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BJP claim victory in Bihar

Laloo returning in Bihar is a shame on Bihari voters.

Nitish may well end up cursing the day he went in for an alliance with Lalu.

He probably would have won single handedly, had he gone it alone. Now Lalu will never allow him do his job properly.

Lalu as 'king maker' will be a lot worse than he was as 'king'.
 
This shows why Bihar is what it is today. Secular in Bihar means , I vote for my caste irrespective of what he had done to us.

Laloo returning in Bihar is a shame on Bihari voters.

The moment you get friendly with a Bihari (there are exceptions), you will be asked..so which caste you belong to? Even Biharis who have removed their surnames to get over caste, have to face this question. But all is hunky dory in Bihar now, as the "seculars" have won.
 
The moment you get friendly with a Bihari (there are exceptions), you will be asked..so which caste you belong to? Even Biharis who have removed their surnames to get over caste, have to face this question. But all is hunky dory in Bihar now, as the "seculars" have won.

Not a single Bihari friend of mine has asked that so don't stereotype.
 
Why would you have Bihari friends, aren't you a Punjabi living in southern India

Did my college in Bangalore,most students in the hostel were from Bihar including one of my roomie.Are you thinking people of India don't move around?
 
You forgot to read the exceptions part.

I think the exceptions are the ones who ask just randomly for caste,most friends i have were from Bihar and few from Jharkhand no one asks such questions.How was your opinion formed based on how many Biharis you encountered and what was their average age,most i knew were my age or +-3
 
I think the exceptions are the ones who ask just randomly for caste,most friends i have were from Bihar and few from Jharkhand no one asks such questions.How was your opinion formed based on how many Biharis you encountered and what was their average age,most i knew were my age or +-3

Ok my secular and liberal intellectual friend. Your few friends are true representatives. I withdraw my statement in their honour.
 
Did my college in Bangalore,most students in the hostel were from Bihar including one of my roomie.Are you thinking people of India don't move around?

Didn't know you were in Bangalore, I assumed Chennai, which looks (I'm not sure) less cosmopolitan than other urban centres like Mumbai or New Delhi. Found surprising that you'd meet lots of Biharis there (thought they'd go to New Delhi for education.)
 
Bihar voted for Bjp in loksabha elections and they have voted for local leaders in state elections just like Delhi people did. I don't find this surprising at all. Bjp will face defeat even in UP. Unless you have strong leaders in state, you will struggle to get votes when it comes to state elections. Maharashtra is different since the elections happened very soon after loksabha elections. Modi wave just defeated everyone..
 
Didn't know you were in Bangalore, I assumed Chennai, which looks (I'm not sure) less cosmopolitan than other urban centres like Mumbai or New Delhi. Found surprising that you'd meet lots of Biharis there (thought they'd go to New Delhi for education.)

Most Bihari students have to go out of their state for graduation as the colleges in Bihar aren't that good also i'm from Chennai i did my schooling there but did my graduation in Bangalore(which is cosmopolitan with people from all around India).
And you are right Chennai is comparatively less cosmopolitan but things are changing now lot of difference compared to the 90's.
 
Most Bihari students have to go out of their state for graduation as the colleges in Bihar aren't that good also i'm from Chennai i did my schooling there but did my graduation in Bangalore(which is cosmopolitan with people from all around India).
And you are right Chennai is comparatively less cosmopolitan but things are changing now lot of difference compared to the 90's.
Bihar is backward in education in industry in everything.The fact that they chose a corrupt convicted guy as their leader shows why.
 
Bihar is backward in education in industry in everything.The fact that they chose a corrupt convicted guy as their leader shows why.

I see parallels between Bihar and Pakistan. Pakistan had the chance to vote for PTI, and Bihar had the chance for BJP. But both failed to rise to the occasion and instead voted for tried and tested corrupt leaders.
 
Bihar is backward in education in industry in everything.The fact that they chose a corrupt convicted guy as their leader shows why.

May be they used to a certain way of backward life just like UP the attitude of "Hum hum hain baki sab Pan kum" kind.But you can't entirely blame them they don't really have great leaders to look upto also BJP didn't even keep Sushil Modi as the CM candidate explains a lot on what was going on in their mind.

There is no visible face among the Bihari leaders other than Lalu,Nitish,Sharad not many independence fighters either which could result in lack of pride.
 
BJP is to be blamed here. They have made political blunders here just like they did in delhi elections. Like in delhi they failed to come up with strong local candidate for elections.

And not to mention t’s been over 18 months in power for the Narendra Modi-led NDA government at the Centre and the people at large seem to be still awaiting the BJP leader’s ‘acche din’ promise to fructify.

Another tactical error Modi made was to make this election his personal referendum rather than the party’s. He made it his personal battle with Nitish Kumar. It did work in the Lok Sabha Election when Modi was the PM candidate. He had cleverly converted the elections into a presidential style battle between him and Rahul Gandhi.

Modi tried to repeat the same model for the Delhi Assembly election, making it Modi versus Kejriwal. It did not work. The results were shocking and totally one-sided in favour of Kejriwal. Had the Delhi Assembly elections been held along with the Lok Sabha elections the outcome might have been different, but because of the time lag people got a glimpse of his style of governance and chose Kejriwal as a balancing act.

Forgetting the Delhi experience, Modi took a huge gamble once again by experimenting with the same model. The prime minister made the battle for Bihar Modi versus Nitish without realising that Nitish is not Rahul. Nitish is a seasoned politician firmly grounded in the politics of the state and knows the Bihari mind very well.

Nitish does not suffer from the anti-incumbency factor. Voters in Bihar, like in Delhi, know that Modi is not the CM candidate and, in any case, he would not have the understanding of Bihar as Nitish/Laloo would. That’s why Nitish’s slogan ‘Bihari versus Bahari’ has been intelligently coined and put to use. Perhaps a Bihari face as CM candidate might have worked differently only if BJP had one.

While Prime Minister Narendra Modi was talking of development, his party colleagues were apparently pulling out all the stops to polarize the society along the lines of religion. Was it a careful strategy to play both ways? Because if it indeed was the plan, it seems to have backfired in Bihar.

The BJP ought to decide now whether it really wants ‘development’ in India or wishes to continue walking on the path of divisive politics that leads nowhere but the abyss of darkness
 
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May be they used to a certain way of backward life just like UP the attitude of "Hum hum hain baki sab Pan kum" kind.But you can't entirely blame them they don't really have great leaders to look upto also BJP didn't even keep Sushil Modi as the CM candidate explains a lot on what was going on in their mind.

There is no visible face among the Bihari leaders other than Lalu,Nitish,Sharad not many independence fighters either which could result in lack of pride.

Yes, Biharis are progressive, they are just waiting for the messiah to emerge from them. and yes, they never participated in the freedom struggle, that is why they don't have pride in themselves.

This gem of information courtesy the resident indian intellectual.
 
Yes, Biharis are progressive, they are just waiting for the messiah to emerge from them. and yes, they never participated in the freedom struggle, that is why they don't have pride in themselves.

This gem of information courtesy the resident indian intellectual.

Why don't you just put your points forward instead of labeling and calling me names.
 
Opinion:As RSS Feared, Amit Shah Lost Bihar For BJP

Source:http://www.ndtv.com/opinion/as-rss-feared-amit-shah-lost-bihar-for-bjp-1241448?pfrom=home-opinion

Nothing, absolutely nothing can beat the instinct of a reporter on the ground. From the 2014 Lok Sabha elections to the thumping Bihar mandate for the RJD-JDU-Congress Mahagatbandhan today, journalists with an ear to the ground have been proved right despite varying and contradictory opinion and exit polls.

And why would a reporter covering Bihar not get it right when, for the past few months, the writing has been on the wall? In a column just days ago for ndtv.com, I wrote that the RSS wanted Amit Shah, the BJP President and Bihar in-charge to lose the election. The Sangh, the ideological parent of the BJP, was feeling increasingly left out with Shah's autocratic way of functioning and the extreme centralization of decision-making powers between the Prime Minister and him.

Today, as I write this, the Mahagatbandhan or Grand Alliance is inching towards the 178 mark with Lalu's party, the RJD, emerging as the single-largest party in Bihar. After being routed in Delhi by the Aam Aadmi Party, Narendra Modi, who along with Amit Shah had worked electoral magic in Gujarat during his long tenure as Chief Minister, committed one blunder too many. Shah, the poll manager in most of Gujarat's state elections and Modi's top confidante, played the caste and religion card in Uttar Pradesh ahead of the national election; the state gave the BJP its maximum seats.

Shah, now as party president, was also in-charge of the Maharashtra polls in October 2014 and along with an energetic campaign by the PM, he won the state amid a strong anti-incumbency sentiment for the Congress-Sharad Pawar coalition. However the real test for Amit Shah came in Delhi in February this year and it is here that the master strategist first faltered. The power duo of Modi and Shah, who had isolated most voices in the BJP including party veterans, ignored local leaders in Delhi and made a last-minute choice of Kiran Bedi as the Chief Ministerial candidate opposite Arvind Kejriwal. The decision led to the BJP's complete decimation in the national capital.

But Shah, who had by now earned the ire of many senior leaders in the RSS, was in favour of centralizing power as opposed to building leadership in states, a strategy that led to the Congress being reduced to 40 seats in 2014.

Despite the presence of ex-deputy Chief Minister Sushil Modi in Bihar, Shah dominated all electoral posters in the state along with the PM who addressed nearly 30 rallies, a record in itself.

The Grand Alliance woven together by Nitish, Lalu and Congress forced the BJP to develop amnesia over the RSS' stated line of discourse on Dalits and reservations, and Shah kick-started the election campaign on Dr BR Ambedkar's birth anniversary, in an outreach to the lower caste vote, which has traditionally spurned the BJP.

The strategy could have well worked for Amit Shah, had he realized the difference of political and caste dynamics between Bihar and Uttar Pradesh. In Uttar Pradesh, he shrewdly consolidated the Jats, Yadavs and upper-caste Hindus under the umbrella of Hindutva. But "kamandal" (political Hindutva) was not the answer in Bihar, where caste is the tent pole of politics.

As they say, ask a child in Bihar his caste and he will tell you the difference of caste between him and his closest friend. Shah tried to win the caste formula in Bihar by adding to the mix Chief Minister Jitan Ram Manjhi, a Mahadalit and Ramvilas Paswan. But he made the PM the face of the election campaign despite suggestions from senior leaders in Bihar including Shatrughan Sinha and Kirti Azad to consolidate local forces.

The PM, without any pretence of diplomacy, auctioned financial packages in his rallies for Bihar and targeted infamously the DNA of Chief Minister Nitish Kumar. It is from here that the BJP started to make a steady decline in the state. The campaign, which started on the development plank, gave way to the worst possible personal barbs about Mahagathbandhan leaders.

The last straw in the decline of its fortunes came when Mohan Bhagwat gave his controversial statement on reservations, asking the BJP not to ignore the aspirations of the upper class. Then the BJP's Union Minister VK Singh appeared to compare the murder of two Dalit children to a dog being killed.

Amit Shah, the rank outsider or "bahari" as he was called by his opposition hinted at ground being lost when he spoke late last month of the Bihar elections not being a referendum on Narendra Modi.

Towards the last phase of the polls when nothing worked, Shah and his party resorted to the tried and tested communal polarization with cow posters emerging on the streets and Shah stating that crackers would burst in Pakistan if the BJP lost. BJP MPs used the Pakistan rhetoric to allude to the minorities, and brazen statements on beef-eaters were professed on a daily basis before the last two phases of polling.

Amit Shah's arrogance, which has been called out by one of its most significant allies, the Shiv Sena, had an RSS ideologue confess in an off-record conversation with me that the BJP would be restricted to 70 seats in Bihar. The party will close below that.

This election was a high-stakes prestige battle for Amit Shah with the election for Party President scheduled in January. There is already talk of churn, heightened by RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat meeting former BJP president Rajnath Singh today.

If Shah is the big loser of this result, Nitish Kumar, who has won is already being supported by Arvind Kejriwal, Mamta Banerjee and the Congress. The BJP has ceded space to new regional kingmakers. Like Gautam Buddha, it seems Bihar has once again come to the rescue of the secular nature of the country. going on to prove that communalism can and still be given a tough fight by the common man despite those in power. The litti chokha has finally prevailed upon the arrogance of Lutyen's Delhi.

(Rana Ayyub is an award-winning investigative journalist and political writer. She is working on a book on Prime Minister Narendra Modi, which will be published later this year.)
 
Indo - Pak cricket series unlikely to through now.

The loss of the cricket series dealt a blow to the reputation of the BJP. By encouraging an atmosphere where like minded groups like Shiv Sena have been threatening and harassing Pakistani officials and stars, the BJP has presented a petty and unflattering picture to the world of a country mired in small minded bigotry.

Modi could have used the cricket series to show he and his party are above such trivial point scoring. When you consider even the much reviled dictator General Zia ul Haq managed to pull this off decades ago, it shows how backwards India as a nation has gone.
 
The loss of the cricket series dealt a blow to the reputation of the BJP. By encouraging an atmosphere where like minded groups like Shiv Sena have been threatening and harassing Pakistani officials and stars, the BJP has presented a petty and unflattering picture to the world of a country mired in small minded bigotry.

Modi could have used the cricket series to show he and his party are above such trivial point scoring. When you consider even the much reviled dictator General Zia ul Haq managed to pull this off decades ago, it shows how backwards India as a nation has gone.

That's why I regard Vajpayee highly for having the courage to start a Pakistan-India series in 2004. One of the few BJP people who could see beyond nationalism and chest thumping at every given opportunity.

Modi is the total opposite, and so are his goons and his advisors like Amit Shah.
 
That's why I regard Vajpayee highly for having the courage to start a Pakistan-India series in 2004. One of the few BJP people who could see beyond nationalism and chest thumping at every given opportunity.

Modi is the total opposite, and so are his goons and his advisors like Amit Shah.

Yes, Vajpayee did seem to have more vision than his successors down the years. Modi seems a mental pygmy in comparison, but perhaps it is necessary for India to go through the communal turmoil every decade or so, just to get it out of their system.
 
Yes, Vajpayee did seem to have more vision than his successors down the years. Modi seems a mental pygmy in comparison, but perhaps it is necessary for India to go through the communal turmoil every decade or so, just to get it out of their system.

Vajpayee looked moderate (he wasn't) because of comparison with Advani. And now Advani looks like a saint in comparison with Modi. The spectrum of hardline hindutva is being stretched, and earlier hardliners are now looking moderate in comparison.
 
Vajpayee looked moderate (he wasn't) because of comparison with Advani. And now Advani looks like a saint in comparison with Modi. The spectrum of hardline hindutva is being stretched, and earlier hardliners are now looking moderate in comparison.

Even Modi will end up toning down his hardline hindutva stance as he strives for world acceptance. There is already talk of him reining in Shiv Sena after the elections, that is because they made the nation look uncivilised and this is damaging India's reputation. I wouldn't be surprised if Modi visits Pakistan within the next year or two and we get the picture of him shaking hands with Sher e Punjab.
 
Even Modi will end up toning down his hardline hindutva stance as he strives for world acceptance. There is already talk of him reining in Shiv Sena after the elections, that is because they made the nation look uncivilised and this is damaging India's reputation. I wouldn't be surprised if Modi visits Pakistan within the next year or two and we get the picture of him shaking hands with Sher e Punjab.

That was the opinion I had earlier that now that he has power, he will tone down the rhetoric, and earlier signs were promising when he met with Nawaz (who has been a statesman in this term). But then Modi went back to his pre election days mode whenever pushed to a corner, which shows that his brand of politics is based on slogans. Slogans of peace when it is fashionable, and slogan of division when his power is under threat. But let's see if he mends ways and becomes the PM for which he was elected.
 
Vote for facism = development
Not vote for facism = regression, casteism

What great logic from modi's toadies!!!
 
Vote for facism = development
Not vote for facism = regression, casteism

What great logic from modi's toadies!!!

That looks like wisdom gathered from twitter. Very superficial.

Bihar has always voted along caste lines. Even BJP did well on those seats where it played the caste card.
 
Interesting times ahead,can Lalu turn this around to his advantage?

now if Majlis makes itself present in Bihar,next elections could be very interesting.
 
Nitish was re-elected on a clear anti-BJP platform in 2015. The honourable thing to do now is to call a snap poll. If Kumar wants an alliance with the BJP then he should put his cards on the table and call another election.
 
Shameless politicians. No ideology, no intention to develop. Only worry about power.
 
Looks like Nitish Kumar + the BJP will hold on to power in Bihar.

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BJP Claims Victory In Bihar Before Results Out, Says Win For Development

New Delhi: Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Home Minister Amit Shah tweeted late Tuesday night to thank the people of Bihar for "backing the NDA". The Prime Minister said the NDA would "work for the balanced development of every person, every region" of the state. Minutes earlier Mr Shah posted:

"Every section of Bihar has... backed the NDA's development agenda". The two senior BJP leaders' tweet comes with the ruling NDA only marginally ahead in counting ; the alliance is ahead in (or has won) 124 seats but the opposition is only trailing by 13 seats. There are 50 seats still undeclared. The opposition, led by Tejashwi Yadav's RJD, claimed it won 119 seats but the JDU-BJP government had put pressure on election officials to delay the results and rework them in their favour.

Here are the top 10 points on Bihar election results:

1. "People from every section of Bihar have displayed their confidence in the NDA's 'sabka saath, sabka vikas (development for all)' mantra. I want to assure them that we will continuously work for the balanced development of every person and every region," the Prime Minister said. He also praised women voters for turning out in record numbers and credited the NDA for giving them "self-confidence to take Bihar forward'.

2. Amit Shah appeared to call the election for the NDA, despite it remaining a tight race. "Bihar has rejected hollow promises, casteism and politics of appeasement, and has backed the NDA's development agenda. This is a win for Bihar's hopes. This is a win for the double-engine development of PM Modi and Nitish Kumar," he tweeted.

3. The ruling NDA is ahead in (or has won) 124 seats. The opposition mahagathbandhan led by Tejashwi Yadav's RJD is ahead in (or has won) 113. The BJP is likely to overtake Nitish Kumar's JDU as the majority partner in the ruling alliance. The party has won 64 seats and is ahead in nine others. The JDU has won 34 and is leading in nine. The RJD has won 64, is ahead in 12 and is on course to be the single-largest party. Its ally, the Congress has won 17 and is ahead in two. Chirag Paswan's LJP has won one seat.

4. Late Tuesday evening the RJD tweeted a list of 119 seats that, it claimed, were won by the opposition alliance but the winning candidates had been denied their certificates. The RJD said Nitish Kumar and his deputy, Sushil Modi, had put pressure on district and election officials to ensure decisions in their favour for closely-contested seats. A delegation of RJD and Congress leaders set out to meet polling officials in Patna.

5. Earlier the RJD had advised patience, saying it was still too early to decide anything. "We know a lot of people would try to play mind games in this. We want to tell our leaders and candidates that they should leave only with the victory certificate in their hands," said senior party leader Manoj Jha, pointing to the coronavirus-related precautions.

6. In response, the Election Commission, during its 10 PM briefing, pointed out that it had only declared results for 146 seats overall and indicated that the RJD's claim was not feasible. The counting of votes has been hampered by restrictions in place during the coronavirus lockdown, the polling body said once more. The poll body has scheduled another press conference for 1 AM.

7. The dismal performance of Nitish Kumar's JDU prompted party spokesperson KC Tyagi to blame the Covid pandemic in an attempt to deflect focus from Tejashwi Yadav's repeated and pointed attacks on the Chief Minister. Mr Tyagi told NDTV coronavirus had "defeated" the JDU. Meanwhile, Bihar BJP chief Sanjay Jaiswal hailed the Prime Minister for the NDA's victory, saying, "The NDA won because of Prime Minister Modi and its pro-poor policies."

8. Shiv Sena MP Sanjay Raut took the opportunity for a swipe at the BJP, urging Nitish Kumar to remember what happened in Maharashtra after elections in October last year. Mr Raut said his party (the Sena) had shown what happens when alliance partners do not keep promises. He was referring to the post-poll fallout between the Sena and the BJP over the former's demand for a rotating chief minister's post. The BJP has promised Nitish Kumar that he will remain in the top job in Bihar, regardless of respective performances in this election, if the NDA wins.

9. Asked if he would join hands with the RJD to help form the government, Asaduddin Owaisi - chief of AIMIM (All India Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen), which has won five seats, said: "We will decide who to support only after the last vote is counted. We believe in supporting only a truly secular party". The AIMIM, he added, has approached "all likeminded parties for an alliance to form a unified opposition and I was the untouchable for them".

10. As the day dawned to a close, with nearly 50 per cent of the votes counted, and given its strong results in bypolls across other states, the BJP was getting ready for festivities. Celebrations started in Patna and preparations were on at the party headquarters in New Delhi. But with the opposition narrowing the gap in Bihar, the party had toned it down. Mr Shah and Prime Minister Modi, both scheduled to appear, skipped the function.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/bih...0-points-2322967?pfrom=home-mainheadline_live
 
Bihar: Four injured, mosque vandalised during BJP victory march, says police

Four people were injured in Jamua village of East Champaran district when a group leading a victory procession in favour of a BJP MLA allegedly vandalised a mosque and pelted stones after a scuffle as local residents objected to raising of slogans during evening prayers, police said.

SHO Abhay Kumar said BJP workers took out a procession soon after the results were announced in favour of Pawan Kumar Jaiswal, who won the Dhaka seat by defeating RJD’s Faisal Rahman. Jaiswal was not part of the procession.

Kumar said there are around 20 Muslim families in the area where the mosque is located. “A heated exchange broke out when the procession was asked not to raise slogans on loudspeakers during maghrib time. A scuffle took place and people in the procession who were large in number started pelting stones.”

“The procession of 500 people pelted stones and raised slogans like Jai Shri Ram and abused the community… They broke the mosque gate, smashed windows, and properties inside,” alleged Mazhar Alam, a villager.

The SHO said 31 people have been booked and two have been arrested under various sections of the IPC, including promoting enmity between different groups and attempt to murder.

Police said additional forces have been deployed in the area and the situation is stable now.

https://indianexpress.com/article/i...during-bjp-victory-march-says-police-7049812/
 
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