Bits and pieces cricketers do not work

[Wasim_Waqar]

Simple as that. Not for World Cups, especially in England.

Mohammad Hafeez and Shoaib Malik barely even bowl. As batsmen their track record in foreign conditions is shaky to say the least.

Haris Sohail needs to be fit for us to have a chance of getting through the group. We have 5 ODIs and 2 warm
ups in England. I would really want to see Saud Shakeel given a chance in those games to see what we can do. Haris can use some of those games to comeback.

I also think we need another spinner as I do not want Shadab to get bowled into the ground before the World Cup. Any suggestions as to who this should be would be welcome.

I think we need another right arm pacemen around; suggestions are welcome. Ideally someone quick!

I would feel a lot more comfortable if we had an XI something like below (unlikely as it is and I do appreciate Hafeez and Malik for occasional contributions and their mentoring role):

Fakhar, Imam/Shan, Babar, Haris, Saud, Sarfaraz, Imad, Shadab, Hassan, Shaheen, Amir/Junaid /Usman.

It has more of a solid look to it.

Bits and pieces can get you only so far but they do not win World Cups in England.

 

[Chokli]

In a perfect world -

1.Imam Ul Haq
2.Fakhar Zaman
3.Babar Azam
4.Shan Masood
5.Haris Sohail
6.Umar Akmal (wk) (if he was fit and water didn't make him gain weight)
7.Imad Wasim
8.Shadab Khan
9.Hasan Ali
10.Junaid Khan
11.Shaheen Afridi

 

[ali2220]

Then get rid of bits and pieces coach in mickey first.He was reluctant to play genuine spinner in UAE, result is for everyone to see.Ind,Afgha,Bangla all have better spin attack than Pak in onedayers.

 

[LegendAli]

In a perfect world -

1.Imam Ul Haq
2.Fakhar Zaman
3.Babar Azam
4.Shan Masood
5.Haris Sohail
6.Umar Akmal (wk) (if he was fit and water didn't make him gain weight)
7.Imad Wasim
8.Shadab Khan
9.Hasan Ali
10.Junaid Khan
11.Shaheen Afridi

Replace Imad with Hafeez though if the latter can keep up his recent form.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

[MENTION=5404]Wasim_Waqar[/MENTION] ,

I really think one of Zafar Gohar or Mohammad Ashgar should be tried in ODI and Tests. Both are quality, specialist SLA bowlers who turn the ball sharply and have great domestic and List A stats. Zafar in particular can also bat.decent and fields really well.

Also Mohammad Irfan is a leg spinner who also has an excellent record and he's performed for the A team - but he's already 29. The first two are preferred due to being younger.

As for batsmen, Haris is a must. Saud should also be there, and Also I'd like Saad Ali to also be tried. If they have a good PSL they can come in.

 

[Sunny_majoka]

our middle order is fragile .
our team heavily relay on top order.
so we should find a way to induct haris sohail in this team.

 

[shaaik]

Too many bits and pieces players in this team today, let's see how they fare today ..

 

[Zaz]

A blind man can see theres just not enough batsmen in pakistans limited overs team

Theres at least 2 too many bits n pieces players playing

Todays game you had only fakhar n babar azam as sole specialist bats Asif ali cant bat, Malik, talat shadab, imad and faheem are all rounders Rizwan the keeper Its stupidity of the highest order

Why have they not been trying out more batsmen??

 

[Markhor]

I've shouted myself hoarse on this subject in the last 6 months.

I'm fed up seeing pseudo allrounders who can't win matches in either department be given game after game, while better specialists sit at home.

Can anyone really tell me Zafar Gohar is a worse spinner than Shadab Khan ? Or that there aren't better seamers in the country than Fahim Ashraf ?

By doing so many bits and pieces, we lose strength in BOTH batting and bowling.

 

[MRSN]

Amazing how this Faheem guy and Talat gets hyped here.

 

[Rayyman]

I've shouted myself hoarse on this subject in the last 6 months.

I'm fed up seeing pseudo allrounders who can't win matches in either department be given game after game, while better specialists sit at home.

Can anyone really tell me Zafar Gohar is a worse spinner than Shadab Khan ? Or that there aren't better seamers in the country than Fahim Ashraf ?

By doing so many bits and pieces, we lose strength in BOTH batting and bowling.

Faheem was highest wicket taker in PSL last year

 

[Zaz]

Faheem was highest wicket taker in PSL last year

Maybe he needs to stick to that level then cos he clearly isnt good enough to play intnl cricket at the moment

 

[Markhor]

Faheem was highest wicket taker in PSL last year

What's he done in internationals ? Averages over 60 with the ball against top teams in ODIs !

Also, we need to stop hyping PSL and using it as a selection criteria for ODIs. T20s fine, but it is a mediocre league especially in terms of batting quality.

 

[MRSN]

Faheem was highest wicket taker in PSL last year

PSL is not a benchmark because it lacks quality.

 

[Hasan123]

If an all rounder doesn't make the team as specialist batter or bowler, you don't select them. Shadab wouldn't be playing if he didn't have the potential with the bat.

 

[arehaan]

Faheem has been big disappointment on this tour. Good fight by the team but should have never conceded so many we did not bowl well.

 

[Plumb]

Don't Worry....Asif Ali will win us the WC19

 

[Rayyman]

Maybe he needs to stick to that level then cos he clearly isnt good enough to play intnl cricket at the moment

What's he done in internationals ? Averages over 60 with the ball against top teams in ODIs !

Also, we need to stop hyping PSL and using it as a selection criteria for ODIs. T20s fine, but it is a mediocre league especially in terms of batting quality.

PSL is not a benchmark because it lacks quality.

What I'm saying is that he has outperformed everybody in the premier domestic T20 competition. The people you want to replace him, have done even worse.

 

[Markhor]

PSL is not a benchmark because it lacks quality.

To be honest PSL is a mediocre league. Bar Sharjeel, Fakhar and Hasan Ali (who all had strong domestic records anyway), the players produced from it have been exposed in internationals.

I cannot believe how people are hyping it up on a par with IPL. The batting standards are appalling with a huge gulf in quality between the foreign and local players. The top run scorers of each edition of PSL (U Akmal, K Akmal and 37 yr old Ronchi) shows the true quality of this second rate competition.

The bowling standards are better, especially in the spin department, but it's UAE so spinners dominate anyway. Plus they are bowling to pathetic Pakistani batsmen.

 

[Syed1]

Talat's innings killed the game. However, there were too many bits and pieces players in the side.


Don't know when the Asif Ali experiment will end, been a year and all he does is hit a monstrous six and then goes back to the pavilion. This is not gully cricket where you only have to play 6 overs and can afford to be six and out.

 

[Madplayer]

Hasan Ali is the real hard hitting bowling all rounder.

 

[Syed1]

To be honest PSL is a mediocre league. Bar Sharjeel, Fakhar and Hasan Ali (who all had strong domestic records anyway), the players produced from it have been exposed in internationals.

I cannot believe how people are hyping it up on a par with IPL. The batting standards are appalling with a huge gulf in quality between the foreign and local players. The top run scorers of each edition of PSL (U Akmal, K Akmal and 37 yr old Ronchi) shows the true quality of this second rate competition.

The bowling standards are better, especially in the spin department, but it's UAE so spinners dominate anyway. Plus they are bowling to pathetic Pakistani batsmen.

It's not the PSL's fault that the chief selector just picks players based on their performance in the PSL without seeing prior records.

 

[Plumb]

Hasan Ali is the real hard hitting bowling all rounder.

I rate Hasan Ali hitting 10X better than the hack Asif

 

[Markhor]

It's not the PSL's fault that the chief selector just picks players based on their performance in the PSL without seeing prior records.

The fans have supported these PSL players the chief selector has called up.

 

[Madplayer]

I rate Hasan Ali hitting 10X better than the hack Asif

Seriouslt impressed by his hitting. Cant blame him for the slogs today because he had barely an over left after that ball. But if he learns how to curb his aggressive instinct, i think he can become a valuable hitter down the order. Maybe even at number 7.

 

[Greenstorm]

I've shouted myself hoarse on this subject in the last 6 months.

I'm fed up seeing pseudo allrounders who can't win matches in either department be given game after game, while better specialists sit at home.

Can anyone really tell me Zafar Gohar is a worse spinner than Shadab Khan ? Or that there aren't better seamers in the country than Fahim Ashraf ?

By doing so many bits and pieces, we lose strength in BOTH batting and bowling.

Zafar Gohar will be termed bits and pieces as well. He can also bat.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Pakistan played well in last 5 overs of South Africa innings to restrict them to 192.

The freak run out of Babar was the reason they lost the match otherwise they would have been home comfortable and happy.

Despite South Africa bowling their thumbs out after Babar's departure, South Africa only won by 6 runs or rather one hit beyond the fence.

Pakistan should win the next two T20I if they chase like they did today.

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

Thanks for replies but my focus is the World Cup rather than t20.

 

[waqar goraya]

"Adha teetar adha bataer".

I believe in T20 cricket you can afford a couple. Imad, for example can hit the ball well at number 7-8 and bowl very well with the new ball also to kill the early momentum.

It's the one days where bits and pieces don't work. For example Faheem Ashraf is not a good enough batsman for One Days.

 

[waqar goraya]

Thanks for replies but my focus is the World Cup rather than t20.

As i mentioned in the above post, bits and pieces should be restricted to the T20s.

Pakistan team management and selectors are doing very poor at judging the utility of their players. We have seen Shadab playing over Yasir in a test match. Asif Ali as a specialist batsman at number 6 in ODIs.
Who considers Faheem Ashraf an all rounder? Initially, it looked as if he had some potential with the bat but now his batting skills have been exposed.

 

[DRsohail]

[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] this is how these foreign coaches do more damage, now Micky previously it was Woolmer. They love alrounders for the sake of it.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

I've shouted myself hoarse on this subject in the last 6 months.

I'm fed up seeing pseudo allrounders who can't win matches in either department be given game after game, while better specialists sit at home.

Can anyone really tell me Zafar Gohar is a worse spinner than Shadab Khan ? Or that there aren't better seamers in the country than Fahim Ashraf ?

By doing so many bits and pieces, we lose strength in BOTH batting and bowling.

Agreed. Time to make changes. Shadab and Faheem are not delivering at all.

 

[Destroyer88]

Faheem (next coming of abdul razzaq)i believe has been given enough chances. He is shoet of confidence. Looks like a net bowler during matches, no aggression no positivety.

Hussain talat is hit n miss. Though he did score 40 runs but didnt look convincing at all. Bowling is better not spoken off

Asif ali, i just cant seem to understamd on him constantly being picked up. Ypu play 1 down or last man. Result will remain the same.

Shadab has lately been dissappointing. Its.only his fielding that has been consistent.

 

[Pete Rose]

Malik and Hafeez are pretty much the biggest bits and pieces cricketers

 

[KyoOne]

Simple as that. Not for World Cups, especially in England.

Mohammad Hafeez and Shoaib Malik barely even bowl. As batsmen their track record in foreign conditions is shaky to say the least.

Haris Sohail needs to be fit for us to have a chance of getting through the group. We have 5 ODIs and 2 warm
ups in England. I would really want to see Saud Shakeel given a chance in those games to see what we can do. Haris can use some of those games to comeback.

I also think we need another spinner as I do not want Shadab to get bowled into the ground before the World Cup. Any suggestions as to who this should be would be welcome.

I think we need another right arm pacemen around; suggestions are welcome. Ideally someone quick!

I would feel a lot more comfortable if we had an XI something like below (unlikely as it is and I do appreciate Hafeez and Malik for occasional contributions and their mentoring role):

Fakhar, Imam/Shan, Babar, Haris, Saud, Sarfaraz, Imad, Shadab, Hassan, Shaheen, Amir/Junaid /Usman.

It has more of a solid look to it.

Bits and pieces can get you only so far but they do not win World Cups in England.

Zafar Gohar has far superior bowling and batting skills over Shadab. Is pretty young as well. Shadab's wrong-un hardly ever troubled Saffers, who were beyond terrible against wrist-spin of India last year, plus he does not turn the ball enough to trouble top batsmen.

Hafeez does bowl more often when Pakistan plays one spinner less, and he still can be effective with his offspin as he's shown recently.

Just one change to your suggested line-up. I personally would go for Hafeez over Shadab for the world cup (being in England), with Imad, Hafeez, Haris and Shan making up 20 overs of slow/medium-pace bowling.

If this formula doesnt work, we should have Zafar Gohar in the squad to replace whichever spinner from Imad/Hafeez isn't effective.

Fakhar, Shan, Babar, Haris, Saud, Hafeez, Sarfaraz(c), Imad/Zafar, Hassan, Shaheen, Amir/Junaid.

Usman Shinwari/Saad Ali on the bench.

 

[saeedhk]

Faheem, Talat, Sarfraz,Amir, Rizwan are liabilities.

 

[MRSN]

To be honest PSL is a mediocre league. Bar Sharjeel, Fakhar and Hasan Ali (who all had strong domestic records anyway), the players produced from it have been exposed in internationals.

I cannot believe how people are hyping it up on a par with IPL. The batting standards are appalling with a huge gulf in quality between the foreign and local players. The top run scorers of each edition of PSL (U Akmal, K Akmal and 37 yr old Ronchi) shows the true quality of this second rate competition.

The bowling standards are better, especially in the spin department, but it's UAE so spinners dominate anyway. Plus they are bowling to pathetic Pakistani batsmen.

Agreed. PSL shouldn't be the only benchmark. Look at Shan Masood this guy didn't play any PSL game and yet he was looking 2nd best batsman in test series.

Problems is selectors are too lazy to monitor domestic games so PSL being televised live and media, fans hyping x,y PSL performers makes their job easier.

 

[MRSN]

Faheem, Talat, Sarfraz,Amir, Rizwan are liabilities.

They have been liabilities but why selectors presists with this mediocrity instead of trying new players?

 

[MRSN]

The fans have supported these PSL players the chief selector has called up.

Exactly. M Nawaz becomes unplayable but once he faces Int. Cricket teams he looks no better than an ordinary darter. This is the standards of PSL.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Bits and pieces never work in any format except maybe T20 cricket. Just look at how pathetic England have been in the Caribbean with their so called all-rounders.