BPL vs Global T20 clash - Which league will foreigners prefer?

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Then what is the source of the news about the new signings,or is it from the official website or from any BCB/BPL's official?

Team sites and local newspapers are the main sources

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

I know but I think that's a mistake.

In any case, it's one thing to say the BPL is not primarily intended to develop local talent, but it's another to embark on initiatives which are actually regressive and will harm local player development.

I don't think it's a mistake at all. Even me also don't count any tamasha leagues as a platform of grooming any young talent. Talents come out of a good domestic is the best.

 

[idrizzy]

Whichever pays more.

 

[Executioner]

There are 8 teams and each can field 6 players and there are 14+ matches per side. No need to worry.

PSL had 5 teams and 7 players pier side last time and a lot of talents were missing out.

BPL PSL aren't meant to groom local talent. They are meant to achieve a lot of goals that includes

Money from.revenue
Infrastructure development
Getting sponsors
A domestic T20 tournament for players getting practice
Grooming talent
Identifying talent or finding potential players for a T20 series

 

[Executioner]

BPL's issue is that pitches aren't good because several matches in the same venue

 

[MMHS]

I think, there is a confusion regarding "Pay as you play" concept. Posters are thinking it as a merry go round, mercenary system where every foreign player will land previous night & leave after one match - it's actually not like that.

The reality of modern day cricket is that apart from IPL & ICC events, no cricket can enjoy a dedicated window. Therefore, for such Leagues, it's not possible to build a team/squad like they do in Club football, with 2 transfer windows & the squad remains fixed (& the FIFA/UEFA schedules are coordinated as well). BPL has to be flexible in this regard, to ensure maximum participation as well as it has to see the commercial interests as well.

"PAYP" doesn't mean that teams are going to change their squad everyday; rather I am sure most of the teams already have fixed their 5/6 foreigners, based on International/other T20 schedules, but this system helps franchises to better manage their budget/financials. In a team game, no team can perform without a stable squad, which I am sure every BPL coaching staff knows; but at the same time, T20 Leagues demand poster boys. For commercial interest, teams do need names like Gayle, Afridi, Sanga, Amir, Strac, AB, Smith, Stokes or Bravo, but if they are to book these players for entire period - cost won't be manageable, neither everyone is available even for blank cheque. Rather, I am sure what every team'll do is they'll keep their core of "average" foreign recruits intact for whole tournament and hire 1/2 big names time to time on high "match fee" - this one for the Millennial fan base, who rather than watching cricket (or supporting their City Franchise), are more interested for a selfi, which eventually has made Zukerberg $65bn richer in a decade & still booming.

For example, keeping Amir, Gayle, Butler, Shadab or Anjelo .... isn't effectively possible because of International schedules, financially also extremely taxing; BUT if the hiring is "locked", that means teams have two options - 1. either don't pick risky "star" names, or 2. blow your budget for 1/2 names & with remaining amount, buy below average players - that actually reduces the overall quality and yet that risk of International call remains. Rather, this formula gives them an option to balance between cricket and branding. I am sure, every team will use their core foreigners for most matches, but in between, they'll bring 1/2 star names, which is fine - you need your product to cater for every market strata. They have kept cap of 4 foreigners in a match day XI either way, therefore not sure how it's hurting BD players? I don't think BD players are that arrogant to get upset sharing their breakfast today with Butler, next morning with Amir.

Regarding, developing players, I don't think, a 5 weeks T20 tournament helps developing the players, neither it scouts young talents - or other way, if it's believed to be serving that, then it's a bigger problem. I in fact would have loved to see them blocking any U21 BD player to play in BPL - this'll help in 2 ways - 1. it keeps the age cheats in check & 2. it doesn't damage their cricket fundamentals, before maturing. It'll be disaster, if BCB starts to believe that instead of their year long several development programs and the FC season, youngsters better learn the tricks from 5 weeks "induction", be it even with the likes of Smith, Gayle, AB, Styen, Stokes, Root, Amla, Will or Kohli. Cricket skills are not like a Midas touch...

For me, the only purpose of T20 leagues & that's why I do support all these PLs & SLs, is to provide financial muscle, that could be channelized in to domestic FC system, academies, coaching & medical staffs, training facilities, country wide scouting networks, skill development camps and most importantly, a financial model that ensures a decent assured periodic payment, medical facilities & injury insurance to top 100+ pro cricketers of the country under central contract of FC teams. As long as BCB doesn't lose their focus in this area, I don't mind BPL franchises bringing new faces everyday, as long as TV, Gate & Logo money is there.

I am laughing at few posts regarding the "demerits" of Pay as you play concept - because, the problem isn't with the system, problem is that, it's introduced by BPL. Someone, please convince me, why I should stop laughing - but hope it's not like "did BPL pay their players ..." way ........ hopefully.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

I think, there is a confusion regarding "Pay as you play" concept. Posters are thinking it as a merry go round, mercenary system where every foreign player will land previous night & leave after one match - it's actually not like that.

The reality of modern day cricket is that apart from IPL & ICC events, no cricket can enjoy a dedicated window. Therefore, for such Leagues, it's not possible to build a team/squad like they do in Club football, with 2 transfer windows & the squad remains fixed (& the FIFA/UEFA schedules are coordinated as well). BPL has to be flexible in this regard, to ensure maximum participation as well as it has to see the commercial interests as well.

"PAYP" doesn't mean that teams are going to change their squad everyday; rather I am sure most of the teams already have fixed their 5/6 foreigners, based on International/other T20 schedules, but this system helps franchises to better manage their budget/financials. In a team game, no team can perform without a stable squad, which I am sure every BPL coaching staff knows; but at the same time, T20 Leagues demand poster boys. For commercial interest, teams do need names like Gayle, Afridi, Sanga, Amir, Strac, AB, Smith, Stokes or Bravo, but if they are to book these players for entire period - cost won't be manageable, neither everyone is available even for blank cheque. Rather, I am sure what every team'll do is they'll keep their core of "average" foreign recruits intact for whole tournament and hire 1/2 big names time to time on high "match fee" - this one for the Millennial fan base, who rather than watching cricket (or supporting their City Franchise), are more interested for a selfi, which eventually has made Zukerberg $65bn richer in a decade & still booming.

For example, keeping Amir, Gayle, Butler, Shadab or Anjelo .... isn't effectively possible because of International schedules, financially also extremely taxing; BUT if the hiring is "locked", that means teams have two options - 1. either don't pick risky "star" names, or 2. blow your budget for 1/2 names & with remaining amount, buy below average players - that actually reduces the overall quality and yet that risk of International call remains. Rather, this formula gives them an option to balance between cricket and branding. I am sure, every team will use their core foreigners for most matches, but in between, they'll bring 1/2 star names, which is fine - you need your product to cater for every market strata. They have kept cap of 4 foreigners in a match day XI either way, therefore not sure how it's hurting BD players? I don't think BD players are that arrogant to get upset sharing their breakfast today with Butler, next morning with Amir.

Regarding, developing players, I don't think, a 5 weeks T20 tournament helps developing the players, neither it scouts young talents - or other way, if it's believed to be serving that, then it's a bigger problem. I in fact would have loved to see them blocking any U21 BD player to play in BPL - this'll help in 2 ways - 1. it keeps the age cheats in check & 2. it doesn't damage their cricket fundamentals, before maturing. It'll be disaster, if BCB starts to believe that instead of their year long several development programs and the FC season, youngsters better learn the tricks from 5 weeks "induction", be it even with the likes of Smith, Gayle, AB, Styen, Stokes, Root, Amla, Will or Kohli. Cricket skills are not like a Midas touch...

For me, the only purpose of T20 leagues & that's why I do support all these PLs & SLs, is to provide financial muscle, that could be channelized in to domestic FC system, academies, coaching & medical staffs, training facilities, country wide scouting networks, skill development camps and most importantly, a financial model that ensures a decent assured periodic payment, medical facilities & injury insurance to top 100+ pro cricketers of the country under central contract of FC teams. As long as BCB doesn't lose their focus in this area, I don't mind BPL franchises bringing new faces everyday, as long as TV, Gate & Logo money is there.

I am laughing at few posts regarding the "demerits" of Pay as you play concept - because, the problem isn't with the system, problem is that, it's introduced by BPL. Someone, please convince me, why I should stop laughing - but hope it's not like "did BPL pay their players ..." way ........ hopefully.

To avoid any payment issue BPL introduced this system and they have succeeded in last BPL. It is now the best policy rather than auction system. BPL did very good job introducing this system though I know many haters don't like if anything good happens with bd or BCB or BPL but it's their problem. After introducing this system BPL diminished every payment issue and well done by them. It will be best t20 league after IPL from now on I am sure

 

[Eagle_Eye]

I think, there is a confusion regarding "Pay as you play" concept. Posters are thinking it as a merry go round, mercenary system where every foreign player will land previous night & leave after one match - it's actually not like that.

The reality of modern day cricket is that apart from IPL & ICC events, no cricket can enjoy a dedicated window. Therefore, for such Leagues, it's not possible to build a team/squad like they do in Club football, with 2 transfer windows & the squad remains fixed (& the FIFA/UEFA schedules are coordinated as well). BPL has to be flexible in this regard, to ensure maximum participation as well as it has to see the commercial interests as well.

"PAYP" doesn't mean that teams are going to change their squad everyday; rather I am sure most of the teams already have fixed their 5/6 foreigners, based on International/other T20 schedules, but this system helps franchises to better manage their budget/financials. In a team game, no team can perform without a stable squad, which I am sure every BPL coaching staff knows; but at the same time, T20 Leagues demand poster boys. For commercial interest, teams do need names like Gayle, Afridi, Sanga, Amir, Strac, AB, Smith, Stokes or Bravo, but if they are to book these players for entire period - cost won't be manageable, neither everyone is available even for blank cheque. Rather, I am sure what every team'll do is they'll keep their core of "average" foreign recruits intact for whole tournament and hire 1/2 big names time to time on high "match fee" - this one for the Millennial fan base, who rather than watching cricket (or supporting their City Franchise), are more interested for a selfi, which eventually has made Zukerberg $65bn richer in a decade & still booming.

For example, keeping Amir, Gayle, Butler, Shadab or Anjelo .... isn't effectively possible because of International schedules, financially also extremely taxing; BUT if the hiring is "locked", that means teams have two options - 1. either don't pick risky "star" names, or 2. blow your budget for 1/2 names & with remaining amount, buy below average players - that actually reduces the overall quality and yet that risk of International call remains. Rather, this formula gives them an option to balance between cricket and branding. I am sure, every team will use their core foreigners for most matches, but in between, they'll bring 1/2 star names, which is fine - you need your product to cater for every market strata. They have kept cap of 4 foreigners in a match day XI either way, therefore not sure how it's hurting BD players? I don't think BD players are that arrogant to get upset sharing their breakfast today with Butler, next morning with Amir.

Regarding, developing players, I don't think, a 5 weeks T20 tournament helps developing the players, neither it scouts young talents - or other way, if it's believed to be serving that, then it's a bigger problem. I in fact would have loved to see them blocking any U21 BD player to play in BPL - this'll help in 2 ways - 1. it keeps the age cheats in check & 2. it doesn't damage their cricket fundamentals, before maturing. It'll be disaster, if BCB starts to believe that instead of their year long several development programs and the FC season, youngsters better learn the tricks from 5 weeks "induction", be it even with the likes of Smith, Gayle, AB, Styen, Stokes, Root, Amla, Will or Kohli. Cricket skills are not like a Midas touch...

For me, the only purpose of T20 leagues & that's why I do support all these PLs & SLs, is to provide financial muscle, that could be channelized in to domestic FC system, academies, coaching & medical staffs, training facilities, country wide scouting networks, skill development camps and most importantly, a financial model that ensures a decent assured periodic payment, medical facilities & injury insurance to top 100+ pro cricketers of the country under central contract of FC teams. As long as BCB doesn't lose their focus in this area, I don't mind BPL franchises bringing new faces everyday, as long as TV, Gate & Logo money is there.

I am laughing at few posts regarding the "demerits" of Pay as you play concept - because, the problem isn't with the system, problem is that, it's introduced by BPL. Someone, please convince me, why I should stop laughing - but hope it's not like "did BPL pay their players ..." way ........ hopefully.

So in summary..... BPL is too poor to afford them for the entire duration....

Let's call it out for what it is... Bangladesh Pauper League

 

[Executioner]

So in summary..... BPL is too poor to afford them for the entire duration....

Let's call it out for what it is... Bangladesh Pauper League

The companies can pay more than a fair amount of money if they want but they will have a certain amount to pay.

BPL pays hefty amount to players. Bear in mind some teams have like 8-9 players at their bench at all times.

Top Players are being paid in excess of 100,000 USD for 10 off matches while some much more. Gayle was to be paid 35000 USD per match in BPL 2.

 

[Executioner]

It has nothing to do with being poor. Just the fact that players will be paid as long as they are available which is a good deal as this means they will be paid a hefty amount for whatever matches they are being paid for.

 

[Titan24]

There are 8 teams and each can field 6 players and there are 14+ matches per side. No need to worry.

PSL had 5 teams and 7 players pier side last time and a lot of talents were missing out.

BPL PSL aren't meant to groom local talent. They are meant to achieve a lot of goals that includes

Money from.revenue
Infrastructure development
Getting sponsors
A domestic T20 tournament for players getting practice
Grooming talent
Identifying talent or finding potential players for a T20 series

But now there are going to be six teams. Even with 5 teams PSL produced (or showcased) more talent than many other leagues with their emerging player rule which meant that people will see 5 young talented players and their ability to handle pressure.

 

[Harpoon]

"Pay as you play" contract and that allows booking unlimited foreigners with 2 major conditions -
1. A player can't play for multiple teams in a single season
2. There is a cap on highest no. of foreigners in one starting XI (4, I believe).

So you shouldn't be surprised even if AB, Smith, Root or if allowed Kohli turning for 1/2 matches and paid obnoxiously.

Terrible idea. This means none of the foreign players are locked in. And if global t20 offers a contract, every single player the bpl teams are listing will go to global t20.
Even the players who do come for a match or two will have no team loyalty.
Worst idea ive ever heard. Whats BCB smoking??

 

[mak36]

Not sure why some posters get on the defensive. As a neutral in the matter, I assessed the facts and came to a conclusion that PAYP is a terrible idea. I gave clear reasoning in my original post. I wouldn't change my mind if the BPL, CPL, IPL etc introduced the policy- I would still say it was a terrible idea especially when it is combined with the new rule that increases the number of foreigners in the playing XI (to five).

It's a strawman (and a very insulting one at that) to say that people criticising the idea only do so because they don't like Bangladesh. That's a very defensive attitude- just remember, the ability to take criticism is a sign of maturity.

 

[cricketerB94]

Terrible idea. This means none of the foreign players are locked in. And if global t20 offers a contract, every single player the bpl teams are listing will go to global t20.
Even the players who do come for a match or two will have no team loyalty.
Worst idea ive ever heard. Whats BCB smoking??

Yes it is looking like a very unprofessional idea at the moment. Let's see how this works out. BD posters, as usual have their patriotic glasses on and they can't see obvious unprofessionalism in this idea and calling others fool.

 

[Executioner]

Yes it is looking like a very unprofessional idea at the moment. Let's see how this works out. BD posters, as usual have their patriotic glasses on and they can't see obvious unprofessionalism in this idea and calling others fool.

Not denying there is issue with the PAP but let's be honest BPL is during a cricket heavy season.

For BPL there is no foolproof plan for player payment. But last year PAP was used and the players seemed happy which is why they are returning again. Ask Afridi and co.

 

[MMHS]

Terrible idea. This means none of the foreign players are locked in. And if global t20 offers a contract, every single player the bpl teams are listing will go to global t20.
Even the players who do come for a match or two will have no team loyalty.
Worst idea ive ever heard. Whats BCB smoking??

My 2nd post explains the reason of this payment mood. It sounds terrible to you because it's from Bangladesh & you couldn't see the lines in between. Money can't ensure participation for entire period because of international schedules.

Also, as I said most posters jumped into criticizing the model because it's BPL; otherwise you could have noticed that at least half a dozen PAK players are now playing in County T20 leagues for few number of matches here & there - that's just another form of PAYP. I suggest you stop smoking whatever, if you are looking for players' loyalty in T20 leagues, which has a draft contract every year after 10-13 matches.

 

[MMHS]

Yes it is looking like a very unprofessional idea at the moment. Let's see how this works out. BD posters, as usual have their patriotic glasses on and they can't see obvious unprofessionalism in this idea and calling others fool.

I also think, we should wait to see how it works before levelling it unprofessional - there are few other major leagues worked on this way in other sports - notably Euro league basketball (which can't contract NBA players for full season), and MSL, which hires players from European soccer leagues during summer off seasons & opposite (European clubs hire few MSL players) in winter break.

Also, this payment model is effectively used in every T20 leagues, even IPL in another form. In IPL, players are paid their contract amount on pro-rata basis, as long as the withdrawal is from players side, that's national call or self withdrawal, but players are paid if they are benched as per team decision or injury. For example, few months back SAF players were withdrawn from IPL, and the players will be paid for the matches they played under certain rules as per contract. Same is done in County T20 as well - Sarfraz was supposed to play for 6/7 matches, which is absolutely another form of PAYP.

Don't jump into conclusion at face value - not every BD poster wears patriotic glasses for the sake of it.

 

[MMHS]

Not sure why some posters get on the defensive. As a neutral in the matter, I assessed the facts and came to a conclusion that PAYP is a terrible idea. I gave clear reasoning in my original post. I wouldn't change my mind if the BPL, CPL, IPL etc introduced the policy- I would still say it was a terrible idea especially when it is combined with the new rule that increases the number of foreigners in the playing XI (to five).

It's a strawman (and a very insulting one at that) to say that people criticising the idea only do so because they don't like Bangladesh. That's a very defensive attitude- just remember, the ability to take criticism is a sign of maturity.

Matuarity is in to understanding a new concept & which circumstances it's being introduced, not by whom. Constructive criticism is welcome, as long as it has proper logic. At least now I see there is IPL, CPL in it, so fair enough.

There is another thread going on, regarding the quality of foreign recruits in BPL, and most comments there are not so polite, still you should have noticed that not everyone jumped into respond there. Keeping perspective fair & straight won't bring reactions from those who knows whose who.

 

[MMHS]

So in summary..... BPL is too poor to afford them for the entire duration....

Let's call it out for what it is... Bangladesh Pauper League

Thanks God that you are back, I was feeling guilty of forcing you out of this thread. I was always hoping you should post some for the entertainment value of it.

Regarding BPL & it's payment method, which I explained in my post; sadly your comprehension skill is too limited to understand this part -

1. either don't pick risky "star" names, or 2. blow your budget for 1/2 names & with remaining amount, buy below average players - that actually reduces the overall quality and yet that risk of International call remains. Every T20 league will be poor at a certain level, if there is a Cap on bidding amounts - in fact every Club, even Sheihk Mansoor's Manchester City is bounded by Financial Fair Play, Pep can't bring another CB without off loading some from his current roster. Hope, the last line doesn't go above head again.

You can call it whatever you wish, it reflects yourself, more than BPL.

 

[mak36]

Matuarity is in to understanding a new concept & which circumstances it's being introduced, not by whom. Constructive criticism is welcome, as long as it has proper logic. At least now I see there is IPL, CPL in it, so fair enough.

There is another thread going on, regarding the quality of foreign recruits in BPL, and most comments there are not so polite, still you should have noticed that not everyone jumped into respond there. Keeping perspective fair & straight won't bring reactions from those who knows whose who.

Two wrongs don't make a right. If posters are silly enough to make immature comments (about Bangladesh or any other country) then that's a reflection on them. But equally when you start writing posts that are very defensive and start seeing everything as a conspiracy against Bangladesh then that too is a problem.

Executioner has been the most reasonable Bangladeshi fan in this thread- he has acknowledged he has his doubts with PAYP but he has then gone on to engage in reasonable discussion about the wider context, rather than resorting to insulting posters/making false accusations as you have done.

 

[MMHS]

Two wrongs don't make a right. If posters are silly enough to make immature comments (about Bangladesh or any other country) then that's a reflection on them. But equally when you start writing posts that are very defensive and start seeing everything as a conspiracy against Bangladesh then that too is a problem.

Executioner has been the most reasonable Bangladeshi fan in this thread- he has acknowledged he has his doubts with PAYP but he has then gone on to engage in reasonable discussion about the wider context, rather than resorting to insulting posters/making false accusations as you have done.

[MENTION=130260]Executioner[/MENTION] is a good boy, to his credit; but ask his honest comments - he didn't understand what exactly is PAYP concept, so went in between. But, he is good in heart, no doubt. Every such league is PAYP - in fact most sports are PAYP, do you think McGregor'll be paid full if he chokes outs before landing in the ring? It's just few months - once the BPL is over, we'll be able to see which players have played how many matches and how much rotation is done by the teams. Before that, it shouldn't be leveled as a terrible idea. Every new concept is introduced to counter some issues from previous experiences, as long as it's introduced in good spirit and after proper due diligence.

I don't call names in my post - if someone doesn't have any "agenda to make a point", it won't touch him. And, I never respond to trolls, unless I am tagged. You don't know how many posts are deleted by Mods, that are tagged to me and I can see who was the initiator of the post - but it never bothers me, won't induce a response either.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Thanks God that you are back, I was feeling guilty of forcing you out of this thread. I was always hoping you should post some for the entertainment value of it.

Regarding BPL & it's payment method, which I explained in my post; sadly your comprehension skill is too limited to understand this part -

1. either don't pick risky "star" names, or 2. blow your budget for 1/2 names & with remaining amount, buy below average players - that actually reduces the overall quality and yet that risk of International call remains. Every T20 league will be poor at a certain level, if there is a Cap on bidding amounts - in fact every Club, even Sheihk Mansoor's Manchester City is bounded by Financial Fair Play, Pep can't bring another CB without off loading some from his current roster. Hope, the last line doesn't go above head again.

You can call it whatever you wish, it reflects yourself, more than BPL.

Pushed out of this thread?.... news to me, having delusions again?

I am not in the habit of writing padded essays like you do.

Yet again you make irrelevant comparisons .... Man City have the money BPL doesn't!! You are poor they are rich, the financial rules exist to ensure the rich don't buy up all the good players. Whereas your pay structure exists to ensure you can afford to pay! See the difference? You remind of the guys in council flats in tower hamlets who hire fancy cars and then park outside their houses to show off, and pretend to others your some sort of a big shot who can afford it..... but the squalid locality sort of gives it away...

 

[MMHS]

Pushed out of this thread?.... news to me, having delusions again?

I am not in the habit of writing padded essays like you do.

Yet again you make irrelevant comparisons .... Man City have the money BPL doesn't!! You are poor they are rich, the financial rules exist to ensure the rich don't buy up all the good players. Whereas your pay structure exists to ensure you can afford to pay! See the difference? You remind of the guys in council flats in tower hamlets who hire fancy cars and then park outside their houses to show off, and pretend to others your some sort of a big shot who can afford it..... but the squalid locality sort of gives it away...

Good, keep that FFP post intact, it reflects your reach on writing long essay. FFP was introduced to ensure that Clubs don't spend more than 30mn on their net annual turnover, so that when the sugar dads run out of their illegal cash, clubs don't end like Portsmouth or Leeds United. I understand, where you see the difference - it's football vs cricket. I see the similarity in a sports financial management that forces clubs to be financially stable & don't overspend to get bankrupt.

That tower hamlet story must be true, if it's written from experience; I don't know, so can't comment on the feelings.

 

[cricketerB94]

I also think, we should wait to see how it works before levelling it unprofessional - there are few other major leagues worked on this way in other sports - notably Euro league basketball (which can't contract NBA players for full season), and MSL, which hires players from European soccer leagues during summer off seasons & opposite (European clubs hire few MSL players) in winter break.

Also, this payment model is effectively used in every T20 leagues, even IPL in another form. In IPL, players are paid their contract amount on pro-rata basis, as long as the withdrawal is from players side, that's national call or self withdrawal, but players are paid if they are benched as per team decision or injury. For example, few months back SAF players were withdrawn from IPL, and the players will be paid for the matches they played under certain rules as per contract. Same is done in County T20 as well - Sarfraz was supposed to play for 6/7 matches, which is absolutely another form of PAYP.

Don't jump into conclusion at face value - not every BD poster wears patriotic glasses for the sake of it.

I don't know about the leagues of other sports but in cricket, if we look at IPL, BBL, Natwest, PSL, CPL, all these leagues have settled squads before starting their league. There is a limit on number of players. There is a limit on the number of international players per squad. Every squad is decided beforehand and a player gets exchanged ONLY when he have an injury or he has to go for international duty. In both the cases - injury and international duty - the replacement is named after the injury or when the player is very close to leave for international duty, to give him the security of his place in the team and number of players in squad rule. Sarfraz and Fakhar are replacements for both the players on international duty and they were approached only when the players were named in their respective international squads.
In PSL, the replacements for any such incidents are decided beforehand and only two international players are named per squad initially.
In BPL, I have seen first time that so many international players are signed by one team in a league. But as someone said above, this is not the first time they are doing this. They have done it last year and there were no issues so I'll put my unprofessional claims at hold at the moment.

 

[Executioner]

[MENTION=130260]Executioner[/MENTION] is a good boy, to his credit; but ask his honest comments - he didn't understand what exactly is PAYP concept, so went in between. But, he is good in heart, no doubt. Every such league is PAYP - in fact most sports are PAYP, do you think McGregor'll be paid full if he chokes outs before landing in the ring? It's just few months - once the BPL is over, we'll be able to see which players have played how many matches and how much rotation is done by the teams. Before that, it shouldn't be leveled as a terrible idea. Every new concept is introduced to counter some issues from previous experiences, as long as it's introduced in good spirit and after proper due diligence.

I don't call names in my post - if someone doesn't have any "agenda to make a point", it won't touch him. And, I never respond to trolls, unless I am tagged. You don't know how many posts are deleted by Mods, that are tagged to me and I can see who was the initiator of the post - but it never bothers me, won't induce a response either.

Hehe lol at good boy.

I am a man who has interest in video games, psychology, engineering Since I don't completely understand the concept I didn't really comment.

But I believe you are more into management so all these PAYP system is something I would not understand unless I read an article.

However I will stick by my word that if it works then it's a good decision. Recently there has been no payment fiasco and top players are keen to play in Bangladesh. Why else would Buttler or Williamson sign up?

The government probably is trying to find a viable solution to the problems BPL has faced. They need to be given credit for being able to arrange BPL after the fixing and payment issues of previous editions.

BCB is so strict that it's almost impossible for players to be involved in fixing or around fixers. A certain Imad Wasim didn't fix but he may have been mingled with the wrong people and hence we probably won't see him this BPL when rest of his teammates have been selected for the tournament. A local BD player too has been banned from BPL for similar reasons.

Criticism for BPL would be the lack of stadiums and poor videography/design and lack of advertisement. They have increased number of venues, advertised this BPL and also it's also likely now that the other tv channels who are given responsibility will provide better service than the farce called Channel 9

 

[mak36]

I don't know about the leagues of other sports but in cricket, if we look at IPL, BBL, Natwest, PSL, CPL, all these leagues have settled squads before starting their league. There is a limit on number of players. There is a limit on the number of international players per squad. Every squad is decided beforehand and a player gets exchanged ONLY when he have an injury or he has to go for international duty. In both the cases - injury and international duty - the replacement is named after the injury or when the player is very close to leave for international duty, to give him the security of his place in the team and number of players in squad rule. Sarfraz and Fakhar are replacements for both the players on international duty and they were approached only when the players were named in their respective international squads.
In PSL, the replacements for any such incidents are decided beforehand and only two international players are named per squad initially.

Good post.

 

[MMHS]

I don't know about the leagues of other sports but in cricket, if we look at IPL, BBL, Natwest, PSL, CPL, all these leagues have settled squads before starting their league. There is a limit on number of players. There is a limit on the number of international players per squad. Every squad is decided beforehand and a player gets exchanged ONLY when he have an injury or he has to go for international duty. In both the cases - injury and international duty - the replacement is named after the injury or when the player is very close to leave for international duty, to give him the security of his place in the team and number of players in squad rule. Sarfraz and Fakhar are replacements for both the players on international duty and they were approached only when the players were named in their respective international squads.
In PSL, the replacements for any such incidents are decided beforehand and only two international players are named per squad initially.
In BPL, I have seen first time that so many international players are signed by one team in a league. But as someone said above, this is not the first time they are doing this. They have done it last year and there were no issues so I'll put my unprofessional claims at hold at the moment.

BPL squads are also fixed mostly, but they have kept the option to bring the showmen on short notice - that's brand building, not cricket. If you notice carefully, I did mention that every coaching staff knows how difficult it's to operate with a musical chair squad. What IPL does can't be replicated, because BPL can't force players to withdraw from internationals (read their boards to arrange bilateral tours in IPL window), neither can monopolies players in BPL only commitment, therefore instead of losing the player (s) all together, it's a compromise choice. But, you'll see that most of the starting XI are built around 8/9 core players, who'll play almost every match. Cricket is a game of individual skills - surely it won't happen that teams are replacing one bowler with a ️ batsman and playing one bowler short just because the star is available for one match.

But, at the end, BPL is a money making machine - I would welcome anything than increases the bottom line. You probably have noticed that I post more on even domestic First class cricket or U19 cricket than IPL, BPL, PSL or CPL - because, I don't watch much of it, let alone follow it; my interest is only limited to one item - bottom line. I don't think making retired great Kevin Petersen BPL poster boy would make it better in terms of effectiveness, shining for some may be, but I am not in that group. BPL is doing perfectly as long as that bottom line gets fatter, rest are just not cricket.

 

[MMHS]

Good post.

Indeed, and he got the answer from me as well in that manner. However, somehow you missed a little part of his post that makes it incomplete. Let me help you to add that little part you have deleted - must be an unintentional mistake, I don't expect that from mature posters like you -

In BPL, I have seen first time that so many international players are signed by one team in a league. But as someone said above, this is not the first time they are doing this. They have done it last year and there were no issues so I'll put my unprofessional claims at hold at the moment.


Now, it's indeed a good post.

 

[mak36]

Indeed, and he got the answer from me as well in that manner. However, somehow you missed a little part of his post that makes it incomplete. Let me help you to add that little part you have deleted - must be an unintentional mistake, I don't expect that from mature posters like you -

In BPL, I have seen first time that so many international players are signed by one team in a league. But as someone said above, this is not the first time they are doing this. They have done it last year and there were no issues so I'll put my unprofessional claims at hold at the moment.


Now, it's indeed a good post.

No, it was intentional. He made a comment earlier (ie calling it unprofessional) which he is now putting on hold- I don't see how that has anything to do with me so I didn't quote it. I would have thought you could work that much out.

For what it's worth, I have read your response but I am not convinced- I still think his criticisms are valid. That said brother, i'm glad to see you are actually engaging in discussion now, rather than seeing everything as a conspiracy.

 

[MMHS]

Hehe lol at good boy.

I am a man who has interest in video games, psychology, engineering Since I don't completely understand the concept I didn't really comment.

But I believe you are more into management so all these PAYP system is something I would not understand unless I read an article.

However I will stick by my word that if it works then it's a good decision. Recently there has been no payment fiasco and top players are keen to play in Bangladesh. Why else would Buttler or Williamson sign up?

The government probably is trying to find a viable solution to the problems BPL has faced. They need to be given credit for being able to arrange BPL after the fixing and payment issues of previous editions.

BCB is so strict that it's almost impossible for players to be involved in fixing or around fixers. A certain Imad Wasim didn't fix but he may have been mingled with the wrong people and hence we probably won't see him this BPL when rest of his teammates have been selected for the tournament. A local BD player too has been banned from BPL for similar reasons.

Criticism for BPL would be the lack of stadiums and poor videography/design and lack of advertisement. They have increased number of venues, advertised this BPL and also it's also likely now that the other tv channels who are given responsibility will provide better service than the farce called Channel 9

I know few of people around BPL - never think that this PAYP came from hollow air and it's now going to be a circus show.

I give you a perspective from past, if you can recall - in some BPL Final, Dhaka team (forgot the franchise name, Dynamite probably), kept their budget at hand (by some tricks, can't recall, probably didn't hire enough high paid foreigners, rather picked almost all top BD players at higher price) and made the final - then on short notice called Nazir, Ajmal & Afridi for one match - Final, probably against Barisal, who were completely surprised, and deprived as well, because couple their foreigners had left by that time. Unofficial secret is that both PAK star were contracted (& paid) in advance out side BPL bidding cap, and they withdrew their names from draft, so that no team could hire them during draft. Then, they were allowed to play as replacement of faked injury....... That example is during when there was a fixed squad concept and it ended up in financial scam. T20 franchise is a new concept, it's long away to reach mature stage. On top of that, the owners are not the saints to be honest.

I expect BPL wickets to improve better this time, but still as long as it's played around OCT-NOV, just after rainy season, I don't think we'll get those flat batting belters. But, I don't mind, as long as it's not cutting the season pie from FC tournament between JAN - APR; T20 can be played under sun or moon or rain, First Class matches need proper season & better wickets.

 

[MMHS]

No, it was intentional. He made a comment earlier (ie calling it unprofessional) which he is now putting on hold- I don't see how that has anything to do with me so I didn't quote it. I would have thought you could work that much out.

For what it's worth, I have read your response but I am not convinced- I still think his criticisms are valid. That said brother, i'm glad to see you are actually engaging in discussion now, rather than seeing everything as a conspiracy.

Buddy, you have to get more mature in this game. I am on a leave today, so I have time to carry on, you know ....

Maturity is to appreciate one post as it's origin - filtering partially that part which fits only something to do with own-self doesn't look mature, because that edited part could have fitted someone else's bill as well in an open forum - I believe now you can work out, why you can't appreciate a post after editing it, deleting the part where he has changed his view ("he is now putting on hold").

You have to work out it from "neutral" point of view - it's can't be "Good Post", only for that part you agree - it has to be good for that part as well, which doesn't have anything with you. Which means, you don't want to keep it in same space, neither ready to accept someone else's view. Had you posted it like "I agree", absolutely no issues - you can agree with anything, any part, but don't you think that if anyone else appreciates those few lines you deleted - it'll look like a conspiracy?

Every criticism is valid, but only we can get convinced/unconvinced after the end result. Any operation model is modified to fit in ground reality of a given country context. For example, Scouting in North American sports is done by draft system and it's working fantastically there, but not sure about that being implemented in every scope of PAK domestic cricket. I am convinced with the draft system for NBA or MLB, but not sure for PAK Cup or Quaid E Azam trophy - am I contradicting if I criticize or appreciate Draft system as a whole?

 

[mak36]

Buddy, you have to get more mature in this game. I am on a leave today, so I have time to carry on, you know ....

Maturity is to appreciate one post as it's origin - filtering partially that part which fits only something to do with own-self doesn't look mature, because that edited part could have fitted someone else's bill as well in an open forum - I believe now you can work out, why you can't appreciate a post after editing it, deleting the part where he has changed his view ("he is now putting on hold").

You have to work out it from "neutral" point of view - it's can't be "Good Post", only for that part you agree - it has to be good for that part as well, which doesn't have anything with you. Which means, you don't want to keep it in same space, neither ready to accept someone else's view. Had you posted it like "I agree", absolutely no issues - you can agree with anything, any part, but don't you think that if anyone else appreciates those few lines you deleted - it'll look like a conspiracy?

Every criticism is valid, but only we can get convinced/unconvinced after the end result. Any operation model is modified to fit in ground reality of a given country context. For example, Scouting in North American sports is done by draft system and it's working fantastically there, but not sure about that being implemented in every scope of PAK domestic cricket. I am convinced with the draft system for NBA or MLB, but not sure for PAK Cup or Quaid E Azam trophy - am I contradicting if I criticize or appreciate Draft system as a whole?

I didn't realise you were the ultimate judge of what can and cannot be said. There's a certain irony in that, given your posts tend to be very verbose.

I said "good post" to the part I quoted which was most of the OP. If you would rather I had written "I agree" then so be it- I will allow you that happiness as clearly it means so much to you. It's pretty clear to posters why you are doing this- I called you out in this thread earlier and now you can't let it go. I expected better from you to be honest, but so be it.

By your own admission, you have time to waste but I don't so I won't carry on this conversation. Until next time brother.

 

[Harpoon]

It sounds terrible to you because it's from Bangladesh & you couldn't see the lines in between. Money can't ensure participation for entire period because of international schedules.

What a load of croc! So any criticism of BCB is an attack on bangladesh and its people?? Grow up will ya!

Also, as I said most posters jumped into criticizing the model because it's BPL; otherwise you could have noticed that at least half a dozen PAK players are now playing in County T20 leagues for few number of matches here & there - that's just another form of PAYP.

Wrong example. The country sides have settled squads. The players that are there for limited matches are there for a pre-agreed time and number of matches. Depending upon their availability. Thats NOT the model you or BCB are proposing based upon BCB deciding to lay one match and not the next. And then call them back again using the super dumb PAYG system. Thats a recipe for disaster and no, that has nothing to do with being anti bangladeshi.

I suggest you stop smoking whatever, if you are looking for players' loyalty in T20 leagues, which has a draft contract every year after 10-13 matches.

There you go again. Attacking me because i attacked BCB. Stop taking things personally. An attack on BCB is NOT an attack on you or on bangladesh. Ill let your statement go this time and hopefully you will grow up and learn to tell the difference between a personal attack and an attack on an organization.

 

[MMHS]

What a load of croc! So any criticism of BCB is an attack on bangladesh and its people?? Grow up will ya!



Wrong example. The country sides have settled squads. The players that are there for limited matches are there for a pre-agreed time and number of matches. Depending upon their availability. Thats NOT the model you or BCB are proposing based upon BCB deciding to lay one match and not the next. And then call them back again using the super dumb PAYG system. Thats a recipe for disaster and no, that has nothing to do with being anti bangladeshi.



There you go again. Attacking me because i attacked BCB. Stop taking things personally. An attack on BCB is NOT an attack on you or on bangladesh. Ill let your statement go this time and hopefully you will grow up and learn to tell the difference between a personal attack and an attack on an organization.

Now, I do realize that none of you have much clue of what is PAYG concept and how it works in a fixed cap budget. I'll explain it with numbers & exact financial context under which BCB went for this structure & I am perfectly OK with it, for the time being. Human nature is always to try finding a hole in any system for personal benefits, therefore may be some owner will find a way to twist it in future, then we'll see another change.

Let's take every BPL Franchise has 10X cap for foreign players - so, the total volume for 8 teams is 80X.

Now, one of the team spends 3X for Amir, 2X each for Bravo & Hasan, 1X each for Imad & Shadab, 0.5X each for Gunaratne & Md. Nabi. So, they have choked their entire budget. Now, if any player leaves for International, (which is pre-scheduled), his team is screwed - they have choked the budget, might not be allowed to replace players either way. But, as the International schedule is already known at draft, teams will tend to avoid risky top players. This was the reason, few years back, every PAK players went unsold in IPL, because Franchise were not sure if GoI will provide Visa to PAK players or not - they didn't risk blocking their Cap for PAK players (money wasn't an issue here - everywhere, if you don't play, you don't get money; the issue was Cap). This eventually will result in lower quality, but safer recruits, or retired cricketers - which gradually will pull down the quality. Make that 10X into 1000X, and the total bucket to 8000X, you can block International schedule or force players out of Central contract - then, some'll end up paying $ quarter million/week to Thymal Mills, which is not possible for BPL, actually by none else.

Exactly the way County teams are contracting players for short term, BPL will also contract players with their schedules and players will be paid as well, if for any injury someone misses out as per his pre-agreed number of matches (or, if a player is benched as per team strategy). It'll be foolish to think that International players will fly to Dhaka and someone will tell them that you are not going to be paid, because Coach has decided to play other 4 foreigners. And, I have mentioned one example in past, where one team kept their foreign quota open and kept their target players out of draft through payments outside their draft Cap - then brought them for the Final.

There is nothing wrong criticizing any organization, as long as you can point the loop hole with examples and justify with logic - covering both sides perspectives. Here, I don't see that consideration from anyone, including you, which isn't the proper way. I quote exactly from your post -

Terrible idea. This means none of the foreign players are locked in. And if global t20 offers a contract, every single player the bpl teams are listing will go to global t20.
Even the players who do come for a match or two will have no team loyalty.
Worst idea ive ever heard. Whats BCB smoking??


Your first point is absolutely wrong - every player is contracted with BPL, it's their payment term is different. You are saying, no player is locked - which is another mistake; even with fixed cap contract, this year few English players left PSL for National duty at it's business end; later SAF players did the same with IPL, therefore I am not sure what locking you are talking about here. And, these players & clubs have signed contract papers knowing the payment terms - if players leave mid way, I am sure it won't be surprise for any club.

Second point is another baloney - how are you sure that every single (foreign) player from BPL will go to global T20? Don't you think that it's foolish of your part to jump into such conclusion without knowing who is going to pay how much to whom?

Your 3rd point is loyalty - again, you haven't understood first point of my initial post & jumped into criticizing BPL. No player is allowed to play for multiple teams in a season, which means - it's not like today someone is going to play for Dhaka, tomorrow for Comilla, because they are willing to pay more. Teams are fixed & they'll play as an unit, not necessarily everyone will get a game, but their loyalty shouldn't be questioned. For example, take Luke Wright - he had to sit out almost every match of last PSL, does that mean his loyalty wasn't with QG? Or other way, because of a player is contracted on PAYG, does that mean, he has no loyalty?
REMEMBER, PAYG doesn't mean, only those 11 playing on match day will be paid - that's the missing clue for everyone here; players called for squad will be paid as per contract, even if he is not in match day squad as per team strategy or injury. This actually allows BPL teams to better manage their finance.

I see lots of fools making a big hue & cry for Barisal Bulls without understanding the reason. Latest BPL ruling is that players will be paid by BPL, as per their contract terms, not individually by the franchises. For that, every team has to pre-deposit their possible maximum pay out in advance, either by cash or bank guarantee, credited to BPL, who'll disburse the amount to players on behalf. Nobody carries a bag load of money these days, rather the bank guarantee is a commitment of bank on behalf of the client, it's as safe as a Pay Order - Barisal failed to convince their bank to take that risk, hence they were dropped from BPL. But, my hunch is, their time'll be extended, or their right'll be bought by someone else - because reducing teams, means less revenue & BPL'll have to return the auction money. May be, due to time constrains, it won't be possible this time, but it has nothing to do with PAYG concept.

I am not blindly supporting BPL, because it's Bangladeshi, rather I can find the reasons for the PAYG model & I am convinced in the check & balance of the system so far. Please do criticize any one - organization or individual (but obviously in civilized manner) - as long as you can put your arguments with logic & examples. Otherwise, grown up people'll catch you every time for your such 3 predictions, based on which you thought PAYG is a terrible idea, innovated by BCB, when they were on high.

 

[Executioner]

Now, I do realize that none of you have much clue of what is PAYG concept and how it works in a fixed cap budget. I'll explain it with numbers & exact financial context under which BCB went for this structure & I am perfectly OK with it, for the time being. Human nature is always to try finding a hole in any system for personal benefits, therefore may be some owner will find a way to twist it in future, then we'll see another change.

Let's take every BPL Franchise has 10X cap for foreign players - so, the total volume for 8 teams is 80X.

Now, one of the team spends 3X for Amir, 2X each for Bravo & Hasan, 1X each for Imad & Shadab, 0.5X each for Gunaratne & Md. Nabi. So, they have choked their entire budget. Now, if any player leaves for International, (which is pre-scheduled), his team is screwed - they have choked the budget, might not be allowed to replace players either way. But, as the International schedule is already known at draft, teams will tend to avoid risky top players. This was the reason, few years back, every PAK players went unsold in IPL, because Franchise were not sure if GoI will provide Visa to PAK players or not - they didn't risk blocking their Cap for PAK players (money wasn't an issue here - everywhere, if you don't play, you don't get money; the issue was Cap). This eventually will result in lower quality, but safer recruits, or retired cricketers - which gradually will pull down the quality. Make that 10X into 1000X, and the total bucket to 8000X, you can block International schedule or force players out of Central contract - then, some'll end up paying $ quarter million/week to Thymal Mills, which is not possible for BPL, actually by none else.

Exactly the way County teams are contracting players for short term, BPL will also contract players with their schedules and players will be paid as well, if for any injury someone misses out as per his pre-agreed number of matches (or, if a player is benched as per team strategy). It'll be foolish to think that International players will fly to Dhaka and someone will tell them that you are not going to be paid, because Coach has decided to play other 4 foreigners. And, I have mentioned one example in past, where one team kept their foreign quota open and kept their target players out of draft through payments outside their draft Cap - then brought them for the Final.

There is nothing wrong criticizing any organization, as long as you can point the loop hole with examples and justify with logic - covering both sides perspectives. Here, I don't see that consideration from anyone, including you, which isn't the proper way. I quote exactly from your post -

Terrible idea. This means none of the foreign players are locked in. And if global t20 offers a contract, every single player the bpl teams are listing will go to global t20.
Even the players who do come for a match or two will have no team loyalty.
Worst idea ive ever heard. Whats BCB smoking??


Your first point is absolutely wrong - every player is contracted with BPL, it's their payment term is different. You are saying, no player is locked - which is another mistake; even with fixed cap contract, this year few English players left PSL for National duty at it's business end; later SAF players did the same with IPL, therefore I am not sure what locking you are talking about here. And, these players & clubs have signed contract papers knowing the payment terms - if players leave mid way, I am sure it won't be surprise for any club.

Second point is another baloney - how are you sure that every single (foreign) player from BPL will go to global T20? Don't you think that it's foolish of your part to jump into such conclusion without knowing who is going to pay how much to whom?

Your 3rd point is loyalty - again, you haven't understood first point of my initial post & jumped into criticizing BPL. No player is allowed to play for multiple teams in a season, which means - it's not like today someone is going to play for Dhaka, tomorrow for Comilla, because they are willing to pay more. Teams are fixed & they'll play as an unit, not necessarily everyone will get a game, but their loyalty shouldn't be questioned. For example, take Luke Wright - he had to sit out almost every match of last PSL, does that mean his loyalty wasn't with QG? Or other way, because of a player is contracted on PAYG, does that mean, he has no loyalty?
REMEMBER, PAYG doesn't mean, only those 11 playing on match day will be paid - that's the missing clue for everyone here; players called for squad will be paid as per contract, even if he is not in match day squad as per team strategy or injury. This actually allows BPL teams to better manage their finance.

I see lots of fools making a big hue & cry for Barisal Bulls without understanding the reason. Latest BPL ruling is that players will be paid by BPL, as per their contract terms, not individually by the franchises. For that, every team has to pre-deposit their possible maximum pay out in advance, either by cash or bank guarantee, credited to BPL, who'll disburse the amount to players on behalf. Nobody carries a bag load of money these days, rather the bank guarantee is a commitment of bank on behalf of the client, it's as safe as a Pay Order - Barisal failed to convince their bank to take that risk, hence they were dropped from BPL. But, my hunch is, their time'll be extended, or their right'll be bought by someone else - because reducing teams, means less revenue & BPL'll have to return the auction money. May be, due to time constrains, it won't be possible this time, but it has nothing to do with PAYG concept.

I am not blindly supporting BPL, because it's Bangladeshi, rather I can find the reasons for the PAYG model & I am convinced in the check & balance of the system so far. Please do criticize any one - organization or individual (but obviously in civilized manner) - as long as you can put your arguments with logic & examples. Otherwise, grown up people'll catch you every time for your such 3 predictions, based on which you thought PAYG is a terrible idea, innovated by BCB, when they were on high.

We'll put by the man himself.

People need to understand that BCB is trying to pull off something which they are capable off. But we know about the obstacles.

The PAYG is good for a league like BPL. Unlike IPL where there is a window, BPL is during a busy season

What payp does it allow for top players to play for a certain period of time and get paid for it. That means teams are inclined to select these top players for those matches but at the same time don't spend too much money on temporary players like say Sarfaraz and spend money on Sanga who will be available throughout.

People keep complaining for no reason but they don't see the end result which is that BPL-5 is likely to have quite a large number of top international cricketers participating something CPL BBL SLPL hasn't done. SLPL was one tournament that had signed a lot of.top players but the pay was so poor that players bailed out. Right now global T20 has only a limited number of players to choose from. Mind you Roy and Malinga are some of the icon foreign players in the global T20 which means not too many quality foreign will participate there.

Besides the global T20 auction is this month and since the players have already been contracted the global T20 will pick other lesser known players and the door for the BPL players will be shut off.

The biggest loss for global T20 is that the subcontinent market will not focus on global T20. Indians won't. Pakistanis will follow BPL a bit and so will Afghanistanis. Bangladesh won't even bother. If global T20 had a different window they would have picked Pak players and someone like Tamim Shakib Fizz Riad and Bangladesh folks would watch their league. Our fans even stay away till 3 in the night to watch Shakib play in the CPL.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Now, I do realize that none of you have much clue of what is PAYG concept and how it works in a fixed cap budget. I'll explain it with numbers & exact financial context under which BCB went for this structure & I am perfectly OK with it, for the time being. Human nature is always to try finding a hole in any system for personal benefits, therefore may be some owner will find a way to twist it in future, then we'll see another change.

Let's take every BPL Franchise has 10X cap for foreign players - so, the total volume for 8 teams is 80X.

Now, one of the team spends 3X for Amir, 2X each for Bravo & Hasan, 1X each for Imad & Shadab, 0.5X each for Gunaratne & Md. Nabi. So, they have choked their entire budget. Now, if any player leaves for International, (which is pre-scheduled), his team is screwed - they have choked the budget, might not be allowed to replace players either way. But, as the International schedule is already known at draft, teams will tend to avoid risky top players. This was the reason, few years back, every PAK players went unsold in IPL, because Franchise were not sure if GoI will provide Visa to PAK players or not - they didn't risk blocking their Cap for PAK players (money wasn't an issue here - everywhere, if you don't play, you don't get money; the issue was Cap). This eventually will result in lower quality, but safer recruits, or retired cricketers - which gradually will pull down the quality. Make that 10X into 1000X, and the total bucket to 8000X, you can block International schedule or force players out of Central contract - then, some'll end up paying $ quarter million/week to Thymal Mills, which is not possible for BPL, actually by none else.

Exactly the way County teams are contracting players for short term, BPL will also contract players with their schedules and players will be paid as well, if for any injury someone misses out as per his pre-agreed number of matches (or, if a player is benched as per team strategy). It'll be foolish to think that International players will fly to Dhaka and someone will tell them that you are not going to be paid, because Coach has decided to play other 4 foreigners. And, I have mentioned one example in past, where one team kept their foreign quota open and kept their target players out of draft through payments outside their draft Cap - then brought them for the Final.

There is nothing wrong criticizing any organization, as long as you can point the loop hole with examples and justify with logic - covering both sides perspectives. Here, I don't see that consideration from anyone, including you, which isn't the proper way. I quote exactly from your post -

Terrible idea. This means none of the foreign players are locked in. And if global t20 offers a contract, every single player the bpl teams are listing will go to global t20.
Even the players who do come for a match or two will have no team loyalty.
Worst idea ive ever heard. Whats BCB smoking??


Your first point is absolutely wrong - every player is contracted with BPL, it's their payment term is different. You are saying, no player is locked - which is another mistake; even with fixed cap contract, this year few English players left PSL for National duty at it's business end; later SAF players did the same with IPL, therefore I am not sure what locking you are talking about here. And, these players & clubs have signed contract papers knowing the payment terms - if players leave mid way, I am sure it won't be surprise for any club.

Second point is another baloney - how are you sure that every single (foreign) player from BPL will go to global T20? Don't you think that it's foolish of your part to jump into such conclusion without knowing who is going to pay how much to whom?

Your 3rd point is loyalty - again, you haven't understood first point of my initial post & jumped into criticizing BPL. No player is allowed to play for multiple teams in a season, which means - it's not like today someone is going to play for Dhaka, tomorrow for Comilla, because they are willing to pay more. Teams are fixed & they'll play as an unit, not necessarily everyone will get a game, but their loyalty shouldn't be questioned. For example, take Luke Wright - he had to sit out almost every match of last PSL, does that mean his loyalty wasn't with QG? Or other way, because of a player is contracted on PAYG, does that mean, he has no loyalty?
REMEMBER, PAYG doesn't mean, only those 11 playing on match day will be paid - that's the missing clue for everyone here; players called for squad will be paid as per contract, even if he is not in match day squad as per team strategy or injury. This actually allows BPL teams to better manage their finance.

I see lots of fools making a big hue & cry for Barisal Bulls without understanding the reason. Latest BPL ruling is that players will be paid by BPL, as per their contract terms, not individually by the franchises. For that, every team has to pre-deposit their possible maximum pay out in advance, either by cash or bank guarantee, credited to BPL, who'll disburse the amount to players on behalf. Nobody carries a bag load of money these days, rather the bank guarantee is a commitment of bank on behalf of the client, it's as safe as a Pay Order - Barisal failed to convince their bank to take that risk, hence they were dropped from BPL. But, my hunch is, their time'll be extended, or their right'll be bought by someone else - because reducing teams, means less revenue & BPL'll have to return the auction money. May be, due to time constrains, it won't be possible this time, but it has nothing to do with PAYG concept.

I am not blindly supporting BPL, because it's Bangladeshi, rather I can find the reasons for the PAYG model & I am convinced in the check & balance of the system so far. Please do criticize any one - organization or individual (but obviously in civilized manner) - as long as you can put your arguments with logic & examples. Otherwise, grown up people'll catch you every time for your such 3 predictions, based on which you thought PAYG is a terrible idea, innovated by BCB, when they were on high.

Perfect post which has all of the system BCB introduced. I was trying to write same to shut the mouth of all nonsense critics of bpl. You wrote it all so I don't need to repeat. Hope all blind BPL haters (read 'psl 2nd best claimers') will understand now . If the don't understand now then they actually don't want to.

 

[Titan24]

Now, I do realize that none of you have much clue of what is PAYG concept and how it works in a fixed cap budget. I'll explain it with numbers & exact financial context under which BCB went for this structure & I am perfectly OK with it, for the time being. Human nature is always to try finding a hole in any system for personal benefits, therefore may be some owner will find a way to twist it in future, then we'll see another change.

Let's take every BPL Franchise has 10X cap for foreign players - so, the total volume for 8 teams is 80X.

Now, one of the team spends 3X for Amir, 2X each for Bravo & Hasan, 1X each for Imad & Shadab, 0.5X each for Gunaratne & Md. Nabi. So, they have choked their entire budget. Now, if any player leaves for International, (which is pre-scheduled), his team is screwed - they have choked the budget, might not be allowed to replace players either way. But, as the International schedule is already known at draft, teams will tend to avoid risky top players. This was the reason, few years back, every PAK players went unsold in IPL, because Franchise were not sure if GoI will provide Visa to PAK players or not - they didn't risk blocking their Cap for PAK players (money wasn't an issue here - everywhere, if you don't play, you don't get money; the issue was Cap). This eventually will result in lower quality, but safer recruits, or retired cricketers - which gradually will pull down the quality. Make that 10X into 1000X, and the total bucket to 8000X, you can block International schedule or force players out of Central contract - then, some'll end up paying $ quarter million/week to Thymal Mills, which is not possible for BPL, actually by none else.

Exactly the way County teams are contracting players for short term, BPL will also contract players with their schedules and players will be paid as well, if for any injury someone misses out as per his pre-agreed number of matches (or, if a player is benched as per team strategy). It'll be foolish to think that International players will fly to Dhaka and someone will tell them that you are not going to be paid, because Coach has decided to play other 4 foreigners. And, I have mentioned one example in past, where one team kept their foreign quota open and kept their target players out of draft through payments outside their draft Cap - then brought them for the Final.

There is nothing wrong criticizing any organization, as long as you can point the loop hole with examples and justify with logic - covering both sides perspectives. Here, I don't see that consideration from anyone, including you, which isn't the proper way. I quote exactly from your post -

Terrible idea. This means none of the foreign players are locked in. And if global t20 offers a contract, every single player the bpl teams are listing will go to global t20.
Even the players who do come for a match or two will have no team loyalty.
Worst idea ive ever heard. Whats BCB smoking??


Your first point is absolutely wrong - every player is contracted with BPL, it's their payment term is different. You are saying, no player is locked - which is another mistake; even with fixed cap contract, this year few English players left PSL for National duty at it's business end; later SAF players did the same with IPL, therefore I am not sure what locking you are talking about here. And, these players & clubs have signed contract papers knowing the payment terms - if players leave mid way, I am sure it won't be surprise for any club.

Second point is another baloney - how are you sure that every single (foreign) player from BPL will go to global T20? Don't you think that it's foolish of your part to jump into such conclusion without knowing who is going to pay how much to whom?

Your 3rd point is loyalty - again, you haven't understood first point of my initial post & jumped into criticizing BPL. No player is allowed to play for multiple teams in a season, which means - it's not like today someone is going to play for Dhaka, tomorrow for Comilla, because they are willing to pay more. Teams are fixed & they'll play as an unit, not necessarily everyone will get a game, but their loyalty shouldn't be questioned. For example, take Luke Wright - he had to sit out almost every match of last PSL, does that mean his loyalty wasn't with QG? Or other way, because of a player is contracted on PAYG, does that mean, he has no loyalty?
REMEMBER, PAYG doesn't mean, only those 11 playing on match day will be paid - that's the missing clue for everyone here; players called for squad will be paid as per contract, even if he is not in match day squad as per team strategy or injury. This actually allows BPL teams to better manage their finance.

I see lots of fools making a big hue & cry for Barisal Bulls without understanding the reason. Latest BPL ruling is that players will be paid by BPL, as per their contract terms, not individually by the franchises. For that, every team has to pre-deposit their possible maximum pay out in advance, either by cash or bank guarantee, credited to BPL, who'll disburse the amount to players on behalf. Nobody carries a bag load of money these days, rather the bank guarantee is a commitment of bank on behalf of the client, it's as safe as a Pay Order - Barisal failed to convince their bank to take that risk, hence they were dropped from BPL. But, my hunch is, their time'll be extended, or their right'll be bought by someone else - because reducing teams, means less revenue & BPL'll have to return the auction money. May be, due to time constrains, it won't be possible this time, but it has nothing to do with PAYG concept.

I am not blindly supporting BPL, because it's Bangladeshi, rather I can find the reasons for the PAYG model & I am convinced in the check & balance of the system so far. Please do criticize any one - organization or individual (but obviously in civilized manner) - as long as you can put your arguments with logic & examples. Otherwise, grown up people'll catch you every time for your such 3 predictions, based on which you thought PAYG is a terrible idea, innovated by BCB, when they were on high.

As I posted earlier in one of the threads,

The big difference made in PSL in terms of grooming talent and giving confidence was by KP, Watto, Sammy and Haddin. So to me experienced cricketer who has just retired from international cricket or is in later part of his career can make more difference in the life of a youngster than e.g Lewis, Rashid Khan, Rabada etc which themselves are still youngsters. For Pakistan talent is there which just needs to be nurtured.

Look at how KP handled Nawaz in season 1 and Hasan Khan in season 2 when he was on mid off.

Look at how Watson praised Raees in season 1 and really wanted him to be selected for Pakistan at that time because he really believed in him.

Look at how Haddin and Watson both handled Shadab and gave him confidence even in few matches when Misbah wasnt their.

Look how Mccullam gave confidence to Fakhar Zaman about his approach and how he should go about it.

Look at how Sammy handled Hassan Ali in season 2.


This is just to give few examples. I cant imagine some younger players like QDE, E Lewis, Rabada etc to help youngsters given they will be of the same age and not a lot of experience under their belt. Although would love to see someone like Warner, AB, Root, Williamson, Amla etc who have both experience as well as the the touch by playing currently. But it depends upon the availability.


Its good to have recently retired players players and thats because they are experienced and understand the players and their talent by just a look so even if Hussey and Clarke play I am sure they are going to groom us some talent.

Experienced players which are retired are good for youngsters while some young overseas talent is good to watch so need a balance of both.

 

[Titan24]

To me purposes of leagues are different.

BPL like some leagues wants to produce talent (if that can be produced to start with) or atleast produce somewhat international quality cricketer. Bangladesh doesnt have a large number of talented players and that is why 5 overseas players rule is being implemented so that quality remains intact.

While in case of Pakistan we always had huge number of talented players which just needed to be groomed and polished.

So PSL wants to groom talent as the talent is already there. As we can see from emerging player rule. So for that experienced players are way to go with combination with good upcoming talent to give the best proportion.

 

[Executioner]

[MENTION=142432]Titan24[/MENTION] I agree PSL has groomed talents

But in BPL we had Sammy last two seasons. Sanga plays in BPL regularly. The likes of Malik Afridi Watto Nabi Williamson are all their to guide the players.

We too are seeing the benefits of BPL as lately BD has been doing better in international cricket.

 

[Harpoon]

Now, if any player leaves for International, (which is pre-scheduled), his team is screwed - they have choked the budget, might not be allowed to replace players either way. But, as the International schedule is already known at draft, teams will tend to avoid risky top players.

Exactly the way County teams are contracting players for short term, BPL will also contract players with their schedules and players will be paid as well, if for any injury someone misses out as per his pre-agreed number of matches (or, if a player is benched as per team strategy).

This above is not a new concept and is there is every league. Even Bangla players left PSL early last season. What radical about that??
PAYG was being presented as some new radical genius idea from BCB. Glad to hear that it's nothing new and stupid being tried. And it's the same old tried and tested model.

 

[MMHS]

This above is not a new concept and is there is every league. Even Bangla players left PSL early last season. What radical about that??
PAYG was being presented as some new radical genius idea from BCB. Glad to hear that it's nothing new and stupid being tried. And it's the same old tried and tested model.

You see, when grown up people explains, you can understand that PAYG is just a payment method, effectively not so terrible, rather similar practice to what's going around in T20 leagues, including IPL, but at different stakes, just with a little flexibility to fit in BPL context - BCB doesn't need to smoke something to invent it. Even with or without PAYG, never believe that players will stick to BPL for the platonic love of it, if money is higher in SAF; or in fact PAK players will leave even without money, if PCB forces them to play domestics.

But, as I said - this is a practice for this time; I myself am not sure how it'll end, but we have to be open for such modifications. Luckily for PSL, it's first 2 editions were when no Ashes or not much cricket somewhere else, but don't ever think that with fixed cap of 200K to top bracket, PSL franchises will risk using their cap for players who could leave after 2/3 matches - KP, Watto, Gayle, Mac bhaias are getting older fast every year. And, don't ever think that I started posting on PAYG for my romanticism, without cross checking history of such sports payment schemes in New York Cosmos, Packer WSC, ICL or some football leagues in China. If it doesn't bring result (or other way, becomes counter productive in terms of net pay off or players' participation), it'll change next year and I'll definitely write then - why so.

 

[MMHS]

As I posted earlier in one of the threads,

The big difference made in PSL in terms of grooming talent and giving confidence was by KP, Watto, Sammy and Haddin. So to me experienced cricketer who has just retired from international cricket or is in later part of his career can make more difference in the life of a youngster than e.g Lewis, Rashid Khan, Rabada etc which themselves are still youngsters. For Pakistan talent is there which just needs to be nurtured.

Look at how KP handled Nawaz in season 1 and Hasan Khan in season 2 when he was on mid off.

Look at how Watson praised Raees in season 1 and really wanted him to be selected for Pakistan at that time because he really believed in him.

Look at how Haddin and Watson both handled Shadab and gave him confidence even in few matches when Misbah wasnt their.

Look how Mccullam gave confidence to Fakhar Zaman about his approach and how he should go about it.

Look at how Sammy handled Hassan Ali in season 2.


This is just to give few examples. I cant imagine some younger players like QDE, E Lewis, Rabada etc to help youngsters given they will be of the same age and not a lot of experience under their belt. Although would love to see someone like Warner, AB, Root, Williamson, Amla etc who have both experience as well as the the touch by playing currently. But it depends upon the availability.


Its good to have recently retired players players and thats because they are experienced and understand the players and their talent by just a look so even if Hussey and Clarke play I am sure they are going to groom us some talent.

Experienced players which are retired are good for youngsters while some young overseas talent is good to watch so need a balance of both.

PSL is good for PAK - it's a catalyst for PAK cricket. If PAK former players and cricket enthusiasts believe that it's effective for them, then so it be.

Though, I would like to see BCB continuing to do what they are doing - that's make possible maximum money out of BPL and reinvest that into FC systems, club cricket, youth programs and tours for A Team, development/academy squads, U19 & U16 teams. Here, make money by any means - if we are happy to accept the "investment" of BPL owners completely aware of their "source", then one shouldn't have any snobbery to make money, by any means - I for someone don't believe that Amir is clean to play for PAK, but dirty to lead the side.

I tend to believe that cricket is learned & developed through FC systems - polishing cricket fundamentals at nets and applying that in match condition. Still not convinced that 5 weeks indulgence with greats in a draft system, where no one knows who's where next time can teach cricket. So for BD players, I would like them to take it for a 5 weeks paid vacation - have fun & remain clean. In fact, I would love to see them altering the rule - 7 foreigners & 4 Deshi, with none U23 picked for match XI, but many of them in the squad with some payment for practicing lot at nets under BPL pro coaches.

I am old dated & might be wrong here, but can't help.

 

[Harpoon]

You see, when grown up people explains, you can understand that PAYG is just a payment method, effectively not so terrible, rather similar practice to what's going around in T20 leagues, including IPL, but at different stakes, just with a little flexibility to fit in BPL context - BCB doesn't need to smoke something to invent it.

Thats one hell of a sentence. Can the grown ups please learn to put a coherent sentence together. Would be greatly appreciated.

I myself am not sure how it'll end, but we have to be open for such modifications.

What modification are you on about? Didn't you just say there is nothing new in this PAYG model and this has been around for ages and everyone already does it and BCB is just copying what everyone else does? So what modification are your referring to. Do elaborate.

 

[light]

there is Rift between the both the board and strong message need to send across to BCB

on the positive note global t20 league is also going on at similar time so players need to try their luck

good pak player will always find a place in any team of global league

if PCB can pay them the amount these leagues are giving than why not they should play FC

I don't think the players themselves gives a rats A. about this sort of stupidity and ideas that you are trying to portrait here. They need to make a living before their time is up. Why in the world would a player want to go play some 4 day matches where as they can just bowl 4 overs and bat for a couple of overs and get that MULLA in a short period of time regardless of if it's BPL or GT20?

 

[saeed5646]

I don't think the players themselves gives a rats A. about this sort of stupidity and ideas that you are trying to portrait here. They need to make a living before their time is up. Why in the world would a player want to go play some 4 day matches where as they can just bowl 4 overs and bat for a couple of overs and get that MULLA in a short period of time regardless of if it's BPL or GT20?

read between the line what i say than jump to conclusion so fast

i will repeat again if players are paid the amount they will get in leagues than they should play domestic

And as for players if they have contract with their board than the board can recall them any time they want

 

[MMHS]

Thats one hell of a sentence. Can the grown ups please learn to put a coherent sentence together. Would be greatly appreciated.



What modification are you on about? Didn't you just say there is nothing new in this PAYG model and this has been around for ages and everyone already does it and BCB is just copying what everyone else does? So what modification are your referring to. Do elaborate.

We are back to squire & I can't go to circles once more. It's explained to my best efforts earlier. In short, the little modifications are -

Fixed number of players drafted for a squad for a bidding amount (which can be fixed or open bidding) as long as the total doesn't cross bidding cap .....

Unlimited players (or not fixed numbers) drafted for a squad for one tournament, as long as the final pay out doesn't cross the bidding cap & one player doesn't end up in multiple teams.

Rest are more or less same - if Amir is paid $35K/match or $500K for entire BPL, paid as pro-rata basis on matches played, don't think it has much to do with his loyalty, commitment or participation - it actually depends on what other alternatives (read GT20 or Quaid E Azam Cup) paying him or what his administration asking him to do in terms of NOC.

 

[Executioner]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...ladesh-premier-league-ashes-cricket-twenty-20

Buttler to be paid 200k pounds for his BPL stint.

So for English players are likely to participate in BPL over Global T20 with the exception of Morgan Hales Wood and Roy whose names have been put forward in the draft for global T20

 

[light]

read between the line what i say than jump to conclusion so fast

i will repeat again if players are paid the amount they will get in leagues than they should play domestic

And as for players if they have contract with their board than the board can recall them any time they want

Clearly they are NOT getting that amount of money in a short amount of time playing FC matches. Why bother bringing up nonsense? You need to re-read what I wrote before jumping to a conclusion yourself.

 

[saeed5646]

Clearly they are NOT getting that amount of money in a short amount of time playing FC matches. Why bother bringing up nonsense? You need to re-read what I wrote before jumping to a conclusion yourself.

do you have list of players salary or you are just are assuming this ?also i used the word ""IF""so please.

 

[light]

do you have list of players salary or you are just are assuming this ?also i used the word ""IF""so please.

The players should not be penalized because of two incompetent board which are ran by brain dead idiot negotiators who can't figure out their crap.

What difference does it make if they have a contract or not with pcb. If PCB wants, they can summon their contracted players whenever they please. We are discussing about why they should be allowed to play. Your arguments are weak. You jump from argument to argument without any base.

 

[Executioner]

Zampa Ben cutting Henriques and Faulkner to play in BPL.

Yes folks no prizes for guessing which league foreigners prefer

 

[Specialisttailender]

Zampa Ben cutting Henriques and Faulkner to play in BPL.

Yes folks no prizes for guessing which league foreigners prefer

Because Global Destination League has no reputation, wait until second season. They will always prefer an established league over a newbie. Players will BPL over PSL in Pakistan however.

 

[shabir kham]

Will Fakhar Zaman play at the BPL or T20 GL?

Which league fakhar will be playing as he is selected in GLT20 but he is also signed to BPL?

 

[cricketjoshila]

If he wants to improve himself he should play in SA.