Bill authorizing parliament to appoint judges ready, PML-N & PPP ready to destroy the institutions!

[WebGuru]

Bill authorizing parliament to appoint judges ready, PML-N & PPP ready to destroy the institutions!

ISLAMABAD: The Parliamentary Committee on Appointment of Judges (PCAJ) has finalised a bill that will give complete authority to parliament to appoint superior court judges instead of the chief justice of Pakistan (CJP).

“The bill has been finalised and it may soon be presented by the government in parliament,” Senator Farooq Naek, who is head of a subcommittee of the PCAJ, told Dawn. He said his committee had completed its report and handed it over to the law minister a couple of months ago.

“The committee has unanimously approved the draft bill and urged the government to present it as a government bill so that it can be passed smoothly,” he said.

Mr Naek said the lawyers’ community had serious reservations over the present modus operandi and wanted all stakeholders, including the government, president, prime minister, judiciary and bars, on board over appointment of judges of superior courts.

At present the CJP enjoys complete authority in the appointment of judges as he nominates new judges and sends their names to the president through the Prime Minister Office for his final nod.

The Pakistan Peoples Party had, under the 18th Amendment, given complete authority to parliament to appoint judges, but the Nawaz Sharif government had, under the 19th Amendment in 2013, given that authority to then chief justice Iftikhar Chaudhry to please him. After that Justice Iftikhar had appointed 108 judges of superior courts.

When contacted, Law Minister Zahid Hamid confirmed that the committee had finalised the draft bill and handed it over to him, but he gave an impression that the government was not in a mood to introduce it in the near future.

The sources said the decision to change the process of judges’ appointment had been taken at a meeting of senior leaders of the PML-N called by ousted prime minister Nawaz Sharif in London on Sept 24.



Source: https://www.dawn.com/news/amp/1361996

 

[WebGuru]

The so called champions of democracy!

 

[Black Zero]

Nothing wrong in it.
Example: usa.

Democracy means rule of people
..it does not mean, rule of army, rule of agencies or of judges.

 

[WebGuru]

All these amendments just to protect a few guys?

 

[WebGuru]

Nothing wrong in it.
Example: usa.

Democracy means rule of people
..it does not mean, rule of army, rule of agencies or of judges.

Oh yea it sounds so cool and fair when you are doing it just after getting disqualified and Panama case verdict. Our judiciary was finally improving and these crooks are derailing the progress again they will appoint their loyals as judges now. Why blame the dictators with uniform and not these dictators without uniform they think democracy means no accountability and no check and balance?

 

[Black Zero]

Oh yea it sounds so cool and fair when you are doing it just after getting disqualified and Panama case verdict. Our judiciary was finally improving and these crooks are derailing the progress again they will appoint their loyals as judges now. Why blame the dictators with uniform and not these dictators without uniform they think democracy means no accountability and no check and balance?

People vote every 5 years.

 

[WebGuru]

People vote every 5 years.

And our very own jamhoori leaders think that means a 5 year license to do all the illegal things without facing any accountability.

 

[Black Zero]

Army has used Judiciary to destabilize civilian governments.

We know how to sack pm, but we cannot sack coas, and we do not know how to sack CJ.

 

[Black Zero]

And our very own jamhoori leaders think that means a 5 year license to do all the illegal things without facing any accountability.

After 5 years, they would have to answer.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

The so called champions of democracy!

That's why I greatly appreciate the founding fathers of India, they put such great checks in place that such a thing isn't possible in India and thus democracy has been growing flourishing since last 70+ years.

 

[WebGuru]

After 5 years, they would have to answer.

So i can kill 14 people injure 90+, make trillions through corruption, bypass the constitution and the people need to wait 5 years?

 

[WebGuru]

That's why I greatly appreciate the founding fathers of India, they put such great checks in place that such a thing isn't possible in India and thus democracy has been growing flourishing since last 70+ years.

Our politicians love dictatorship and they act like civil dictators when in power they just hate dictators in uniform.

 

[Black Zero]

[MENTION=133397]WebGuru[/MENTION]

if we are fine with "Justice Iftikhar had appointed 108 judges of superior courts" and do not trust parliament (two-hoses) then maybe we do not need democracy.

 

[Black Zero]

[MENTION=133397]WebGuru[/MENTION]

if we are fine with "Justice Iftikhar had appointed 108 judges of superior courts" and do not trust parliament (two-hoses) then maybe we do not need democracy.

houses*

 

[WebGuru]

[MENTION=133397]WebGuru[/MENTION]

if we are fine with "Justice Iftikhar had appointed 108 judges of superior courts" and do not trust parliament (two-hoses) then maybe we do not need democracy.

And who came in favor of Justice Iftikhar on road for a long march? All these political leaders including Nawaz and Imran were there and most them were just doing it because they hated Mush not in love of Justice Iftikhar. Our very own Jamhoori Nawaz Sharif returned home from Gujranwala when COAS Kayani called him and let's not even go into debate how many times he tried to derailed so called democracy with his acts the most recent was memogate.

As i always say give me a dictatorship over this fake democracy with no accountability any day of the week and twice on Sunday. I love democracy but not this version where civilians act like dictators and still called jamhoori leaders.

 

[Syed1]

Yeh saanp martial law lagwa ke hi choray ga..

 

[WebGuru]

Yeh saanp martial law lagwa ke hi choray ga..

This is what they want because corruption tag can only be removed this way and they can gain sympathy.

 

[Black Zero]

And who came in favor of Justice Iftikhar on road for a long march? All these political leaders including Nawaz and Imran were there and most them were just doing it because they hated Mush not in love of Justice Iftikhar. Our very own Jamhoori Nawaz Sharif returned home from Gujranwala when COAS Kayani called him and let's not even go into debate how many times he tried to derailed so called democracy with his acts the most recent was memogate.

As i always say give me a dictatorship over this fake democracy with no accountability any day of the week and twice on Sunday. I love democracy but not this version where civilians act like dictators and still called jamhoori leaders.

Well this settles the debate.

Cause imo that worst democracy is still better than best dictatorship.

 

[Syed1]

Well this settles the debate.

Cause imo that worst democracy is still better than best dictatorship.

This is not democracy what we have in Pakistan. This is elected dictatorship or elected monarchy. Definitely not democracy.

 

[j_kazmi]

That's why I greatly appreciate the founding fathers of India, they put such great checks in place that such a thing isn't possible in India and thus democracy has been growing flourishing since last 70+ years.

Like what?

I don’t mean it in an offensive way. I’m just interested in what checks you are referring to.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

Like what?

I don’t mean it in an offensive way. I’m just interested in what checks you are referring to.

If the parliament decides to pass a bill similar to this then the supreme court of India will squash it immediately as it violates the basic structure of the constitution. The separation of power is one of the fundamental principles behind the Indian constitution, in fact recently the Supreme court of India did exactly this when the GOI tried to change the collegium system of appointment of judges and tried to give more power to government when it comes to appoint judges of supreme court.

 

[j_kazmi]

If the parliament decides to pass a bill similar to this then the supreme court of India will squash it immediately as it violates the basic structure of the constitution. The separation of power is one of the fundamental principles behind the Indian constitution, in fact recently the Supreme court of India did exactly this when the GOI tried to change the collegium system of appointment of judges and tried to give more power to government when it comes to appoint judges of supreme court.

Interesting. Thanks

 

[Syed1]

If the parliament decides to pass a bill similar to this then the supreme court of India will squash it immediately as it violates the basic structure of the constitution. The separation of power is one of the fundamental principles behind the Indian constitution, in fact recently the Supreme court of India did exactly this when the GOI tried to change the collegium system of appointment of judges and tried to give more power to government when it comes to appoint judges of supreme court.

We have similar system. Judiciary can squash any law that goes against constitution. Thanks for your concern though.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

We have similar system. Judiciary can squash any law that goes against constitution. Thanks for your concern though.

It doesn't seem to be working by the looks of this thread, btw Supreme court is the custodian and final interpreter of the constitution, don't know if your judiciary has similar kind of power, Supreme court of India is the reason democracy has sustained for so long here, even Indira Gandhi tried and failed in 1976 against the power of supreme court

 

[Syed1]

It doesn't seem to be working by the looks of this thread, btw Supreme court is the custodian and final interpreter of the constitution, don't know if your judiciary has similar kind of power, Supreme court of India is the reason democracy has sustained for so long here, even Indira Gandhi tried and failed in 1976 against the power of supreme court

SC can only quash a bill once it is presented, tabled and voted in. This bill hasn't been passed yet. Our judiciary is sufficiently powerful. In case you missed it they just fired a very, very powerful Prime minister from office not too long ago.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

SC can only quash a bill once it is presented, tabled and voted in. This bill hasn't been passed yet. Our judiciary is sufficiently powerful. In case you missed it they just fired a very, very powerful Prime minister from office not too long ago.

Well good for you then, there shouldn't be anything to worry regarding this bill.

Btw firing a PM isn't a display of power, quashing a constitutional amendment after interpreting that it is against the basic principles of the constitution is real power.

It means the supreme court of India can quash not only those bills which goes against the constitution but even the criteria as to what are the actual principles of the constitution is also decided by the supreme court. Now that's real power, so no matter what the parliament tries to do, if the SC interprets it as going against the basic structure it will get quashed, they cannot even amend the constitution to take away supreme court's power.

 

[Syed1]

Well good for you then, there shouldn't be anything to worry regarding this bill.

Btw firing a PM isn't a display of power, quashing a constitutional amendment after interpreting that it is against the basic principles of the constitution is real power.

It means the supreme court of India can quash not only those bills which goes against the constitution but even the criteria as to what are the actual principles of the constitution is also decided by the supreme court. Now that's real power, so no matter what the parliament tries to do, if the SC interprets it as going against the basic structure it will get quashed, they cannot even amend the constitution to take away supreme court's power.

Yes man India is model democracy. UK and USA developed their democracy by looking at India.

 

[WebGuru]

It doesn't seem to be working by the looks of this thread, btw Supreme court is the custodian and final interpreter of the constitution, don't know if your judiciary has similar kind of power, Supreme court of India is the reason democracy has sustained for so long here, even Indira Gandhi tried and failed in 1976 against the power of supreme court

Our judiciary is getting powerful and improving that is one of the reason these crooks are trying to limit SC powers...

The current most senior SC judge (after CJ) Asif Khosa sent 2 sitting Prime Ministers home in last 6 years (Nawaz Sharif & Yusuf Raza Gillani).

 

[ToeCrusher2]

Yes man India is model democracy. UK and USA developed their democracy by looking at India.

Uk definitely should, they are still bowing in front of an old hag they call the queen

 

[Black Zero]

from Wiki:

The total number of Obama Article III judgeship nominees to be confirmed by the United States Senate is 329, including two justices to the Supreme Court of the United States, 55 judges to the United States Courts of Appeals, 268 judges to the United States district courts, and four judges to the United States Court of International Trade.[2][3] Obama did not make any recess appointments to the federal courts.

 

[WebGuru]

from Wiki:

The total number of Obama Article III judgeship nominees to be confirmed by the United States Senate is 329, including two justices to the Supreme Court of the United States, 55 judges to the United States Courts of Appeals, 268 judges to the United States district courts, and four judges to the United States Court of International Trade.[2][3] Obama did not make any recess appointments to the federal courts.

Obama was disqualified and made billions doing corruption? And Pakistan is an ideal democracy?

 

[Black Zero]

Obama was disqualified and made billions doing corruption? And Pakistan is an ideal democracy?

Disqualified PM is gone.
We have a new PM and both houses functioning.

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

So amusing that we have a 2 party system with PML-N being right/conservative and PPP being left/liberal we'll get judges with similar ideas. As long as judges are appointed for for lifetime it may not be such a bas idea.

 

[WebGuru]

We have a Puppet PM.

fixed

 

[Black Zero]

fixed

cannot disagree here.

however PTI is no different from PMLN and PPP in this aspect.

 

[srh]

So amusing that we have a 2 party system with PML-N being right/conservative and PPP being left/liberal we'll get judges with similar ideas. As long as judges are appointed for for lifetime it may not be such a bas idea.

it is a good idea; not sure why [MENTION=133397]WebGuru[/MENTION] likes the idea of a single person appointing judges instead of parliament (national assembly + senate); absolute power corrupt absolutely

 

[Black Zero]

it is a good idea; not sure why [MENTION=133397]WebGuru[/MENTION] likes the idea of a single person appointing judges instead of parliament (national assembly + senate); absolute power corrupt absolutely

He will appreciate this idea, when PTI will have majority in NA and senate.

 

[WebGuru]

it is a good idea; not sure why [MENTION=133397]WebGuru[/MENTION] likes the idea of a single person appointing judges instead of parliament (national assembly + senate); absolute power corrupt absolutely

He will appreciate this idea, when PTI will have majority in NA and senate.

I guess you guys missed we already saw this formula in action when NAB Chairman and ECP Chairman was appointed.

 

[srh]

I guess you guys missed we already saw this formula in action when NAB Chairman and ECP Chairman was appointed.

dont know what is the formula of their appointment.

But my main point is that only one person should not be making the decision of appointing judges. The method of parliament to appoint judges exist in other democracies like US, Canada etc. If you dont like this method then there can be another method like full bench of Supreme Court to appoint new judges. Point is this should not be controlled by one single person.

 

[WebGuru]

dont know what is the formula of their appointment.

But my main point is that only one person should not be making the decision of appointing judges. The method of parliament to appoint judges exist in other democracies like US, Canada etc. If you dont like this method then there can be another method like full bench of Supreme Court to appoint new judges. Point is this should not be controlled by one single person.

Agree with your second option we can have a full bench of SC to appoint new judges. We are not an ideal democracy like USA or Canada and giving this power to these crooks will only destroy institutions more. Punjab Police is destroyed by CM Shehbaz because IG got no powers and Shehbaz isn't ready for any reforms in police. The point is giving more power to these clowns will only create more mess.

 

[WebGuru]

I am surprised you guys are not even noticing the timing of this bill.

 

[Black Zero]

I guess you guys missed we already saw this formula in action when NAB Chairman and ECP Chairman was appointed.

PTI tried to become leader of the opposition...however PTI failed to agree on candidate (which was their VP)

Last election IK signed off on Najam Sethi as CM Punjab
we should not forget that IK was in love with Justice Fakhruddin

it looks like that all complains would stop only if IK becomes PM.

 

[WebGuru]

PTI tried to become leader of the opposition...however PTI failed to agree on candidate (which was their VP)

Last election IK signed off on Najam Sethi as CM Punjab
we should not forget that IK was in love with Justice Fakhruddin

it looks like that all complains would stop only if IK becomes PM.

FYI Fakhru bhai wasn't PTI candidate it was a name on which PPP and PMLN both agreed and PTI showed no resistance although it was a blunder by them to accept an ECP chairman of that age (although credible) because the guys under him did everything they wanted to do without any issue and he wasn't able to control them. And i am not IK and IK didn't raise this upcoming bill issue yet i am the one raising this issue here so stop derailing the thread like you always do.

 

[Black Zero]

dont know what is the formula of their appointment.

But my main point is that only one person should not be making the decision of appointing judges. The method of parliament to appoint judges exist in other democracies like US, Canada etc. If you dont like this method then there can be another method like full bench of Supreme Court to appoint new judges. Point is this should not be controlled by one single person.

and within few years, a small group of friends will set the direction of state.

Example: Case against CJ Iftikhar Ch was heard by his friend and partner Justice Ramday and we know what happened to that case.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Iqbal was right..jamhooriyat aisi tarz-e-hukumat hai, jisme bandoN ko gina karte hai, taula nahin karte. We need hagiocracy and throw away this demoncrazy which treats the vote of a painduu and an alim as the same.

 

[Black Zero]

Iqbal was right..jamhooriyat aisi tarz-e-hukumat hai, jisme bandoN ko gina karte hai, taula nahin karte. We need hagiocracy and throw away this demoncrazy which treats the vote of a painduu and an alim as the same.

Thats what we have in Pakistan, but we do not tell this to paindus.

 

[Waseem]

Nawaz wants to control EVERYTHING, he just doesn't like any independent institution that can target his highness.
Sharif's declared/undeclared supporters on this thread know very well thatif it was upto him, we would have justice Qayuum types judges everywhere who Sharif or his friend Saif ur Rehman would call and ask for desired punishment for opponents.

I am not gonna post it here again but we still remember Justice Qayuum saying "Tabidaar han Mian sb, tusi jinni kahogay saza de dayangay", Bas Mian sb ne kaya te samjho ho gaya".
So a judge says "He is obedient servant of Nawaz Sharif and would pass judgement that he desires".

Champions of democracy lol!

 

[Alamgeer]

So who shoulc appoint the judges then? Army chief or Imran Khan? In a democracy parliament is soveriegn since its peoples representative body.

 

[saeedhk]

A true example of dictatorship!

 

[Waseem]

So who shoulc appoint the judges then? Army chief or Imran Khan? In a democracy parliament is soveriegn since its peoples representative body.

So you think Nawaz Sharif would appoint a better person as high court judge rather than chief justice who is completely aware of which of his juniors deserve to be promoted? And you honestly think Nawaz Sharif or Zardari would appoint/promote honest people at top who would treat all cases with honesty without pressure??

Isn't this how NAB has been destroyed when Nawaz decided to appoint a retired Major who had corruption cases against himself??? There is this news that Habib Bank is being penalised for hundreds of millions of dollars due to interference from Sharif/other politicians?

Not sure why you had to bring FAUJ in this?

 

[Black Zero]

So you think Nawaz Sharif would appoint a better person as high court judge rather than chief justice who is completely aware of which of his juniors deserve to be promoted? And you honestly think Nawaz Sharif or Zardari would appoint/promote honest people at top who would treat all cases with honesty without pressure??

Isn't this how NAB has been destroyed when Nawaz decided to appoint a retired Major who had corruption cases against himself??? There is this news that Habib Bank is being penalised for hundreds of millions of dollars due to interference from Sharif/other politicians?

Not sure why you had to bring FAUJ in this?

In my company, promotions are decided by 100s of people, and in pakistan one judge is selecting 100s of judges. ( I mentioned above that many judges picked by ch. Iftikhar)
Current system is a dumb joke.

If judges want power and independence, then they should ask that their name to be on ballot to legitimize their power.

I am all for making judges (and also army) accountable to voters.

 

[WebGuru]

In my company, promotions are decided by 100s of people, and in pakistan one judge is selecting 100s of judges. ( I mentioned above that many judges picked by ch. Iftikhar)
Current system is a dumb joke.

If judges want power and independence, then they should ask that their name to be on ballot to legitimize their power.

I am all for making judges (and also army) accountable to voters.

I will always pick lesser of 2 evils and here the PMLN & PPPP are the biggest evils and there is no comparison between them and the judges so it's easy.

 

[Black Zero]

I will always pick lesser of 2 evils and here the PMLN & PPPP are the biggest evils and there is no comparison between them and the judges so it's easy.

You are in fact picking bigger evil by undermining the democracy.
If you have issues with democracy, those can be fixed by good politicians, and with time, these politicians would come.

It will generations, there is no quick fix.
IK is coming next year, and he will quickly learn about his misconceptions.

.

 

[Waseem]

In my company, promotions are decided by 100s of people, and in pakistan one judge is selecting 100s of judges. ( I mentioned above that many judges picked by ch. Iftikhar)
Current system is a dumb joke.

If judges want power and independence, then they should ask that their name to be on ballot to legitimize their power.

I am all for making judges (and also army) accountable to voters.

Let's give powers to group of judges or form a bench. But don't tell me Nawaz Sharif, Zardari or even Imran Khan should be given powers to appoint judges.

Take Police appointments, promotions and powers away from provincial or federal governments and you will see immense improvements overnight in our police.

As if politicising police and all other institutions wasn't enough we want to politicise judiciary? Our judicial system requires massive reforms but politcising is LAST thing we need.

 

[WebGuru]

IK is coming next year, and he will quickly learn about his misconceptions.

.

How quickly you change your views and predictions? Last i heard u wasn't even giving him 6 seats from KP and according to you people of Punjab already sent the panama verdict to trash through NA120 by elections.

 

[WebGuru]

Let's give powers to group of judges or form a bench. But don't tell me Nawaz Sharif, Zardari or even Imran Khan should be given powers to appoint judges.

Take Police appointments, promotions and powers away from provincial or federal governments and you will see immense improvements overnight in our police.

As if politicising police and all other institutions wasn't enough we want to politicise judiciary? Our judicial system requires massive reforms but politcising is LAST thing we need.

He probably thinks we are living in an ideal democracy so we should follow USA and Canada examples.

 

[Black Zero]

How quickly you change your views and predictions? Last i heard u wasn't even giving him 6 seats from KP and according to you people of Punjab already sent the panama verdict to trash through NA120 by elections.

Who cares about KP, when you got punjab.

(And I was giving 6 seats)

 

[WebGuru]

Who cares about KP, when you got punjab.

(And I was giving 6 seats)

Ok so people after trashing the Panama verdict (according to you) are going to ditch Nawaz & Maryam and are going to vote for Imran?

 

[Black Zero]

Let's give powers to group of judges or form a bench. But don't tell me Nawaz Sharif, Zardari or even Imran Khan should be given powers to appoint judges.

Take Police appointments, promotions and powers away from provincial or federal governments and you will see immense improvements overnight in our police.

As if politicising police and all other institutions wasn't enough we want to politicise judiciary? Our judicial system requires massive reforms but politcising is LAST thing we need.

These officials need to draw/legitimize their power/authority from somewhere, and in democracy citizens are that source.

Otherwise it's a dictatorship/oligarchy.
May be there should be one last referendum in pakistan where citizen decide that they are not capable amd would prefer dictatotship.

 

[Black Zero]

Ok so people after trashing the Panama verdict (according to you) are going to ditch Nawaz & Maryam and are going to vote for Imran?

Imo:
The seats where pmln did not get 50%+ votes in 2013, pti will likely win.
Pmln vote bank will also increase, but not more than few points.

Basically pti is much better shape in punjab.

KP, it's a different story.

 

[WebGuru]

These officials need to draw/legitimize their power/authority from somewhere, and in democracy citizens are that source.

Otherwise it's a dictatorship/oligarchy.
May be there should be one last referendum in pakistan where citizen decide that they are not capable amd would prefer dictatotship.

In KP people voted for PTI and still PTI govt have given full power to IG Police instead of CM. Check and read about the Police reforms there it's doing wonders while in Punjab you can't even transfer a District Police officer without CM approval.

 

[Waseem]

He probably thinks we are living in an ideal democracy so we should follow USA and Canada examples.

Powers Europe wali democracy wali chahyie, accountability Nigeria wali chahyie.

 

[WebGuru]

Powers Europe wali democracy wali chahyie, accountability Nigeria wali chahyie.

haha true!

 

[Black Zero]

In KP people voted for PTI and still PTI govt have given full power to IG Police instead of CM. Check and read about the Police reforms there it's doing wonders while in Punjab you can't even transfer a District Police officer without CM approval.

Everyone praising pti for these police reforms.
Punjab should copy this, otherwise ppl will bring new cm.

 

[WebGuru]

Everyone praising pti for these police reforms.
Punjab should copy this, otherwise ppl will bring new cm.

These reforms were only possible once the politicians gave up their powers.

 

[Alamgeer]

Parliament already have a say in the appointment of judges of courts. Supreme judicial commission and parliamentary committee both decide the names for judges. If this procedure is being made more transparent and fair then no harm. In every democratic system parliaments have big share in the appoint of judges. Imran khan and his fans often talk about democratic practices of west but in Pakistan they advocate only those which favor them.

 

[JaDed]

Powers Europe wali democracy wali chahyie, accountability Nigeria wali chahyie.

Good one

 

[Black Zero]

These reforms were only possible once the politicians gave up their powers.

Who appointed IG?

As per below, assembey crafted a procedure where CM got the authority to pick one out of three names.



PESHAWAR: The Select Committee of the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Assembly on draft KP Police Bill, 2016, has worked out a procedure for appointment of the inspector general of police in the province.

Under the procedure, the federal government will send a list of three probables to the province, wherein the chief minister will select one amongst the suitables for onward appointment as police chief of the province.

Chief Minister Pervez Khattak chaired the meeting held here the other day. Provincial ministers, leader of the opposition in the KP Assembly and MPAs from both the treasury and opposition benches attended the meeting. The participants, after threadbare discussions, took a number of decisions to bring amendments to the draft KP Police Bill, 2016.

The committee proposed the separation of forensic lab, and establishment of separate independent forensic lab authority free of any political influence.

 

[WebGuru]

Who appointed IG?

As per below, assembey crafted a procedure where CM got the authority to pick one out of three names.



PESHAWAR: The Select Committee of the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Assembly on draft KP Police Bill, 2016, has worked out a procedure for appointment of the inspector general of police in the province.

Under the procedure, the federal government will send a list of three probables to the province, wherein the chief minister will select one amongst the suitables for onward appointment as police chief of the province.

Chief Minister Pervez Khattak chaired the meeting held here the other day. Provincial ministers, leader of the opposition in the KP Assembly and MPAs from both the treasury and opposition benches attended the meeting. The participants, after threadbare discussions, took a number of decisions to bring amendments to the draft KP Police Bill, 2016.

The committee proposed the separation of forensic lab, and establishment of separate independent forensic lab authority free of any political influence.

I was saying CM gave up his powers to IG their instead of doing all the transfers and interfering in everything related to Police like CM in Punjab and Sindh do

 

[Black Zero]

I was saying CM gave up his powers to IG their instead of doing all the transfers and interfering in everything related to Police like CM in Punjab and Sindh do

So appointment wise it's still CM, which is relevant to the thread..
Regarding other powers please share the bill number that transfered the powet from cm to IG, ofcourse for my benefit. Thanks.

 

[WebGuru]

So appointment wise it's still CM, which is relevant to the thread..
Regarding other powers please share the bill number that transfered the powet from cm to IG, ofcourse for my benefit. Thanks.

THE recently promulgated Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Police Ordinance, 2016 (KPPO) is a landmark achievement of the KP government, its IGP Nasir Durrani and his team. It builds on Police Order, 2002 (PO 2002), which came about through the stellar efforts of police leaders such as Shoaib Suddle, Zulfiqar Qureshi and Afzal Shigri.

The KP chief minister deserves accolades for ‘granting’ his own powers to post/transfer senior police officers to the IGP. This is extraordinary in our otherwise highly centralised culture of governance. By doing so, the chief minister has placed himself in a stronger moral position to hold police accountable from the top.

The KPPO gives the IGP legal powers to resist political interference in transfer and posting of police officers and undertake these tasks independently. The IGP has also been given the powers to promote officers up to the rank of DSP with the help of his team. These powers will help align the police with its commander who can now be legitimately held accountable for posting or promoting inefficient or undeserving officers. The excuse of ‘political interference’ to justify the posting or promotion of inefficient police officers in the province will no longer be available.

Source: https://www.dawn.com/news/1282269

 

[the Great Khan]

so Pakistan is a parliamentary democracy just like britain and India. In a parliamentary system that we follow the assembly does not select the judges. This is one of the key checks and balances to prevent stupid laws from going through the assembly. If you mess with this aspect you destroy the system.

 

[Pakpak]

There is a Zardari interview online, where he says it blatantly that ''NAB ke chairman ki jurrat hamaray ya PMLN ke khilaaf kuch kahay? Uun jaisay logon ki auqat hee kya hai ke kuch kar sakein woh''.

This is the state of instituions in our country.

 

[WebGuru]

There is a Zardari interview online, where he says it blatantly that ''NAB ke chairman ki jurrat hamaray ya PMLN ke khilaaf kuch kahay? Uun jaisay logon ki auqat hee kya hai ke kuch kar sakein woh''.

This is the state of instituions in our country.

Jamhuryat ka husan as they say...

 

[Black Zero]

Source: https://www.dawn.com/news/1282269

Good for KP that police department got indepence up to DSP. It's just a start, however you would accept, SP, SSP, DIG and IG, all are appointed by politicians.

 

[Waseem]

There is a Zardari interview online, where he says it blatantly that ''NAB ke chairman ki jurrat hamaray ya PMLN ke khilaaf kuch kahay? Uun jaisay logon ki auqat hee kya hai ke kuch kar sakein woh''.

This is the state of instituions in our country.

Exactly! Not sure where these champions of democracy go and hide when so called democrats like Zardari and Nawaz threaten and insult institutions. Even Nawaz Sharif threatened NAB to stay within limits when they were investigating some case against his friend and this is toothless NAB that does absolutely nothing, imagine if it was independent??

 

[Syed1]

Exactly! Not sure where these champions of democracy go and hide when so called democrats like Zardari and Nawaz threaten and insult institutions. Even Nawaz Sharif threatened NAB to stay within limits when they were investigating some case against his friend and this is toothless NAB that does absolutely nothing, imagine if it was independent??

But but but big bad army is against jamhoriat

 

[the Great Khan]

There is a Zardari interview online, where he says it blatantly that ''NAB ke chairman ki jurrat hamaray ya PMLN ke khilaaf kuch kahay? Uun jaisay logon ki auqat hee kya hai ke kuch kar sakein woh''.

This is the state of instituions in our country.

the irony of him using the word aukat. What a pathetic individual.

 

[saeedhk]

Rumours floating of property tycoon Malik Riaz playing a key role in the appointment of new NAB chief after he assured PML-N and PPP that he (the NAB chief) would always stay loyal to them.
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[Syed1]

Rumours floating of property tycoon Malik Riaz playing a key role in the appointment of new NAB chief after he assured PML-N and PPP that he (the NAB chief) would always stay loyal to them.
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But Imran Khan is fasadi and is using the army's help just to be PM