Charlie Kirk's suspected killer brought into custody after confessing to father [Update@ Post 360]

[JaDed]

Dear @JaDed

Provided his own statements spoken by him in a Court of India, he is making clear statements about Hinduism.



I understand the combined need of Indians to deflect the specific and categorical mention of "Hinduism", no matter what.

Thanks

Sure on a thread of assassination of Kirk, you are referring to Hinduism like Kirk followed it or something. Keep trying to make the analogy.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

He is an Indian patriot. Something you people will never understand. Your identity is tied to your religion. Not your land. For Indians, their identity is firmly tied to their land.

A bit rich coming from you, an alleged atheist who still couldn't let go of Hinduism. And don't give me that garbage that Hinduism isn't a religion but a culture, if you loved Hindu culture so much you would never have fled the motherland for the land of the beefburger.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Any update on the suspect?

 

[Bewal Express]

It seems the World has become the 51 state. You have an American celebrity being murdered by sone other American and the school kids here were in shock. My 6th form were keen to find out my views on his death and i had to fake sincerity and interest in some who i had only seen in YouTube clips. As he was a passionate advocate of gun ownership, why the shock that he got murdered by a gun. It goes without saying that killing people is wrong but that is all killing, not just killing of celebrities or Americans

 

[LordJames]

1. Charlie Kirk was a xenophobe, Islamophobe and a racist
2. He mocked the deaths of Palestinians in Gaza and held them responsible for their own deaths
3. Nobody should have sympathy with his views or opinions
4. However, that should not stop people from condemning his assassination and understanding the grief which his wife and two young children must be feeling

This was a professional hit, well planned, designed and orchestrated so lets see what the deep state comes up with to explain this away!

Hunter's Perspective on the Shooter:

@ElRaja @IronShield for professional perspective...

1. Shooting an animal from approximately 200 yards is not a big deal and civilians (like me and others) can do it and it is possible and doable and done all the time by normal people.​
2. Shooting a target from approximately 200 yards downwards is also not a big deal and somewhat easier.​
3. When you shoot, you aim at the center-mass (biggest target) and this bullet hit his neck area which is within acceptable limits of bullet trajectory and travel and also not a big deal.
   

   1. Calculating a target with a good scope and sight at this distance is not a big deal!​

The reason I believe that this was a professional sniper is because of preparations, getting the weapon into position and then exiting which requires planning and execution from the military and a lone civilian or a hunter would need major skills to be able to do that!

 

[Boyka]

Sure on a thread of assassination of Kirk, you are referring to Hinduism like Kirk followed it or something. Keep trying to make the analogy.

It’s because the usual resident asylum escapees like to mention Islam, Islamist’s or Islamism. This word is nightmarish, gives them chills. Read the thread.

 

[Markhor]

It seems the World has become the 51 state. You have an American celebrity being murdered by sone other American and the school kids here were in shock. My 6th form were keen to find out my views on his death and i had to fake sincerity and interest in some who i had only seen in YouTube clips. As he was a passionate advocate of gun ownership, why the shock that he got murdered by a gun. It goes without saying that killing people is wrong but that is all killing, not just killing of celebrities or Americans

BBC News will be doing a 1hr special stream, world leaders putting out statements, Trump giving Kirk the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

Think Pope Leo will be beatifying him as a saint next. Where was this wall to wall coverage when that Minnesota state legislator was killed by a far-right extremist ?

 

[Technics 1210]

Why is this guy getting air time?

Media should be talking about Epstein files and the genocide being carried out by Zionists with Amreeka and UK being complicit.

 

[Bewal Express]

BBC News will be doing a 1hr special stream, world leaders putting out statements, Trump giving Kirk the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

Think Pope Leo will be beatifying him as a saint next. Where was this wall to wall coverage when that Minnesota state legislator was killed by a far-right extremist ?

This murder like all murders was wrong but as we know 1000s can be murdered and not an eye brow is raised. I wanted to tell the students to understand the deeper understanding of the issues such as valuing the lives of some human beings being seen as more valuable than the others, however I felt that complaints from Parents would create problems for the school so I just gave a generic answer

 

[LordJames]

Hunter's Perspective on the Shooter:

@ElRaja @IronShield for professional perspective...

1. Shooting an animal from approximately 200 yards is not a big deal and civilians (like me and others) can do it and it is possible and doable and done all the time by normal people.​
2. Shooting a target from approximately 200 yards downwards is also not a big deal and somewhat easier.​
3. When you shoot, you aim at the center-mass (biggest target) and this bullet hit his neck area which is within acceptable limits of bullet trajectory and travel and also not a big deal.​
   1. Calculating a target with a good scope and sight at this distance is not a big deal!​

The reason I believe that this was a professional sniper is because of preparations, getting the weapon into position and then exiting which requires planning and execution from the military and a lone civilian or a hunter would need major skills to be able to do that!

Either a Camera glitch or a Knee-pad on his right knee only which is unusual, generally it would be both kneesl! Does anyone know the keen-pad???

OR is it knee-pads on both knees which would be correct, my bad eyes can't tell!

 

[JaDed]

It’s because the usual resident asylum escapees like to mention Islam, Islamist’s or Islamism. This word is nightmarish, gives them chills. Read the thread.

Yes Indians should make this thread as this signature as well, might as well add Godse to Asia cup.

 

[Varun]

When you have so many guns floating around, this is inevitable.

 

[Patriot]

I agree with him about affirmative action nonsense, being loyal to the country, Systemic racism and Trans nonsense where kids are allowed to transition and change their gender.

Now don't ask me to explain all these things in detail. You can google it for yourself.

And do you agree with him about Abortion being illegal even where a woman is raped or calling Dr Martin Luther King Jr awful or spreading Covid misinformation or climate change denial?

 

[Champ_Pal]

And do you agree with him about Abortion being illegal even where a woman is raped or calling Dr Martin Luther King Jr awful or spreading Covid misinformation or climate change denial?

Go read my posts. I don’t agree with blanket abortion ban. Not in the case of rape victims. I don’t agree with republicans on many issues.

 

[The_KING]

This seems like the job of a professional hitman. I won't be surprised if the US government or Israel was behind his assassination.

 

[Patriot]

Go read my posts. I don’t agree with blanket abortion ban. Not in the case of rape victims. I don’t agree with republicans on many issues.

But what is your view of someone who says that abortion should be illegal for a girl who has conceived following rape? Would you consider that person a scumbag or a decent praise worthy human being?

 

[Patriot]

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This thread has barely 35 posts yet 1/4rth of the posts are by you @sweep_shot

He did no crime other than debates. You could have opened other thread on his debates yet, all you do is trying to justify your lack of sympathy and hatred for him.

We all have people that we don't like. But we don't intend for their death. Neither we cheer for them.

You claim you don't like political violence yet you couldn't control your glee when you repeatedly post the same thing about a dead guy, who is just a debater and doesn't even hold any power.

This is the closet case of an Islamist who doesn't like free speech hut only cares about Islam and likes to be in a Western nation yet criticizes it day-in and day-out, wanting to import Islamist values. The very thing Charlie Kirk fought for. There is nothing wrong if someone wants to protect their own countries values first and yet, they are labelled as all sorts of things.
He is not even remotely close to how much of an extremist some people on PP are or on social media.

He openly debated with logic similarly to Mehdi Hasan. While I dont agree with Mehdi, all he does is debate and there is no reason to hate him.

People like these should be cherished. They are not propagating hate speech by giving blanket statements but promoting freedom of speech by welcoming questions and debate.

Yes let’s all cherish Charlie Kirk for saying that rape victims who become pregnant should not be allowed to have an abortion.

 

[JaDed]

But what is your view of someone who says that abortion should be illegal for a girl who has conceived following rape? Would you consider that person a scumbag or a decent praise worthy human being?

One can call such a person ignorant, just like a religious person thrusting his/her patriarchy on society. Would you call patriarchal people scumbags? A lot of them would have terrible views about women's choice.

 

[JaDed]

When you have so many guns floating around, this is inevitable.

Yeah and he was an advocate for them as well.

 

[Champ_Pal]

But what is your view of someone who says that abortion should be illegal for a girl who has conceived following rape? Would you consider that person a scumbag or a decent praise worthy human being?

He is wrong and cannot correct himself just because it is against his Christian beliefs. This is where Republicans lose me. When the evidence is right in front of them, they still refuse to change because their religion says says otherwise. There are religious christians who are not averse to abortion. But as a whole I think Christianity abhors abortion and considers it as murder.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Hunter's Perspective on the Shooter:

@ElRaja @IronShield for professional perspective...

1. Shooting an animal from approximately 200 yards is not a big deal and civilians (like me and others) can do it and it is possible and doable and done all the time by normal people.​
2. Shooting a target from approximately 200 yards downwards is also not a big deal and somewhat easier.​
3. When you shoot, you aim at the center-mass (biggest target) and this bullet hit his neck area which is within acceptable limits of bullet trajectory and travel and also not a big deal.​
   1. Calculating a target with a good scope and sight at this distance is not a big deal!​

The reason I believe that this was a professional sniper is because of preparations, getting the weapon into position and then exiting which requires planning and execution from the military and a lone civilian or a hunter would need major skills to be able to do that!

Is this the conclusion, he was wearing a bullet proof vest with the bullet hitting his chest onwards to his neck ?

 

[ads101]

Except, Kirk did not kill anyone. This Hassan Mafi guy lacks brain cells. Horrible fail with his correlation.

I agree, it’s a terrible correlation.

Hamas and Japan have both instigated attacks and killed innocent people. There is an argument they are to blame for dragging their people into a war. Same you can make an argument that the retaliation by America and Israel was overboard and thus not justified. Both sides of the argument can be made.

Charlie Kirk whether you agree with his views or not, was a civilian. A YouTube/speaker who hasn’t killed or tried to kill anyone. This is no war it’s an unprovoked attack (if Kirk did not fire or engage in physical means then it is unprovoked, mere words can’t be classed as provoking). It also goes against the basic right of free speech.

The japan and Gaza cases are innocent civilians casualties incurred during a war. This is just simply a shooting of an innocent man that happens to have a different viewpoint.

And I happen to be more left wing leaning and don’t approve of the Israeli campaign in Gaza. But I think it’s ridiculous to compare them to this shooting.

 

[Technics 1210]

This seems like the job of a professional hitman. I won't be surprised if the US government or Israel was behind his assassination.

Mossad.

WIth Kirk dead the young MAGA movement is dead, Trumps dynasty is dented, and of course the news cycle is diverted from the real stories - Epstein & Gaza Genocide.

 

[LordJames]

Is this the conclusion, he was wearing a bullet proof vest with the bullet hitting his chest onwards to his neck ?

He doesn't seem to be wearing a bulletproof vest

 

[KingKhanWC]

Why is this guy getting air time?

Media should be talking about Epstein files and the genocide being carried out by Zionists with Amreeka and UK being complicit.

It’s related imo . This wasn’t no gay or trans kid who was angry , it was a professional sniper . A school kid would go in with an AR assault rifle , as there was little to no security, witnesses reporting their tickets weren’t even checked.

Epstein is a simple blackmail strategy but at the highest level of planning , with serious consequences. This assassination was a warning to the recent growing numbers of right wing Americans who have been calling out Israel in the past 6-12 months . Tucker , Candace Owens two of a large number now , with hundreds of millions watching them. It also is one shot which hits many birds . Those who are compromised are also warned to continue to toe the line , the attempt on trump , this and other assassination attempts are yearly now as reminders .

Netanyahu believes he is the last PM before the messiah arrives , this is documented. Israel and its Zionist backers who are mostly Jewish and Christian but also include Muslims (so called ) is now at a turning point in history . It now is showing the world it RULES all over esp America. A large country with a large military isn’t power , it’s who controls the money . USA is on the brink of economic depression, Gold hit $3500+ per Troy ounce , this is unprecedented . Wars with other nations is easy but a civil conflict is more difficult , a black man slices the throat of a woman and this together is aimed to divide more at the same time . The bed game is total control and slavery , again you don’t needs guns but control of the money . When the paper money vanishes , digital ids and electronic money will arrive , giving almost total control to shut off your bread and milk shopping anytime. Only those with gold and silver or rare hard assets will be free . The rest will bow down to greater Israel

 

[KingKhanWC]

He doesn't seem to be wearing a bulletproof vest

The bullet would have gone through the chest and out the other side from a snipers rifle . How did it end striking the neck ? I have a view but so many videos it’s hard to know which is real

 

[LordJames]

The bullet would have gone through the chest and out the other side from a snipers rifle . How did it end striking the neck ? I have a view but so many videos it’s hard to know which is real

The bullet never hit the chest but hit the Neck. A high powered bullet cannot hit and the chest and then tumble out of the Neck when the shot is already in the downward trajectory, the momentum of a downward bullet cannot make it twist and tumble upwards.​

And when it hit the neck, the exit wound would have caused damage to his spinal cord which is why you see him fumbling and failing, his spinal cord is unable to keep balance as it is severed. There are people who will insert screens and all sorts but so far nothing special about the shot, the distance, the bullet and the rifle.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The bullet never hit the chest but hit the Neck. A high powered bullet cannot hit and the chest and then tumble out of the Neck when the shot is already in the downward trajectory, the momentum of a downward bullet cannot make it twist and tumble upwards.​

And when it hit the neck, the exit wound would have caused damage to his spinal cord which is why you see him fumbling and failing, his spinal cord is unable to keep balance as it is severed. There are people who will insert screens and all sorts but so far nothing special about the shot, the distance, the bullet and the rifle.

The issue is was he wearing a vest . The if not , a direct target of the neck which is very normal for a sniper as the neck is hard to conceal for combat soldiers, it’s their training to target this area . It may even be an attack from ground level faked as a roof top shooter . The truth will prob never come out

 

[LordJames]

@KingKhanWC

Tweets like this are BS even with 600K views!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1965889495322296465

There is nobody on Earth who can hit a vein or an artery at 200 yards with a bolt action rifle, you aim at the center-mass and it hits somewhere nearby...

The issue is was he wearing a vest . The if not , a direct target of the neck which is very normal for a sniper as the neck is hard to conceal for combat soldiers, it’s their training to target this area . It may even be an attack from ground level faked as a roof top shooter . The truth will prob never come out

He doesn't appear to be a wearing a vest and it will visible through the scope so you will target center-mass (chest area) and bullet will hit a few inches here or there because:

1. Charlie would have been moving
2. Air and Atmosphere could likely affect the trajectory

With no bulletproof vest visible, the sniper would target the center-mass (chest area) and not the neck because you want to aim for the biggest area for maximum damage.

Hitting the neck is an accidental thing, you can't aim for an artery or vein, not possible with a rifle for ordinary humans...

Hunter's Perspective on the Shooter:

@ElRaja @IronShield for professional perspective...

1. Shooting an animal from approximately 200 yards is not a big deal and civilians (like me and others) can do it and it is possible and doable and done all the time by normal people.​
2. Shooting a target from approximately 200 yards downwards is also not a big deal and somewhat easier.​
3. When you shoot, you aim at the center-mass (biggest target) and this bullet hit his neck area which is within acceptable limits of bullet trajectory and travel and also not a big deal.​
   1. Calculating a target with a good scope and sight at this distance is not a big deal!​

The reason I believe that this was a professional sniper is because of preparations, getting the weapon into position and then exiting which requires planning and execution from the military and a lone civilian or a hunter would need major skills to be able to do that!

There is nothing extraordinary in this shooting, the extraordinary part is the escape of the shooter...

 

[Bewal Express]

Seeing some of his clips that are being shown, Charlie would have be happy at his own sacrifice so that Americans could carry guns to shoot each other.

 

[JaDed]

The problem with this thread is everyone is passively advocating death for regressive views, that is really unfortunate.
While posters here have favoured kings and battles for their bias in that logic then , was among us, extremely flawed but influential human being.

 

[LordJames]

Seeing some of his clips that are being shown, Charlie would have be happy at his own sacrifice so that Americans could carry guns to shoot each other.

England has severe Gun Control so people get killed with a knife...

The problem with this thread is everyone is passively advocating death for regressive views, that is really unfortunate.
While posters here have favoured kings and battles for their bias in that logic then , was among us, extremely flawed but influential human being.

You are lying!

Nobody should be killed or shot for their views at all and it is despicable.

 

[sweep_shot]

The problem with this thread is everyone is passively advocating death for regressive views, that is really unfortunate.
While posters here have favoured kings and battles for their bias in that logic then , was among us, extremely flawed but influential human being.

Mr. Jaded. Nobody is doing that. Stop putting words in people's mouths.

Nobody needs approval from you or any other Indian.

Charlie Kirk was a rubbish human being with rubbish views. But, his murder was obviously wrong.

 

[LordJames]

Mr. Jaded. Nobody is doing that. Stop putting words in people's mouths.

Nobody needs approval from you or any other Indian.

Charlie Kirk was a rubbish human being with rubbish views. But, his murder was obviously wrong.

These Indians lie with absolute comfort and it is extraordinary!

There isn't a single person who is actively or passively advocating death for anyone. People are expressing views which can be split in 3 groups:

1. Those expressing regret and thoughts and prayers at his murder
2. Those adding a context that his views were horrible and then expressing regret and thoughts and prayers at his murder
3. Those adding another layer of context that he was a vile human being with despicable views and there is no sadness at his passing away but murder is still wrong!

The 3rd group is exemplified by Dr Omar Sulimen saying:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1966193777053409552

I don’t condone his killing.

I won’t participate in his mourning.

These Indians just lie and lie and lie, I wonder how their families and loved ones cope with this instinctive and petty lying at the drop of a hat! When you deal with people in the west you do not encounter lying at such basic and petty level!

 

[Bewal Express]

England has severe Gun Control so people get killed with a knife...



You are lying!

Nobody should be killed or shot for their views at all and it is despicable.

The Murder rate in the UK is low and very low in comparison to America. No doubt knife crime is a problem but generally remains a problem for groups involved in the drug trade.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Seeing some of his clips that are being shown, Charlie would have be happy at his own sacrifice so that Americans could carry guns to shoot each other.

Yes saw that clip, he was in favor of 2nd amendment even if it costs some lifes

 

[HalBass9]

The Murder rate in the UK is low and very low in comparison to America. No doubt knife crime is a problem but generally remains a problem for groups involved in the drug trade.

Guns are woven into the fabric of American society, no one is taking them away. Neither Republicans nor Democrats would dare make a serious move against them.

But between the two, only one party keeps using the idea as political theater, milking fear and outrage for votes, knowing full well that nothing will change.

 

[Bewal Express]

Yes saw that clip, he was in favor of 2nd amendment even if it costs some lifes

He lived and died by his principles. Just hope Trump and his cabinet can make similar sacrifices

 

[JaDed]

Nobody is doing that. Stop putting words in people's mouths.

Nobody needs approval from you .

Bro once again: Irony keeps dying whenever you say such stuff

 

[JaDed]

You are lying!

Nobody should be killed or shot for their views at all and it is despicable.

What am I lying about?

 

[LordJames]

What am I lying about?​

Dear @JaDed

I mistook you to be an honest and truthful person, it is my default setting to treat everyone as honest and truthful unless evidence proves otherwise.

I precisely and exactly pointed out why I called you a liar and also explained "why". You may have time to dance on a pinhead and engage in Sophistry but I don't have time to engage in circular arguments and go down a rabbit hole with you.

The argument and its basis has already been explained so circular arguments (and repetition) will be a waste of time, particularly when in the face of dishonesty it is unlikely to result in a positive outcome.

Thanks for your time.​

 

[sweep_shot]

These Indians lie with absolute comfort and it is extraordinary!

There isn't a single person who is actively or passively advocating death for anyone. People are expressing views which can be split in 3 groups:

1. Those expressing regret and thoughts and prayers at his murder
2. Those adding a context that his views were horrible and then expressing regret and thoughts and prayers at his murder
3. Those adding another layer of context that he was a vile human being with despicable views and there is no sadness at his passing away but murder is still wrong!

The 3rd group is exemplified by Dr Omar Sulimen saying:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1966193777053409552

I don’t condone his killing.

I won’t participate in his mourning.

These Indians just lie and lie and lie, I wonder how their families and loved ones cope with this instinctive and petty lying at the drop of a hat! When you deal with people in the west you do not encounter lying at such basic and petty level!

Yup.

Nobody is supporting this murder. Everybody wrote that the murder was wrong. I thought it was common sense but not common for the thick Indians.

People are simply pointing out how horrible some of Charlie's views were. He was clearly a racist who hated black people, Muslim people etc.

I don't think we need to feel sorry for a racist. But, that murder was definitely wrong and nobody supported the murder. I hope sanghis will refrain from asking redundant questions.

I just hope Charlie's 2 kids will not become racists like Charlie was. I hope they will be full of compassion and kindness.

 

[Boyka]

I agree, it’s a terrible correlation.

Hamas and Japan have both instigated attacks and killed innocent people. There is an argument they are to blame for dragging their people into a war. Same you can make an argument that the retaliation by America and Israel was overboard and thus not justified. Both sides of the argument can be made.

Charlie Kirk whether you agree with his views or not, was a civilian. A YouTube/speaker who hasn’t killed or tried to kill anyone. This is no war it’s an unprovoked attack (if Kirk did not fire or engage in physical means then it is unprovoked, mere words can’t be classed as provoking). It also goes against the basic right of free speech.

The japan and Gaza cases are innocent civilians casualties incurred during a war. This is just simply a shooting of an innocent man that happens to have a different viewpoint.

And I happen to be more left wing leaning and don’t approve of the Israeli campaign in Gaza. But I think it’s ridiculous to compare them to this shooting.

I think you mean freedom of thought not freedom of speech.

Speech can be used to incite violence and provoke like the riots last year in the UK.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

However, that should not stop people from condemning his assassination and understanding the grief which his wife and two young children must be feeling

when did he ever condemn murder of innocent Palestinians? Lot of Palestinian Children are now without their parents. He held them responsible for their deaths. Same way i can say Charlie is responsible for his own murder because he endorsed guns.

so i will not endorse his murder neither i need to condemn his murder.

He was not a random dude , Had considerable followers. His lack of condemnation on grave matters such as genocide in Gaza has effects.

 

[LordJames]

when did he ever condemn murder of innocent Palestinians? Lot of Palestinian Children are now without their parents. He held them responsible for their deaths. Same way i can say Charlie is responsible for his own murder because he endorsed guns.

so i will not endorse his murder neither i need to condemn his murder.

He was not a random dude , Had considerable followers. His lack of condemnation on grave matters such as genocide in Gaza has effects.

At no place, you or anyone else in this thread is advocating death for regressing views as being falsely and maliciously accused by Indians.

Nobody is doing that. I understand that the issue is nuanced and there are people who won't sleep any sleep on the murder of a vile human being .

The problem with this thread is everyone is passively advocating death for regressive views, that is really unfortunate.
While posters here have favoured kings and battles for their bias in that logic then , was among us, extremely flawed but influential human being.

 

[gazza619]

Dont tell them some random college dude killed Charlie.

Charlie was clearly seen as a future threat of some sort by US/Israel. As such he had to go.

 

[Patriot]

So Charlie Kirk was an advocate of the second amendment of the US Bill of Rights for the right to keep and bear arms.

This amendment was put in place for local militias to counter a tyrannical central government and yet it has completely evolved where guns have now become a part of the US fabric and culture.

My first issue is why do Americans treat their founding fathers with such reverence, like prophets. I have not seen such devotion in any other country. Additionally, they treat their constitution like a holy book that cannot be wrong even 250 years later. The whole thing is baffling.

Also, I agree with Americans that the issue isn’t guns but rather people and this is no better exemplified than the difference between the US and Switzerland. Switzerland also allows it’s citizens to bear arms and yet we don’t see the mass shootings there.

My opinion on this is that there is something deeply wrong with the American society. Americans are all about their freedom and rights but they never talk about their responsibilities. Their culture promotes freedom to the extreme but it doesn’t promote responsibility, especially individual responsibility. If Americans were more responsible like the Swiss, maybe they wouldn’t have the current levels of mass shooting they experience on a regular basis.

 

[JaDed]

Dear @JaDed

I mistook you to be an honest and truthful person, it is my default setting to treat everyone as honest and truthful unless evidence proves otherwise.

I precisely and exactly pointed out why I called you a liar and also explained "why". You may have time to dance on a pinhead and engage in Sophistry but I don't have time to engage in circular arguments and go down a rabbit hole with you.

The argument and its basis has already been explained so circular arguments (and repetition) will be a waste of time, particularly when in the face of dishonesty it is unlikely to result in a positive outcome.

Thanks for your time.​

Ok..

 

[DeadlyVenom]

The problem with this thread is everyone is passively advocating death for regressive views, that is really unfortunate.
While posters here have favoured kings and battles for their bias in that logic then , was among us, extremely flawed but influential human being.

Not his regressive views in general.

His views on gun crime.

And not just his views on this matter. His active lobbying and trying to shape the views of others.

Nobody is passively advocating his death but people seem to be getting annoyed at showing the direct link between his views and his death.

 

[JaDed]

Not his regressive views in general.

His views on gun crime.

And not just his views on this matter. His active lobbying and trying to shape the views of others.

Nobody is passively advocating his death but people seem to be getting annoyed at showing the direct link between his views and his death.

I have posted on that already.. that he advocated for gun laws but i don’t see posters mentioning that as a reason.

 

[Suleiman]

so i will not endorse his murder neither i need to condemn his murder.

He was not a random dude , Had considerable followers. His lack of condemnation on grave matters such as genocide in Gaza has effects.

Pretty much what everyone has been saying on here… but his biggest fans in India want flowers and eulogy while they jump up and down in sheer glee at “Israel’s right to defend itself” no matter how many innocent people die, which is what something this guy said too.

And yet the sentiment is still well balanced

 

[ads101]

I think you mean freedom of thought not freedom of speech.

Speech can be used to incite violence and provoke like the riots last year in the UK.

No I mean freedom of speech. I think regardless of what someone says it shouldn’t result in violence. Whether it’s anti religion, anti-immigration, racism etc. Perhaps jail sentences, fines etc can be done to combat this. But not violence. But I don’t think we can excuse violence being creating because of speech. I think violence will always have more responsibility/blame in regards of the person’s own decisions if they commit violence, not speech. In fact most times I believe people if they are violent often want to be violent, they are just searching for an excuse.

I don’t think anything Charlie Kirk has said has or at least should have incited violence or riots. It’s a viewpoint which some agree with, others don’t. And at no point do I think he was actively telling people to engage in violence.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Israel’s right to defend itself” no matter how many innocent people die

Israel is a rogue and Evil country propped up by West to control Middle East.

They occupy Palestinian West Bank , create illegal settlements , an apartheid regime over there. opress people and when they fight back , call them terrorists .. There is no right of defence on occupied land. period

 

[Sachin fan]

Money says shooter was trans.

Based on what? Right wingers keep claiming but every single time such shooters have been always from right wing themselves.

Similar false claim was made after attempt on Trump

There have been a total of 5 trans shooters in America in the last decade but more than 1000s of right wing lunatics shooters

Yet bigots won't stop lying

 

[Sachin fan]

Dear @JaDed

Provided his own statements spoken by him in a Court of India, he is making clear statements about Hinduism.



I understand the combined need of Indians to deflect the specific and categorical mention of "Hinduism", no matter what.

Thanks

Someone bringing in Hinduism in a completely unrelated thread is talking about deflection. Irony died a thousand deaths.

But then you have taken a hard right lately on the India hate and like everyone who takes that road on any topic, it's a slippery slope from where there is no comeback.

 

[Sachin fan]

England has severe Gun Control so people get killed with a knife...



.

A knife doesn't kill from 200 yards afar.

A knife doesn't give the perpetrators a chance to easily escape like here

A knife is not so easy for multiple attacks,

knife victims have a way better chance of survival than guns

The number of knife attacks is UK is not even 0.001% of gun attacks in the US even as a % of the population

And most of all, a knife is a useful tool for other purpose like use in kitchen, the only and only purpose of a gun to take a life.

Poor comparison

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Never heard of a mass knifing. There is no equivalence between US and any major country. In the US little children get shot up just going to school. This happens multiple times a year. It doesn't happen even in Afghanistan

 

[Sachin fan]

No I mean freedom of speech. I think regardless of what someone says it shouldn’t result in violence. Whether it’s anti religion, anti-immigration, racism etc. Perhaps jail sentences, fines etc can be done to combat this. But not violence. But I don’t think we can excuse violence being creating because of speech. I think violence will always have more responsibility/blame in regards of the person’s own decisions if they commit violence, not speech. In fact most times I believe people if they are violent often want to be violent, they are just searching for an excuse.

I don’t think anything Charlie Kirk has said has or at least should have incited violence or riots. It’s a viewpoint which some agree with, others don’t. And at no point do I think he was actively telling people to engage in violence.

This kind of black and white thinking is exactly what causes fascism to rise and then war and killings

Countries which ban hate speech see more peace and less rise in violence and bigotry.

Hitlers party was banned but bleeding heart free speech absolutionists got then unbanned and we know what happened. Every single one of those guys have blood of entire world war 2 on their hands.

And love the lying through the teeth about Kirk never saying stuff, when he clearly called for slavery by saying civil rights act was a mistake, saying kids being killed is ok, called lgbt people a pathogen

But but but he was only saying stuff. Neither he was dumb, nor are you, you exactly what these words lead to to and did lead to

If words had no power he would never use them and try to convert people.

Right wing fascist supporters cannot have it both ways. You cannot claim he was an influential guy who did so much with his words and then say words don't mean anything and don't cause anything.

But then this double speaking has always been a hallmark of fascist bigots. On one hand systematically do everything to oppress others, then cry when someone pushed to a corner hits back

What fascist supporters don't realize is that the common man only has so much patience. In times of peace, when humanity is progressing steadily, bigots and facists always rise, and the common man just watches and doesn't care. But that doesn't mean they don't know what's happening

But there comes a time when they finally had enough and rise up and smash the bigots back to the caves they were hiding in. It happened with Hitler, it happened during civil war, it happened a 100 times before in history. Fascist bigots have always been the villains and losers of history and always will be

 

[Sachin fan]

Never heard of a mass knifing. There is no equivalence between US and any major country. In the US little children get shot up just going to school. This happens multiple times a year. It doesn't happen even in Afghanistan

Many lesser countries have banned guns after one single gun incident.

A country which doesn't care and doesn't action after toddlers keep getting massacred in schools, which should be a safe and fun space for them, is a country which has lost its soul. Not even God can save them.

 

[sweep_shot]

Never heard of a mass knifing. There is no equivalence between US and any major country. In the US little children get shot up just going to school. This happens multiple times a year. It doesn't happen even in Afghanistan

Correct.

In USA, you can get shot anywhere at any time for any reason.

A few years ago, a Walmart was shot up by a white supremacist. 15+ died.

It is a crazy gun-loving country. I am glad I do not live there.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Why is this guy getting air time?

Media should be talking about Epstein files and the genocide being carried out by Zionists with Amreeka and UK being complicit.

I'm agreeing with Technics.. I need to sit down.

 

[Suleiman]

Man… every thread these days really does devolve into Pakistan vs India mud slinging festival,

Makes it hard for non desi posters like Brit, Aussie or Turkish posters like myself and others to engage.

 

[BouncerGuy]

GUYS, YOU NEED TO STAY ON TOPIC...

NO WAR-MONGERING STUFF HERE

 

[followed]

The stuff he had said about different kinds of people is inhumane.

Many people are enjoying his death they maybe wrong or maybe right.

The more I read about him the more I started to hate him but world is full of people like this guy my beloved country India is full of people like this Charlie guy.

That's why they are sad about his death. He will pay for his crimes and they shall too.

 

[RexRex]

Footage of the killer trying to escape from the roof .. amazing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/1nev5i8/shooter_caught_on_camera_in_utah_valley

 

[Boyka]

This kind of black and white thinking is exactly what causes fascism to rise and then war and killings

Countries which ban hate speech see more peace and less rise in violence and bigotry.

Hitlers party was banned but bleeding heart free speech absolutionists got then unbanned and we know what happened. Every single one of those guys have blood of entire world war 2 on their hands.

And love the lying through the teeth about Kirk never saying stuff, when he clearly called for slavery by saying civil rights act was a mistake, saying kids being killed is ok, called lgbt people a pathogen

But but but he was only saying stuff. Neither he was dumb, nor are you, you exactly what these words lead to to and did lead to

If words had no power he would never use them and try to convert people.

Right wing fascist supporters cannot have it both ways. You cannot claim he was an influential guy who did so much with his words and then say words don't mean anything and don't cause anything.

But then this double speaking has always been a hallmark of fascist bigots. On one hand systematically do everything to oppress others, then cry when someone pushed to a corner hits back

What fascist supporters don't realize is that the common man only has so much patience. In times of peace, when humanity is progressing steadily, bigots and facists always rise, and the common man just watches and doesn't care. But that doesn't mean they don't know what's happening

But there comes a time when they finally had enough and rise up and smash the bigots back to the caves they were hiding in. It happened with Hitler, it happened during civil war, it happened a 100 times before in history. Fascist bigots have always been the villains and losers of history and always will be

Absolutely correct, it’s fascism disguised as free speech.

The language is incendiary, but I suspect these guys want to whip up hysteria and civil war. Just look at the coordinated response of right wing commentators in the US. They’re pinning everything on the left, the left are violent, the left are beyond reproach and pretending the right are peaceful. It all started with Trump getting elected and it’s been going downhill since.

This right wing narrative is being spread intentionally to other parts of the world, UK/Europe. Some Indians are joining in with them for their own reasons. Like you said, people will fight back.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Many times when a right winger it's killed it's not by the left. It's by another right winger who feels that they weren't right wing enough.

 

[RexRex]

Many times when a right winger it's killed it's not by the left. It's by another right winger who feels that they weren't right wing enough.

The only one that comes to mind of that type is Yigal Amir .. I remember that making big news in the mid 90s. He assassinated the Israeli PM for meeting with Yasser Arafat.

 

[RexRex]

Netanyahu says 'It wasn't me.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1966373095541002472

 

[Sachin fan]

Netanyahu says 'It wasn't me.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1966373095541002472

What is the connection? Why would israel want such a thing?

 

[RexRex]

What is the connection? Why would israel want such a thing?

Charlie had started opposing the Israeli influence on US politics and the billions in aid they receive, which is rare for mainstream republican figures.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Many times when a right winger it's killed it's not by the left. It's by another right winger who feels that they weren't right wing enough.

Now it seems we have right wing WHITE MEN wanting war with WHITE MEN DRESSED AS WOMEN!

Far right v Trans battle is upcoming. If I was a betting man the trans would beat up the far right

 

[Mamoon]

A self-proclaimed pseudo intellect on Zionist payroll.

 

[Patriot]

Based on what? Right wingers keep claiming but every single time such shooters have been always from right wing themselves.

Similar false claim was made after attempt on Trump

There have been a total of 5 trans shooters in America in the last decade but more than 1000s of right wing lunatics shooters

Yet bigots won't stop lying

So, some news sources are saying that several unspent rounds recovered in the magazine of the rifle used in the shooting were engraved with references to transgender and antifascist ideology.

 

[Boyka]

The only one that comes to mind of that type is Yigal Amir .. I remember that making big news in the mid 90s. He assassinated the Israeli PM for meeting with Yasser Arafat.

Without even delving into examples and if you look at the extreme end of both persuasions, right wing politics is exclusionary and far more dangerous.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Many times when a right winger it's killed it's not by the left. It's by another right winger who feels that they weren't right wing enough.

It often happens with religious extremists. They seem to think someone is not practicing the religion the right way and resort to violence often ending in death.

 

[Patriot]

What is it with Kash Patel. Is the guy always on drugs or something.

 

[mazkhan]

I can't simply believe a 22 yr old who lives with his parents and a leftie can do a kill shoot at that distance like a professional sniper or assassin.

Sorry that shot was something a military grade marksman could pull off .

Something just doesn't add up

 

[LordJames]

I can't simply believe a 22 yr old who lives with his parents and a leftie can do a kill shoot at that distance like a professional sniper or assassin.

Sorry that shot was something a military grade marksman could pull off .

Something just doesn't add up

'I think we have him,' Trump says of Kirk suspect, as FBI head to give update​

Live updates: Charlie Kirk shooting suspect Tyler Robinson in custody; family turned him in, sources say

Conservative activist Charlie Kirk was shot and killed during an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday. Authorities said the shooting was a targeted attack.

www.nbcnews.com

The suspect arrested and accused of killing conservative activist Charlie Kirk has been identified as 22-year-old Utah resident Tyler Robinson, five senior law enforcement officials briefed on the matter told NBC News.

 

[RexRex]

'I think we have him,' Trump says of Kirk suspect, as FBI head to give update​

Live updates: Charlie Kirk shooting suspect Tyler Robinson in custody; family turned him in, sources say

Conservative activist Charlie Kirk was shot and killed during an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday. Authorities said the shooting was a targeted attack.

www.nbcnews.com

The suspect arrested and accused of killing conservative activist Charlie Kirk has been identified as 22-year-old Utah resident Tyler Robinson, five senior law enforcement officials briefed on the matter told NBC News.

Just 22 yrs old..