did. We can win something at least.
 
SandyB said:
Lots of talk on Aussie forums regarding dishing up lively wickets when India tours. In taht case BK is a must. He has to play the Day-Night match the least.
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They are stupid if they think lively wickets will work in their favour. Flat bouncy wickets are the way to get us not seamer friendly ones.
 
India playing with just 2 geniune pacers and i guess they will do same in world cup. One of them averages almost 38 and won't run through sides most times until and unless he gets green top. I don't see india going anywhere in worldcup with bhuvi leading the attack and bumrah being alone good bowler.
 
B kumar is most definitely not India's best bowler.First he needs to find a place in this Indian side when they play in Sub continent.All indian bowlers like Shami,Yadav and Ishant are picked ahead of him on typical Sub continent pitches.His "bowling" performance in SA Test series was very Good(nothing more than that).

In Odi's,He is one of the worst New ball bowlers going around.His strike rate is amongst the worst.His death bowling has improved massively since ipl 2016 which will help improve his odi Average(as he will pick wickets in death overs).But,it won't be much of a use if he doesn't provide wickets with new ball.

In CT 2017 match was decided in first 10 overs of an innings.Amir won the match almost singlehandedly by taking wickets of Dhawan,Rohit and Kohli while the likes of bumrah(IMO he was very unlucky in that match) and Kumar failed to provide any wickets with new ball.
 
He is world class as a test bowler while he is bang average in ODIs who can be good on his days in LOIs. Doesn't matter though, his legacy will be defined by how good a test bowler he is.
 
Won't blame him for today's loss but again he is not wicket taker. I can only laugh at people who say he is best from asia in test cricket. Well If you give him condition, pitch then surely he is best in world but sadly in today's generation he will have to bowl on roads in limited over atleast 95% and even green tracks rare in test cricket these days.

His avg almost 38 in odis will get down to max 32 if he gets many fifers against weak batting lineup.
 
Interesting to note, Indian fans defend Kumar's pathetic returns in ODI cricket but bash Amir if he has even one bad game.
 
For me, Kumar is the best bowler to come out of India for a long time.

Kumar and Kohli are the only 2 Indian players worth mentioning in the modern era. The rest of the Indian players are cheap hacks who go to school on their names. If either of the 2 are not playing, India lose - that's how talented they are.
 
R3verse Swing said:
For me, Kumar is the best bowler to come out of India for a long time.

Kumar and Kohli are the only 2 Indian players worth mentioning in the modern era. The rest of the Indian players are cheap hacks who go to school on their names. If either of the 2 are not playing, India lose - that's how talented they are.
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Bumrah is much better than Kumar. He is their only pacer.
 
babajee said:
Bumrah is much better than Kumar. He is their only pacer.
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Kumar is developing. He has a beautiful action, can swing the ball for fun, and right now he is India's most promising Test bowler.

ODI wise, I give him another year or so before he leaves every Indian bowler right now for dust.

This is all my opinion of course.
 
R3verse Swing said:
For me, Kumar is the best bowler to come out of India for a long time.

Kumar and Kohli are the only 2 Indian players worth mentioning in the modern era. The rest of the Indian players are cheap hacks who go to school on their names. If either of the 2 are not playing, India lose - that's how talented they are.
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Rofl 90 wickets in 85 matches and half wickets of tail or came in totally end. It's that team is performing great so he can still get away. Avg of 37 is totally poor be it in any era of ODIs. He will be great when pitch has help for him but looks very avg on flat decks. I can bet he will be pretty ordinary against quality side because quality players can easily play him with new balls on flat decks and in end it can be easy to smack as well.
 
Sam99 said:
Rofl 90 wickets in 85 matches and half wickets of tail or came in totally end. It's that team is performing great so he can still get away. Avg of 37 is totally poor be it in any era of ODIs. He will be great when pitch has help for him but looks very avg on flat decks. I can bet he will be pretty ordinary against quality side because quality players can easily play him with new balls on flat decks and in end it can be easy to smack as well.
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Stats are not everything, and stats do not reveal the context.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Interesting to note, Indian fans defend Kumar's pathetic returns in ODI cricket but bash Amir if he has even one bad game.
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Which Indian fans? Mate! You Pak fans are the ones who keep blasting Amir for all his bad games and you guys are the ones who create threads if 'Aamir is needed anymore in ODIs', what's Amir's contribution in Tests and bla bla! Just for the sake of bumping this post and start an argument about Bhuvi's game, don't generalize indian fans here. As an Indian, I have an utmost respect for Aamir as a bowler and he is the only bowler who can give Kohli a run for his money. And coming to Bhuvi! yes! He has his shortcomings and he may not get wickets in every match, but the duo of Bhuvi and Bumrah is doing wonders for India of late even if either of them goes wicketless! They compliment each other and their success as death bowlers has helped India win many games of late! Bhuvi has transformed volumes in the past 1 year and you are only going to see a better version of him as the days pass by! I personally love Amir's bowling and no I don't bash him for his poor games!
 
Tyler Durden said:
Which Indian fans? Mate! You Pak fans are the ones who keep blasting Amir for all his bad games and you guys are the ones who create threads if 'Aamir is needed anymore in ODIs', what's Amir's contribution in Tests and bla bla! Just for the sake of bumping this post and start an argument about Bhuvi's game, don't generalize indian fans here. As an Indian, I have an utmost respect for Aamir as a bowler and he is the only bowler who can give Kohli a run for his money. And coming to Bhuvi! yes! He has his shortcomings and he may not get wickets in every match, but the duo of Bhuvi and Bumrah is doing wonders for India of late even if either of them goes wicketless! They compliment each other and their success as death bowlers has helped India win many games of late! Bhuvi has transformed volumes in the past 1 year and you are only going to see a better version of him as the days pass by! I personally love Amir's bowling and no I don't bash him for his poor games!
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Great unbiased post mate, I think theres too many fans on both sides here who defend one of their own players by bashing the rivals player just to justify how good their player is and how trash rivals is. I think Pak and India fans alike have inferiority complex after all we are related 😂😂
 
Kashmirilion said:
Great unbiased post mate, I think theres too many fans on both sides here who defend one of their own players by bashing the rivals player just to justify how good their player is and how trash rivals is. I think Pak and India fans alike have inferiority complex after all we are related ����
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I am indian and i started this thread and ofcourse the things i mentioned are real fact that he is very much overrated. He averages 45+ against aus, south africa, england & new zealand in odi cricket.
 
Sam99 said:
I am indian and i started this thread and ofcourse the things i mentioned are real fact that he is very much overrated. He averages 45+ against aus, south africa, england & new zealand in odi cricket.
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I totally agree with that you are saying but my response was at Tyler durden and the points he made regarding amir etc.
 
Tyler Durden said:
Which Indian fans? Mate! You Pak fans are the ones who keep blasting Amir for all his bad games and you guys are the ones who create threads if 'Aamir is needed anymore in ODIs', what's Amir's contribution in Tests and bla bla! Just for the sake of bumping this post and start an argument about Bhuvi's game, don't generalize indian fans here. As an Indian, I have an utmost respect for Aamir as a bowler and he is the only bowler who can give Kohli a run for his money. And coming to Bhuvi! yes! He has his shortcomings and he may not get wickets in every match, but the duo of Bhuvi and Bumrah is doing wonders for India of late even if either of them goes wicketless! They compliment each other and their success as death bowlers has helped India win many games of late! Bhuvi has transformed volumes in the past 1 year and you are only going to see a better version of him as the days pass by! I personally love Amir's bowling and no I don't bash him for his poor games!
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Look around. You'll find plenty of your brethren just waiting to pounce after one bad performance by Amir. You might be the only one who doesn't do that, so fair play to you mate.

Obviously we have more insecure Pakistani fans here who are gleefully bashing their own players day-in day-out. That's more to do with looking cool or finding their garbage favourite players out of the team right now.
 
Savage said:
B kumar is most definitely not India's best bowler.First he needs to find a place in this Indian side when they play in Sub continent.All indian bowlers like Shami,Yadav and Ishant are picked ahead of him on typical Sub continent pitches.His "bowling" performance in SA Test series was very Good(nothing more than that).

In Odi's,He is one of the worst New ball bowlers going around.His strike rate is amongst the worst.His death bowling has improved massively since ipl 2016 which will help improve his odi Average(as he will pick wickets in death overs).But,it won't be much of a use if he doesn't provide wickets with new ball.

In CT 2017 match was decided in first 10 overs of an innings.Amir won the match almost singlehandedly by taking wickets of Dhawan,Rohit and Kohli while the likes of bumrah(IMO he was very unlucky in that match) and Kumar failed to provide any wickets with new ball.
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When was the last time he provided wickets with new ball.Bumrah who doesn't look like new ball bowler but still has done better than kumar with new ball so far.
 
babajee said:
Why is he in the team?
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Not sure. People here just don't talk about him because he is good guy but his odi performance is quite avg. Leggies and bumrah saved him many many times. Now he will pick wickets in end or in next match so he can secure his place in xi.
 
5 overs with new ball,gave 35 runs with Economy of 7 and Picked 0 wicket.

Like I've said before,Kumar is one of the worst new-ball bowler.
 
Savage said:
5 overs with new ball,gave 35 runs with Economy of 7 and Picked 0 wicket.

Like I've said before,Kumar is one of the worst new-ball bowler.
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He looks like he is for sure gonna play world cup 2019 and in world cup most batsman will play him carefully. He isn't a kind of bowler who can run through good batting line up on odi pitches. Alot lucky that other bowlers keep picking wicket so he doesn't have any issue and as far as batting is considered he plays well.
 
Sam99 said:
He looks like he is for sure gonna play world cup 2019 and in world cup most batsman will play him carefully. He isn't a kind of bowler who can run through good batting line up on odi pitches. Alot lucky that other bowlers keep picking wicket so he doesn't have any issue and as far as batting is considered he plays well.
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That's why I feel BK and bumrah won't be enough for india to win the 2019WC.We need 3 proper fast bowlers along with 2 specialist spinners.
 
So Shardul Thakur who was replacement of bhuvi got 4 wickets in 1 match where as bhuvi got 3 wickets in 5 match. Yes bhuvi is still our lead bowler and no one will talk about it when he performs bad.
 
LOL he is not even rated! One of the worst bowler going around. He is good for nothing
 
Fantastic display of bowling today. Just 24 balls and it was T-20, but swung it early and then made it hard later.
 
Buffet said:
Fantastic display of bowling today. Just 24 balls and it was T-20, but swung it early and then made it hard later.
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That was pretty good performance but what i was talking in this thread is about his odi performance when there is no pressure on batsman to hit for every ball bhuvi bowls.
 
Buffet said:
Fantastic display of bowling today. Just 24 balls and it was T-20, but swung it early and then made it hard later.
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According to one guy here , 4-0-24-5 figure is the epitome of cheap wickets on a high scoring , high altitude ground.
 
Well! Where are all the Bhuvi bashers hiding now? Oh yeah! You come alive only when he has an off-day right!
 
Sam99 said:
That was pretty good performance but what i was talking in this thread is about his odi performance when there is no pressure on batsman to hit for every ball bhuvi bowls.
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He doesn't pick up too many wickets in ODI. He picks up in the Test and T-20. Not sure what to make of that.

Anyway, he is very skillful bowler.
 
WengerOut said:
According to one guy here , 4-0-24-5 figure is the epitome of cheap wickets on a high scoring , high altitude ground.
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I wasn't commenting on 24 runs on high scoring ground or his 5 wickets.

I was just commenting on how he bowled. He bowled really well and showed plenty of skills.
 
Buffet said:
I wasn't commenting on 24 runs on high scoring ground or his 5 wickets.

I was just commenting on how he bowled. He bowled really well and showed plenty of skills.
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You mean you actually watched him? You did not just go to Cricinfo and see the stats like some of the experts here? What the hell is this sorcery?
 
Usman Chadda said:
Look around. You'll find plenty of your brethren just waiting to pounce after one bad performance by Amir. You might be the only one who doesn't do that, so fair play to you mate.
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Actually even after "looking around" I couldn't find any Indian posters who "pounce after one bad performance by Amir". Personally I have always rated Amir in LOIs. In Tests I think he doesn't have the endurance to bowl long spells. Needs to strengthen his body if he wants to be successful in Tests.
 
BK swung the ball both ways on this highway pitch and just gave away 24 runs in 4 overs and got 5 wickets.

He is the best bowler with New ball and pretty accurate with old ball.

Haters having hard time accepting the fact.
 
leatherface58 said:
You mean you actually watched him? You did not just go to Cricinfo and see the stats like some of the experts here? What the hell is this sorcery?
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Rarely watch T-20, but I was interested to see some young SA players.
 
Sam99 said:
avg of 26 on green pitches he plays? he is next jimmy andreson for me in test cricket.
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If Kumar can last and do what Jimmy did then Indians should be very happy.
 
Sam99 said:
avg of 26 on green pitches he plays? he is next jimmy andreson for me in test cricket.
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BK was also awesome in Lanka, WI. No green pitches there.

How much does golden boy of Pak average?

BK also played in India and was pretty decent where spinners were the main weapons.
 
troodon said:
BK was also awesome in Lanka, WI. No green pitches there.

How much does golden boy of Pak average?

BK also played in India and was pretty decent where spinners were the main weapons.
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imo you are one of those guys who don't watch cricket just read scoreboard and if it says india, west indies then pitch will be turner or flat track. Bhuvi in test cricket only plays when he has help from pitch. Jimmy atleast plays all matches unlike bhuvi who gets rested (dropped) when pitch is flat road.
 
Congratulations to BK for picking up some wickets. Doesn’t change the fact that he is incredibly over hyped.
 
He is not best bowler in the world but in odis and t20s he can swing the ball at the start of the innings and at the death he can bowl slower balls and yorkers at will.he can bat as well.India didn't have better options than him to look.In test cricket you can seen he is not a direct candidate for playing xi, it depends upon pitch.i think he is contributing more than enough for india to be in playing xi.
 
One bad match .... and he is Over-rated !!!!! One good match .... and he is a Super Star !!!!!! Hmmmmm ........ !!!!!!
 
He should be replaced by mohd shami in odis in tests he is the best swing bowler from asia(in swinging conditions).
Shami and bhuvi are best pacers from asia in tests anyone blabbering against it must bring facts.
 
one of the best swing bowlers of this generations. If he was born in the 90s he would leave Waqar far behind
 
Napa said:
Actually even after "looking around" I couldn't find any Indian posters who "pounce after one bad performance by Amir". Personally I have always rated Amir in LOIs. In Tests I think he doesn't have the endurance to bowl long spells. Needs to strengthen his body if he wants to be successful in Tests.
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You need to get better at 'looking around'
 
babajee said:
Congratulations to BK for picking up some wickets. Doesn’t change the fact that he is incredibly over hyped.
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Overhyped??
He is actually very underrated
Thread discussing Pandya and Faheem touching 1000 posts but the fact is Bhuvi is far better Allrounder than Pandya and Faheem
 
He is a must in tests and T20s but way overrated in ODIs. Can't believe we are benching a 25-average bowler Shami for him in ODIs. Kohli is such an incompetent captain, just can't differentiate formats. Played Rohit in tests, Rahane in ODIs, Pandey in T20Is
 
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Savage said:
That's why I feel BK and bumrah won't be enough for india to win the 2019WC.We need 3 proper fast bowlers along with 2 specialist spinners.
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I think in the first 10 overs especially with the new ball BK could utilise the swing in England and take 2 or 3 quick wickets.
 
backfootpunch said:
I think in the first 10 overs especially with the new ball BK could utilise the swing in England and take 2 or 3 quick wickets.
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England's pitches in odi cricket are total flat. It wont swing or seam unless its overcast condition.
 
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