British Pakistanis - Why use Mirpuris as a yardstick when they number far less than, eg, Punjabis?

[Yossarian]

Actually Mirpuri's came first as they were in the Merchant Navy and the via the Army and finally via the Dam.

Why would there be so many Mirpuris in the Merchant Navy considering that Mirpur is at the opposite end of Pakistan to Pakistan's seacoast over 800 miles away? Did the Merchant Navy make a point of recruiting sailors from a region as far away as possible from the sea? And in case if Mirpuris represented only a small proportion of sailors in the Merchant Navy, then would they be the only ones who came and not the non-Mirpuris in the Merchant Navy (in proportionally larger numbers)?

 

[mani1]

Why would there be so many Mirpuris in the Merchant Navy considering that Mirpur is at the opposite end of Pakistan to Pakistan's seacoast over 800 miles away? Did the Merchant Navy make a point of recruiting sailors from a region as far away as possible from the sea? And in case if Mirpuris represented only a small proportion of sailors in the Merchant Navy, then would they be the only ones who came and not the non-Mirpuris in the Merchant Navy (in proportionally larger numbers)?

There were loads from Yemen

but in protests in Poonch and Mirpur by people long disenchanted with Maharaja Hari Singh’s rule. The people of Poonch and Mirpur eventually ‘liberated’ themselves from the Maharaja’s rule and formed the government of Azad Kashmir in October, before the king acceded to India.

Providing the context to this ‘liberation’, Snedden said, “Poonch and Mirpur had a rugged terrain and very small land holdings. The people couldn’t subsist on the land they had. So a lot of Mirpuris joined the merchant navy

https://www.thehindu.com/features/metroplus/reimagining-kashmir/article4465702.ece

 

[Yossarian]

Slightly off topic, but wasn't it due to the corrupt collusion of the British & Pakistani governments, that Land in Toba Tek Singh and UK VISAS were issued Mirpuris as a Bribe or compensation?
Naturally, if you fast-track a traditionally backward un-educated conservative community to an 'Alien' Western environment, it's going to take generations to adapt into a progressive and prosperous community.
Current cases in point include Kurds and Afghans who I think will take decades to settle into Western societies.

Those Punjabis who regard themselves as Arains ( آرائین ), out of the early arrivals from Pakistan in the late 50's and 60's, set a lot of store on their children being educated when they brought their young families over in the late 60's / early 70's, and this sub-group generally speaking does not suffer to the same extent from the social and economic problems of Pakistani origin British citizens being discussed here. And yes, many of them are from the Toba Tek Singh / Lyallpur region.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

His remains were buried near his family's ancestral home town of Samundari in Punjab province, Pakistan, in October 2005

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12621383

The 27-year-old was described by locals in his neighbourhood of Barking, east London, as the son of parents from Jhelum, a town in Pakistan’s Punjab province. Butt, who was born in Pakistan but brought up in Britain, was a keen supporter of Arsenal football club, whose shirt he wore during the attack, and spoke with a London accent.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/05/london-bridge-attacker-named-as-khuram-butt

Tahir Pervez, Khan's maternal uncle, said: "They used to be up all the night talking to each other whenever Khan visited Tanweer during this period." He said his nephew travelled away from his home village of Samoodran in Faislabad, with Khan. "Both times Tanweer went out with Khan, he told us that he was going to Rawalpindi to meet Khan's relatives," he said.

In the weeks since the bombings, Hasib Hussain has been cast as a social misfit and drop-out whose overt and sudden radicalisation may have provided an early warning sign. Yet family sources reveal that he was a promising academic about to head for university and an arranged marriage. Their testimony also suggests it was highly improbable that he was exposed to radical madrassas - Islamic schools - in Pakistan, as his fellow bombers were.

He had won a place on a business studies degree course at Leeds University, starting in September. An arranged marriage to a college student in Pakistan was also in the pipeline. The boy's only visit to Pakistan since he was eight months old was a trip to the outskirts of Islamabad for his brother Imran's wedding three years ago.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-their-gentle-boy-became-a-bomber-303130.html

Oh I thought you had some actual stats, not a few individual stories cobbled together by yourself to reflect your own view. I did think it was a bit strange for any impartial body to have even done research at such a granular level.

 

[mani1]

Oh I thought you had some actual stats, not a few individual stories cobbled together by yourself to reflect your own view. I did think it was a bit strange for any impartial body to have even done research at such a granular level.

What Views, all four terrorists were Punjabi that is a fact.

Also quite a bit more reliable that Wikipedia and the daily express used by the fantasists

 

[Yossarian]

There were loads from Yemen

The Yemenis were sailors from the coastal regions of Yemen. Mirpur is over 800 miles from the sea. There's a bit of a difference. I suggest you look at a map.

but in protests in Poonch and Mirpur by people long disenchanted with Maharaja Hari Singh’s rule. The people of Poonch and Mirpur eventually ‘liberated’ themselves from the Maharaja’s rule and formed the government of Azad Kashmir in October, before the king acceded to India.

Providing the context to this ‘liberation’, Snedden said, “Poonch and Mirpur had a rugged terrain and very small land holdings. The people couldn’t subsist on the land they had. So a lot of Mirpuris joined the merchant navy

https://www.thehindu.com/features/metroplus/reimagining-kashmir/article4465702.ece

I can just imagine a Mirpuri sitting in his village many decades ago, viewing the rugged terrain around him, and thinking "I know what, I'll go and join the Merchant Navy even though I've never seen open water never mind the sea over 800 miles away". And of course the Merchant Navy captains and owners thinking "Why take sailors from the coastal regions where they're familiar with the sea, and maybe can even swim, and instead recruit sailors who've never seen open water, and never been closer than 800 miles from the sea"

 

[mani1]

The Yemenis were sailors from the coastal regions of Yemen. Mirpur is over 800 miles from the sea. There's a bit of a difference. I suggest you look at a map.


I can just imagine a Mirpuri sitting in his village many decades ago, viewing the rugged terrain around him, and thinking "I know what, I'll go and join the Merchant Navy even though I've never seen open water never mind the sea over 800 miles away". And of course the Merchant Navy captains and owners thinking "Why take sailors from the coastal regions where they're familiar with the sea, and maybe can even swim, and instead recruit sailors who've never seen open water, and never been closer than 800 miles from the sea"

Well that is what occured or did Snedden make it up?

 

[TSA321]

Rochdale getting deported to Gujrat etc etc

A quick Google search reveals this to be false.

Adil Khan, 42, a taxi driver originally from Sehnsa in Azad Jammu & Kashmir (AJK), was found guilty of trafficking and conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with a child. He came to Rochdale from Kashmir with his wife in 1997 and had a sexual relationship with a young girl just a few weeks after the birth of his first child.

Abdul Aziz, 41, another taxi driver from Panyam, Chakswari in AJK

Qari Abdul Rauf, 43, father of five from AJK was convicted of trafficking a child within the UK for sexual exploitation.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1428288

p.s. I wonder why you never mention the 1400+ girls raped in Rotherham or the 1000+ girls raped in Telford, I think it's because we all know which Pakistani sub-community is the most dominant in these towns. Rotherham is said ot have [URL="https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/grooming-gangs-rotherham-suspects-victims-girls-rape-uk-nca-prosecutions-a8609511.html"]420 suspects[/URL], I think it's fair to say it's Rotherham which is "grooming central" lol.

You also always mention the men in Glasgow who killed that White boy but never mention the Mirpuris in Peterborough who did the exact same thing to a White boy etc.

 

[TSA321]

Some families did put emphasis on education and I really think things are changing.
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Still got a long way to go by the looks of it

 

[mani1]

A quick Google search reveals this to be false.

Adil Khan, 42, a taxi driver originally from Sehnsa in Azad Jammu & Kashmir (AJK), was found guilty of trafficking and conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with a child. He came to Rochdale from Kashmir with his wife in 1997 and had a sexual relationship with a young girl just a few weeks after the birth of his first child.

Abdul Aziz, 41, another taxi driver from Panyam, Chakswari in AJK

Qari Abdul Rauf, 43, father of five from AJK was convicted of trafficking a child within the UK for sexual exploitation.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1428288

p.s. I wonder why you never mention the 1400+ girls raped in Rotherham or the 1000+ girls raped in Telford, I think it's because we all know which Pakistani sub-community is the most dominant in these towns. Rotherham is said ot have [URL="https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/grooming-gangs-rotherham-suspects-victims-girls-rape-uk-nca-prosecutions-a8609511.html"]420 suspects[/URL], I think it's fair to say it's Rotherham which is "grooming central" lol.

You also always mention the men in Glasgow who killed that White boy but never mention the Mirpuris in Peterborough who did the exact same thing to a White boy etc.

According to the Manchester men Khan is from AJK and the other 3 are from Villages in Pakistan. The ringleader is from Gujrat has been posted here many a time.

As for Rotheram how many have been convicted or charged?


Did those from from Peterborough run off to Mirpur like those Singhis did?

 

[mani1]

He said Ahmed, who first came to the UK in 1967 aged 14, is a British citizen, but would not be rendered stateless as he retains Pakistani nationality having been born in Gujrat.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....grooming-gang-deportation-rights-10903124.amp

 

[JaDed]

Still got a long way to go by the looks of it

Is this including Sikhs in India bracket? Fail to understand that when Sikhs are a race there?

 

[JaDed]

I might dislike Captain Rish a lot but at least he is more.inclusive of Pakistani despora unlike the rest of Brit Pakistanis, Mirpuris seems like what Biharis/Up were seen to be in India 2-3 years ago.

 

[mani1]

I might dislike Captain Rish a lot but at least he is more.inclusive of Pakistani despora unlike the rest of Brit Pakistanis, Mirpuris seems like what Biharis/Up were seen to be in India 2-3 years ago.

Is UP a hot spot for Punjabi beggars?

 

[Yossarian]

Well he apparently is not the only one as there is a lot of literature from British authors stating the same.

With google not around decades ago, I guess maps of Pakistan were in short supply at the time , especially in the homes of British authors.

 

[mani1]

A quick Google search reveals this to be false.

Adil Khan, 42, a taxi driver originally from Sehnsa in Azad Jammu & Kashmir (AJK), was found guilty of trafficking and conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with a child. He came to Rochdale from Kashmir with his wife in 1997 and had a sexual relationship with a young girl just a few weeks after the birth of his first child.

Abdul Aziz, 41, another taxi driver from Panyam, Chakswari in AJK

Qari Abdul Rauf, 43, father of five from AJK was convicted of trafficking a child within the UK for sexual exploitation.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1428288

p.s. I wonder why you never mention the 1400+ girls raped in Rotherham or the 1000+ girls raped in Telford, I think it's because we all know which Pakistani sub-community is the most dominant in these towns. Rotherham is said ot have [URL="https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/grooming-gangs-rotherham-suspects-victims-girls-rape-uk-nca-prosecutions-a8609511.html"]420 suspects[/URL], I think it's fair to say it's Rotherham which is "grooming central" lol.

You also always mention the men in Glasgow who killed that White boy but never mention the Mirpuris in Peterborough who did the exact same thing to a White boy etc.

He came to the UK from the same village in Pakistan as co-defendant Abdul Aziz.

The Dawn article is ** as Khan is from Ajk Aziz is from a Village in Pakistan Punjab most likely

 

[mani1]

With google not around decades ago, I guess maps of Pakistan were in short supply at the time , especially in the homes of British authors.

Ah ok you want to know the logistics of it.
Well according to the British they went to Bombay from Mirpur.

 

[TSA321]

Did those from from Peterborough run off to Mirpur like those Singhis did?

That doesn't make it much better.

 

[TSA321]

Since when was Mirpur classed as seperate?

Why do Punjabis make the underclass of Lomdon and not Afro Caribeans if education was so important?

Maybe since they realised Mirpuris perform a lot worse than certain other Pakistani groups? Who knows.

Simple answer: they don't. As for why Afro Caribbeans may be earning more; they're much less likely to be recent immigrants and more likely to be 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation. Also, they will face less discrimination.

 

[TSA321]

Is this including Sikhs in India bracket? Fail to understand that when Sikhs are a race there?

Yes it is, they aren't treated separately from Indians in most things.

 

[mani1]

Maybe since they realised Mirpuris perform a lot worse than certain other Pakistani groups? Who knows.

Simple answer: they don't. As for why Afro Caribbeans may be earning more; they're much less likely to be recent immigrants and more likely to be 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation. Also, they will face less discrimination.

So why cant you show me poverty figures then

Every one apart from Bengalis earn more than Punjabis in London & Scotland.

Afro Caribeans are also much more likely to be Asylum seekers and much less likely to work cash in hand too.

Why is Manchester with a large Punjabi and Bengali population have less money per capita than Bradford as per the ONS?

 

[Salma_T]

Re the navy merchant 1 person from the area got in and then recruited people from surrounds. My relatives were in the merchant navy and travelled to the UK and Mumbai on a regular basis and these men if alive would be in their 100s now. In terms of settlement in the UK that started from the 50s I would say.

 

[mani1]

That doesn't make it much better.

So how do you know they all are Mirpuris if any one of them has Awan surname which is very common in Attock.

 

[mani1]

So why cant you show me poverty figures then

Every one apart from Bengalis earn more than Punjabis in London & Scotland.

Afro Caribeans are also much more likely to be Asylum seekers and much less likely to work cash in hand too.

Why is Manchester with a large Punjabi and Bengali population have less money per capita than Bradford as per the ONS?

Less likely to be Asylum seekers

 

[ElRaja]

yawn!!! who cares... if someone is willing to judge you on your ethnicity alone, chances are we are all the same to em anyway

only people who care so much about how their ethnic group is perceived by others are those who choose that to be their primary definition.

yes im ethnically pakistani, but thats the least interesting part of me, hopefully. about time we get over this and just try to portray a positive image by doing our little bit.

im not responsible nor liable for the behaviour of other britpaks, all i can do is hopefully portray a positive image of britpaks to the people i interact with, and where i can look to help other britpaks who deserve it.

 

[TSA321]

Every one apart from Bengalis earn more than Punjabis in London & Scotland.

There are 100s of different ethnicities in London. Just because Pakistanis may be earning less than White, Indians and Afro-Caribbeans it doesn't mean they're earning less than all the other 100s of ethnicities as well.

Why is Manchester with a large Punjabi and Bengali population have less money per capita than Bradford as per the ONS?

The vast majority of people in Manchester are not Punjabi so this doesn't mean anything.

 

[mani1]

There are 100s of different ethnicities in London. Just because Pakistanis may be earning less than White, Indians and Afro-Caribbeans it doesn't mean they're earning less than all the other 100s of ethnicities as well.


The vast majority of people in Manchester are not Punjabi so this doesn't mean anything.

The vast majority of Pakistanis are Punjabi and if you check the poverty figures by ethnicity you will see Punjabis at the bottom just like in London and in Scotland etc etc

Actually Punjabis did earn the least compared to other ethnicitys the charts have been posted multiple times

46% dont work and 46% earn less than the living wage.

GSCEs dont seem to be paying off do they?

 

[Salma_T]

yawn!!! who cares... if someone is willing to judge you on your ethnicity alone, chances are we are all the same to em anyway

only people who care so much about how their ethnic group is perceived by others are those who choose that to be their primary definition.

yes im ethnically pakistani, but thats the least interesting part of me, hopefully. about time we get over this and just try to portray a positive image by doing our little bit.

im not responsible nor liable for the behaviour of other britpaks, all i can do is hopefully portray a positive image of britpaks to the people i interact with, and where i can look to help other britpaks who deserve it.

Well said

 

[mani1]

As you can see least paid

 

[PakLFC]

I think you're being unfair to them, you sound like those white supremacists that muslims and blacks.

No I am being very fair if you have a look at what communities perform well and poorly. I also have a go at my community for certain things as well being an education oriented man.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

The President of Pakistan once called Punjabis a Buzdil Kaum

As for rude theres a reason those from the Sikh heartland of Lahore of abandoned the language most associated with the Hindustani Army.

Even gone as far as changing there family names.... But that is a different topic altogether.

I recently bought a book about short stories from Kashmir from different peoples perspectives
Arundhati Roy is one of the orthodox on kamir, I will keep this topic open from when I’ve read it

 

[Pakistanian]

I recently bought a book about short stories from Kashmir from different peoples perspectives
Arundhati Roy is one of the orthodox on kamir, I will keep this topic open from when I’ve read it

What does Kashmir have anything to do with Mirpur/Poonch or the diaspora in England? lool

 

[chacha kashmiri]

What does Kashmir have anything to do with Mirpur/Poonch or the diaspora in England? lool

What does Afghanistan or Tunisia or Palestine or America have anything to do with us either
Kashmir Valleys a little closer to home I suppose

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I might dislike Captain Rish a lot but at least he is more.inclusive of Pakistani despora unlike the rest of Brit Pakistanis, Mirpuris seems like what Biharis/Up were seen to be in India 2-3 years ago.

To be fair, I don't think mani1 is representative of all Mirpuris, he is only one I have seen who has an extreme aversion to Punjabis. In fact not even sure he is a Pakistani, he has never described himself as one, perhaps a fundo Kashmiri separatist. There are some versions on the other side as well such as PakLFC, although never sure if that guy isn't just a troll, he is often making disparaging remarks about Afghans and Kashmiris and claims he is located in Jurassic Park, which I took to be a joke on his prehistoric mindset, which if you combine it with his signature might suggest where he is coming from.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

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As you can see least paid

You can't really see anything on that, it is poor resolution and you haven't provided the source so we could look at it properly. As I said earlier, I would love to know which reputable organisation would have broken down Pakistani British citizen into regional origin subsets. I find that hard to believe.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

To be fair, I don't think mani1 is representative of all Mirpuris, he is only one I have seen who has an extreme aversion to Punjabis. In fact not even sure he is a Pakistani, he has never described himself as one, perhaps a fundo Kashmiri separatist. There are some versions on the other side as well such as PakLFC, although never sure if that guy isn't just a troll, he is often making disparaging remarks about Afghans and Kashmiris and claims he is located in Jurassic Park, which I took to be a joke on his prehistoric mindset, which if you combine it with his signature might suggest where he is coming from.

I spoke to an Uber driver not long ago who had an extreme aversion to Pakistani Afghan immigrants/Asylum seekers

 

[mani1]

You can't really see anything on that, it is poor resolution and you haven't provided the source so we could look at it properly. As I said earlier, I would love to know which reputable organisation would have broken down Pakistani British citizen into regional origin subsets. I find that hard to believe.

It says on it Labour force survey ONS

https://www.trustforlondon.org.uk/data/low-pay-ethnicity/

 

[SpiritOf1903]

It says on it Labour force survey ONS

https://www.trustforlondon.org.uk/data/low-pay-ethnicity/

Many Kashmiris may consider themselves Punjabi, that is a possibility. Don't really see where this thread is going, it's bizarre now.

With an avatar of Sultan Erdogan, who is suppressing cultural difference, it is mystifying.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I spoke to an Uber driver not long ago who had an extreme aversion to Pakistani Afghan immigrants/Asylum seekers

What nationality was the Uber driver?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It says on it Labour force survey ONS

https://www.trustforlondon.org.uk/data/low-pay-ethnicity/

As I thought, that only separates by nationality, not regional subset, so how are you using those stats to support your anti-Punjabi stance?

 

[mani1]

As I thought, that only separates by nationality, not regional subset, so how are you using those stats to support your anti-Punjabi stance?

By using the same logic used by "Urban" Pakistanis and "Academics" in regards to Census and Bradford & Birmingham etc etc

Though coincidentally I don't see you asking this question when the comical census expert fantasists be posting there tripe.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

By using the same logic used by "Urban" Pakistanis and "Academics" in regards to Census and Bradford & Birmingham etc etc

Though coincidentally I don't see you asking this question when the comical census expert fantasists be posting there tripe.

At least the other fantasists or urban Pakistanis aren't using stats and graphs for purposes they were never intended to mislead people. You can just call people out for ethnic complex without such stunts. As for me I have called out the fantasists plenty of times, but if you are looking with one eye you are likely going to keep missing it.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

What nationality was the Uber driver?

Pakistani Punjabi.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

What makes everything academic is one of the perpetrators is a surgeon!. Unless he bought his qualification ...

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Pakistani Punjabi.

I'm assuming that the driver was himself an immigrant, you tend to find that those who come over are the ones who perpetuate the regional divides, usually they ones who are born abroad will have grown up with and mingled with the others so this sort of suspicion is less noticeable.

That said, I suppose it depends on the town and area. I can only speak of where I live which is a mixed community, I suppose where you have whole areas which are Mirpuri or Punjabi exclusively, it would be easy to fuel the differences.

 

[shaz619]

Jokes aside, I agree with [MENTION=396]mani1[/MENTION] with certain groups being overly deionized. Punjabis are not perfect at all, they have a reputation for either having an inferior complex or adopting Salafist versions of Islam; this is probably in line with those responsible for the terror attacks who were not mirpuri. On top of that the younger ones male and female legit embrace the clubbing scene and experimenting with different groups of people now that is fine, but long term relationships and love are never their immediate goals.

 

[shaz619]

Also, most of the taxi drivers that pick me up are generally punjabi; although you get a mix of both in food places. But people forget some of the best national desi restaurants were founded by mirpuris.

 

[shaz619]

I don't know why punjabi's get away with everything, mirpuris are stereotyped too much. When punjabis do something bad, we all look bad because in the press they are refereed to as British "Pakistanis"

 

[in_cutter]

Arrogance being shown by the ‘posh’ Pakistanis who blame problems in the Pakistani community on Mirpuris. Nice.

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

Lack of unity is a problem. We are all pakistanis!

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Jokes aside, I agree with [MENTION=396]mani1[/MENTION] with certain groups being overly deionized. Punjabis are not perfect at all, they have a reputation for either having an inferior complex or adopting Salafist versions of Islam; this is probably in line with those responsible for the terror attacks who were not mirpuri. On top of that the younger ones male and female legit embrace the clubbing scene and experimenting with different groups of people now that is fine, but long term relationships and love are never their immediate goals.

That's a counter sweeping statement. Many 'Mirpuris' love clubbing and living it large. In UK, Bengalis and Indian Punjabi are the biggest clubbers; I doubt that's specific to any particular group.

Ultimately, urbanites the world over have a more liberal and 'objective' view on life. Most of the prominent 'secular' or ex-Muslim people are Pakistani and Iranian.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Jokes aside, I agree with [MENTION=396]mani1[/MENTION] with certain groups being overly deionized. Punjabis are not perfect at all, they have a reputation for either having an inferior complex or adopting Salafist versions of Islam; this is probably in line with those responsible for the terror attacks who were not mirpuri. On top of that the younger ones male and female legit embrace the clubbing scene and experimenting with different groups of people now that is fine, but long term relationships and love are never their immediate goals.

A lot of contradictory statements there, Punjabis are both Salafist terrorists and clubbing racial experimenters. Perhaps that would suggest that they are not that different to most other Pakistani groups and don't fit into one box, which is not that surprising since most people have their own minds. No doubt it will be the same for Mirpuris. Not sure about Pathans though, I know you don't have a great opinion on them, perhaps they are more worthy of ethnic stereotypes?

 

[Pakistanian]

I think Pakistanis need to stop crapping on each other and band together.

 

[TSA321]

That's a counter sweeping statement. Many 'Mirpuris' love clubbing and living it large. In UK, Bengalis and Indian Punjabi are the biggest clubbers; .

Bengalis? I don’t think so. If you’re talking about Desis, generally the non-Muslim ones (Sikhs, Guji Hindus, Tamils) go clubbing far more than the Muslim Desis do based on my experience.

 

[JaDed]

Lack of unity is a problem. We are all pakistanis!

You are British too brother..do you have that love for your fellow Brits or modern assimilation is a failure?

 

[JaDed]

Bengalis? I don’t think so. If you’re talking about Desis, generally the non-Muslim ones (Sikhs, Guji Hindus, Tamils) go clubbing far more than the Muslim Desis do based on my experience.

Tamil is not a religion.

 

[TSA321]

Tamil is not a religion.

In the UK, 99%+ of them are Hindu or Christian (don't quote me on that)

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You are British too brother..do you have that love for your fellow Brits or modern assimilation is a failure?

I find that most British Pakistanis celebrate both the British and Pakistani identity, the two are not mutually exclusive, although I celebrate the British culture more personally.

Although I will never celebrate England in sports events, I usually want them to lose which infuriates my younger British Pakistani relatives and associates. In this regard I am a classic Namak Haram.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Bengalis? I don’t think so. If you’re talking about Desis, generally the non-Muslim ones (Sikhs, Guji Hindus, Tamils) go clubbing far more than the Muslim Desis do based on my experience.

Bengalis run many restaurants and sell alcohol in most. There are many in Yorkshire and Newcastle. Quite a few like a tipple themselves, too.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Surely the whole premise of this argument is incorrect given that in the UK Pakistanis of Mirpuri origin significantly outnumber Pakistanis of Punjabi or non Mirpuri origin. All the government stats show this.

https://webarchive.nationalarchives....gov.uk/documents/communities/pdf/1170952.pdf

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-met...miri-research-project-2011---final-report.pdf

 

[mani1]

Surely the whole premise of this argument is incorrect given that in the UK Pakistanis of Mirpuri origin significantly outnumber Pakistanis of Punjabi or non Mirpuri origin. All the government stats show this.

https://webarchive.nationalarchives....gov.uk/documents/communities/pdf/1170952.pdf

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-met...miri-research-project-2011---final-report.pdf

From one of the links

Pakistanis encompass a number of distinct regional and linguistic groups including
Pathans, Punjabis, Mirpuris, Sindhis and Balochis. There are no accurate figures available

Even if there are one wonders why all the Terrorists and "Honour" killers are Punjabi and also a massively disproportionate amount of street groomers are also Punjabi.

I won't even get in to the fraudulent Asylum seekers and Stoodants.

 

[TSA321]

Even if there are one wonders why all the Terrorists and "Honour" killers are Punjabi and also a massively disproportionate amount of street groomers are also Punjabi.

Once again, a quick Google search reveals this to be wrong.

Ahmed stabbed to death Glasgow shopkeeper Asad Shah - who belonged to the persecuted Ahmadi sect - because he believed he was committing blasphemy by uploading online videos in which he claimed to be a prophet.

On Monday evening, about 400 gathered outside his family's home in the city of Mirpur, in Pakistan-administered Kashmir for a rally in his honour. The crowd chanted slogans praising Ahmed as "brave" and "courageous".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-39112840

Junaid Hussain (born circa 1994) was a second-generation British national whose family hailed from the Pakistani side of Kashmir

http://www.academia.edu/36582618/A_...e_the_Islamic_State_s_Chief_Terror_Cybercoach

 

[mani1]

Once again, a quick Google search reveals this to be wrong.

Ahmed stabbed to death Glasgow shopkeeper Asad Shah - who belonged to the persecuted Ahmadi sect - because he believed he was committing blasphemy by uploading online videos in which he claimed to be a prophet.

On Monday evening, about 400 gathered outside his family's home in the city of Mirpur, in Pakistan-administered Kashmir for a rally in his honour. The crowd chanted slogans praising Ahmed as "brave" and "courageous".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-39112840

Junaid Hussain (born circa 1994) was a second-generation British national whose family hailed from the Pakistani side of Kashmir

http://www.academia.edu/36582618/A_...e_the_Islamic_State_s_Chief_Terror_Cybercoach

A targeted religiously motivated killing is hardly a terrorist attack even the headline is

Murderer Tanveer Ahmed inspires Pakistani hardliners from Scottish jail

Coincidently no one from Mirpur knows of this event taking place

Also article written by By Secunder Kermani and Sajid Iqbal
The second one Nafees Hamid lol

Also not in the UK how many Punjabis from London have been caught in Syria or recruiting

 

[mani1]

When BBC correspondent Secunder Kermani wanted to get a haircut in Pakistan, he decided to head to Mirpur, in Pakistan-administered Kashmir. It was the one city where he could be sure of getting the same cut he normally has in London.

This is the quality of journalist he is.

 

[mani1]

Terrorist attacks In Britain

His remains were buried near his family's ancestral home town of Samundari in Punjab province, Pakistan, in October 2005

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12621383

The 27-year-old was described by locals in his neighbourhood of Barking, east London, as the son of parents from Jhelum, a town in Pakistan’s Punjab province. Butt, who was born in Pakistan but brought up in Britain, was a keen supporter of Arsenal football club, whose shirt he wore during the attack, and spoke with a London accent.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...as-khuram-butt

Tahir Pervez, Khan's maternal uncle, said: "They used to be up all the night talking to each other whenever Khan visited Tanweer during this period." He said his nephew travelled away from his home village of Samoodran in Faislabad, with Khan. "Both times Tanweer went out with Khan, he told us that he was going to Rawalpindi to meet Khan's relatives," he said.

In the weeks since the bombings, Hasib Hussain has been cast as a social misfit and drop-out whose overt and sudden radicalisation may have provided an early warning sign. Yet family sources reveal that he was a promising academic about to head for university and an arranged marriage. Their testimony also suggests it was highly improbable that he was exposed to radical madrassas - Islamic schools - in Pakistan, as his fellow bombers were.

He had won a place on a business studies degree course at Leeds University, starting in September. An arranged marriage to a college student in Pakistan was also in the pipeline. The boy's only visit to Pakistan since he was eight months old was a trip to the outskirts of Islamabad for his brother Imran's wedding three years ago.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...er-303130.html

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Surely the whole premise of this argument is incorrect given that in the UK Pakistanis of Mirpuri origin significantly outnumber Pakistanis of Punjabi or non Mirpuri origin. All the government stats show this.

https://webarchive.nationalarchives....gov.uk/documents/communities/pdf/1170952.pdf

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-met...miri-research-project-2011---final-report.pdf

The 'stats' being presented by mani1 are not really stats, he is picking individual stories and applying them across the board. It is liking seeing a couple of stories of white paedophiles in the UK and then claiming that white people are driving force of paedophilia in the country.

 

[mani1]

The 'stats' being presented by mani1 are not really stats, he is picking individual stories and applying them across the board. It is liking seeing a couple of stories of white paedophiles in the UK and then claiming that white people are driving force of paedophilia in the country.

Were there more than four Pakistani's whom were involved in terrorist acts in the UK?

Also his government stats were reufuted by one the articles he posted

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Were there more than four Pakistani's whom were involved in terrorist acts in the UK?

Also his government stats were reufuted by one the articles he posted

Govt stats will have been collected by a responsible body I would think, and would have at least a decent sample size, not based on four Pakistanis like some might attempt to pass off as serious data.

 

[mani1]

Govt stats will have been collected by a responsible body I would think, and would have at least a decent sample size, not based on four Pakistanis like some might attempt to pass off as serious data.

So you refuse to answer the question I wonder why.

Again from his link

Pakistanis encompass a number of distinct regional and linguistic groups including
Pathans, Punjabis, Mirpuris, Sindhis and Balochis. There are no accurate figures available

Dont them same "stats" state Punjabis are the majority in London Scotland and Manchester?

Stats show they make the underclass there

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So you refuse to answer the question I wonder why.

Again from his link

Pakistanis encompass a number of distinct regional and linguistic groups including
Pathans, Punjabis, Mirpuris, Sindhis and Balochis. There are no accurate figures available

Dont them same "stats" state Punjabis are the majority in London Scotland and Manchester?

Stats show they make the underclass there

No they don't. You won't be able to produce any stats which show that Punjabis are the underclass in London, Scotland or Manchester, because there aren't any. Your mish mash of different surveys to produce your own one-eyed perspective doesn't count as a responsible study, I'm sorry.

 

[mani1]

No they don't. You won't be able to produce any stats which show that Punjabis are the underclass in London, Scotland or Manchester, because there aren't any. Your mish mash of different surveys to produce your own one-eyed perspective doesn't count as a responsible study, I'm sorry.

Well "Government Stats" and you stated in post #3
" Mirpuris are heavily based in the north and midlands, not so much the south I believe."

Now see which group is the least paid in London and the least in employment.

 

[mani1]

If the Government "Stats" based on "Estimates" are to believe why are Punjabi's massively over represented in Suicide/Terrorist attacks in the UK, and "Honour" Killings and street Grooming?

Again I will ask were there more than four Pakistani's involved in terrorists acts in Britain?

 

[mani1]

Says it all really

 

[mani1]

Pay Gap by Ethnicity
External research* by the Poverty Site showed that:

Almost half of all Bangladeshi and Pakistani employees earned less than £7 per hour. This was a much higher proportion than that for any other ethnic group.
Taking this indicator and the indicator on work and ethnicity together, Bangladeshis and Pakistanis had both the lowest work rates and, once in work, the highest likelihood of low pay.

http://www.gov.scot/Topics/People/Eq...hnicity/EthPov

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

These are your numbers, you kept asking about four Pakistanis involved in terrorist acts, so now I will ask you again:

Please enlighten us as to why you think this number is important, and what it signifies. Once you have done this, we can look at it in further detail if you like. But please don't keep harping on about these numbers unless you can actually give your own input.

 

[mani1]

These are your numbers, you kept asking about four Pakistanis involved in terrorist acts, so now I will ask you again:

Please enlighten us as to why you think this number is important, and what it signifies. Once you have done this, we can look at it in further detail if you like. But please don't keep harping on about these numbers unless you can actually give your own input.

All four Pakistani terrorists were Punjabi's despite "Government Stats" estimating they are a minority as far as Brit Paks are concerned.

You seem to have a problem with this for some reason.

 

[shaz619]

Maybe these Punjabi's over here should speak out against the terrorists instead of defending them or ignoring they even exist or committed proven crimes

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

All four Pakistani terrorists were Punjabi's despite "Government Stats" estimating they are a minority as far as Brit Paks are concerned.

You seem to have a problem with this for some reason.

No, I already explained that using four people isn't a big enough sample size to prove anything, I gave the specific example of paedophiles who could be all of one ethnicity in a paedophile ring. That is why surveys are done with larger amount of people usually taking into account a decent spread of other criteria as well.

It's fine to have your own opinion, but don't try to pass it off as approved stats when you could blow holes big enough to drive a truck through if you put those stats under the microscope.

 

[mani1]

No, I already explained that using four people isn't a big enough sample size to prove anything, I gave the specific example of paedophiles who could be all of one ethnicity in a paedophile ring. That is why surveys are done with larger amount of people usually taking into account a decent spread of other criteria as well.

It's fine to have your own opinion, but don't try to pass it off as approved stats when you could blow holes big enough to drive a truck through if you put those stats under the microscope.

Why dont you put them through a microscope?

There were 2 incidents with Pakistani's involved or were there more?

I did when the fantasists were bragging that Pakistanis are big time in Scotland & London because they are "Urban"

When the figures show that they are by far the least in employment and the most in low pay compared to all other ethnicities.

 

[Yossarian]

No, I already explained that using four people isn't a big enough sample size to prove anything, I gave the specific example of paedophiles who could be all of one ethnicity in a paedophile ring. That is why surveys are done with larger amount of people usually taking into account a decent spread of other criteria as well.

It's fine to have your own opinion, but don't try to pass it off as approved stats when you could blow holes big enough to drive a truck through if you put those stats under the microscope.

Captain. Stop posting logical arguments based upon accepted norms regarding sample sizes when drawing conclusions. Just like you, I too live in a predominantly 'gorey' area, although I grew up in an inner city area (now mainly desi, although not when I was growing up there) of a town with a large Pakistani ethnic population. Based upon the logic of the PPers you're arguing against, I can safely say, based upon the sample size of the area I live in (eg 5 mile radius of my house), there are absolutely zero mosques, and very few Muslims, in the UK.