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Emirates have conquered Pakistan.
Take Karachi, for example. 6 x weekly flights to there from Dubai. And then you have 5 x daily flights from Dubai to Heathrow alone - 4 of them on the A380. Emirates also serves Newcastle, Birmingham, Gatwick and Manchester.
British Airways or anybody else stand no chance.
Not really- there are some folks like me who like to a direct flight with no stop overs- hence only fly with BA or Jet.
Plus what about the American pax flying in from States- again would make more sense to break your journey @ LHR- than having a long trip from states to DXB and then follow on for only 3.5 hour odd flight....
Sure, but I'm talking about Pakistan where the Gulf carriers are the only options aside from PIA.
Yupp and I am merely speculating that there will be pax like me who like to fly directly into a country and wish to avoid trashboats like PIA/AI and thats where BA can come in and plus again for filling the Pakistanis from US wishing to fly into Pak...
BA- one thing I am sure of is that will never die from pilot incompetency or engineering shod job
Emirates have conquered Pakistan.
Take Karachi, for example. 6 x weekly flights to there from Dubai. And then you have 5 x daily flights from Dubai to Heathrow alone - 4 of them on the A380. Emirates also serves Newcastle, Birmingham, Gatwick and Manchester.
British Airways or anybody else stand no chance.
That's just not true. There are many people who would travel on a slightly inferior airline if it meant that the route was direct. If that were not the case then why do people choose PIA (London-Pakistan) ahead of the likes of Emirates?
Commercially BA would do very well out of such a route but I guess the security risk for them just isn't worth .
trust me theres some people who do this (or used to atleast) for patriotic purposes
PIA flies direct. That's why.
BA are overrated, sometimes you get a lovely smooth flight with ice-cool air con and super comfy seats, but there are other times when I have flown with them and they have rolled out a right old banger.
trust me theres some people who do this (or used to atleast) for patriotic purposes
BA are overrated, sometimes you get a lovely smooth flight with ice-cool air con and super comfy seats, but there are other times when I have flown with them and they have rolled out a right old banger.
There are also certain people who will much rather put up with bad service for a 13 hour flight rather than taking a 20-22 hour flight with two stops with excellent service.
It's a little different here in India as there are a dedicated bunch of folks who actively shun the Middle Eastern carriers for various reasons, and this leads to the European or American carriers biting into this market and sending over their premium aircraft (Lufthansa with the 748, Singapore with the A380, British Airways with the 787, American with the 77L etc.) to most cities. Then there are the Indian carriers who give them a run for their money in their own right (AI, Jet, Kingfisher in the past). None of this has occurred in Pakistan, and it appears that the folks who fly to and from there are comfortable enough on Emirates, Qatar and the rest of the Gulf carriers.
I don't think anyone actively shuns the ME3 in India. They don't seem to be reducing frequencies at all.
Some of the FFP types prefer the EU carriers, but quite a lot of them patronize the ME3 as well. The US/Canada bound flights of Emirates, Etihad and Qatar have Indians making up a sizable proportion of the pax.
I think that the Indian market is big enough to accommodate everyone. The only ones losing out are poor old AI. This too might change with the privatization.
And did AA ever fly the 77L to India? I doubt they even have the 77L in their fleet.
Pakistan commercial aviation is a good two decades behind India
By far the flight attendants with the worst attitudes can be found on the US airlines flying on international routes. US laws against age discrimination means that they are usually older and jaded, in their 40s and 50s, whereas many other airlines like Emirates, Singapore Airlines and the Indian airlines the attendants are women in their 20s and early 30s who still think their job is cool.
Last time I flew from Newark to Delhi, I got into an argument with a male steward in his 50s who said he had only vegetarian meals left to serve. Instead of being apologetic, the guy was brusque. I said something like "you know there are sites like tripadvisor and yelp where I could leave your airlines a bad review".
His reply was "If you are threatening me, I will have the pilot turn the plane around". I think he thought I would be cowed at the prospect, but I replied "if you think a review on tripadvisor is a threat then go ahead". After a moment he reconsidered and produced a non-veg "gluten-free" meal for me, which was honestly quite tasteless.
Quite amazing that the guy had the cheek to threaten me, but then again... if you are in your 50s and working as a flight attendant in an industry where airlines regularly go bankrupt and rip off their employees when they do... then the sour attitude should not be a surprise.
By far the flight attendants with the worst attitudes can be found on the US airlines flying on international routes. US laws against age discrimination means that they are usually older and jaded, in their 40s and 50s, whereas many other airlines like Emirates, Singapore Airlines and the Indian airlines the attendants are women in their 20s and early 30s who still think their job is cool.
Last time I flew from Newark to Delhi, I got into an argument with a male steward in his 50s who said he had only vegetarian meals left to serve. Instead of being apologetic, the guy was brusque. I said something like "you know there are sites like tripadvisor and yelp where I could leave your airlines a bad review".
His reply was "If you are threatening me, I will have the pilot turn the plane around". I think he thought I would be cowed at the prospect, but I replied "if you think a review on tripadvisor is a threat then go ahead". After a moment he reconsidered and produced a non-veg "gluten-free" meal for me, which was honestly quite tasteless.
Quite amazing that the guy had the cheek to threaten me, but then again... if you are in your 50s and working as a flight attendant in an industry where airlines regularly go bankrupt and rip off their employees when they do... then the sour attitude should not be a surprise.
BA has by far the worst frequent flyer miles program of the different major airlines I have flown.
Well done PTI
Really good news, coouldn't have come at any better time, planning my first ever trip to Pakistan in Feb In Sha Allah.
Flights start next week. Looking forward to some cheaper flights to Pak when I visit in Dec-Jan.
For too long PIA have used and abused the need for Pakistanis to travel from North America directly to Pakistan. Their ticket prices are comparable to the top notch Middle Eastern ones but service is beyond pathetic.
Emirates is generally too expensive and Etihad isn't much better either. Qatar does not go to Doha directly from Toronto so first I have to travel to Boston or Montreal. Last time I went through Turkish, although the flight and its price were good but the wait at Istanbul airport was too long and Turkish cuisine is probably the worst in the world.
Toronto>London>Karachi on AirCanada+British Airways would be cheaper and lot more comfortable.
I do not think I will be visiting Pakistan again but if I do I will definitely take BA next time. Non-stop flight from US to Dubai on Emirates is way too long.
Flights start next week. Looking forward to some cheaper flights to Pak when I visit in Dec-Jan.
For too long PIA have used and abused the need for Pakistanis to travel from North America directly to Pakistan. Their ticket prices are comparable to the top notch Middle Eastern ones but service is beyond pathetic.
Emirates is generally too expensive and Etihad isn't much better either. Qatar does not go to Doha directly from Toronto so first I have to travel to Boston or Montreal. Last time I went through Turkish, although the flight and its price were good but the wait at Istanbul airport was too long and Turkish cuisine is probably the worst in the world.
Toronto>London>Karachi on AirCanada+British Airways would be cheaper and lot more comfortable.
Credit needs to be given to PML N for this not PTI. For all their faults PML N favored the Open Skies policy which unfortunately it seems that PTI will reverse.