British Pakistanis - Why use Mirpuris as a yardstick when they number far less than, eg, Punjabis?

[Yossarian]

So often when the media and statisticians discuss 'British Pakistani's', they fail to realise that there are significant differences in social attitudes, education priorities, employment - just to name a few - between them due to originating from different geographical areas of Pakistan, between the early migrants (of the 50's and 60's) and their descendants versus the later arrivals (including those from East Africa), between those originating from urban areas versus the rural towns and villages.

For example, those originally from the Mirpur area are usually depicted as being very conservative in social attitudes.

What do PPers think? How do you feel the different groups are stereotyped by the British Pakistani's themselves and the way they regard each other?

Discuss.

- And if the Indian PPers wish to join the discussion, perhaps they could comment upon these differences in attitudes amongst Indian's themselves and how they view each other?

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Why use Mirpuri's as a yardstick when they number far less than, eg, Punjabi's?

They are of course a minority in Pakistan but do Mirpuri's not make up the majority of Pakistanis in the UK?

There are 747,000 Mirpuris in the United Kingdom, forming about 70% of the British Pakistani community

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-met...miri-research-project-2011---final-report.pdf

On a related note, from what I understand Mirpur in Kashmir has a greater proportion of wealthy people, home owners, educated children and young adults, literacy rates that most areas of Pakistan yet in the UK that isn't translated to the Mirpuris here.

As for your last question, the vast majority of UK Indians are either Punjabis or Gujaratis however more recently the Indian immigrants are a lot more diverse so things are changing. I don't see much animosity between the different groups because of who they are however there does seem to be a growing level of what can only be described as snobbery amongst the British Indian population when it comes to old vs recent immigrants. ie. looking down on or mocking 'freshies' etc.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

They are of course a minority in Pakistan but do Mirpuri's not make up the majority of Pakistanis in the UK?



http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-met...miri-research-project-2011---final-report.pdf

I'm not sure they do, they make up a big proportion but there is a large Punjabi community as well. Mirpuris are heavily based in the north and midlands, not so much the south I believe.

 

[nish_mate]

Right chaps pardon the ignorance but what is a Mirpuri and what is the fascination with them?

Is it a kind of North/South banter we have in India...and plus have to say never heard so much fascination with Mirpur/Rest of Pakistan till I came to PP.

On the streets, my Pakistani acquantainces be it the ones born here or from Pakistan talk so much of Mirpur as the volume on these pages.

Even back in the uni days, the fast food owners/operators in Leeds use to claim themselves as from Azad Kashmir but never from Mirpur???

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Right chaps pardon the ignorance but what is a Mirpuri and what is the fascination with them?

Is it a kind of North/South banter we have in India...and plus have to say never heard so much fascination with Mirpur/Rest of Pakistan till I came to PP.

On the streets, my Pakistani acquantainces be it the ones born here or from Pakistan talk so much of Mirpur as the volume on these pages.

Even back in the uni days, the fast food owners/operators in Leeds use to claim themselves as from Azad Kashmir but never from Mirpur???

Mirpur is a town in Azad Kashmir from where a lot of immigrants arrived in the 60's and 70's. They tended to be less education oriented than others although that might be changing. The elders were quite conservative religion wise as compared to Punjabis, although a lot of the younger generation are wannabe gangstas, although again, there are plenty of Punjabis who are like that as well.

They speak slightly different dialect, but I can understand it quite easily, it's not that different to Punjbai. I have got some good friends who are from there, they are decent guys usually.

 

[UmarAkmals-fan]

Right chaps pardon the ignorance but what is a Mirpuri and what is the fascination with them?

Is it a kind of North/South banter we have in India...and plus have to say never heard so much fascination with Mirpur/Rest of Pakistan till I came to PP.

On the streets, my Pakistani acquantainces be it the ones born here or from Pakistan talk so much of Mirpur as the volume on these pages.

Even back in the uni days, the fast food owners/operators in Leeds use to claim themselves as from Azad Kashmir but never from Mirpur???

mirpur is a small town in pakistani kashmir ..in the 60s (might be wrong) pakistani governemnt was going to built mangla dam in mirpur which would give electricity to half of pakistan ..to build the dam the governemnt had to destroy nearly whole of mirpur .pak gov didnt have much money to compensate mirpuri ppl ..they gave british visas to most mirpuries instend of money ..now majority of pakistanis in uk r from mirpur ...because of so many ppl in uk mirpur has become the richest city in pakistan ..unlike most of pakistan mirpur is very safe (no bomb blasts kidnapping sectrian riots etc etc )..people around pakistan call it the MINI UK lol ...and despite being a tiny city it has its own cricket stadium ...hope i answered ur question ..sorry for bad english

 

[nish_mate]

Thank you Captain & UAF- much appreciated the detailed answers and yes they are quite helpful- not that it makes me understand the apparent snobbery of US Pakistanis and this downlooking upon Mirpuris?

And also is there a town called Mirpur in Bangladesh as well which has a high migrant population in UK, to muddy the waters a bit more??

 

[niishaa]

There was a thread on PP with extensive discussion on mirpuris. I think the thread had to do with pakistani men grooming white girls. From that thread i basically understood that bradford area etc is full of mirpuris who are wanna be gangsters i think the word was chavs( another word i first heard on Pp) uneducated and are bringing bad name to pakistan. In fact the somali thread reminded me of mirpuri bashing. I don't know whether to take this stereotype seriously.

 

[TSA321]

I'm not sure they do, they make up a big proportion but there is a large Punjabi community as well. Mirpuris are heavily based in the north and midlands, not so much the south I believe.

AFAIK they make up the majority in Peterborough, Slough, High Wycombe, Luton and even parts of East London.
There are lots of Punjabis though as well.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Thank you Captain & UAF- much appreciated the detailed answers and yes they are quite helpful- not that it makes me understand the apparent snobbery of US Pakistanis and this downlooking upon Mirpuris?

And also is there a town called Mirpur in Bangladesh as well which has a high migrant population in UK, to muddy the waters a bit more??

The US Pakistanis are mainly big city dwellers and thus on the whole are centered around themselves or immediate family. They are trained to be outwardly focused all their lives. Whereas the other lot are from small towns and villages, much more community focused. These values that generally traverse into the adjoining potohari region of Pakistan has helped transform the lives of millions of people without much education. Because you are so focused inwardly, the insularity becomes a limiting factor after a certain point.

Actually, I have seen parallels with Gujjis (ones from africa) and Bohras (muslim community from gujrat. lot in mumbai and karachi), despite being more educated, are highly insular too.

The snobs who are from small towns in punjab are just jealous kunts. You only have to go accross the "border" from Azad Kashmir into Punjab to see how much of a sh1t hole they have created for themselves.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

I'm not sure they do, they make up a big proportion but there is a large Punjabi community as well. Mirpuris are heavily based in the north and midlands, not so much the south I believe.

Perhaps those stats are out of date then.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Going off tangent a bit here, and this is probably a question for the likes of [MENTION=137893]enkidu_[/MENTION] / [MENTION=78856]akheR[/MENTION], but what part of the sub-c (or further afield) do most mirpuris originate from? Because tbh they don't really look like your archetypical Kashmiris. Well at least the British ones don't.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Going off tangent a bit here, and this is probably a question for the likes of [MENTION=137893]enkidu_[/MENTION] / [MENTION=78856]akheR[/MENTION], but what part of the sub-c (or further afield) do most mirpuris originate from? Because tbh they don't really look like your archetypical Kashmiris. Well at least the British ones don't.

Because lot of them are the same as in the adjoining potohar region of Pakistan. Mirpur is typically more like Jammu then Kashmir.

You know know Aitizaz Hassan from lawyer protest fame, his brother in law is (deceased now) from mirpur division. The higher up and closer to the border (LOC) you go, you begin to see differences.

 

[Laal]

I haven't encountered many Mirpuris in the US, but the ones that I've, I was left unimpressed.

 

[speed]

According to wiki mirpur only has a population of 105,000 that means there are 7 times as many mirpuris in the uk than mirpur itself.

 

[Salma_T]

I am classed as a mirpuri yet my village is about 2 hrs away. The Azad Kashmiris in England are from mirpur district being the majority and then yoi have others from Kotli district and they both cover quite large areas.

 

[Zahid87]

Going off tangent a bit here, and this is probably a question for the likes of [MENTION=137893]enkidu_[/MENTION] / [MENTION=78856]akheR[/MENTION], but what part of the sub-c (or further afield) do most mirpuris originate from? Because tbh they don't really look like your archetypical Kashmiris. Well at least the British ones don't.

Sure [MENTION=137893]enkidu_[/MENTION] would know more, but from what I understand the 'Mirpuri's' that are here in the UK, are mainly Jatt. More than any other group, Jatts lost their ancestral land more when it came to the construction of the Mangla Dam.

You can't think of all the areas that make up J&K as a homogenous state which have the makeup of one ethnic group. Jammu is typically made up of people who have a culture more akin to Punjabis, as are the Potohari areas of AJK. To call them 'Kashmiri' is not strictly true. It's more an accident of history that these areas comprise of an area widely known as Kashmir.

 

[pak4life]

According to wiki mirpur only has a population of 105,000 that means there are 7 times as many mirpuris in the uk than mirpur itself.

According to wiki mirpur only has a population of 105,000 that means there are 7 times as many mirpuris in the uk than mirpur itself.

There seems to much confusion regarding the term 'mirpuri'. The town Mirpur itself is very modern with a highly educated population. The vast majority of people in England are not from the town of Mirpur but from the district of Mirpur.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirpur_District

Part of that district is a place called Dadyal which is surrounded with about 70 villages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dadyal

This is where the much maligned 'mirpuri' comes from.

 

[Salma_T]

There seems to much confusion regarding the term 'mirpuri'. The town Mirpur itself is very modern with a highly educated population. The vast majority of people in England are not from the town of Mirpur but from the district of Mirpur.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirpur_District

Part of that district is a place called Dadyal which is surrounded with about 70 villages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dadyal

This is where the much maligned 'mirpuri' comes from.

To be fair the town of mirpur only become modern/educated after many of its inhabitants went to the UK. As many villages around mirpur were flooded and they bought land in the town. Also many displaced moved to punjab also.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

To be fair the town of mirpur only become modern/educated after many of its inhabitants went to the UK. As many villages around mirpur were flooded and they bought land in the town. Also many displaced moved to punjab also.

From what I know from friends, a lot of UK Mirpuris spent a big money on property in Mirpur and there are some swanky homes there now. I'm not sure that there is much population there to live in these properties though, a lot of their families are over here now.

 

[Salma_T]

From what I know from friends, a lot of UK Mirpuris spent a big money on property in Mirpur and there are some swanky homes there now. I'm not sure that there is much population there to live in these properties though, a lot of their families are over here now.

Yep mansions that are empty or punjabis paid to live in them. That is the case for most mirpur district empty houses (total waste of money if you ask me). The area is referred to as the walayti (British) belt.

 

[Bewal Express]

I have Mirpuri grand parents on my mums side and on my dads side going back to about 120 years ago. I find Mirpuri`s to be generous and kind but if you get on their wrong side, violent and dangerous. Like with all PK, they talk a good game about Islam but when push comes to shove, money is god. I find the children of MP`s in the UK mostly slower than other communities and easily susceptible to the gangsta wannabees lifestyle worshiping Afro- Carib culture as the pinnacle of humanity. If you see young black kids wearing underpants on their head, you know the MP kids will copy the idea within weeks.

 

[Salma_T]

So what is your ethnic origin?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yep mansions that are empty or punjabis paid to live in them. That is the case for most mirpur district empty houses (total waste of money if you ask me). The area is referred to as the walayti (British) belt.

Not a good idea to pay anyone to live on those properties other than family, they might well be worth good money in time. But then again, obviously you trust those people with your homes so I will respect your judgement.

 

[Bewal Express]

I am from across the river as the name suggests, but originally going back a few generations the whole family was from khadimabad.

 

[Salma_T]

Ok I wasn't sure where Bewal was, so did your family lose their land in the construction of the dam?

 

[Bewal Express]

No, dad's side moved about 120+ years ago, I am not sure why and as they had relatives in mirpur, relations continued through marriage.

 

[PakLFC]

They are generally poorly educated and live in ghetto's. Sadly the Pakistani community as a whole has to suffer because of them.

 

[Pakistanian]

I believe there are a lot of British Pakistanis from other districts in Azad Kashmir, I hate how "mirpuri" is used as a slur against pahari-speaking people.

 

[PakLFC]

I believe there are a lot of British Pakistanis from other districts in Azad Kashmir, I hate how "mirpuri" is used as a slur against pahari-speaking people.

Coz in the UK they form 60% of the Pak community or something like that. They always seem to be involved in criminal activities coz of having no or few qualifications. This leads to poorly paid jobs or no jobs at all. By comparison I believe there are not many Kashmiris from other backgrounds in the country. They do mostly live in ghetto's like Bradford still marrying cousins and all as if we are living in the 1970's. Only through education can they improve their reputation even amongst Pakistanis.

 

[Pakistanian]

Coz in the UK they form 60% of the Pak community or something like that. They always seem to be involved in criminal activities coz of having no or few qualifications. This leads to poorly paid jobs or no jobs at all. By comparison I believe there are not many Kashmiris from other backgrounds in the country. They do mostly live in ghetto's like Bradford still marrying cousins and all as if we are living in the 1970's. Only through education can they improve their reputation even amongst Pakistanis.

I think you're being unfair to them, you sound like those white supremacists that muslims and blacks.

 

[Rafa]

Mirpuris are over-represented in criminal activities in the UK which are blamed on the entire Pakistani community , the migrants who come from urbanized centers like Lahore and Karachi are nothing like them. Also have a huge problem of being secluded and living in their own ghettos, no priority on education and very high on cousin marriages especially with someone back in Pakistan.

 

[Rafa]

https://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/wor...akes-a-distinction-after-sex-scandal-emerges/

ENGLAND (Web Desk) – A British-based newspaper has rightly drawn a line between Pakistanis and a group of Pakistanis reportedly involved in sex scandal by calling the latter “Mirpuris”.

Even most of the so called Pakistani grooming gangs in the UK are Infact largely Mirpuris but Pakistan get the blame for it.

 

[Saj]

Sadly their reputation gets worse as time passes.

 

[mani1]

Sadly their reputation gets worse as time passes.

Due to fantasists that have revived this site.

All four terrorists were Punjabi
All three "Honour" killings were done by Punjabis

Huddersfield, Oxford, Rochdale, Ayelsbury, Leeds and many many more street grooming gangs were majority Punjabis

As for "Inbreeding" 3.7% Pakistani population make 18% of deformed babies to to cousin marriage.

In Bradford Pakistanis make over 20% of the population using the glasgow percentages is it even possible for Bradford to be as inbred as Glasgow?

In Ilford 20% of all deaths linked to child marriage of Pakistanis

As for education 46% of Pakistanis in London dont work and 46% are living on less than the living wage

Similar figures in Scotland

Manchester much much more deprived then all the big Cities 5th lowest per capita income even after benefits are included
(Bradford wasnt even in the list)
Also 5th poorest local authority.

Asylum seekers all most all Punjabi
Knocking on doors begging for money
Dying in the sea etc theres a thread on it
Go to "West London" even the Sikhs are running away citing Lahories and Afghan Sikhs.

All this and much much more than this has been proven but deleted by mods

Whom seem to prefer the rants of fantasists
I wonder why...

 

[Salma_T]

Mirpuris are over-represented in criminal activities in the UK which are blamed on the entire Pakistani community , the migrants who come from urbanized centers like Lahore and Karachi are nothing like them. Also have a huge problem of being secluded and living in their own ghettos, no priority on education and very high on cousin marriages especially with someone back in Pakistan.

Yes there is a lot of truth in the above statement re crime and education. Things are changing slowly you must remember most of them came illiterate and thought we will earn money and go back. Some families did put emphasis on education and I really think things are changing.
In terms of giving non Mirpuri Pakistanis just how it goes unfortunately.

 

[Salma_T]

Due to fantasists that have revived this site.

All four terrorists were Punjabi
All three "Honour" killings were done by Punjabis

Huddersfield, Oxford, Rochdale, Ayelsbury, Leeds and many many more street grooming gangs were majority Punjabis

As for "Inbreeding" 3.7% Pakistani population make 18% of deformed babies to to cousin marriage.

In Bradford Pakistanis make over 20% of the population using the glasgow percentages is it even possible for Bradford to be as inbred as Glasgow?

In Ilford 20% of all deaths linked to child marriage of Pakistanis

As for education 46% of Pakistanis in London dont work and 46% are living on less than the living wage

Similar figures in Scotland

Manchester much much more deprived then all the big Cities 5th lowest per capita income even after benefits are included
(Bradford wasnt even in the list)
Also 5th poorest local authority.

Asylum seekers all most all Punjabi
Knocking on doors begging for money
Dying in the sea etc theres a thread on it
Go to "West London" even the Sikhs are running away citing Lahories and Afghan Sikhs.

All this and much much more than this has been proven but deleted by mods

Whom seem to prefer the rants of fantasists
I wonder why...

I was going to bring up the 7/7 bombers as compared to the grooming gangs they real put a spot light on the Pakistani community.

 

[Salma_T]

You look at the this thread who needs to be vilified by others our so called fellow country people are taking pot shots

 

[mani1]

I was going to bring up the 7/7 bombers as compared to the grooming gangs they real put a spot light on the Pakistani community.

Lets not forget the Singhi Gangstas of Glasgow or Anjum amongst many many more of that minority underclass community.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

As a mirpuri once told me , they are marginalised by others in the community
All Mirpuris in Bradford and Oldham are really backward and still don’t let their daughters speak to guys and still marry their cousins and bring them over as carers for their parents

Weirdly enough where we live in Abbaspur, a Mirpur is seen as real trendy but also ‘rude’ as in they don’t use very much grammar urdu

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Mirpuris mostly came to the UK a generation after Punjabis, don't know if it had something to do with the Mangla dam, but they are more conservative than some other ethnicities. That's not to say others can't be so as well, but they tend to be a mixture. In Punjabi communities you will also get some who are very conservative, but then you'll also get some who are very forward looking and put big store on education.

It could just be a generation gap, but then Mirpuris themselves will brag about their strict adherence to culture back home and use derogatory terms like Singhis to describe other Pakistanis who aren't as strict. There is prejudice on both sides and it is evident in this thread.

 

[Salma_T]

[MENTION=142765]King-Misbah[/MENTION] have you objected to any of the comments re the Mirpuris?

Also all this talk of cousin marriages only common in Mirpuri (Yes it happens and personally don't think anyone should esp first cousins distance relative may be). Every Pakistani drama you watch the lead pair are cousins from all backgrounds (most dramas are based in Karachi) so let's not make cousin marriage a purely Mirpuri issue

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

[MENTION=142765]King-Misbah[/MENTION] have you objected to any of the comments re the Mirpuris?

Also all this talk of cousin marriages only common in Mirpuri (Yes it happens and personally don't think anyone should esp first cousins distance relative may be). Every Pakistani drama you watch the lead pair are cousins from all backgrounds (most dramas are based in Karachi) so let's not make cousin marriage a purely Mirpuri issue

The cousin marriage does indeed happen across all communities in Pakistan, but one difference I did notice is that Mirpuris in Britain tend to get married a lot younger, I've known teenagers to be married off, not sure they always have that much say in it either. That was the case a while back, don't know what it's like these days.

 

[mani1]

Mirpuris mostly came to the UK a generation after Punjabis, don't know if it had something to do with the Mangla dam, but they are more conservative than some other ethnicities. That's not to say others can't be so as well, but they tend to be a mixture. In Punjabi communities you will also get some who are very conservative, but then you'll also get some who are very forward looking and put big store on education.

It could just be a generation gap, but then Mirpuris themselves will brag about their strict adherence to culture back home and use derogatory terms like Singhis to describe other Pakistanis who aren't as strict. There is prejudice on both sides and it is evident in this thread.

Actually Mirpuri's came first as they were in the Merchant Navy and the via the Army and finally via the Dam

Punjabis on the other hand many came via the 90s during Tonys open door policy just like the Punjabi terrorist did in London

As for the term Singhi
Those from Mirpur are called Mirpuris and those from the Toba Tek Singh are called Singhis.
Maybe they should rename it Salmanabad or
Manzoorabad i'm sure those in Manchester wont mind the latter name.

 

[mani1]

As a mirpuri once told me , they are marginalised by others in the community
All Mirpuris in Bradford and Oldham are really backward and still don’t let their daughters speak to guys and still marry their cousins and bring them over as carers for their parents

Weirdly enough where we live in Abbaspur, a Mirpur is seen as real trendy but also ‘rude’ as in they don’t use very much grammar urdu

The President of Pakistan once called Punjabis a Buzdil Kaum

As for rude theres a reason those from the Sikh heartland of Lahore of abandoned the language most associated with the Hindustani Army.

Even gone as far as changing there family names.... But that is a different topic altogether.

 

[mani1]

Punjabis on the other hand many came via the 90s during Tonys open door policy just like the Punjabi terrorist did in London
Not surprisingly he was the Son of an Asylum seeker

 

[Salma_T]

The cousin marriage does indeed happen across all communities in Pakistan, but one difference I did notice is that Mirpuris in Britain tend to get married a lot younger, I've known teenagers to be married off, not sure they always have that much say in it either. That was the case a while back, don't know what it's like these days.

Those teenage marriages are decreasing for sure

 

[Salma_T]

Punjabis on the other hand many came via the 90s during Tonys open door policy just like the Punjabi terrorist did in London
Not surprisingly he was the Son of an Asylum seeker

Really who which one?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Actually Mirpuri's came first as they were in the Merchant Navy and the via the Army and finally via the Dam

Punjabis on the other hand many came via the 90s during Tonys open door policy just like the Punjabi terrorist did in London

As for the term Singhi
Those from Mirpur are called Mirpuris and those from the Toba Tek Singh are called Singhis.
Maybe they should rename it Salmanabad or
Manzoorabad i'm sure those in Manchester wont mind the latter name.

Punjabis were here long before that, but yes there will be some who came during Tony's era as PM. just like many Mirpuris came during that time. I think the Punjabi terrorist was born here iirc. You won't find that many Pakistanis here from Toba Tek Singh, so let's not pretend that's an excuse for your attempted slurs. I am actually on your side, you don't need to stoop to these levels, I agree that the slagging off of Mirpuris is pathetic. Possibly even a bit Singhi.

 

[Salma_T]

Never ever heard the term singhi until today and don't like it as it is used as slur like mp

 

[SpiritOf1903]

What's a singhi?

The leaders of Huddersfield grooming were sikh.

Many UK Oaks listen to sikh music and their influenced rappers - mist etc, where 'karla' is used convivaly.

Yet many lyrics in Punjabi music is gross and illicit and it seems to enter the psyche of Pakistanis who listen to it.
If you're mentally restarted, through a culture which deems itself superior but then just as dumb, of course 'kuffad white trash' is a n acceptable abuse to perpetrate.

Also, what caste are most if these people then that are commuting such atrocity. Many have a love of being 'jatt' but they don't really exist amongst Paksitani.

 

[King-Misbah]

[MENTION=142765]King-Misbah[/MENTION] have you objected to any of the comments re the Mirpuris?

Also all this talk of cousin marriages only common in Mirpuri (Yes it happens and personally don't think anyone should esp first cousins distance relative may be). Every Pakistani drama you watch the lead pair are cousins from all backgrounds (most dramas are based in Karachi) so let's not make cousin marriage a purely Mirpuri issue

I object to any prejudice against any community. It's sad to see people going at each other when we all are Pakistanis. Let's get rid of our egos people.

There is nothing wrong in being conservative, real liberal, marrying your cousin etc.

 

[Halaribo]

There is nothing wrong in... marrying your cousin etc.

There is in the UK when it's significantly resulting in birth defects and genetic diseases.

 

[mani1]

Punjabis were here long before that, but yes there will be some who came during Tony's era as PM. just like many Mirpuris came during that time. I think the Punjabi terrorist was born here iirc. You won't find that many Pakistanis here from Toba Tek Singh, so let's not pretend that's an excuse for your attempted slurs. I am actually on your side, you don't need to stoop to these levels, I agree that the slagging off of Mirpuris is pathetic. Possibly even a bit Singhi.

The London Bridge one with the Arabs
Look at where the "Gangsta" Killers of Kris Donald ran off too.

Theres a few asylum seeking families from there in the City of Sanctuary based on there passports shown at the doors of clubs.

Coincidentally they claim the City of Lyal.

 

[JaDed]

The President of Pakistan once called Punjabis a Buzdil Kaum

As for rude theres a reason those from the Sikh heartland of Lahore of abandoned the language most associated with the Hindustani Army.

Even gone as far as changing there family names.... But that is a different topic altogether.

What? Punjabi is not the language associated most with Indian Army any more, the representation is more towards UP is now.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The London Bridge one with the Arabs
Look at where the "Gangsta" Killers of Kris Donald ran off too.

Theres a few asylum seeking families from there in the City of Sanctuary based on there passports shown at the doors of clubs.

Coincidentally they claim the City of Lyal.

So would you say there is a criminal element among both Punjabi and Mirpuri Pakistanis then? What would you attribute this to?

 

[mani1]

What's a singhi?


The leaders of Huddersfield grooming were sikh.

Many UK Oaks listen to sikh music and their influenced rappers - mist etc, where 'karla' is used convivaly.

Yet many lyrics in Punjabi music is gross and illicit and it seems to enter the psyche of Pakistanis who listen to it.
If you're mentally restarted, through a culture which deems itself superior but then just as dumb, of course 'kuffad white trash' is a n acceptable abuse to perpetrate.

Also, what caste are most if these people then that are commuting such atrocity. Many have a love of being 'jatt' but they don't really exist amongst Paksitani.

As for the term Singhi
Those from Mirpur are called Mirpuris and those from the Toba Tek Singh are called Singhis.
Maybe they should rename it Salmanabad or
Manzoorabad i'm sure those in Manchester wont mind the latter name.

 

[JaDed]

What's a singhi?

The leaders of Huddersfield grooming were sikh.

Many UK Oaks listen to sikh music and their influenced rappers - mist etc, where 'karla' is used convivaly.

Yet many lyrics in Punjabi music is gross and illicit and it seems to enter the psyche of Pakistanis who listen to it.
If you're mentally restarted, through a culture which deems itself superior but then just as dumb, of course 'kuffad white trash' is a n acceptable abuse to perpetrate.

Also, what caste are most if these people then that are commuting such atrocity. Many have a love of being 'jatt' but they don't really exist amongst Paksitani.

I have no love for UK Sikhs but lol you have an agenda mate.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

As for the term Singhi
Those from Mirpur are called Mirpuris and those from the Toba Tek Singh are called Singhis.
Maybe they should rename it Salmanabad or
Manzoorabad i'm sure those in Manchester wont mind the latter name.

Singhis is not the usual term, only heard that from you on this forum. The genuine equivalent to Mirpuris would be Jullundaris or Lyalpuris which you yourself hinted at with your reference to the city of Lyal.

 

[mani1]

Singhis is not the usual term, only heard that from you on this forum. The genuine equivalent to Mirpuris would be Jullundaris or Lyalpuris which you yourself hinted at with your reference to the city of Lyal.

Not really as it is a seperate City. Some are just ashamed of where they are from.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Not really as it is a seperate City. Some are just ashamed of where they are from.

Why, what is there to be ashamed of? Also did you have any opinion on the other question I asked in response to your earlier post?

So would you say there is a criminal element among both Punjabi and Mirpuri Pakistanis then? What would you attribute this to?

 

[SpiritOf1903]

I have no love for UK Sikhs but lol you have an agenda mate.

Put Brit Asia TV on and it puts the worst of American trash hop to shame

 

[Braveheart]

Slightly off topic, but wasn't it due to the corrupt collusion of the British & Pakistani governments, that Land in Toba Tek Singh and UK VISAS were issued Mirpuris as a Bribe or compensation?
Naturally, if you fast-track a traditionally backward un-educated conservative community to an 'Alien' Western environment, it's going to take generations to adapt into a progressive and prosperous community.
Current cases in point include Kurds and Afghans who I think will take decades to settle into Western societies.

 

[mani1]

Slightly off topic, but wasn't it due to the corrupt collusion of the British & Pakistani governments, that Land in Toba Tek Singh and UK VISAS were issued Mirpuris as a Bribe or compensation?
Naturally, if you fast-track a traditionally backward un-educated conservative community to an 'Alien' Western environment, it's going to take generations to adapt into a progressive and prosperous community.
Current cases in point include Kurds and Afghans who I think will take decades to settle into Western societies.

Yep hence all the terrorists, "Honour killers"
Disproportionate large amount of street groomers see Huddersfield, Dewsbury, Oxford, London Rochdale amongst many other area along with many many other heinous crimes are commited by the backward ethnicity that according to the census experts make a tiny minority of Pakistanis......

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yep hence all the terrorists, "Honour killers"
Disproportionate large amount of street groomers see Huddersfield, Dewsbury, Oxford, London Rochdale amongst many other area along with many many other heinous crimes are commited by the backward ethnicity that according to the census experts make a tiny minority of Pakistanis......

I wasn't aware that anyone had broken down the terrorists or groomers by inter-regional Pakistani ethnicity, where are you getting this from? Would be illuminating to think we have scientific and impartial observers who are able to identify to such a degree and where they get their information from.

 

[mani1]

I wasn't aware that anyone had broken down the terrorists or groomers by inter-regional Pakistani ethnicity, where are you getting this from? Would be illuminating to think we have scientific and impartial observers who are able to identify to such a degree and where they get their information from.

They have been posted on here multiple times

I can post them again if you would like?

 

[mani1]

I wasn't aware that anyone had broken down the terrorists or groomers by inter-regional Pakistani ethnicity, where are you getting this from? Would be illuminating to think we have scientific and impartial observers who are able to identify to such a degree and where they get their information from.

I wonder why you never questioned the so called "Urban" fantasists with there tripe earlier.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

They have been posted on here multiple times

I can post them again if you would like?

Yes I would like to see them.

I wonder why you never questioned the so called "Urban" fantasists with there tripe earlier.

I have, just read some of my earlier posts, I have said it is pathetic and that there is prejudice on both sides and that is evident in this thread. Mostly this type of rubbish is indulged in by people who are ignorant themselves or trolls.

 

[mani1]

Yes I would like to see them.



I have, just read some of my earlier posts, I have said it is pathetic and that there is prejudice on both sides and that is evident in this thread. Mostly this type of rubbish is indulged in by people who are ignorant themselves or trolls.

His remains were buried near his family's ancestral home town of Samundari in Punjab province, Pakistan, in October 2005

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12621383

The 27-year-old was described by locals in his neighbourhood of Barking, east London, as the son of parents from Jhelum, a town in Pakistan’s Punjab province. Butt, who was born in Pakistan but brought up in Britain, was a keen supporter of Arsenal football club, whose shirt he wore during the attack, and spoke with a London accent.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/05/london-bridge-attacker-named-as-khuram-butt

Tahir Pervez, Khan's maternal uncle, said: "They used to be up all the night talking to each other whenever Khan visited Tanweer during this period." He said his nephew travelled away from his home village of Samoodran in Faislabad, with Khan. "Both times Tanweer went out with Khan, he told us that he was going to Rawalpindi to meet Khan's relatives," he said.

In the weeks since the bombings, Hasib Hussain has been cast as a social misfit and drop-out whose overt and sudden radicalisation may have provided an early warning sign. Yet family sources reveal that he was a promising academic about to head for university and an arranged marriage. Their testimony also suggests it was highly improbable that he was exposed to radical madrassas - Islamic schools - in Pakistan, as his fellow bombers were.

He had won a place on a business studies degree course at Leeds University, starting in September. An arranged marriage to a college student in Pakistan was also in the pipeline. The boy's only visit to Pakistan since he was eight months old was a trip to the outskirts of Islamabad for his brother Imran's wedding three years ago.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-their-gentle-boy-became-a-bomber-303130.html

 

[SpiritOf1903]

The worst thing is, regardless of where they cone from, a large amount of the demographic probably don't see wting in it.

Britani youths 'share' women when they're younger and it isn't even a secret. Its despicable. And, mirpuris generally aren't very popular with native women if they wanted to be Western ( ie Liberal, uninhibited by ethnic culture ...). Probably cos many dump them when they're forced to marry because someone is owed credit in Pakistan.

And the British Mirpuri women dress very poorly, like they're in Pakistan. The Indian/mainland Pakistano Diaspora either dress in Western clothing or if they are dressed traditionally, there's an element of class about it.

Generally speaking, Mirpiris are a retrograde people and there's no getting away from it.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Terrorism is a problems amongst Muslims universally; that's another topic.

Most groomers come from a rural background; that's the crux. You won't get many urban Pakistani diaspora involved.

 

[mani1]

The worst thing is, regardless of where they cone from, a large amount of the demographic probably don't see wting in it.

Britani youths 'share' women when they're younger and it isn't even a secret. Its despicable. And, mirpuris generally aren't very popular with native women if they wanted to be Western ( ie Liberal, uninhibited by ethnic culture ...). Probably cos many dump them when they're forced to marry because someone is owed credit in Pakistan.

And the British Mirpuri women dress very poorly, like they're in Pakistan. The Indian/mainland Pakistano Diaspora either dress in Western clothing or if they are dressed traditionally, there's an element of class about it.

Generally speaking, Mirpiris are a retrograde people and there's no getting away from it.

Huddersfield is full of Punjabi's its street grooming central

Oxford most of them had the same family names as Sikh's Dogar

Rochdale they are getting deported to Gujrat

You sound like "Imam" Kirmani non Mirpuris Women and there oral skills since this is a family site I will leave it there i'm sure if you know many Black guys you will know what I mean.

 

[mani1]

Terrorism is a problems amongst Muslims universally; that's another topic.

Most groomers come from a rural background; that's the crux. You won't get many urban Pakistani diaspora involved.

Amongst Pakistan's its a Punjabi thing.

 

[mani1]

The Ahmed family originate from the village of Uttam, in the Gujrat region of Pakistan. They are Sunni Muslims and their first language is Punjabi.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/aug/03/shafilea-ahmed-life-death-timeline

Samia Shahid, from Bradford, died when visiting relatives in Punjab

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ic-married-reveals-family-threatened-him.html

Samaira Nazir knew well that her parents would disapprove. She wanted to marry her Afghan boyfriend, rather than someone from the family circle, and she was prepared to fight for him too.
So were they. Yesterday, Ms Nazir's brother was jailed for at least 20 years for her murder and her cousin, who is 17, will serve 10 years for his role in her death last April.

The "honour killing", which took place at home in front of her parents, was carried out with four knives, as she was pinned down, and left her with 18 stab wounds and three separate cuts to her throat. The Old Bailey heard the method was "barbaric".

Her brother Azhar Nazir, a 30-year-old greengrocer, threatened to "get" the couple if they married, even if they were abroad. He was, the court heard, so incensed that his sister had turned down the suitors waiting for her in Pakistan in favour of the Afghan that he ordered the 25-year-old to come to the family home in Southall, Middlesex.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/jul/15/ukcrime.mainsection

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Amongst Pakistan's its a Punjabi thing.

Grooming is another mental disorder incomparable with terrorism.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

A groomer is a risk to society on another scale. Furthermore, they're paedophiles!. Even their reality has been sanitised.

 

[mani1]

A groomer is a risk to society on another scale. Furthermore, they're paedophiles!. Even their reality has been sanitised.

Huddersfield most claim the City formerly known as Lyalls.

Oxford same family names as Sikh

Rochdale getting deported to Gujrat etc etc

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Intriguing. I've found little difference between rural punjabis and mirpuris tbh, in fact, they're even more perverse.

That said, a guy from Lahore at work is married and can't stop eye groping women. But most loser paedophiles are from rural areas.

 

[mani1]

Intriguing. I've found little difference between rural punjabis and mirpuris tbh, in fact, they're even more perverse.

That said, a guy from Lahore at work is married and can't stop eye groping women. But most loser paedophiles are from rural areas.

Most Punjabis in the UK are from Rural areas living 50 miles away from Lahore or Faisalabad etc doesnt make you Urban.

Is some one from Bewal from Islamabad?

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Most Punjabis in the UK are from Rural areas living 50 miles away from Lahore or Faisalabad etc doesnt make you Urban.

Is some one from Bewal from Islamabad?

Which was my point. Those from rural are very conversative.