British Pakistanis: Discussion Thread

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I would take the bolded with a pinch of salt. British Pakistani women tend to be housewives - there were some figures that around 50% of British Pakistani women are unemployed. There is nothing inherently wrong with that but compared to American Pakistanis, or other British communities, that figure is disproportionate.

If that's the case then the British Pakistani must be too successful that they can afford to buy homes and properties with only one salary. In my family both immediate and extended mostly all the women work in professional jobs, some of them have reached higher positions than most posting here I would imagine.

Personally I still hold to the regressive view that earning a living is the man's job and the woman's is to bring up her children. I can afford it, but unfortunately most Brits whether Pakistani or not, need two incomes to buy a house if they don't inherit from their parents.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

That said, a profession is not something that should be denied to women. As I said, in my family both immediate and extended, all of the women work, but they rely heavily on family support (grandparents etc) to help with childminding duties. It's probably easier in the US where they can hire illegal immigrants as nannies or in the subcontinent where nannies are cheap and available for a nominal cost.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

If that's the case then the British Pakistani must be too successful that they can afford to buy homes and properties with only one salary. In my family both immediate and extended mostly all the women work in professional jobs, some of them have reached higher positions than most posting here I would imagine.

Personally I still hold to the regressive view that earning a living is the man's job and the woman's is to bring up her children. I can afford it, but unfortunately most Brits whether Pakistani or not, need two incomes to buy a house if they don't inherit from their parents.

I am not shocked, this is classic British Pakistani from my experience and hence why out of Pakistanis worldwide they tend to be lagging in a lot of aspects.

The rest of your post is just a typical attempt to obfuscate with a sly dig/brag thrown in for good measure. British Pakistanis are below national average when it comes to own ownership.

Speaking of income:

Income distribution

75% of households from the Bangladeshi ethnic group were in the 2 lowest income quintiles (after housing costs were deducted) between April 2021 and March 2024.

www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk

I am sure you will find your way to weasel out of this with some irrelevant and insincere remark so unless you bring something more than your usual vacuous remarks there is nothing more that needs to be said.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Like I said that was maybe a culture thing of past Generations.

The younger and current Generation this certainly does not apply to them.

That is good to hear. The regressive mindset of British Pakistanis has held them back (Rishwat being a great example). If that is changing then it is incredible.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I am not shocked, this is classic British Pakistani from my experience and hence why out of Pakistanis worldwide they tend to be lagging in a lot of aspects.

The rest of your post is just a typical attempt to obfuscate with a sly dig/brag thrown in for good measure. British Pakistanis are below national average when it comes to own ownership.

Speaking of income:

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Income distribution

75% of households from the Bangladeshi ethnic group were in the 2 lowest income quintiles (after housing costs were deducted) between April 2021 and March 2024.

www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk

I am sure you will find your way to weasel out of this with some irrelevant and insincere remark so unless you bring something more than your usual vacuous remarks there is nothing more that needs to be said.

I am always surprised to see these sort of stats, usually produced by jingo bingo Indian posters like cricketjoshila it has to be said. But I don't need to argue them, maybe I live in a bubble and the British Pakistanis I see don't reflect the rest of Britain. I already said I don't have much experience of living in a city with a large Pakistani British population.

You and rickroll might have relatives or associates from a poverty stricken area so YMMV.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

All,

please ignore @rickroll pessimistic posts. British Pakistanis are the bestest community and they will get better with a more stricter version of Islam. No education for women as it leads to breakdown of family structure. Please consider absorbing BD brothers as they also have a proper conservative outlook.

How are his posts pessimistic? It is the likes of Rishwat here flip flopping, deflecting, making sly digs and trying to purport that their family (if it is even true) is more representative of facts than Government data which is apparently "surprising".

 

[rpant_gabba]

How are his posts pessimistic? It is the likes of Rishwat here flip flopping, deflecting, making sly digs and trying to purport that their family (if it is even true) is more representative of facts than Government data which is apparently "surprising".

I take issue with your characterization of brother @Cpt. Rishwat he is very knowledgeable poster. always provide straight answers and does none the flopping you describe. He is as straight a cooked Chinese rice noodle

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

I take issue with your characterization of brother @Cpt. Rishwat he is very knowledgeable poster. always provide straight answers and does none the flopping you describe. He is as straight a cooked Chinese rice noodle

Yes sure Rishwat's contributions in this thread are worse than @Bhaijaan and that is saying something

 

[Bhaijaan]

Yes sure Rishwat's contributions in this thread are worse than @Bhaijaan and that is saying something

Be respectful. Brother @Cpt. Rishwat is one of the most highly revered posters here. People respect him for his informed opinions but more for his aristocratic yet generous behaviour. He must be a great descendent of prominent persons from Vedic era.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Yes sure Rishwat's contributions in this thread are worse than @Bhaijaan and that is saying something

They make one hell of a pair

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

That is good to hear. The regressive mindset of British Pakistanis has held them back (Rishwat being a great example). If that is changing then it is incredible.

Well I am ok with my lot, unfortunately my regressive mindset has only got me a wife and kids and a beautiful home. Perhaps if I had been more progressive I would be wearing a nipple ring and congratulating my adopted kids how great it is to have two dads.

 

[Varun]

Well I am ok with my lot, unfortunately my regressive mindset has only got me a wife and kids and a beautiful home. Perhaps if I had been more progressive I would be wearing a nipple ring and congratulating my adopted kids how great it is to have two dads.

Perfectly normal in the West. In fact, divorce, separation, remarriages etc. should be normalized. You of all people with so many years of experience living in the West shouldn't shun it.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Perfectly normal in the West. In fact, divorce, separation, remarriages etc. should be normalized. You of all people with so many years of experience living in the West shouldn't shun it.

Divorce, separation and remarriages happen all the time over here, although why you mentioned those after bolding the bit about two dads I am not sure. This is the difference between me and you, you want to come across as enlightened but if you really believed in the bit you bolded, you would have taken me to task for that instead of diverting to divorce, separation etc.

 

[Varun]

Divorce, separation and remarriages happen all the time over here, although why you mentioned those after bolding the bit about two dads I am not sure. This is the difference between me and you, you want to come across as enlightened but if you really believed in the bit you bolded, you would have taken me to task for that instead of diverting to divorce, separation etc.

Me - enlightened with my 12-word (avg) posts? What flattery, Rishi bhai.

If you're smarting because of other replies upthread, don't take it out on my little post.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Me - enlightened with my 12-word (avg) posts? What flattery, Rishi bhai.

If you're smarting because of other replies upthread, don't take it out on my little post.

You were the one who bolded the two dads bit, now you are flailing about, talking about your word count and smarting upthread. You can talk the talk but can't walk the walk.

 

[rickroll]

Maybe that's a issue in your part of your extended family where the wives are not working because of some logic. Additionally that logic cannot be religious based as the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) fist wife was a successful businesswoman

As far as im aware alot ot the Brit - Paks that i know of both Husband and wives are working . In the current economic climate its pretty much impossible for both not to work without managing to run a home with kids.

Please understand that I am not projecting specific issues of British Pakistanis whom I know on everyone else in the community because this would be a flaw on my part.

I am taking a zoomed out perspective of many HDI metrics for the entire community and I am hoping to find the reasonings behind this.

Posts by folks like @ElRaja are helpful in that context while posts by @Cpt. Rishwat seem to reek of the same deflection+denial+fake pride BS that I had the misfortune of experiencing in person from the few British Pakistanis I know.

 

[rickroll]

Maybe that's a issue in your part of your extended family where the wives are not working because of some logic. Additionally that logic cannot be religious based as the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) fist wife was a successful businesswoman

As far as im aware alot ot the Brit - Paks that i know of both Husband and wives are working . In the current economic climate its pretty much impossible for both not to work without managing to run a home with kids.

Please also understand that this is your anecdotal observation perhaps because your network is with people who are more open minded about this. But the community data as a whole does not reflect this when it comes to women's employment rate, as I have shown in the HDI metrics data.

 

[rickroll]

I am always surprised to see these sort of stats, usually produced by jingo bingo Indian posters like cricketjoshila it has to be said. But I don't need to argue them, maybe I live in a bubble and the British Pakistanis I see don't reflect the rest of Britain. I already said I don't have much experience of living in a city with a large Pakistani British population.

You and rickroll might have relatives or associates from a poverty stricken area so YMMV.

That could be it and I already know my extended British Pakistani family are absolute losers (not just financially/professionally but also morally and ethically in terms of how they treat women). But I have taken care not to project my specific anecdotal data onto the entire community, hence I have posted the entire community metrics.

 

[rickroll]

@Cpt. Rishwat in this thread has been his usual self - deflect, deflect, deflect, strawman and then ad hominem. It is laughable that he would choose to go after usernames when his own username is one of the worst possible in terms of meaning and creativity. The data is clear - British Pakistanis are far behind American Pakistanis and other Pakistanis on major HDI parameters. How much of that is due to America being a superior country is debatable but to simply deny it is classic Rishwat. These blokes are too used to debating with the likes of @cricketjoshila so when they do come up against posters like us who can destroy them with facts and grammar, they don't like it.

This is my absolute disappointment in this thread. The person who started this ended up getting unnecessarily defensive even though I stated my objectives clearly beforehand that I do not intend to score points or demean a community, but I only want to present facts that everybody can agree upon and then look at why this is happening in their community.

I'm sick of all these India centric threads. The entire internet is flooded by them, so I love threads like this because this forum is one of the few places where it is our (Pakistani) space to delve into our issues. So I have been excited to contribute to this thread only to be taken over by the usual gas lighting, personal attacks (who cares where I'm from just stick to the topic goddamnit!), deflection, denial. I think some posters here are so used to only arguing with Indian trolls for many years that they suddenly do not know how to react with a non-troll person albeit having an opposing pov.

 

[rickroll]

If that's the case then the British Pakistani must be too successful that they can afford to buy homes and properties with only one salary. In my family both immediate and extended mostly all the women work in professional jobs, some of them have reached higher positions than most posting here I would imagine.

Personally I still hold to the regressive view that earning a living is the man's job and the woman's is to bring up her children. I can afford it, but unfortunately most Brits whether Pakistani or not, need two incomes to buy a house if they don't inherit from their parents.

I (and many Pakistani Americans) find this backward outdated thinking that is not a good thing regardless of what environment they live (mostly surrounded by non-Islamic Americans or otherwise).

This also makes me wonder if someone like @Cpt. Rishwat who has grown up outside of British Pakistani community influence can hold such an opinion then what about many British Pakistanis who grow up only around their community?

I also want to give credit where credit is due (regardless of whether @Cpt. Rishwat wants to take it or not) to openly share personal views regardless of whether they seem good or not with contemporary standards.