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Cpt. Rishwat

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Bollywood films have come in for much criticism on here, many Pakistanis deriding the industry as Bollycrap, or other derogatory terms...and I admit I have done my share as well. But in my defence, I am going to offer an explanation: I don't connect with Bollywood films having been born and bred in England. Hence all the drama and dancing seems foreign to me. We Brits don't like cheesy nonsense and gaudy colours.

But I can contend that it is not the foreigners job to stick up for the Indian film industry, that should be done by Indians themselves, and only one member ever really did that here, the "it's getting better" king, IgnitedMind himself ( or herself, not really sure).

So the question is: Is Bollywood really a terrible film industry, or is it we westerners simply don't understand it's nuances and in fact it it is only those who live on another spiritual and emotional level who can access the fruits on the higher branches?

Discuss.

P.S. I am not looking for accolades or POTW nominations, this is a serious subject which deserves some thought.
 
Bollywood is bollywood. You have like 3 or 4 films out of 100 each year which might be watchable but even then chances are you would be bit underwhelmed in the end.
Personally speaking I hate the entire industry and the garbage it churns out in the name of films but can understand why it has such a popular following. An average Indian has a different taste and Bollywood does a tremendous job catering to it's target audience. Therefore you would see hacks like Salman Khan giving blockbusters every year.
 
I would say Bollywood is rubbish and we westerners , those who grew up/interact with people of various cultures(in the west) can understand this but those who stay home, speak their language, eat their own food mostly, dont have friends from other cultures can relate to Bollywood for it's cheesy quality as they connect to it because their lives aren't much different.
 
I would say Bollywood is rubbish and we westerners , those who grew up/interact with people of various cultures(in the west) can understand this but those who stay home, speak their language, eat their own food mostly, dont have friends from other cultures can relate to Bollywood for it's cheesy quality as they connect to it because their lives aren't much different.

Once upon a time (till 70s maybe) it delivered good movies. Now it delivers good movies amidst a mountain of nonsense, so the ratio is quite bad compared to other industries. But if you are a selective movie watcher you can get your hands on some nice ones. In all spheres of life India and as an extension South Asia delivers low quality products. Be it innovation, academics, technology, movies or sports we are the least productive part of the globe, this in spite of having over 20% of world's population. I honestly believe our music and cuisine can match up with the best of the world, nothing else comes to my mind.
 
Once upon a time (till 70s maybe) it delivered good movies. Now it delivers good movies amidst a mountain of nonsense, so the ratio is quite bad compared to other industries. But if you are a selective movie watcher you can get your hands on some nice ones. In all spheres of life India and as an extension South Asia delivers low quality products. Be it innovation, academics, technology, movies or sports we are the least productive part of the globe, this in spite of having over 20% of world's population. I honestly believe our music and cuisine can match up with the best of the world, nothing else comes to my mind.

I agree with the music and cuisine, it has good quailty , the same for Pakistan too. The food coming out of the sub-continent mainly known as Indian food in the UK (even though it's not all Indian) has become the most popular take away food of choice in the UK. But to spend 3 hours of your life watching low grade films just because they come from your culture or a similar background culture makes no sense to me.
 
A lot of American-born and raised Pakistani girls are really into bollywood so it doesn't matter where you grow up.

Personally, I don't like bollywood cause the stories don't make sense and the acting isn't that good.
 
I don't speak Hindi and am and not a crazy movie buff. Luckily I have some friends who are knowledgeable about this stuff and point me towards the good ones. So I have rarely seen bad Bollywood movies, must have seen only around 20-30 Hindi movies in my entire life, all with subtitles :)). So thankfully I am shielded from the likes of Salman Khan and Katrina Kaif. I have seen some South Indian movies, again being a choosy watcher and obsessive researcher I have watched mostly the critically acclaimed (critics I respect, very few :)) ) and well received ones.

We Brits don't like cheesy nonsense and gaudy colours.

Not sure about gaudy colours but there is plenty of nonsense that British and other Western people seem to like. In fact no country is exempt of such a viewer base that thrives on nonsense. Plenty of commercial successes coming from those industries seem nonsensical to me, be it movies, TV serials or reality shows. The proportion and numbers may be less but it's there alright.

is it we westerners simply don't understand it's nuances and in fact it it is only those who live on another spiritual and emotional level who can access the fruits on the higher branches?

No, it is a unanimous view that majority of what comes out of Bollywood is poor quality. But westerners do generalize stuff and hence miss out on the really good stuff. The stereotypes hold on and it seems westerners don't want to take risks with Indian products fearing the worst. And it isn't limited to movies, take cuisine, music, culture or even India as a tourist place. Westerners are risk averse when it comes to India, and maybe Pakistan/Sri Lanka/Bangladesh too. They accept East Europeans, East Asians, Africans, South Americans etc more easily than Indians. There have been some recent worldwide blockbusters like Crazy Rich Asians and Black Panther with near complete representation of certain ethnic groups. But I doubt they are even mildly interested in us brown folk, we are stereotyped into small boxes and they don't like us spreading our wings. In short I will say that westerners need to be more open minded when it comes to South Asia.

Is Bollywood really a terrible film industry?

When you consider the resources available, long history, market, economy etc yes it is quite terrible. Ultimately most makers create movies that appeal to the masses. Spend 1 hour on twitter searching about India related trends and you will understand that most Indians no matter how educated, well traveled or well off have bad or no taste. Ultimately movie caters to them and no maker is willing to take the risk of loss, box office failure in this competitive industry means one strike and you are out. Our folk aren't daring enough to deal with sensitive and nuanced subjects or in the art of subtlety. Even in well made movies the message or idea has to be drummed out loudly else our dumb low IQ audience will start rioting in the theatres. Western audience has on an average much higher IQ, more class, maturity, patience, flexibility and a willingness to stretch their brain cells as opposed to desis who love to devour lazy entertainment. Of course bad apples are still there but in India a huge % of movie goers are bad apples. There are some adventurous, bold and high quality film makers in India and they have a dedicated following, but it is a matter of numbers. They are unable to compete with our dross as far as bottom-line and/or audience appreciation is concerned. For every good product there are 20 poor/defective products and at least in the eyes of the international audience, our image takes a dip harming the rare good gems.

Another thing harming our industry is lack of or under developed stage culture. The stage culture in USA, UK, France, Australia, Spain, NZ etc is top notch. In India however it is a loss making enterprise and hence the actors, directors, producers, screenwriters, editors, costume designers, artistic creators, sound designers etc enter the movie industry as unfinished tools. Look at the great actors of the world, almost all of them have a certain reputation on the stage. Can Salman Khan last for 5 minutes in a Broadway type show? Or for that matter 90% of our successful showbiz people? Just like first class cricket is the gateway to success in international cricket, stage productions are a pre-requisite to movies. But do we value the art in its truest form or just the fame and money associated with it? How many people enter this business for the love of it?

Again because of nepotism and corruption in the industry, the same dynasty related people get the big breaks. Can you imagine such an arrangement in Hollywood? 32 leading actresses performed screen tests for the part of Scarlett in "Gone With The Wind" before the part finally went to Vivien Leigh. In India the casting is farcical, star children or relatives of politicians just have to show up and get assigned meaty roles in various capacities.

Compare the Oscars, BAFTA, SAG, Golden Globes with our fixed awards shows. There is a due process to reward talent and excellence in the west, in India there is no integrity and accountability. And ultimately we deserve what we get. A low quality audience with low quality working environment will always breed low quality movies. Unless audience learns to appreciate good work and demands excellence we are stuck in a loop. British public will boycott BAFTA if it reduces to the level of circus awards shows in India, they have certain standards to keep up to.

The Scientific and Technical Awards given by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences during the Academy Awards season recognize significant milestones in the development of technology for motion pictures. When was the last time we Indians even talked about technical people when it comes to movie making. What is our technical achievement or engineering innovation with regards to this industry? Does our audience demand technical excellence and the best cinematography, sound/visual effects etc? Do most of our makers and media know that there is a world beyond actors and directors?

And don't even get me started on the censoring and artistic liberty available in India. We are a few decades behind compared to the west. If a creative artist can't have license to do justice to his/her imagination and creativity, how can he/she ever sustain motivation in the business? If you impose restrictions on the thought process of people from where will innovation come? First we need to open our minds to all types/directions of winds, however unfortunately for us there is no light at the end of the tunnel.
 
And don't even get me started on the censoring and artistic liberty available in India. We are a few decades behind compared to the west. If a creative artist can't have license to do justice to his/her imagination and creativity, how can he/she ever sustain motivation in the business? If you impose restrictions on the thought process of people from where will innovation come? First we need to open our minds to all types/directions of winds, however unfortunately for us there is no light at the end of the tunnel.

thankful that we have a censor board, otherwise the ghatiya and beghairat directors would be creating more trash under the excuse of artistic liberty. we need more censorship, not less.
 
I keep seeing the enlightenment of Brits only to see East Enders still running, Bollywood is pretty good of course not as great as it was till 70s, it did go through a slump ..and it has it's share of good and bad movies but everything is memorable to me.

Im a huge Hrishikesh Mukherjee fan and my parents exposed me to a lot of old classics at a young age, I can't imagine movies like Jewel Thief, Guide,Anand,Bawarchi, Pyaasa or Chupke Chupke to be made in Hollywood ,so I'm glad we have Bollywood although I genuinely dislike the removal of songs (a new trend) and Western inspired violence, Bollywood succeeded coz it was unique hopefully directors always remember that.

It's very similar to cricket we like it but I Don't expect Americans to start liking or playing it.
 
Bollywood is not the ONLY Indian industry.

Agree with the opinions here. I have no patience for majority of south Asian movies thanks to long drawn out melodrama (and don't get me started on the songs). My view is tainted since I was born in the US but I would still say Bollywood is pretty bad - could do a LOT better given the human capital at disposal.

One thing I would like to point out to Pakistani folks is that Bollywood is India but India is not Bollywood. Do realize there are other major industries out there and huge population segments that barely follow/care about Bollywood. I do see a bias in attention towards Bollywood from folks in Pakistan, which of course is justifiable given your language/ethnic proximity to the industry. Alluding that Bollywood represents the entirety of Indian film industry is factually incorrect and is myopic.

If you want a higher percentage of quality south Asian films from a sample set, try Malayalam (my favorite among Indian films, though I do not understand the language). Quality is far better and relatively more films are without songs. Granted, it could be tougher for Pakistanis to get into south Indian movies given the language factor, and of course the thread topic is about Bollywood.
 
Bollywood is not the ONLY Indian industry.

Agree with the opinions here. I have no patience for majority of south Asian movies thanks to long drawn out melodrama (and don't get me started on the songs). My view is tainted since I was born in the US but I would still say Bollywood is pretty bad - could do a LOT better given the human capital at disposal.

One thing I would like to point out to Pakistani folks is that Bollywood is India but India is not Bollywood. Do realize there are other major industries out there and huge population segments that barely follow/care about Bollywood. I do see a bias in attention towards Bollywood from folks in Pakistan, which of course is justifiable given your language/ethnic proximity to the industry. Alluding that Bollywood represents the entirety of Indian film industry is factually incorrect and is myopic.

If you want a higher percentage of quality south Asian films from a sample set, try Malayalam (my favorite among Indian films, though I do not understand the language). Quality is far better and relatively more films are without songs. Granted, it could be tougher for Pakistanis to get into south Indian movies given the language factor, and of course the thread topic is about Bollywood.
Interesting you mention Malyalam movies. Are there any recent movies you would recommend which have also been dubbed in hindi?
 
Once upon a time (till 70s maybe) it delivered good movies. Now it delivers good movies amidst a mountain of nonsense, so the ratio is quite bad compared to other industries. But if you are a selective movie watcher you can get your hands on some nice ones. In all spheres of life India and as an extension South Asia delivers low quality products. Be it innovation, academics, technology, movies or sports we are the least productive part of the globe, this in spite of having over 20% of world's population. I honestly believe our music and cuisine can match up with the best of the world, nothing else comes to my mind.

Here is an interesting observation (or another one to be more accurate) Bollywood has stuck steadfastly to the 3 hour musical format for decades while we westerners chuckled in amusement at the saccharine silliness of it all. But as Bollywood's more sophisticated critics have persuaded producers to turn out more serious and sombre material, Hollywood has suddenly started churning out....3hr musical bonanzas like La La Land and The Greatest Showman!! Throwing the more discerning forward looking Indian critics into a state of utter confusion.
 
Here is an interesting observation (or another one to be more accurate) Bollywood has stuck steadfastly to the 3 hour musical format for decades while we westerners chuckled in amusement at the saccharine silliness of it all. But as Bollywood's more sophisticated critics have persuaded producers to turn out more serious and sombre material, Hollywood has suddenly started churning out....3hr musical bonanzas like La La Land and The Greatest Showman!! Throwing the more discerning forward looking Indian critics into a state of utter confusion.

How many movies of 2018 were 3 hrs long?
The average duration of Bollywood movies has reduced a lot not sure how u r getting that data, even Padmavat is 2 hr 44 incl credits..most movies have been much lower.
 
The most profitable movies last year Badhai Ho and Stree ,both were around 2 hrs.
 
It is garbage. Pakistani dramay are far superior.

Which story in Pakistani drama you felt were Superior to everything Bollywood produced in 2018.
Let's do a comparison,than blanket statements
 
The most profitable movies last year Badhai Ho and Stree ,both were around 2 hrs.

ADDING Two most grossing movies of 2018(Sanju and Padmavat) both around 2 hr 40 which was similar to Avengers infinity also at 2 hr 40 mins..
 
Interesting you mention Malyalam movies. Are there any recent movies you would recommend which have also been dubbed in hindi?

My preferences are non-romance action oriented films (cannot personally relate to any South Asian romance/arranged marriage stuff).

Two options
#1 - Drishyam
#2 - Mumbai Police

Drishyam has a hindi version starring Ajay Devgan (which is crap IMO). See if you can find a hindi dubbed version having original Malayalam actors.

The bang for your buck is maximized you are open to watching subtitled versions of those 2 movies in malayalam itself. I'm curious to hear your thoughts if you do end up watching either.
 
I didn't make.the statement about Pakistani dramas ,coz I haven't seen many.. you did so assuming you have watched both..

Bollywood :livid:

Okay recommend me something to watch bro so I can form a judgement.
 
I don't like or watch it anymore but that does not make it "rubbish". They continue making such movies because there is high demand for them. They make money for many people other times when a movie flops the makers suffer massive losses. In terms of quality the "golden days" were from the 50-s to mid 80's.
 
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How many movies of 2018 were 3 hrs long?
The average duration of Bollywood movies has reduced a lot not sure how u r getting that data, even Padmavat is 2 hr 44 incl credits..most movies have been much lower.

Well isn't that really just reinforcing my point? While Indians are taking pride in shortening film times to mimic Hollywood movie length, American movies are going the other way and bringing out films which have moved from the typical 100 mins to many which are now spanning 2-3hrs!

Quick...tell the Bollywood moguls to revert back to the longer format!
 
It's all subjective.

People should watch whatever they like whether it's Bollywood, Lollywood or Hollywood. Too many people sound like snobs with their " Indian/Pakistani movies are garbage" take. Let's be honest, the average person knows very little about the science and art of moviemaking (including me).

These movies make big money for a reason.
 
I don't like or watch it anymore but that does not make it "rubbish". They continue making such movies because there is high demand for them. They make money for many people other times when a movie flops the makers suffer massive losses. In terms of quality the "golden days" were from the 50-s to mid 80's.

THIS. I cannot comment about 50s-80s being too far removed, otherwise your points are agreeable.

End of the day this is a product you have to create with a $ investment for a given customer segment and with some sort of ROI in mind. You just end up creating what maximizes the ROI given what the fat portion of your customer segment's statistical bell curve demands.

Why blame the "inferior" product of the creators when they are simply catering to the "inferior" market demands of the customer segment in question? Put it other way - bollywood is crappy because the tastes of the target segment (be it in India/Pakistan/US/UK) watching these movies are also crappy.

One can argue then that it is up to the creators to help align interests of the masses but I think not. Creators are in the business of creating a product with financial skin in the game and they are justifiably incentivized for maximizing their ROI.

Normal question - why is bollywood crappy?
Deeper and better question - why is the quality of taste among bollywood watching population crappy?
 
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Well isn't that really just reinforcing my point? While Indians are taking pride in shortening film times to mimic Hollywood movie length, American movies are going the other way and bringing out films which have moved from the typical 100 mins to many which are now spanning 2-3hrs!

Quick...tell the Bollywood moguls to revert back to the longer format!

It's more with time available to a family, the working hours have gone up for every family and attention span among youth seem to low as well which is the reason.
 
Today's Bollywood is made for today's generation. Many people can't relate to it anymore especially those over 30 years I would say. At least we don't get saas-bahu fights on long lost brothers reuniting in the end to bash up an Amrish Puri or Amjad Khan.
 
Bollywood indeed has many flaws there are no doubts about it. However, some of the criticism it receives is quite laughable. The funniest thing is that the people that call Bollywood garbage generally use Hollywood as the benchmark for top quality films.

While its true that Hollywood produces some great movies but that shouldn't hide the fact that quite a large number of 'garbage' movies come out of Hollywood every year. Its also funny that people who call Bollywood 'nonsensical' flock to watch movies like Jumanji, The Meg, Venom, or Deadpool etc. These are among the top grossing Hollywood movies btw.

Lastly, the argument that Bollywood is an industry where 'hacks like Salman' give blockbusters each year. Hmm last I checked Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson is one of the highest paid actors in Hollywood due to his mind blowing performances in movies like Fast and the Furious, Jumanji, Skyscraper etc.

I think some people just criticize Bollywood for the sake of it. While a lot of bad movies do come out of Bollywood, there are also several good movies that come out as well. The industry is not for everyone though and If some don't like it they should simply not watch it. No one is putting a gun to their heads.
 
Bollywood indeed has many flaws there are no doubts about it. However, some of the criticism it receives is quite laughable. The funniest thing is that the people that call Bollywood garbage generally use Hollywood as the benchmark for top quality films.

While its true that Hollywood produces some great movies but that shouldn't hide the fact that quite a large number of 'garbage' movies come out of Hollywood every year. Its also funny that people who call Bollywood 'nonsensical' flock to watch movies like Jumanji, The Meg, Venom, or Deadpool etc. These are among the top grossing Hollywood movies btw.

Lastly, the argument that Bollywood is an industry where 'hacks like Salman' give blockbusters each year. Hmm last I checked Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson is one of the highest paid actors in Hollywood due to his mind blowing performances in movies like Fast and the Furious, Jumanji, Skyscraper etc.

I think some people just criticize Bollywood for the sake of it. While a lot of bad movies do come out of Bollywood, there are also several good movies that come out as well. The industry is not for everyone though and If some don't like it they should simply not watch it. No one is putting a gun to their heads.

Let’s get one distinction clear .....Bollywood is/was an unashamed den of thieves who go around the world stealing stories and music from around the world without getting due permission from the originators..... even then they do a pretty bad job of it.
 
Let’s get one distinction clear .....Bollywood is/was an unashamed den of thieves who go around the world stealing stories and music from around the world without getting due permission from the originators..... even then they do a pretty bad job of it.


Generalization, that’s another classic one :19:

Like I mentioned, don’t like it than don’t watch it :)
 
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bollywood is the single reason indians haven't developed intellectually. funny and sad to see some indians taking pride in this garbage. also sad that it is popular with pakistanis who are at the same level as the indians when it comes to intellect (or lack of it).
 
Why is it called Bollywood? It makes no sense.

Coz it takes the first letter from the city of of it's headquarters Bombay, now Mumbai. The rest of the world is from Hollywood. Similarly the Pak industry is known as Lollywood coz it was formed in Lahore.
 
Bollywood seems to form Indian opinion when it comes to all previous wars with Pakistan:)):)):))
 
bollywood is the single reason indians haven't developed intellectually. funny and sad to see some indians taking pride in this garbage. also sad that it is popular with pakistanis who are at the same level as the indians when it comes to intellect (or lack of it).

Hindi movies are hit in China. Are the chinese stupid too?

Dangal: 1220 crore
Secret Superstar: 736 crore
Bajrangi Bhaijaan: 295 crore
Hindi Medium: 218 crore
Hichki: 153.13 crore
 
My preferences are non-romance action oriented films (cannot personally relate to any South Asian romance/arranged marriage stuff).

Two options
#1 - Drishyam
#2 - Mumbai Police

Drishyam has a hindi version starring Ajay Devgan (which is crap IMO). See if you can find a hindi dubbed version having original Malayalam actors.

The bang for your buck is maximized you are open to watching subtitled versions of those 2 movies in malayalam itself. I'm curious to hear your thoughts if you do end up watching either.


Among Malayalam movies also highly recommend the following three. Three below have been remade into other Indian languages which were poor remakes so make sure to watch the Malayalam original version.

Memories (Mystery)
Usthad Hotel ( based on coming of age)
Bangalore Days ( story on three cousins )
Premam ( Romance)
 
bollywood is the single reason indians haven't developed intellectually. funny and sad to see some indians taking pride in this garbage. also sad that it is popular with pakistanis who are at the same level as the indians when it comes to intellect (or lack of it).

You have some evidence to back that up or just your intellect (or lack of it).
 
I knew Bollywood was poor viewing but 2018 had set a new low for the main Indian film industry.
 
Bollywood indeed has many flaws there are no doubts about it. However, some of the criticism it receives is quite laughable. The funniest thing is that the people that call Bollywood garbage generally use Hollywood as the benchmark for top quality films.

This is precisely the insight I was trying to raise. These films should be judged only by Indians for Indians. Why should Hollywood be any sort of benchmark? Do Americans judge their films according to Indian standards?

I say this as a westerner who has little appreciation for Bollywood by the way, which is precisely why my opinion shouldn't count. But many Indians agree with me which disturbs me and makes me wonder as to the mentality which causes it?
 
This is precisely the insight I was trying to raise. These films should be judged only by Indians for Indians. Why should Hollywood be any sort of benchmark? Do Americans judge their films according to Indian standards?

I say this as a westerner who has little appreciation for Bollywood by the way, which is precisely why my opinion shouldn't count. But many Indians agree with me which disturbs me and makes me wonder as to the mentality which causes it?

There are a couple of reasons I believe. Firstly, Bollywood is not the only film industry in India so there are probably quite a few Indians that don’t relate with.

Secondly, people do associate Bollywood with just a specific genre (you know the ones with the cheesy romance and the over the top action). Maybe rightly so as these movies have historically had a big market. However, there are still some well thought out intelligent movies that do come out of Bollywood each year.

And then there are the in the closet Bollywood lovers, who just get a false sense of superiority by claiming to hate Bollywood in public. These are the people who see everything Bollywood but with an excuse that they have to watch it because their parents/spouse etc made them.
 
This is precisely the insight I was trying to raise. These films should be judged only by Indians for Indians. Why should Hollywood be any sort of benchmark? Do Americans judge their films according to Indian standards?

I say this as a westerner who has little appreciation for Bollywood by the way, which is precisely why my opinion shouldn't count. But many Indians agree with me which disturbs me and makes me wonder as to the mentality which causes it?

Can we say that every Hollywood movie coming out is good and what classifies a good movie ? Is Hollywood fast and furious movies considered a good movie ? It’s made billions in the box office. Or how about the ones that won oscars like “ La la land” Is that considered a good movie.

I really don’t think one can compare Hollywood movies as good and bad and similarly the same with Bollywood movies. It’s up to the viewer to decide. I think 2018 saw Bollywood come up with an absolute gem of a movie with “ Andhadhun” a suspense thriller which challenges you’re mind and makes you question a lot of things. It did well at the box office. But did do amazing in terms of a movie like “ Race” which was you’re standard Bollywood madam leave you’re brain at home type movie. Sometimes the masses decide what they want to watch. And if they want to watch Salman Khan showing his muscles , dancing and defying gravity then that’s what the audience wants. But as we make more movies like Andhadhun the audiences perception and taste has to also change which takes time. If anything I thin this year in Bollywood we have seen movies of different genres which also did well and they challenged movies like the typical Salman Khan and Shahrukh Khan movies.

Notable movies of this year that were different and good were

Andhadhun
Mulk
Raazi
Karwaan
Badhai Ho
Stree
 
Soon a great comedy about the so called surgical strikes on Pak is releasing. It's called "Uri":)):)):)) Some of the period movies like "Padmavat" as good viewing.
 
Good Timing.

I say good timing because Bollywood in the past 2 years has not really produced any 3 Idiots esque films.

What is more surprising is that the three Khan’s (Aamir, Salman, SRK) even failed to break the usual records. Aamir’s latest was Bollywood’s most expensive film, yet the biggest flop of all time. Race 3, Zero were terrible for their standard too.

But this just highlights what I am trying to say, Bollywood has been far from entertaining in the past 2 years or so. They seem to be running out of ideas. It’s no secret that they have a tendency of copying Tamil/Hollywood films.
 
Among Malayalam movies also highly recommend the following three. Three below have been remade into other Indian languages which were poor remakes so make sure to watch the Malayalam original version.

Memories (Mystery)
Usthad Hotel ( based on coming of age)
Bangalore Days ( story on three cousins )
Premam ( Romance)

I maybe biased but I like Tamil movies much more than Malayalam, some recent ones and some old ones that come to mind are

Interrogation
Kaakkaa Muttai
Nayakan
Bombay
Appu Raja
Anjali
Roja
 
To my South Indian brothers, I have seen KGF getting some really good reviews? Should I give it a watch? Also any decent Hindi print available?
Thanks.
 
I maybe biased but I like Tamil movies much more than Malayalam, some recent ones and some old ones that come to mind are

Interrogation
Kaakkaa Muttai
Nayakan
Bombay
Appu Raja
Anjali
Roja

Tamil overall.is better coz when a good movie comes it's.amazing and reaches a very high ceiling(for an Indian movie), Malyalam is great on quality though..in terms of percentage.

I personally like Tamil but that's coz I'm biased and grew up watching em, Anjali and Thalpathy are my fav both Mani Ratnam but his movies have been trash post Dil see (my personal opinion).
 
To my South Indian brothers, I have seen KGF getting some really good reviews? Should I give it a watch? Also any decent Hindi print available?
Thanks.

If you didn't like Bahubali leave it..that's what I heard from my friends so I let it go.
 
Hated that one. Absolute waste of time and money.

Yup ,I didn't like.it either and same reason I gave this a miss..
Seems to be biggest Kannada movie though..and the fan boys are going crazy over numbers..
 
Reviews are pretty solid though.
This is what a strict critic said on Twitter about kgf
"There are more chances of finding intelligent life on Jupiter than finding subtlety in #KGF. It's not the blood but testosterone that runs through characters' veins. The sensibility of the film seems to have stuck in the black hole of 90s bad Hindi cinema.
The editing has no sense of pacing to it. There's hardly a shot that stays for 2 seconds on screen. It's as if the editor was on cocaine while editing it."

But public response is good. Hardcore massey action fans loved it.
 
Yup ,I didn't like.it either and same reason I gave this a miss..
Seems to be biggest Kannada movie though..and the fan boys are going crazy over numbers..

Dozen of my bolly lover friends have already recommended it and they all seemed to be going ga ga over it. Might check it out someday.
Also have you seen Andhadhun. You think I should give it a try?
 
This is what a strict critic said on Twitter about kgf
"There are more chances of finding intelligent life on Jupiter than finding subtlety in #KGF. It's not the blood but testosterone that runs through characters' veins. The sensibility of the film seems to have stuck in the black hole of 90s bad Hindi cinema.
The editing has no sense of pacing to it. There's hardly a shot that stays for 2 seconds on screen. It's as if the editor was on cocaine while editing it."

But public response is good. Hardcore massey action fans loved it.

Thanks brother. Should avoid it then.
Also your views on Andhadhun?
Might watch it tonight before going to sleep.
 
Dozen of my bolly lover friends have already recommended it and they all seemed to be going ga ga over it. Might check it out someday.
Also have you seen Andhadhun. You think I should give it a try?

Yes Andhadhun ,Badhai Ho and Stree gave all 3 a try ,they are commercial and of course there are plot holes but they are entertaining on a very believable.level with some great acting in Andhadhun and Badhai Ho..Stree you should see jus for the novelty of it and humor..
 
Thanks brother. Should avoid it then.
Also your views on Andhadhun?
Might watch it tonight before going to sleep.
Don't know yet to watch. I heard good mostly things about it.
But director is good in this genre of movies "Johnny gaddar" "badlapur"and now "andhadhun".
 
Yes Andhadhun ,Badhai Ho and Stree gave all 3 a try ,they are commercial and of course there are plot holes but they are entertaining on a very believable.level with some great acting in Andhadhun and Badhai Ho..Stree you should see jus for the novelty of it and humor..

Don't know yet to watch. I heard good mostly things about it.
But director is good in this genre of movies "Johnny gaddar" "badlapur"and now "andhadhun".

Shukriya Bhaiyon.
 
Why does everyone love Badhai Ho?

It was a good idea but an average movie.

But literally everyone seems to love it. I'm baffled.
 
Why does everyone love Badhai Ho?

It was a good idea but an average movie.

But literally everyone seems to love it. I'm baffled.

just that one scene of "(slap) saalay apna kamra chahiyay tha tujhay".... omg.... its a movie with a very funny what if scenario to it if one can not relate to it....

for me I love these lower budget with higher/acting packed movies rather than high budget sk, srk, ak, rk's type of ** films with zero acting...

in this digital age you will see a turnaround in bollywood hopefully, where the zawazuddin siddiqui, pankaj tripathi, vijay raaz, sanjay mishra, ayushman khurrana, raj kumar rao, and the likes will stand out more and be more appreciated than the fakes like srk, sk, rk's, etc... ak is still half decent here and there but going down hill in choice of his movies...
 
Yes Andhadhun ,Badhai Ho and Stree gave all 3 a try ,they are commercial and of course there are plot holes but they are entertaining on a very believable.level with some great acting in Andhadhun and Badhai Ho..Stree you should see jus for the novelty of it and humor..

Name one plot hole in Andhadhun ? Everything was properly explained and for a suspense thriller I was quite surprised that there were no plot holes or fallacies that i observed. The open ending at the end was the perfect ending to the movie as well. I couldn’t have written something better.
 
Why does everyone love Badhai Ho?

It was a good idea but an average movie.

But literally everyone seems to love it. I'm baffled.

A lot of dialogues were very specific to Delhi again which I liked, for example grandmother talking about govn slogan on kids, these were things which were advertised up north.
Many jokes are very specific(religious middle class) and I feel could be lost on half the population.

The way they covered the parents and the grandmother story was not only humorous but also subtle,plus I saw the movie with my parents and and them being from Delhi they could get the humor inside out.
 
Thanks brother. Should avoid it then.
Also your views on Andhadhun?
Might watch it tonight before going to sleep.

You will like KGF if you are an action fan! Editing is fast because they had to bundle a lot of stuffs & characters within the time-frame! The ones who liked this movie have loved it to the core and watched multiple times... Heard it was released in Pakistan and did well there...
 
Dozen of my bolly lover friends have already recommended it and they all seemed to be going ga ga over it. Might check it out someday.
Also have you seen Andhadhun. You think I should give it a try?

KGF is there on Amazon Prime (in South Indian languages with English subtitles. Try to watch it in Kannada with subtitles). With live streaming you will at least have chance & interest to watch it again (rewind some bits), so you may understand it (But big screen will give actual pleasure!)
 
Quality over quantity. The large population doesn't amount to anything substantial. You look at their film industry, media production - mindless and primitive - catering to the large swaths of the population. I have never seen anything brilliant come out of india. It seems to be far far behind most countries but the indians are made to drink the kool aid of being the "4th largest economy"

@psyoptica Indian films are primarily made to entertain the masses and they do a fantastic job of that ( songs are part of that entertainment ). If you want to feel the real power of bollywood I suggest watching any Concert if you live in a western country. Just priceless entertainment ( even if you dont understand the language )

here is a random example and I really envy those who watched this Lata Mangeshkar concert ... I have watched concerts by some top tier playback singers in the US and boy there is JUST nothing like it.

 
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