Boxing Thread

[shaykh]

He took 12 rounds against Alexander and displayed great skill thanks to training under virgil, regardless of the challenge peterson would present stylistically Khan would destroy him i mean he almost did despite the fact that he was roided up with a ref helping him in addition to fighting a style taught by freddie which was not so effective for Khan as we have now seen.

He would struggle against him i have no doubt in my mind. Prescott was more dangerous for Khan at that point then Carson friggin Jones lmao and it came at at time were you'd think Brook would make light work off him but that's what happens when you fight bums all the time

But if tomato cans draw with fighters which are beaten by Brook we forget about that they were a tomato can right, and nah don't throw words him out about threat etc am just showing how biased you are towards brook

Lol your argument is ridiculous...

Khan lost to a tomato can lol...you're making out Breidis to be some threat...tell me who he has knocked out...lol he couldn't even knock out Mitchell who got ko'ed by Burns and katsidis...he couldn't knock out McCloskey who got stopped by a shot Chop Chop...he has ONLY knocked out Khan...lots of fighters have soft records from Colombia...soft records even have a nickname...a Colombian record ...

Julio Diaz is not more dangerous than Carson Jones...on what basis are you making an argument for Diaz?...you can call Carson Jones a bum if you want but you have no basis for saying he's worse than Diaz...

Lol the Khan under Freddie would have made light work of Alexander too...when we see Khan against a fighter who actually provides a stylistic challenge then you can start making these assertions...

 

[BlackThunder]

No he's not, why didn't Pacquiao take the blood tests back in 09?

Depends if you think an unprecedented request of Olympic style testing performed by a clinic of Mayweather's choosing was a fair ask. Anyways what's done is done lets hope they can work out their differences and make the fight happen this time.

 

[shaz619]

Lol your argument is ridiculous...

Khan lost to a tomato can lol...you're making out Breidis to be some threat...tell me who he has knocked out...lol he couldn't even knock out Mitchell who got ko'ed by Burns and katsidis...he couldn't knock out McCloskey who got stopped by a shot Chop Chop...he has ONLY knocked out Khan...lots of fighters have soft records from Colombia...soft records even have a nickname...a Colombian record ...

Julio Diaz is not more dangerous than Carson Jones...on what basis are you making an argument for Diaz?...you can call Carson Jones a bum if you want but you have no basis for saying he's worse than Diaz...

Lol the Khan under Freddie would have made light work of Alexander too...when we see Khan against a fighter who actually provides a stylistic challenge then you can start making these assertions...

All you are doing is ignoring all my points and pushing your fabricated theories, prescott is a bum now but you must be an obvious hater to think it wasn't a dangerous fight for khan at that stage in his career both were similar in terms of experience levels and dangerous and then he displayed his power with that viscous KO Kell at the same point took on a bum that epitomized the definition of a tomato can

If Diaz drew with Porter imagine what he would do to Kell? there's my basis right there, Carson Jones wouldn't even last the distance against porter.

Perhaps but he's a better fighter now are you denying that? stylically viable or not that's boxing for you it's absurd to take away credit from Khan because Alexander was made for him, no one has decimated him in that way.

Our whole argument revolves around you trying to be little Khan in comparison to the legendary brook that has fought tomato cans, it's humiliating to be honest. Brook isn't even in the same league as Khan and it's not Khans fault he fought bums bro

 

[London_Lahori]

Lol your argument is ridiculous...

Khan lost to a tomato can lol...you're making out Breidis to be some threat...tell me who he has knocked out...lol he couldn't even knock out Mitchell who got ko'ed by Burns and katsidis...he couldn't knock out McCloskey who got stopped by a shot Chop Chop...he has ONLY knocked out Khan...lots of fighters have soft records from Colombia...soft records even have a nickname...a Colombian record ...

Julio Diaz is not more dangerous than Carson Jones...on what basis are you making an argument for Diaz?...you can call Carson Jones a bum if you want but you have no basis for saying he's worse than Diaz...

Lol the Khan under Freddie would have made light work of Alexander too...when we see Khan against a fighter who actually provides a stylistic challenge then you can start making these assertions...

Diaz is much higher caliber of fighter and has fought and succeeded at a higher level then Carson Jones ever has, or ever will.

 

[London_Lahori]

Depends if you think an unprecedented request of Olympic style testing performed by a clinic of Mayweather's choosing was a fair ask. Anyways what's done is done lets hope they can work out their differences and make the fight happen this time.

That unprecedented request became the norm less then 2 years later for a lot of fighters.

Why did Pacquiao want cut off periods? Why did Pacquiao say he was scared of needles yet has many tattoos on his body? There were a lot of excuses from the Pacquiao camp.

Then a couple of years later, Bob Arum wanted to build an imaginary outdoor stadium in Vegas to hold the fight and rejected the fight on the basis he didn't think MGM could garner the money he thought the fight was worth. Where is this stadium now?

Bob Arum's own words:

"Yesterday I was lying, but today I am telling the truth".

 

[shaykh]

Diaz is much higher caliber of fighter and has fought and succeeded at a higher level then Carson Jones ever has, or ever will.

Lol prove it...Diaz isn't even a welterweight...this is like giving Provo a rating cos he beat a washed up Castillo...Castillo is arguably Mayweathers biggest test...he was involved in the fight with Corrales etc...fact is NOTHING he does now is good...so giving me a list of what Diaz the lightweight did is meaningless when discussing Diaz the gatekeeper...

Lol he lost to Victor Cayo who was a rubbish Dominican prospect...got stopped by Rolondo Reyes...heard of him?...me neither...got KTFO in brutal fashion by Kendall Holt...this is why everyone said Porter was rubbish...cos he drew with a bum...

And lol he wasnt even a great fighter in his prime...hes hardly gonna go down in history as one of the great lightweights or anything...he was a belt holder...

Carson Jones was at least winning fights...Julio Diaz was busy losing them...and again Julio Diaz was a gatekeeper...Carson Jones was fighting in title eliminators...call both bums if you want but trying to make out Julio Diaz to be some good fighter is laughable...

 

[shaykh]

All you are doing is ignoring all my points and pushing your fabricated theories, prescott is a bum now but you must be an obvious hater to think it wasn't a dangerous fight for khan at that stage in his career both were similar in terms of experience levels and dangerous and then he displayed his power with that viscous KO Kell at the same point took on a bum that epitomized the definition of a tomato can

If Diaz drew with Porter imagine what he would do to Kell? there's my basis right there, Carson Jones wouldn't even last the distance against porter.

Perhaps but he's a better fighter now are you denying that? stylically viable or not that's boxing for you it's absurd to take away credit from Khan because Alexander was made for him, no one has decimated him in that way.

Our whole argument revolves around you trying to be little Khan in comparison to the legendary brook that has fought tomato cans, it's humiliating to be honest. Brook isn't even in the same league as Khan and it's not Khans fault he fought bums bro

Lol no-one thought it was a dangerous fight...hes no different than those 'dangerous' ghanaians that always end up on British cards...it was never a fight Khan was supposed to be troubled by...your revising history...it was an upset...it was an embarrassment...

Again...tell me who this dangerous puncher has knocked out...i have asked you three times now...

Like i said its easy to look good against a fighter who is tailor made for you...if he decimated Guerrero then i would stand back and give credit...I said when the fight was signed Khan would win easily...so why should I be extra impressed now...its too easy to blame Roach for everything...Khan beat Paulie and Kotelnik easily under Roach...so i should be impressed by Alexander...Kotelnik is ten times the fighter Alexander is...Khan also beat Maidana under Roach who is a better win than Alexander and Collazo...you're acting as though beating Alexander is an improvement...he would have beaten Alexander under Roach...

 

[BlackThunder]

That unprecedented request became the norm less then 2 years later for a lot of fighters.

Why did Pacquiao want cut off periods? Why did Pacquiao say he was scared of needles yet has many tattoos on his body? There were a lot of excuses from the Pacquiao camp.

Then a couple of years later, Bob Arum wanted to build an imaginary outdoor stadium in Vegas to hold the fight and rejected the fight on the basis he didn't think MGM could garner the money he thought the fight was worth. Where is this stadium now?

Bob Arum's own words:

"Yesterday I was lying, but today I am telling the truth".

Olympic level testing has become the norm in boxing? Anyways all I care about is for the two camps to get their act together and fight. If Mayeather himself admits that he is a rich coward than who am I to argue.

 

[London_Lahori]

Lol prove it...Diaz isn't even a welterweight...this is like giving Provo a rating cos he beat a washed up Castillo...Castillo is arguably Mayweathers biggest test...he was involved in the fight with Corrales etc...fact is NOTHING he does now is good...so giving me a list of what Diaz the lightweight did is meaningless when discussing Diaz the gatekeeper...

Lol he lost to Victor Cayo who was a rubbish Dominican prospect...got stopped by Rolondo Reyes...heard of him?...me neither...got KTFO in brutal fashion by Kendall Holt...this is why everyone said Porter was rubbish...cos he drew with a bum...

And lol he wasnt even a great fighter in his prime...hes hardly gonna go down in history as one of the great lightweights or anything...he was a belt holder...

Carson Jones was at least winning fights...Julio Diaz was busy losing them...and again Julio Diaz was a gatekeeper...Carson Jones was fighting in title eliminators...call both bums if you want but trying to make out Julio Diaz to be some good fighter is laughable...

Prove what? That Diaz is a higher calibre of fighter then Jones? You're really questioning that?

Diaz is a former world champion, has been in a number of title fights and shared the ring with fighters like Castillo, Juan Diaz, Torres, Cayo, Holt, Porter, Khan and Thurman. Whereas Jones has been in there with who? Diaz has been campaigning at WW for the last 3/4 years.

Carson Jones was winning fights? Against who? At least Diaz has some names on his resume as to who he lost too. Who's on Jones' resume that he lost too, who's a good fighter? Shall we go through his list of defeats? I'll defo need boxrec for that as I'm sure no one knows any fights he was in prior to the Brook fight.

Let's have a look, he's lost to:

Favio Medina (who?)
Luciano Perez (who?) knocked out btw.
Alfonso Gomes. Got KO
Freddy Hernandez
Roberto Garcia
Chris Gray (who had a record of 6-6 btw) )
Soto Karass - finally a name.
Rogerio Pereira.

So don't tell me Jones was a better victory for Brook, because Jones is a bum. Certified. Also, Jones has been fighting at Light Middleweight for most of his career, shall we say he's not even a WW to make Brook's win look even worse?

So please, enlighten me as to why Diaz isn't a higher calibre of fighter then Jones?

 

[London_Lahori]

Olympic level testing has become the norm in boxing? Anyways all I care about is for the two camps to get their act together and fight. If Mayeather himself admits that he is a rich coward than who am I to argue.

Yes it has become the norm for top level fights. Even Pacquiao has now started testing for his fights, after he said he was afraid of needles )

Don't hold your breath, the fight most likely won't get made.

 

[BlackThunder]

Yes it has become the norm for top level fights. Even Pacquiao has now started testing for his fights, after he said he was afraid of needles )

Don't hold your breath, the fight most likely won't get made.

Again your spreading false info. Olympic level testing has not become the norm in pro boxing and it will never become the norm. (I wished it had because it would clean up the sport). Whether Pacquiao was doping and therefore refused the Test that's debatable and its up to your own judegement as to whether you believe he was drugged up or not. I know he sued Mayweather for false accusations but I don't know what the end result was.

 

[shaz619]

Lol no-one thought it was a dangerous fight...hes no different than those 'dangerous' ghanaians that always end up on British cards...it was never a fight Khan was supposed to be troubled by...your revising history...it was an upset...it was an embarrassment...

Again...tell me who this dangerous puncher has knocked out...i have asked you three times now...

Like i said its easy to look good against a fighter who is tailor made for you...if he decimated Guerrero then i would stand back and give credit...I said when the fight was signed Khan would win easily...so why should I be extra impressed now...its too easy to blame Roach for everything...Khan beat Paulie and Kotelnik easily under Roach...so i should be impressed by Alexander...Kotelnik is ten times the fighter Alexander is...Khan also beat Maidana under Roach who is a better win than Alexander and Collazo...you're acting as though beating Alexander is an improvement...he would have beaten Alexander under Roach...

You didn't think it was not everyone. Khan was obviously the favorite given the manner of his wins over the course of his young career but it was a risky yet challenging fight, Brook was only challenged in his recent fight. Prior to that fight Khan had been wobbled a bit by feather fisters so it was really a chance for him to silence his critics about his chin, and i don't know what sport you follow if you think prescott had no power just look at that shot which connected flush on khans chin no fighter would have gotton up from that is there more evidence i need to provide on his power? the other fighters he knocked out i don't know them unknown columbians, he put them away though just like Tyson use to but prescott was exposed when he got in the ring with better boxers then him who neutralized his power anyhow i don't see how you can critique him when he was similar in terms of experience levels and was also unbeaten like khan, his prowess for power was well known obviously after that fight he went down hill. Tbh you're complaining about Prescotts resume during a point when his career was young yet fail to acknowledge that brook fought the same bums but for 99% of his career.

It's not easy to take 12 rounds and make world class fighters look like rookies, not even the harshest of critics have be littled Khans win like you have while chest pumpin about brooks win over a guy that drew with a guy you consider extremely awful and we're just arm chair critics at the end of the day.

Am not blaming Roach for anything Khans just a better fighter under Virgil or do you not see any improvement lol It's not just about beating Alexander it's the manner in which he achieved that, and the win over maidana was far from perfect he almost got himself knocked out if you consider that the perfect performance i don't know what to say. It was an entertaining fight but far from the ideal performance

 

[BlackThunder]

Yes it has become the norm for top level fights. Even Pacquiao has now started testing for his fights, after he said he was afraid of needles )

Don't hold your breath, the fight most likely won't get made.

You are confusing regular testing which has been part of boxing for a long while now to olympic style testing which is a completely different kettle of fish.

 

[shaz619]

Prove what? That Diaz is a higher calibre of fighter then Jones? You're really questioning that?

Diaz is a former world champion, has been in a number of title fights and shared the ring with fighters like Castillo, Juan Diaz, Torres, Cayo, Holt, Porter, Khan and Thurman. Whereas Jones has been in there with who? Diaz has been campaigning at WW for the last 3/4 years.

Carson Jones was winning fights? Against who? At least Diaz has some names on his resume as to who he lost too. Who's on Jones' resume that he lost too, who's a good fighter? Shall we go through his list of defeats? I'll defo need boxrec for that as I'm sure no one knows any fights he was in prior to the Brook fight.

Let's have a look, he's lost to:

Favio Medina (who?)
Luciano Perez (who?) knocked out btw.
Alfonso Gomes. Got KO
Freddy Hernandez
Roberto Garcia
Chris Gray (who had a record of 6-6 btw) )
Soto Karass - finally a name.
Rogerio Pereira.

So don't tell me Jones was a better victory for Brook, because Jones is a bum. Certified. Also, Jones has been fighting at Light Middleweight for most of his career, shall we say he's not even a WW to make Brook's win look even worse?

So please, enlighten me as to why Diaz isn't a higher calibre of fighter then Jones?

Alfonso Gomez was on prize fighter or contender i think, just thought i'd mention that to help Jones Resume.

 

[shaykh]

You didn't think it was not everyone. Khan was obviously the favorite given the manner of his wins over the course of his young career but it was a risky yet challenging fight, Brook was only challenged in his recent fight. Prior to that fight Khan had been wobbled a bit by feather fisters so it was really a chance for him to silence his critics about his chin, and i don't know what sport you follow if you think prescott had no power just look at that shot which connected flush on khans chin no fighter would have gotton up from that is there more evidence i need to provide on his power? the other fighters he knocked out i don't know them unknown columbians, he put them away though just like Tyson use to but prescott was exposed when he got in the ring with better boxers then him who neutralized his power anyhow i don't see how you can critique him when he was similar in terms of experience levels and was also unbeaten like khan, his prowess for power was well known obviously after that fight he went down hill. Tbh you're complaining about Prescotts resume during a point when his career was young yet fail to acknowledge that brook fought the same bums but for 99% of his career.

It's not easy to take 12 rounds and make world class fighters look like rookies, not even the harshest of critics have be littled Khans win like you have while chest pumpin about brooks win over a guy that drew with a guy you consider extremely awful and we're just arm chair critics at the end of the day.

Am not blaming Roach for anything Khans just a better fighter under Virgil or do you not see any improvement lol It's not just about beating Alexander it's the manner in which he achieved that, and the win over maidana was far from perfect he almost got himself knocked out if you consider that the perfect performance i don't know what to say. It was an entertaining fight but far from the ideal performance

Lol when are you gonna realize the basic point...Prescott isn't a big puncher...its a bloody myth...Mitchell took his punches and he's chinny...McCloskey took his punches...hes NOT a big puncher...all Colombians have these massive KO ratios but 99.9% of them aren't punchers...Ricardo Torres is that one rarity who actually was a puncher...hes not Paulie but you're presenting Prescott as some concussive puncher when he's KO'ed N0-ONE...

No it wasnt a perfect performance against Maidana far from it...but the discussion is about whether the Khan under Virgil Hunter does any better...fact is we don't know how Khan has improved cos he's had ideal fighters for him...we have seen nothing to suggest Khan does better against Maidana...Collazo and Alexander aren't the fighters to test Khans improvements...

 

[shaykh]

Prove what? That Diaz is a higher calibre of fighter then Jones? You're really questioning that?

Diaz is a former world champion, has been in a number of title fights and shared the ring with fighters like Castillo, Juan Diaz, Torres, Cayo, Holt, Porter, Khan and Thurman. Whereas Jones has been in there with who? Diaz has been campaigning at WW for the last 3/4 years.

Carson Jones was winning fights? Against who? At least Diaz has some names on his resume as to who he lost too. Who's on Jones' resume that he lost too, who's a good fighter? Shall we go through his list of defeats? I'll defo need boxrec for that as I'm sure no one knows any fights he was in prior to the Brook fight.

Let's have a look, he's lost to:

Favio Medina (who?)
Luciano Perez (who?) knocked out btw.
Alfonso Gomes. Got KO
Freddy Hernandez
Roberto Garcia
Chris Gray (who had a record of 6-6 btw) )
Soto Karass - finally a name.
Rogerio Pereira.

So don't tell me Jones was a better victory for Brook, because Jones is a bum. Certified. Also, Jones has been fighting at Light Middleweight for most of his career, shall we say he's not even a WW to make Brook's win look even worse?

So please, enlighten me as to why Diaz isn't a higher calibre of fighter then Jones?

Lol you're the person making Diaz to be more than a gatekeeper...im saying it was a bad result for Kell to get the narrow win...it was his Prescott/Diaz moment...

Im saying Carson Jones is a bum...but the fact is so is Diaz...who has Diaz beaten in 7 years?...

Can you name me which of those fighters Diaz has been remotely good against?...do you think if Khan beat Castillo now this is impressive?...do you think Mundine beating Mosley is impressive?...beating has beens means nothing...but then of course you get all happy over Khans win over a dead Barrera...

 

[London_Lahori]

You are confusing regular testing which has been part of boxing for a long while now to olympic style testing which is a completely different kettle of fish.

USADA & VADA is used regularly. Amir Khan uses VADA in his fights. Floyd uses USADA. Pacquiao v Bradley had Olympic style testing. Bradley v Marquez had OSDT. There's a lot of fights nowadays that use OSDT. Nonito Donaire gets year round testing.

You're not really a hardcore boxing fan, are you?

 

[BlackThunder]

USADA & VADA is used regularly. Amir Khan uses VADA in his fights. Floyd uses USADA. Pacquiao v Bradley had Olympic style testing. Bradley v Marquez had OSDT. There's a lot of fights nowadays that use OSDT. Nonito Donaire gets year round testing.

You're not really a hardcore boxing fan, are you?

So Pacquiao did have olympic style testing after all )

 

[shaz619]

Lol when are you gonna realize the basic point...Prescott isn't a big puncher...its a bloody myth...Mitchell took his punches and he's chinny...McCloskey took his punches...hes NOT a big puncher...all Colombians have these massive KO ratios but 99.9% of them aren't punchers...Ricardo Torres is that one rarity who actually was a puncher...hes not Paulie but you're presenting Prescott as some concussive puncher when he's KO'ed N0-ONE...

No it wasnt a perfect performance against Maidana far from it...but the discussion is about whether the Khan under Virgil Hunter does any better...fact is we don't know how Khan has improved cos he's had ideal fighters for him...we have seen nothing to suggest Khan does better against Maidana...Collazo and Alexander aren't the fighters to test Khans improvements...

If he hit Mitchell or McCloskey flush like he hit Khan they'd have been out cold, and he KO'd Khan. I've already explained why it was a dangerous fight.

That's fair but you're telling me you didn't see any changes at all from Khan in the fight

 

[shaykh]

If he hit Mitchell or McCloskey flush like he hit Khan they'd have been out cold, and he KO'd Khan. I've already explained why it was a dangerous fight.

That's fair but you're telling me you didn't see any changes at all from Khan in the fight

Lol so all of these fighters he has fought have just never been hit flush...its not that Khan was that chinny boy who even Willie Limond had in trouble...fact is Khan was glass jawed...his conditioning is helping him take shots better now but he got KO'ed by Prescott because he couldn't take a punch...this idea that no-one would have got up from that punch is nonsense...lol even Paulie has knocked someone out...

I'm saying its easy to follow a plan against a fighter tailor made for you...Khan looked outstanding against Kotelnik who as mentioned is a much better fighter than Alexander...styles make fights...and Khan in his last two fights has had easy style match ups...

 

[shaz619]

Lol so all of these fighters he has fought have just never been hit flush...its not that Khan was that chinny boy who even Willie Limond had in trouble...fact is Khan was glass jawed...his conditioning is helping him take shots better now but he got KO'ed by Prescott because he couldn't take a punch...this idea that no-one would have got up from that punch is nonsense...lol even Paulie has knocked someone out...

I'm saying its easy to follow a plan against a fighter tailor made for you...Khan looked outstanding against Kotelnik who as mentioned is a much better fighter than Alexander...styles make fights...and Khan in his last two fights has had easy style match ups...

What a load of garbage even Hatton said that punch would have taken him out, Prescott had power. Khan don't have the best punch resistance but that bomb would have taken out some of the best fighters in the division, had prescott connected like that on the likes of mitchell it would have been lights out. How is paulie knocking someone out relevant?

That's just your way of not giving him any credit for the win tbh, its as if you;re saying all he had to do was just show up. Stylistically perfect or not that performance against alexander was fantastic, you don't take 12 rounds off a world class fighter for shitts and gigles you need to be better then the man but on that night not only was khan the better man he made his opponent look like he didn't belong in the same ring as him not many fighters can do that to a respected opponent in Alexander

 

[shaykh]

What a load of garbage even Hatton said that punch would have taken him out, Prescott had power. Khan don't have the best punch resistance but that bomb would have taken out some of the best fighters in the division, had prescott connected like that on the likes of mitchell it would have been lights out. How is paulie knocking someone out relevant?

That's just your way of not giving him any credit for the win tbh, its as if you;re saying all he had to do was just show up. Stylistically perfect or not that performance against alexander was fantastic, you don't take 12 rounds off a world class fighter for shitts and gigles you need to be better then the man but on that night not only was khan the better man he made his opponent look like he didn't belong in the same ring as him not many fighters can do that to a respected opponent in Alexander

One example I can think of is a bum he fought Harrison Cuello who he did land flush on but Cuello could take his punches...and he's not exactly known for his chin...he landed flush plenty on Alvarado who took his punches...fact is punches that knock out anyone look like that against chinny fighters...

One recent example i can think of is Tavoris Cloud...guy just doesnt have power but looked like he did cos he was fighting people who couldn't take a punch...you're talking about Breidis Prescott like he is Randall Bailey...that he isn't...

And on not giving credit...i said he would win easily before the fight so im not surprised he did...if i contradicted myself then you can make some sort of point...but he did what was expected...Khan would have beaten Alexander under Roach too and probably just as easily...

You're going on about improvements and thats my point...he wasnt required to show any against Alexander...Paulie and Kotelnik couldn't expose flaws that Khan had and neither could Alexander...its quite a straightforward point actually...

I'll give you a simple point...i think Kotelnik is a better fighter than Maidana...he beat Maidana and he took Alexander to school...however I rate Khans win over Maidana over his win over Kotelnik...Kotelnik is the best fighter Khan has fought...Maidana is his best win cos it was him winning against someone with a style that was tougher for him than Kotelniks...

 

[shaz619]

One example I can think of is a bum he fought Harrison Cuello who he did land flush on but Cuello could take his punches...and he's not exactly known for his chin...he landed flush plenty on Alvarado who took his punches...fact is punches that knock out anyone look like that against chinny fighters...

One recent example i can think of is Tavoris Cloud...guy just doesnt have power but looked like he did cos he was fighting people who couldn't take a punch...you're talking about Breidis Prescott like he is Randall Bailey...that he isn't...

And on not giving credit...i said he would win easily before the fight so im not surprised he did...if i contradicted myself then you can make some sort of point...but he did what was expected...Khan would have beaten Alexander under Roach too and probably just as easily...

You're going on about improvements and thats my point...he wasnt required to show any against Alexander...Paulie and Kotelnik couldn't expose flaws that Khan had and neither could Alexander...its quite a straightforward point actually...

I'll give you a simple point...i think Kotelnik is a better fighter than Maidana...he beat Maidana and he took Alexander to school...however I rate Khans win over Maidana over his win over Kotelnik...Kotelnik is the best fighter Khan has fought...Maidana is his best win cos it was him winning against someone with a style that was tougher for him than Kotelniks...

Anyone that took the bomb Khan did would have been knocked out even hatton said that, prescott's poor boxing skill ensured he wasn't able to gain sufficient torque to deliver such a power shot like that again after that fight Khan just left himself exposed that night, an unbeaten fighter will always present a challenge i never saw such a challenge which Brook faced during his career up un till the point where he fought porter

What's you predicting him winning got to do anything? most people did no one predicted he'd destroy him like that, you have to give a fighter credit for taking 12 rounds even if the fight made sense stylistically it's boxing fighters are not ranked by which guys are stylistically good for them or not they are ranked by being in the ring with world class/elite fighters and when you make such fighters look like rookies you deserve credit . Now you are just lying because i am 500% sure you said in the old boxing thread that you rate Khans win over kotelnik more, you're just contradicting yourself bro ) now you're going into the fanboy zone.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Lol so all of these fighters he has fought have just never been hit flush...its not that Khan was that chinny boy who even Willie Limond had in trouble...fact is Khan was glass jawed...his conditioning is helping him take shots better now but he got KO'ed by Prescott because he couldn't take a punch...this idea that no-one would have got up from that punch is nonsense...lol even Paulie has knocked someone out...

I'm saying its easy to follow a plan against a fighter tailor made for you...Khan looked outstanding against Kotelnik who as mentioned is a much better fighter than Alexander...styles make fights...and Khan in his last two fights has had easy style match ups...

I'm not sure Khan is glass jawed. He's not got an iron chin that's for sure, but previously he used to lunge forward swinging and when he got punched on the counter, that tends to double the impact of the punch. Ricky Hatton was never considered glass jawed but when he got hit by a Mayweather check punch he went out like a light and dropped face first to the floor. Mayweather is hardly a big puncher.

I've seen Khan since he's tried to rein in his instinct to go toe to toe, and now when he gets hit he's not walking into punches so he tends to recover quite quickly. There are definitely fighters out there with more durable chins, but if he continues to develop his defence, he can use that as a good base to overwhelm those guys with speed and reach. Khan does actually possess some power himself as well so to overplay his glass jaw is perhaps ignoring some of his outstanding qualities.

 

[BoomBoomAli]

Its fairly obvious that shaykh is the guy on the video who stole Khans purse and told him not to step foot in birmingham again. To suggest that Brook deserves Mayweather as much as Khan does is frankly moronic.

Khan is a much improved and more thoughtful fighter than he was against Diaz, bringing that fight up really is pointless as its obvious to all that this is a different version of Khan

 

[shaykh]

Its fairly obvious that shaykh is the guy on the video who stole Khans purse and told him not to step foot in birmingham again. To suggest that Brook deserves Mayweather as much as Khan does is frankly moronic.

Khan is a much improved and more thoughtful fighter than he was against Diaz, bringing that fight up really is pointless as its obvious to all that this is a different version of Khan

Lol another fanboy...

Quite simple really...Khan hasn't EARNED a fight with Mayweather...unless you consider getting KTFO by Garcia...beating tomato cans and then beating Alexander as some amazing feat...

Brook is AS qualified as Khan by virtue of the fact they both have legitimate wins lately...Brooks is arguably better...

Personally I don't think either fighter deserves Mayweather cos neither has done anything...but then the point remains neither did Ortiz...

Ortiz beat Berto to earn a fight...he had prior to that drawn against Peterson and quit like a baby against Maidana
Guerrero went up two weight classes and had one legitimate win that also being against Berto and this earned him a fight...

All these fighters have is more marketability...are you gonna argue that Ortiz deserved a fight with Floyd?...Floyd fights rubbish because the good fighters aren't available...Brook and Khan fall into that category...and in terms of merit both have done as much as Ortiz and Guerrero have...

 

[shaz619]

Lmao what a moronic thing to say and how hypocritical, Brook's entire resume is full of tomato cans and that one win was against a guy that struggled against Diaz, it's beyond me how you can even think Brook deserves the floyd fight as much as Khan with those great feats. Honestly your fanboyism for Brook has been established in this thread, almost everyone disagrees with your views on Khan/Brook and you've failed to objectively defend your points. I think it's quiet obvious you hate Khan for whatever reasons, it does't matter if you are pakistani or not because most of you guys are jealous of him, if he were white or black or non-muslim he would be glorified in Britain and there wouldn't be so many haters but brown peeps hate his guts to out of hatred and stupid reasons like aaah we don't like his pre-fight talk blah blah. Khans a good lad, no British fighter does as much charity as him and it's okay to be confident

 

[shaz619]

To be fair the media in general has displayed Khan support and as of late they are really coming out to show our British Hero a bit of love, no way should this lad have to remain in USA. This negative energy shouldn't exist but it's there because of peeps like shaykh.

 

[shaykh]

Lmao what a moronic thing to say and how hypocritical, Brook's entire resume is full of tomato cans and that one win was against a guy that struggled against Diaz, it's beyond me how you can even think Brook deserves the floyd fight as much as Khan with those great feats. Honestly your fanboyism for Brook has been established in this thread, almost everyone disagrees with your views on Khan/Brook and you've failed to objectively defend your points. I think it's quiet obvious you hate Khan for whatever reasons, it does't matter if you are pakistani or not because most of you guys are jealous of him, if he were white or black or non-muslim he would be glorified in Britain and there wouldn't be so many haters but brown peeps hate his guts to out of hatred and stupid reasons like aaah we don't like his pre-fight talk blah blah. Khans a good lad, no British fighter does as much charity as him and it's okay to be confident

I loved Nas which kinda kills your 'im racist' angle...

I don't even have an issue with him as a fighter...he is flawed but generally exciting...i like to watch his fights but you're speaking about him like he's some superstar which he isn't...he got KTFO by Garcia who himself is not an elite fighter...after getting knocked out he's beat bums of the same level as Kells opponents and then beaten one legitimate fighter in Alexander...bringing up Khans whole resume is irrelevant...facts are he has lost 2 of his last 6...and 3 of his 4 wins have been against bums...the same type of bums you criticize Kell for fighting...

Brook beat the guy that beat Alexander handily...its a more impressive win than Khans...you keep mentioning the Diaz fight...well if you wanna call Porter a bum then I suppose that means Khan has beaten 4 cans in a row ...

I don't even rate Brook that highly...I think Thurman beats both of these guys...but fact is Kell has beaten a fighter that was being considered for Floyd before he lost to Brook...if Brook was a name fighter he would also be in that hat...Khans prior results a few years ago at a different weight don't earn him a fight in 2015 at welterweight...

In terms of their last few fights they have done as much as each other and Kell has the more impressive scalp in Porter...

If everyone disagrees with me that is no indicator of truth...

 

[shaz619]

Well yeah but there's not one thing you say which makes me give your viewpoint any consideration, Brook has fought bums Khan has not. He's not in the same league as Khan in any shape or form and the fact that Floyd wouldn't even give his name a look just vindicates how deserving brook is of a fight with floyd.

People hate khan for stupid reasons, you loving nas or whatever doesn't mean a thing really.

 

[shaykh]

Well yeah but there's not one thing you say which makes me give your viewpoint any consideration, Brook has fought bums Khan has not. He's not in the same league as Khan in any shape or form and the fact that Floyd wouldn't even give his name a look just vindicates how deserving brook is of a fight with floyd.

People hate khan for stupid reasons, you loving nas or whatever doesn't mean a thing really.

Actually you implied I was a bigot...you stated that if Khan was black and non-Muslim it would be different...hence the Nas point...its actually quite pathetic that you want to attack me personally during a boxing conversation...

Here is a simple question...objectively speaking who is the better fighter out of Porter and Alexander?...

Is Khans win over Alexander better than Brooks win over Porter?...

Is Paulie Malignaggi the best fighter of the three...considering your ridiculous he's been in with better fighters argument...actually with your ridiculous criteria I guess Alexander is also better than Khan and Porter...its matters not that he lost to both of these fighters...he has fought Kotelinik, Matthysse and Bradley...this is a better list than any of the fighters mentioned here so I guess this makes him the best fighter on this list...

You have a stupid argument...and you make this mistake of making sell ability and earning...Khan is a big name...but its ridiculous to suggest this is all because of what his achievements are...hes actually a bigger fighter sales wise than Froch but not for a second would anyone make an argument that he is a better p4p fighter than Froch...again you use weak criteria to make a point...

 

[shaz619]

Lol how did i attack you personally, I never called you bigot and i never specifically said you hate him because he aint black white etc, i merely spoke of the nature of fans in Britian when it comes to their attitude towards Khan its true as well there are many journalists who have discussed this topic openly and it's not outrageous for me to not think there are fans out there that would glorify him if he was not brown or Muslim etc. But there is no denying you hate/dislike Khan for whatever reason.

To be honest your reasoning is flawed for how you are trying to justify Brook being worthy of the floyd fight, the guy got no appeal and he has fought bums throughout his career i don't see how one fight changes everything for him. Brook beat a guy that drew with Diaz and Khan decimated Alexander and made him look like a rookie, if you think Brook is worthy of floyd why isn't he being talked up as a potential opponent? it's because he fought bums through out his career he was so friggin protected. Khan's had mixed results but he fought the best and has some impressive wins to his name and its outragous to think this doesn't help his stock, you become a big name by fighting the best and it helps your box office appeal to. Brook is a nobody that has a world title but he needs to get in the ring with ellite opponents to be even mentioned in the same sentence as floyd, it;s an absolute joke to even suggest that he deserves floyd as much as brook LOOL that's your opinion but am just saying you're the first person i've heard something so stupida and out of this world tbh

 

[OmaIR1]

Actually you implied I was a bigot...you stated that if Khan was black and non-Muslim it would be different...hence the Nas point...its actually quite pathetic that you want to attack me personally during a boxing conversation...

Here is a simple question...objectively speaking who is the better fighter out of Porter and Alexander?...

Is Khans win over Alexander better than Brooks win over Porter?...

Is Paulie Malignaggi the best fighter of the three...considering your ridiculous he's been in with better fighters argument...actually with your ridiculous criteria I guess Alexander is also better than Khan and Porter...its matters not that he lost to both of these fighters...he has fought Kotelinik, Matthysse and Bradley...this is a better list than any of the fighters mentioned here so I guess this makes him the best fighter on this list...

You have a stupid argument...and you make this mistake of making sell ability and earning...Khan is a big name...but its ridiculous to suggest this is all because of what his achievements are...hes actually a bigger fighter sales wise than Froch but not for a second would anyone make an argument that he is a better p4p fighter than Froch...again you use weak criteria to make a point...

yes it is

khan completely shutout alexander 120-108

porter beat alexander but let's not forget that one of the judges had it 115-113 to porter

brook beat porter but one of the judges had it 114-114 where another had it 116-112

khan's was the most impressive

 

[shaykh]

Lol how did i attack you personally, I never called you bigot and i never specifically said you hate him because he aint black white etc, i merely spoke of the nature of fans in Britian when it comes to their attitude towards Khan its true as well there are many journalists who have discussed this topic openly and it's not outrageous for me to not think there are fans out there that would glorify him if he was not brown or Muslim etc. But there is no denying you hate/dislike Khan for whatever reason.

To be honest your reasoning is flawed for how you are trying to justify Brook being worthy of the floyd fight, the guy got no appeal and he has fought bums throughout his career i don't see how one fight changes everything for him. Brook beat a guy that drew with Diaz and Khan decimated Alexander and made him look like a rookie, if you think Brook is worthy of floyd why isn't he being talked up as a potential opponent? it's because he fought bums through out his career he was so friggin protected. Khan's had mixed results but he fought the best and has some impressive wins to his name and its outragous to think this doesn't help his stock, you become a big name by fighting the best and it helps your box office appeal to. Brook is a nobody that has a world title but he needs to get in the ring with ellite opponents to be even mentioned in the same sentence as floyd, it;s an absolute joke to even suggest that he deserves floyd as much as brook LOOL that's your opinion but am just saying you're the first person i've heard something so stupida and out of this world tbh

Again you don't pay attention...

Where have I said Brook makes a good opponent for Floyd or even said he is worthy...I have said that on MERIT he is as deserving as Khan is...the victory over Porter is a better win frankly...

You refer to Porter as the guy who drew with Diaz yet leave Alexander who was the guy who got battered by Porter and Bradley and got taken to school by Kotelnik...youre being ridiculous cos you're acting as if Porter is some bum when he beat Alexander handily...decide where you wanna place Alexander and Porter...you cant call Alexander a legitimate win and then call Porter a bum...its absurdity...

As for becoming a big name by fighting the best...thats just rubbish...would you say Bradley is a bigger name than Khan?...yet Bradley has a fantastic CV...poor guy cant even get credit for beating JMM...Khan has a fan base, a class promoter and Al Haymon...you're speaking like a casual fan when you try and link merit and sell ability...they can be linked but often they aren't...Khans name was being bandied around after he struggled against Diaz...do you think thats justified?...

And again I don't think Brook deserves the fight...and he wont get it...his route to stardom is harder cos he doesnt have the promoter or the fan base...but deserving something and getting something are different things...Ortiz had no right to be in the ring with Floyd...neither does Khan...neither does Brook...if you pay attention im actually saying none of them have done jack...Khan has beaten Alexander...Brook has beaten Porter...thats it...but then neither did Ortiz or Guerrero...

The actual deserving fighters aren't in the picture...Bradley, Pacquiao, JMM, GGG...so Floyd is settling for fighters that have no right to be in the same ring as him...

As for my dislike for Khan...hes just the topic on here...when the Haye/Klit fight was on...I had to deal with all this rubbish from Haye fans too...funnily enough on here everyone seems to forget I was a lot more negative about Haye than i was about Khan even though I felt Haye was a superior P4P fighter...my issue with Khan isn't even him...its his fans who big him by stating he's on Floyds level etc...

If you notice I havent said Kell belongs in the ring with Floyd...ive simply stated he is as deserving as Amir...if you considered what I've written you would realize i don't really rate either fighter...but cos you're so in love with Khan you presume im bigging up Brook cos to claim that Brook is his equal is calling Brook elite ...

Anyhow we arent gonna agree...thats fine...lets call it a day...

 

[shaykh]

yes it is

khan completely shutout alexander 120-108

porter beat alexander but let's not forget that one of the judges had it 115-113 to porter

brook beat porter but one of the judges had it 114-114 where another had it 116-112

khan's was the most impressive

Did you watch either fight or did you just go on Boxrec?...it was a comprehensive win for Porter...he nearly had Devon beat in 2 rounds and then gased a bit as a result...this is where Devons odd rounds came from...115-113 was a joke...but you would know that if you actually watched the fight...

And again you mention the scorecard for the Brook fight...the 114-114 was a silly scorecard...it was about 8-4 in rounds...you of course didn't mention the other cards which were 116-112 (the best card) and 117-111...

You're evidently one of those guys who think Cintron earned a draw against Martinez and Pac lost to Bradley ...try watching boxing bro...Boxrec doesnt answer everything...

As for whats most impressive...its simple really...

Brook beat the better fighter...he didn't do it as easily as Khans win but he beat the BETTER fighter...hence its a better win...

 

[shaykh]

Anyhow dunno what is up with this site...doesnt let me edit anymore...

The best fight for both fighters is each other...i really do hope Floyd goes elsewhere cos neither should fight him...Ortiz fight was a travesty and in that same vein so would Floyd/Khan and Floyd/Brook...

Or if not each other then at the very least fight Maidana...one legitimate win at welterweight shouldn't get someone a title shot...i think Thurman is better than both of these fighters and in beating Chavez has the best win out of these guys...but he hasn't earned a fight with Floyd...all these fighters need more wins...

You guys are calling for Floyd fights...im honest and saying none of them deserve it...aside from these 3 Sadam Ali looked brilliant against Abregu...that was as legitimate a win as any these guys have had...and there is Chavez and Guerrero...this is who these guys should be fighting...each other...not Floyd...

 

[shaz619]

Again you don't pay attention...

Where have I said Brook makes a good opponent for Floyd or even said he is worthy...I have said that on MERIT he is as deserving as Khan is...the victory over Porter is a better win frankly...

You refer to Porter as the guy who drew with Diaz yet leave Alexander who was the guy who got battered by Porter and Bradley and got taken to school by Kotelnik...youre being ridiculous cos you're acting as if Porter is some bum when he beat Alexander handily...decide where you wanna place Alexander and Porter...you cant call Alexander a legitimate win and then call Porter a bum...its absurdity...

As for becoming a big name by fighting the best...thats just rubbish...would you say Bradley is a bigger name than Khan?...yet Bradley has a fantastic CV...poor guy cant even get credit for beating JMM...Khan has a fan base, a class promoter and Al Haymon...you're speaking like a casual fan when you try and link merit and sell ability...they can be linked but often they aren't...Khans name was being bandied around after he struggled against Diaz...do you think thats justified?...

And again I don't think Brook deserves the fight...and he wont get it...his route to stardom is harder cos he doesnt have the promoter or the fan base...but deserving something and getting something are different things...Ortiz had no right to be in the ring with Floyd...neither does Khan...neither does Brook...if you pay attention im actually saying none of them have done jack...Khan has beaten Alexander...Brook has beaten Porter...thats it...but then neither did Ortiz or Guerrero...

The actual deserving fighters aren't in the picture...Bradley, Pacquiao, JMM, GGG...so Floyd is settling for fighters that have no right to be in the same ring as him...

As for my dislike for Khan...hes just the topic on here...when the Haye/Klit fight was on...I had to deal with all this rubbish from Haye fans too...funnily enough on here everyone seems to forget I was a lot more negative about Haye than i was about Khan even though I felt Haye was a superior P4P fighter...my issue with Khan isn't even him...its his fans who big him by stating he's on Floyds level etc...

If you notice I havent said Kell belongs in the ring with Floyd...ive simply stated he is as deserving as Amir...if you considered what I've written you would realize i don't really rate either fighter...but cos you're so in love with Khan you presume im bigging up Brook cos to claim that Brook is his equal is calling Brook elite ...

Anyhow we arent gonna agree...thats fine...lets call it a day...

where did i say that you think brook is worthy of floyd? and who said Khan is on par with floyd as a fighter? he deserves to belong in the same ring with him i think its brook fans that are insane am arguing with your assumption that brook deserves floyd as much as Khan. Mate you are behaving like the casual here it's beyond me how you can think that fighting quality doesn't help your stock or box office appeal, fan base or no fan base you need step it up to be considered a world class/ellite fighter, even if Brook had a fan base at this stage in his career no way would he be worthy of floyd because he has been in the ring with tomato cans throughout his career and one fight doesn't change anything. I merely stated the obvious but your cheer leading for brook is getting in the way of your judgement, sure the porter win is good but you talked down diaz when khan wasn't impressive against him during his re-building phase under a new coach yet fail to highlight that porter drew with diaz a guy that khan beat and mate no one has decimated a 2 weight world champion in the fashion khan did it's beyond all we predicted you don't just step in the ring and be expected to take 12 rounds from a world class fighter for shitts and giggles yet you don't give credit for that because of brook fanboyism.

 

[OmaIR1]

Did you watch either fight or did you just go on Boxrec?...it was a comprehensive win for Porter...he nearly had Devon beat in 2 rounds and then gased a bit as a result...this is where Devons odd rounds came from...115-113 was a joke...but you would know that if you actually watched the fight...

And again you mention the scorecard for the Brook fight...the 114-114 was a silly scorecard...it was about 8-4 in rounds...you of course didn't mention the other cards which were 116-112 (the best card) and 117-111...

You're evidently one of those guys who think Cintron earned a draw against Martinez and Pac lost to Bradley ...try watching boxing bro...Boxrec doesnt answer everything...

As for whats most impressive...its simple really...

Brook beat the better fighter...he didn't do it as easily as Khans win but he beat the BETTER fighter...hence its a better win...

I watched all 3 fights.

I don't agree. Khan's performance against Alexander was better. Everyone was talking about it as soon as it ended. It was a masterclass, period. It's the better performance at 147. If you think Brook deserves to fight Mayweather then YDSAB.

 

[OmaIR1]

Also let's not forget, everyone is saying Mayweather should fight Pacman next but if it's not Pacman then it has to be Khan.

No one even know/cares about Brook so to think he is equally deserving of a fight against Floyd after fighting 31 tomato cans and 1 good fighter is laughable.

 

[shaz619]

Also let's not forget, everyone is saying Mayweather should fight Pacman next but if it's not Pacman then it has to be Khan.

No one even know/cares about Brook so to think he is equally deserving of a fight against Floyd after fighting 31 tomato cans and 1 good fighter is laughable.

Exactly, i don't get shaykh then he goes as far as saying that fighting quality doesn't help your box office appeal or stock just because Brook fought bums Amirs Fanbase is not limited to the UK, he has one in America to and he had to start from scratch there but he elevated himself by facing world class fighters and it's his style to which is exciting to watch even when he's not trading its beautiful to see blistering combinations from the fastest hands in the sport.

 

[shaz619]

Also Shaykh you talk as if God blessed Khan with a fan base in the UK and handed him an Olympic medal LOL his glittering amateur career had nothing to do with that right

 

[OmaIR1]

Exactly, i don't get shaykh then he goes as far as saying that fighting quality doesn't help your box office appeal or stock just because Brook fought bums Amirs Fanbase is not limited to the UK, he has one in America to and he had to start from scratch there but he elevated himself by facing world class fighters and it's his style to which is exciting to watch even when he's not trading its beautiful to see blistering combinations from the fastest hands in the sport.

that's why I found it funny when brook was crying during the khan v alexander fight that he had it the hard way and khan had it the easy way

erm... Brook has fought 31 tomato cans at the comfort of his home, ducked timothy bradley and alexander.. the only thing he can get credit for is beating porter in the US but now Brook is back in the UK and is going to fight Jo Jo Dan next (another bum) and he deserves the mayweather fight?

mean while khan had a devastating loss to prescott then had to relocate to the US away from family and build his status there, last 13 opponents are more or less well known, lost to garcia along the way but again picked himself up and headlined at MGM.... beat Alexander like no other.

Yup, brook has had it the hard way... ahaah

 

[kabirg]

Here is a fun little stat for people who are stating brook is as deserving as khan to fight mayweather:

Khan opponents - Wins 719, Losses 157

Brook opponents - Wins 622, Losses 917

why are you using triangle theories to justify brook is better than khan. this is boxing my friend and style matters. Mayweather has been fighting the same kind of fighters in his last 7-8 fights. heavy punchers but slow fighters none of his last few opponents were really fast. Mayweather needs to fight pacquiao or khan next who are known for their speed. I don't know how you can compare the khan victory over alexander to brooks victory over porter. In one fight khan schooled alexander while brook beat porter with just a few points and some people were still saying that porter won and it was a steal. Khan has beaten kotelnik, maidana, collazo ( who knocked out ortiz in his last fight before he fought khan in 2nd round), devon alexander. One victory over porter which was not comprehensive and he is on the same level as khan? and then people claim khan had it easy lol olympic medalist at 17? and that thurman comment I hope you meant it as a joke.

 

[Atif]

Also Shaykh you talk as if God blessed Khan with a fan base in the UK and handed him an Olympic medal LOL his glittering amateur career had nothing to do with that right

He's always been a Khan hater.


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[OmaIR1]

Here is a fun little stat for people who are stating brook is as deserving as khan to fight mayweather:

Khan opponents - Wins 719, Losses 157

Brook opponents - Wins 622, Losses 917

why are you using triangle theories to justify brook is better than khan. this is boxing my friend and style matters. Mayweather has been fighting the same kind of fighters in his last 7-8 fights. heavy punchers but slow fighters none of his last few opponents were really fast. Mayweather needs to fight pacquiao or khan next who are known for their speed. I don't know how you can compare the khan victory over alexander to brooks victory over porter. In one fight khan schooled alexander while brook beat porter with just a few points and some people were still saying that porter won and it was a steal. Khan has beaten kotelnik, maidana, collazo ( who knocked out ortiz in his last fight before he fought khan in 2nd round), devon alexander. One victory over porter which was not comprehensive and he is on the same level as khan? and then people claim khan had it easy lol olympic medalist at 17? and that thurman comment I hope you meant it as a joke.

thank you.

you hit every point there is.

i hear kell brook is fighting the mighty Jo Jo Dan next, he must deserve mayweather after that lol.

 

[shaz619]

thank you.

you hit every point there is.

i hear kell brook is fighting the mighty Jo Jo Dan next, he must deserve mayweather after that lol.

To be fair he's coming from a serious injury, didn't he get stabbed? tbh his camp were never going to fight Khan next.

Apparently, Paulie is interested in coming out of retirement to fight Brook in the UK.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ar...oxing-eyes-title-shot-against-Kell-Brook.html

That would be a great fight for UK boxing fans, especially me and [MENTION=131867]London_Lahori[/MENTION] both being big fans of paule we'd probably head to the slums of Sheffield

 

[London_Lahori]

To be fair he's coming from a serious injury, didn't he get stabbed? tbh his camp were never going to fight Khan next.

Apparently, Paulie is interested in coming out of retirement to fight Brook in the UK.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ar...oxing-eyes-title-shot-against-Kell-Brook.html

That would be a great fight for UK boxing fans, especially me and [MENTION=131867]London_Lahori[/MENTION] both being big fans of paule we'd probably head to the slums of Sheffield

Paulie is the man! Anything for a bit of Magic.

 

[London_Lahori]

Though we'd probably get chased out of Sheffield [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] )

 

[London_Lahori]

Brook is as deserving as Khan to fight Mayweather? ) ) )

That's brilliant comedy right there.

 

[shaz619]

Though we'd probably get chased out of Sheffield [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] )

Lmao, you're not welcome in sheffield! there would be bigger bums there then in birmingham. I would go watch that fight and support Paulie, he is past his best but would have a good chance to beat brook given his style

 

[shaz619]

Brook is as deserving as Khan to fight Mayweather? ) ) )

That's brilliant comedy right there.

It must be comedy, because shaykh is good poster am surprised really and he knows quiet a bit bwt boxing but when someone makes statements like that their fanboyism makes them lose all credibility. It's a joke man has to be.

 

[Atif]

To be fair he's coming from a serious injury, didn't he get stabbed? tbh his camp were never going to fight Khan next.

Apparently, Paulie is interested in coming out of retirement to fight Brook in the UK.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ar...oxing-eyes-title-shot-against-Kell-Brook.html

That would be a great fight for UK boxing fans, especially me and [MENTION=131867]London_Lahori[/MENTION] both being big fans of paule we'd probably head to the slums of Sheffield

Apparently he got stabbed by a cocaine dealer.


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[shaz619]

Apparently he got stabbed by a cocaine dealer.


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Something like that, may have got himself involved with the wrong people

 

[Amjid Javed]

Andre Ward joins Roc Nation Sports, looks like he might be getting back in the ring soon which is good news, hope he moves up to light heavyweight and fights stevenson or kovalev as no will be a match for him at SWM.

 

[OmaIR1]

Apparently, Broner declined a 40 mil contract with RocNation.

All the Haymon fighters are going to spell trouble for boxing in the future.. fighters like Danny Garcia (who have been released from GBP) are going to continue to cherry pick on a 3rd network. Shame for boxing, really.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Ward says hes looking to be back in ring march/april question is once hes had a warm up bout or two who actually is out there to challenge him.

Pac man V mayweather - Rumours have it Pac man has signed all contracts and now waiting on floyd to sign

Thurman to fight robert guerrero in March...

So question now is who is Khan going to fight? Giving ultimatums to Mayweather and calling him a coward etc... is pure stupidty. khan needs to get in ring with someone who can hit hard and is a top fighter at his weight.

 

[shaz619]

Ward says hes looking to be back in ring march/april question is once hes had a warm up bout or two who actually is out there to challenge him.

Pac man V mayweather - Rumours have it Pac man has signed all contracts and now waiting on floyd to sign

Thurman to fight robert guerrero in March...

So question now is who is Khan going to fight? Giving ultimatums to Mayweather and calling him a coward etc... is pure stupidty. khan needs to get in ring with someone who can hit hard and is a top fighter at his weight.

Hopefully Froch doesn't retire when Ward is done with his warm-up.

There's no guarantee that the pac/may fight will happen, when I see the two in a boxing ring then I'll believe it. If the fight doesn't happen, i guess Khan would be the alternative.

Well you have floyd a guy that was bigging up Khan and his fanbase a year ago before saying "who is khan" after his impressive win of Alexander what do you expect Khan to do lick floyds bum? the last time he did that he was shafted anyhow we know how Floyd is a notorious ducker and stylistically Khan is not ideal for him especially with that ellte hand-speed. I'd call floyd a coward to, regardless of whether you give a douche like floyd respect he will always be an A-hole. Besides Manny, Khan is the most interesting opponent I'd like to see Floyd in the ring with tbh. Floyd doesn't have many fights left now.

There are not too many top 10 welters out there that are keen to fight Khan at the moment. I wanted to see him in the ring with Gurrero but he outpriced himself so they went with the Alexander fight. If Floyd/Pac is confirmed Khan will fight on the undercard, why does it have to be an out an out 'puncher'? so long he is in the ring with a top fighter in the welter div i see no problem plus with problems with his punch resistance in the past it would be stupid at this point to get in the ring with a guy that has heavy hands. Timothy Bradley is the ideal opponent imo or if his team/camp are confident I'd go for Broner or Maidana again.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Shaz,

Robert Guerrero v Keith Thurman
Peterson vs. Garcia
Broner v Molina Junior
Pac man v Mayweather (Possibly)
Lucas Matthysse v Ruslan Provodnikov (Possibly)
Brook V Opponent to be decided (March)

These are all likely to be fights taking place in 1st half of the year so the question is now for Khan who exactly can he arrange a fight with that would be seen as a credible opponent, Bradley right now might be the only option for Khan.

I can see Khan beatin bradley (Yes he seems to be highly ranked) but ive not really seen to much from bradley to say that hes a real top boxer. Yes he has a few good victories on this record but hes looked very poor in his last two fights.

The big fight khan craves wont happen early this year.

 

[Amjid Javed]

oh shaun porter could be another fighter for Khan to face but the way both he and Khan fight it would make for ugly viewing interms of a spetacle

 

[shaz619]

Shaz,

Robert Guerrero v Keith Thurman
Peterson vs. Garcia
Broner v Molina Junior
Pac man v Mayweather (Possibly)
Lucas Matthysse v Ruslan Provodnikov (Possibly)
Brook V Opponent to be decided (March)

These are all likely to be fights taking place in 1st half of the year so the question is now for Khan who exactly can he arrange a fight with that would be seen as a credible opponent, Bradley right now might be the only option for Khan.

I can see Khan beatin bradley (Yes he seems to be highly ranked) but ive not really seen to much from bradley to say that hes a real top boxer. Yes he has a few good victories on this record but hes looked very poor in his last two fights.

The big fight khan craves wont happen early this year.

Everyone is busy I guess. You are right about Bradley he doesn't seem like the sort of guy that has set the boxing world on fire but he's still a top fighter and has some pretty impressive wins under his belt. He's not exactly stylish and lacks power, perhaps that has something to do with his overall appeal. In that regard he's underrated. Best option for Khan is Bradley at the moment. I don't really want him to face the guy who Brook beat even though his name carries more weight then Kell, he's rebuilding after that losing the belt so not much momentum to be gained.

Two other opponents that would be interesting are Marquez and Maidana, am not sure what Marquez is up to but Maidana is free. I think Marquez v Khan could be a great fight and spectacle on paper what do you think? and he could fight Maidana but that would be too dangerous. A win over Marquez would help his stock a bit more then a win over Bradley even though Brad beat the mexican.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Everyone is busy I guess. You are right about Bradley he doesn't seem like the sort of guy that has set the boxing world on fire but he's still a top fighter and has some pretty impressive wins under his belt. He's not exactly stylish and lacks power, perhaps that has something to do with his overall appeal. In that regard he's underrated. Best option for Khan is Bradley at the moment. I don't really want him to face the guy who Brook beat even though his name carries more weight then Kell, he's rebuilding after that losing the belt so not much momentum to be gained.

Two other opponents that would be interesting are Marquez and Maidana, am not sure what Marquez is up to but Maidana is free. I think Marquez v Khan could be a great fight and spectacle on paper what do you think? and he could fight Maidana but that would be too dangerous. A win over Marquez would help his stock a bit more then a win over Bradley even though Brad beat the mexican.

Marquez is recovering from knee injury and i think if he doesnt recover from it 100% i doubt he will fight again. Maidana would be a good choice again for Khan, Khan fought pretty well for 1st 8 rounds of the fight but then seem to run out of gas and was lucky in 10th round the ref got in the way when he got by maidana as he would have been finished off by him i reckon. Other outside options could be victor ortiz or andre berto maybe but both of them have most more fights then they have won recently so we may end up seeing Khan inactive now until the summer.

I think he should focus on trying to get a match against Kell brook as that would be a fight a lot of fans in UK would like to see. I think khans advisors have done a very poor job in last 12-18 months in getting khan in the ring against really top rated creditable opponents. Maybe after Danny garcia khan should push for a rematch because if he actually boxed and moved for 12 round he would beat Garcia, instead of getting cocky and getting reckless and in process getting knocked out like he did in 1st fight.

 

[shaz619]

Marquez is recovering from knee injury and i think if he doesnt recover from it 100% i doubt he will fight again. Maidana would be a good choice again for Khan, Khan fought pretty well for 1st 8 rounds of the fight but then seem to run out of gas and was lucky in 10th round the ref got in the way when he got by maidana as he would have been finished off by him i reckon. Other outside options could be victor ortiz or andre berto maybe but both of them have most more fights then they have won recently so we may end up seeing Khan inactive now until the summer.

I think he should focus on trying to get a match against Kell brook as that would be a fight a lot of fans in UK would like to see. I think khans advisors have done a very poor job in last 12-18 months in getting khan in the ring against really top rated creditable opponents. Maybe after Danny garcia khan should push for a rematch because if he actually boxed and moved for 12 round he would beat Garcia, instead of getting cocky and getting reckless and in process getting knocked out like he did in 1st fight.

He took a beating in the 10th round there was no help from the bell nor did the bell save him like it saved Maidana in the first or second round i think when he went down after that body shot, Khan was able to sustain the punishment because of his fantastic conditioning thanks to Alex Ariza. However Maidana has improved slightly since then and after some impressive performances his stock has risen so the fight makes sense for Khan and Maidana who'd want to avenge the loss. But like i said before it's a dangerous fight for Khan. That's true and for that reason i don't see the Garcias agreeing to a Khan fight plus didn't they say somewhere that they would not give him a rematch or something i can't remmeber? I don't think Amir was being cocky he was just reckless and out of control because garcias father had said "Pakis can't fight" his emotions got the best of him that night, he wanted to Kill Danny and left himself open for that counter left hook I think to the back of the neck that was nasty.

 

[shaz619]

A shame about Marquez one of my all time favourite fighters i hope he recovers but he should have retired a while back but it seems age had not prevent him from performing at the highest level for a long period, if he recovers the prospect of a fight with Khan is very appealing to me as a fan.

 

[shaz619]

no help from the ref nor the bell***

 

[Amjid Javed]

A shame about Marquez one of my all time favourite fighters i hope he recovers but he should have retired a while back but it seems age had not prevent him from performing at the highest level for a long period, if he recovers the prospect of a fight with Khan is very appealing to me as a fan.

I think if Marquez doesnt fully recover he shouldnt fight again, there is no point carrying on as a shadow of your former self if your performances arent up to scratch anymore, some boxers have done that and i hope marquez doesnt.

Interms of you mentioning the Garcia fight yeah Khan left himself open to getting hit by a big shot because when he comes in close he likes to reel off his combinations and stays in the pocket to long and that opens himself to be hit by a big shot. Against alexander we saw an improvement in Khan that he would let his combos go but then also move back into position to stop himself from being counter punched. Alexandes movement was realy poor and slow in the khan fight one because khan imposed himself early and was two quick for alexander but once alexander also lost confidence in had no plan B and kept plodding forward and kept getting picked off.

 

[Amjid Javed]

A shame about Marquez one of my all time favourite fighters i hope he recovers but he should have retired a while back but it seems age had not prevent him from performing at the highest level for a long period, if he recovers the prospect of a fight with Khan is very appealing to me as a fan.

I think if Marquez doesnt fully recover he shouldnt fight again, there is no point carrying on as a shadow of your former self if your performances arent up to scratch anymore, some boxers have done that and i hope marquez doesnt.

Interms of you mentioning the Garcia fight yeah Khan left himself open to getting hit by a big shot because when he comes in close he likes to reel off his combinations and stays in the pocket to long and that opens himself to be hit by a big shot. Against alexander we saw an improvement in Khan that he would let his combos go but then also move back into position to stop himself from being counter punched. Alexandes movement was realy poor and slow in the khan fight one because khan imposed himself early and was two quick for alexander but once alexander also lost confidence in had no plan B and kept plodding forward and kept getting picked off and i think better boxers wouldnt move around as slow as that and allow Khan the luxury of letting go of combos without reply.

 

[Anchorman]

So if the Mayweather/Pacquiao bout does go down? What are your predictions?

 

[shaz619]

I think if Marquez doesnt fully recover he shouldnt fight again, there is no point carrying on as a shadow of your former self if your performances arent up to scratch anymore, some boxers have done that and i hope marquez doesnt.

Interms of you mentioning the Garcia fight yeah Khan left himself open to getting hit by a big shot because when he comes in close he likes to reel off his combinations and stays in the pocket to long and that opens himself to be hit by a big shot. Against alexander we saw an improvement in Khan that he would let his combos go but then also move back into position to stop himself from being counter punched. Alexandes movement was realy poor and slow in the khan fight one because khan imposed himself early and was two quick for alexander but once alexander also lost confidence in had no plan B and kept plodding forward and kept getting picked off and i think better boxers wouldnt move around as slow as that and allow Khan the luxury of letting go of combos without reply.

To be fair compared to other fighters like Roy Jones he hasn't done terribly as he got older, but no doubt it seems age has caught up with him. His reflex's are not what they use to be, to compensate for that he bulked up and added some more power to his repertoire but it's only going to get him so far because he isn't at that stage in his career where his speed and movement allow him to land those flush power shots at will. Ring IQ will always be there but there comes a time when your body just stops responding to the heart and brain. But yeah it's better to leave on his feet rather then his stool.

I think in that Alexander fight Khan only lunged in forward once, his patience is an improvement though. Virgil seems to be the only trainer that has been strict on his defence, good career move. But it remains to be seen if he can replicate such a controlled performance when he gets hit by a fighter that has more power, in the past his instincts would take over and he'd want to trade rather then clinching, getting a bit dirty when needed etc

 

[shaz619]

So if the Mayweather/Pacquiao bout does go down? What are your predictions?

Mayweather by Majority decision or Manny by Knockout seriously though floyd would be the favourite, his technical ability as a counter puncher is still the best in the world and Manny is just not the same fighter he was in 2008/09 but that's not me saying Manny is some washed up has been either he can still go but past his peak. It's an intriguing fight, Manny still has fast hands so he ought to cause Floyd some problems. I'd be routing for Manny though would be poetic justice if he knocked out that douche Floyd and go down as the greatest fighter of the 21st century.

 

[shaykh]

Khan has been left out in the cold again...

Floyd is actually taking a legitimate fight finally...this actually look like it can happen ...they left that to marinate a while lol...

And some decent bouts being signed...Guerrero V Thurman...I'll be interested to see how much Guerrero is getting paid...this is however a very good fight for both fighters...

Molina I tip to batter Broner or at least I hope he does...

In terms of the previous posts no way Khan/Marquez or Khan/Bradley happens...id be a big fan of the latter in particular but too many promotional issues...I do think people underrate Bradley...the guy beat JMM convincingly and he still cant get credit...

So which welterweights don't have fights?...

Khan,Porter, Chaves, Devon...

Brook from my understanding will face his mandatory Ionut Dan on March 28th and then wants to fight Khan in the summer...

Like it or not with all these other fights going on and Kell being committed to fighting immediately after this defense Brook/Khan is the logical fight now...

 

[shaz619]

Bradley wouldn't fancy Khan anyway imo he ducked him before as well, regardless of promotional issues it's a fight that should be made because it makes most sense. Both are top fighters in the welter div but given that Brad is underrated a win over him would not do so much for khan unfortunately. Brook v Khan will be bigger when Brook establishes himself by fighting real boxers, more financial reward to be gained then as well. Khan will not benefit from fighting Kell in terms of his search for a Manny or Floyd.

 

[shaykh]

Bradley wouldn't fancy Khan anyway imo he ducked him before as well, regardless of promotional issues it's a fight that should be made because it makes most sense. Both are top fighters in the welter div but given that Brad is underrated a win over him would not do so much for khan unfortunately. Brook v Khan will be bigger when Brook establishes himself by fighting real boxers, more financial reward to be gained then as well. Khan will not benefit from fighting Kell in terms of his search for a Manny or Floyd.

Who else is available?...

You can't have this both ways...you use the argument that Kell should target real boxers but then say real boxers shouldn't fight him...Khan isn't an elite fighter so targeting him is targeting a real boxer...

Neither was Alexander but Khan fought him...the only fight better than Brook in terms of availability is Maidana...and if Khan takes that then its a better fight than Brook...

 

[shaz619]

Who else is available?...

You can't have this both ways...you use the argument that Kell should target real boxers but then say real boxers shouldn't fight him...Khan isn't an elite fighter so targeting him is targeting a real boxer...

Neither was Alexander but Khan fought him...the only fight better than Brook in terms of availability is Maidana...and if Khan takes that then its a better fight than Brook...

That fight should happen am not saying it shouldn't but why now when Kell should elevate his name by making some defences first against top welters, the fight would be bigger and the buyrate on box office would do good numbers. Khan is an elite fighter, the quality of his opponents and box office appeal vindicate that. Kell fought bums and tbh at this stage he isn't even worthy of being in the same ring as Khan, he's only a champion by name after just about beating Porter

What about Alexander? Yeah he's better of fighting Maidana.

 

[I Believe in the Teesra]

bOXINNG'S all fixed anyway.

 

[shaykh]

That fight should happen am not saying it shouldn't but why now when Kell should elevate his name by making some defences first against top welters, the fight would be bigger and the buyrate on box office would do good numbers. Khan is an elite fighter, the quality of his opponents and box office appeal vindicate that. Kell fought bums and tbh at this stage he isn't even worthy of being in the same ring as Khan, he's only a champion by name after just about beating Porter

What about Alexander? Yeah he's better of fighting Maidana.

Lol that is rubbish...Khan has NEVER beaten an elite fighter...and im not even cussing him...you're overstating his achievements...the majority of fighters in the division are in the same boat...

Tier 1 - Floyd, Manny
Tier 2 - Bradley, JMM
Tier 3 - Maidana, Khan, Brook, Thurman, Guerrero, Chaves, Porter, Sadam Ali

All of these guys in Tier 3 should be fighting each other...

Btw by your logic Thurman doesnt belong in the ring with Guerrero...its a rubbish argument again...you can claim all you want that Khan has a better resume but all this nonsense about earning a fight with Khan is amusing...

Is Collazo better than Brook?...Alexander?...Molina?...yet Kell can't earn a fight with Khan...

Anyone from Tier 1 + 2 can turn down anyone from the tier below for not being good enough...the rest have no reason not to fight each other...

 

[shaz619]

Lol that is rubbish...Khan has NEVER beaten an elite fighter...and im not even cussing him...you're overstating his achievements...the majority of fighters in the division are in the same boat...

Tier 1 - Floyd, Manny
Tier 2 - Bradley, JMM
Tier 3 - Maidana, Khan, Brook, Thurman, Guerrero, Chaves, Porter, Sadam Ali

All of these guys in Tier 3 should be fighting each other...

Btw by your logic Thurman doesnt belong in the ring with Guerrero...its a rubbish argument again...you can claim all you want that Khan has a better resume but all this nonsense about earning a fight with Khan is amusing...

Is Collazo better than Brook?...Alexander?...Molina?...yet Kell can't earn a fight with Khan...

Anyone from Tier 1 + 2 can turn down anyone from the tier below for not being good enough...the rest have no reason not to fight each other...

There should be a Tier 4 or 5 For Brook, @ you building him up on the same level of Khan when he has fought bums with only one name on his resume that is worth mentioning.

You're only throwing words in my mouth and making assumptions based on your interpretation of my logic which you can't seen to grasp given your adulation for Kell Brook

 

[I Believe in the Teesra]

Kell BROCK IS THE BEST!

 

[shaykh]

There should be a Tier 4 or 5 For Brook, @ you building him up on the same level of Khan when he has fought bums with only one name on his resume that is worth mentioning.

You're only throwing words in my mouth and making assumptions based on your interpretation of my logic which you can't seen to grasp given your adulation for Kell Brook

Lol you are hilarious...

Do tell me who Lamont Peterson beat before he fought Khan...im not cussing the fight...I said there and then that Lamont was a legitimate opponent but tell me who he beat prior to Khan...Victor Cayo is your answer ...Peterson beat a bum, lost to Bradley via shutout and got a gift draw against Ortiz...yet Brook isn't good enough to fight Khan ...

Who did Danny Garcia beat?...he came in as underdog but no-one was saying he didn't earn his fight...but who did he beat?...the might Kendall Holt and a shot Morales...yet Brook isn't good enough to fight Khan...Garcias reputation occurred after beating Khan and then beating Matthysse...he did nothing special to earn a fight against Khan...

Carlos Molina...should I really go there? ...

Julio Diaz...the amusing thing is he EARNED his fight with Khan cos he got a draw with Porter...

Collazo...took his first relevant fight in 5 years and came in as a fighter Ortiz should beat...Ortiz quit like a baby and Collazo earned his shot at Khan...yet again Brook needs to do more...

Alexander...beaten convincingly by Shawn Porter and then beat an average fighter in Karass and earned his shot...you can talk about his resume all you like but he lost to Bradley, Kotelnik and Matthysse...his best win is Maidana...but this was back in 2012...

So I am not cussing these fighters...Alexander albeit disappointing isn't an illegitimate fight...Peterson and Garcia are legitimate fights...the rest are questionable...fact is Brook has that one big win...that over Porter which is better than Petersons victory over Cayo and better than Garcias win over Holt...its also better than Alexanders win over Karass...

You need to tell me who belongs in the ring with Khan? ...

 

[shaz619]

Lol you are hilarious...

Do tell me who Lamont Peterson beat before he fought Khan...im not cussing the fight...I said there and then that Lamont was a legitimate opponent but tell me who he beat prior to Khan...Victor Cayo is your answer ...Peterson beat a bum, lost to Bradley via shutout and got a gift draw against Ortiz...yet Brook isn't good enough to fight Khan ...

Who did Danny Garcia beat?...he came in as underdog but no-one was saying he didn't earn his fight...but who did he beat?...the might Kendall Holt and a shot Morales...yet Brook isn't good enough to fight Khan...Garcias reputation occurred after beating Khan and then beating Matthysse...he did nothing special to earn a fight against Khan...

Carlos Molina...should I really go there? ...

Julio Diaz...the amusing thing is he EARNED his fight with Khan cos he got a draw with Porter...

Collazo...took his first relevant fight in 5 years and came in as a fighter Ortiz should beat...Ortiz quit like a baby and Collazo earned his shot at Khan...yet again Brook needs to do more...

Alexander...beaten convincingly by Shawn Porter and then beat an average fighter in Karass and earned his shot...you can talk about his resume all you like but he lost to Bradley, Kotelnik and Matthysse...his best win is Maidana...but this was back in 2012...

So I am not cussing these fighters...Alexander albeit disappointing isn't an illegitimate fight...Peterson and Garcia are legitimate fights...the rest are questionable...fact is Brook has that one big win...that over Porter which is better than Petersons victory over Cayo and better than Garcias win over Holt...its also better than Alexanders win over Karass...

You need to tell me who belongs in the ring with Khan? ...

You're a funny guy and your fanboyism of Kell is obvious, but honestly he doesn't compare to any of Khan's opponents. The fact is he fought bums throughout his career is not the sought of name even after a win over Porter to improve Khans stock in search for a big fight. He's not worthy of being in the ring with him tbh

 

[shaykh]

You're a funny guy and your fanboyism of Kell is obvious, but honestly he doesn't compare to any of Khan's opponents. The fact is he fought bums throughout his career is not the sought of name even after a win over Porter to improve Khans stock in search for a big fight. He's not worthy of being in the ring with him tbh

Lol so in short you can't refute a single point...

Lamont only beat bums...Garcia only beat bums...try and refute if you can...in Garcias case he got a gift against Theophane too...

I suppose you think Victor Cayo and Kendall Holt are fantastic fighters now? ...