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According to a very highly respected journalist in Pakistan, CA is saying that they most likely would not be touring Pakistan because of the US troops being withdrawn from Afghanistan in September and it might increase the terror threat in Pakistan.

Even NZ won’t be touring Pakistan in Nov and that series will be played in UAE.
 
If this does infact end up being true than it would probably be the worst and most preposterous excuse to not tour a country.
 
If CA cannot commit to tours with Pakistan, then Pakistan should also stop touring CA and ask to play on a neutral ground.

There is no logical reason for CA to avoid the tour. Even New Zealand need to relax.
 
Told you. The PCB shifting the PSL to the UAE was going to set a disastrous precedent which the likes of NZ, Australia were going to exploit badly
 
SangasCoverDrive said:
According to a very highly respected journalist in Pakistan, CA is saying that they most likely would not be touring Pakistan because of the US troops being withdrawn from Afghanistan in September and it might increase the terror threat in Pakistan.

Even NZ won’t be touring Pakistan in Nov and that series will be played in UAE.
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Lol so all these years what was their excuse to not tour Pakistan when US Troops were in Afghanistan?

Imran Khan should personally reach out to the Australian Prime Minister and his friends in Australia to ensure that this tour happens
 
Savak said:
Told you. The PCB shifting the PSL to the UAE was going to set a disastrous precedent which the likes of NZ, Australia were going to exploit badly
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Ipl last season was held in uae and remaining of this season will also be played in uae..hosting of psl in uae has nothing to do with countries refusing to come to Pakistan
 
Savak said:
Lol so all these years what was their excuse to not tour Pakistan when US Troops were in Afghanistan?

Imran Khan should personally reach out to the Australian Prime Minister and his friends in Australia to ensure that this tour happens
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Imran Khan is a PM. If he has to reach out to get a cricket tour done, its humiliation. Its way below his pay grade.
 
And another in the news is that the NZ tour would be played in UAE as well as they have straight up refused to travel to Pakistan during COVID.
 
Australians look for any lame excuse not to tour Pak.

Perhaps they should ask their 80 odd occupying troops to leave in a peaceful manner. Aussies are worried , as recently their abuse/torture & murder in Afghanistan was exposed.

Pakistan should delay their tour until their boys are back home, where they belong, the threat level will then decrease.
 
Unless Aus security personnel can back the CA stance after they make a visit Aus should share the costs of the neutral venue as their excuse of not touring wont be solid enough for Pak to carry the burden of that extra costs in UAE.

Not wanting to tour without any facts, basis or stats is unacceptable and is nothing more than usual politics in cricket which has made it a sport of a handful of countries. Not to forget Pak has successfully hosted WI, Srl, SA, BD and Zim in Pak along with PSL every year. Eng is likely to tour this year for T20s and full tour next year, so if 75-80% of the cricket world can tour without any excuse surely they need to bring in a better reasoning to back the stance which they have had for almost two decades now.

Though nothing concrete as of now, lets see how it develops.
 
SangasCoverDrive said:
According to a very highly respected journalist in Pakistan, CA is saying that they most likely would not be touring Pakistan because of the US troops being withdrawn from Afghanistan in September and it might increase the terror threat in Pakistan.

Even NZ won’t be touring Pakistan in Nov and that series will be played in UAE.
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Both of these countries are part of the Five Eyes intelligence network which were comprised of Anglo Saxon nations linked to the old country which is of course Great Britain. We were all of us involved in the war on Afghanistan which we lost, and I suppose now it means we will try to win the war via sanctions and other means. As they say, all is fair in love and war.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Both of these countries are part of the Five Eyes intelligence network which were comprised of Anglo Saxon nations linked to the old country which is of course Great Britain. We were all of us involved in the war on Afghanistan which we lost, and I suppose now it means we will try to win the war via sanctions and other means. As they say, all is fair in love and war.
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CA is no joke when it comes to cancelling tours. They pulled out from U19 WC in Bangladesh because of a terror attack like 6 months before the tournament.
 
PCB should just refuse to play Australia unless they play in Pakistan.
 
Would be a hilarious excuse, even by Cricket Australia's standards:misbah

It's crazy to believe that an Australian side has never set foot in Pakistan in this century.
 
street cricketer said:
Would be a hilarious excuse, even by Cricket Australia's standards:misbah

It's crazy to believe that an Australian side has never set foot in Pakistan in this century.
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You have to remember that Pakistani people don't like Australians, there is a lot of distrust also between the governments. With the bad blood between the two countries it is probably best for both to cool their heels instead of getting into a situation where another controversy will put yet another scar on cricket. Cricket will always survive and thrive so just let both teams go about their business without getting into a culture war.
 
😂😂 Maybe the PCB should request Joe Biden to have US troops in Afghanistan for the Australian series to call Cricket Australia's bluff
 
PCB should just postpone these series until these two countries are ready to tour Pakistan. The security excuse makes zero sense now, given Pakistan has had very few major attacks in the last 3-4 years. No need to let them dictate every time.
 
Savak said:
Told you. The PCB shifting the PSL to the UAE was going to set a disastrous precedent which the likes of NZ, Australia were going to exploit badly
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These two countries, Australia in particular, are huge drama queens. CA has cancelled so many tours on questionable grounds before. I think ICC should be fine them for this charade.
 
Pakistan should stop touring Australia, they should play in Malaysia
 
Giannis said:
Pakistan should stop touring Australia, they should play in Malaysia
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Dont play anywhere, PCB should just say when you are ready to tour Pakistan give us a call and we will see if we can schedule it in.
 
Savak said:
Told you. The PCB shifting the PSL to the UAE was going to set a disastrous precedent which the likes of NZ, Australia were going to exploit badly
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That excuse is not valid since PSL is a multi-team tournament during which chance of transmission is much higher. SA toured Pakistan in January and February without incident. And that's for the covid excuse anyway. CA seems to be using a ridiculous excuse.
 
Gilly said:
You have to remember that Pakistani people don't like Australians, there is a lot of distrust also between the governments. With the bad blood between the two countries it is probably best for both to cool their heels instead of getting into a situation where another controversy will put yet another scar on cricket. Cricket will always survive and thrive so just let both teams go about their business without getting into a culture war.
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Not sure I've heard about the Pakistani dislike for Australians. Americans yes. Not sure about Australians.
 
mastimasti said:
hahahaha yes, because Afghanistan are going to draw test crowds :smith
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I think the Afghan cricket team is as captivating to the Australian public as the current Pakistan side.

We really have no leverage on this front I’m afraid. You can happily boycott Australia, they will more than happily boycott Pakistan. We bring nothing to the table, nothing. If you don’t want to stand up and fight when you are down under, you have no business being there at all!
 
I think the Pakistani cricketers will be really hurt on potentially missing out on the opportunity to have a paid holiday in Australia for a couple of months.

These guys are more interested in the social aspect of the tour than the actual professional aspect
 
Team last played in Pakistan
[table=class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Team [/td][td]Date [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]South Africa [/td][td]11-Feb-21 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Zimbabwe [/td][td]7-Nov-20 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Bangladesh [/td][td]7-Feb-20 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Sri Lanka [/td][td]11-Dec-19 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]West Indies [/td][td]1-Apr-18 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]World-XI [/td][td]12-Sep-17 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]India [/td][td]26-Jun-08 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]England [/td][td]10-Dec-05 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]New Zealand [/td][td]29-Nov-03 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Australia [/td][td]6-Nov-98 [/td][/tr]
[/table]
Australia hasn't played in Pakistan in over 2 decades.
 
Gilly said:
You have to remember that Pakistani people don't like Australians, there is a lot of distrust also between the governments. With the bad blood between the two countries it is probably best for both to cool their heels instead of getting into a situation where another controversy will put yet another scar on cricket. Cricket will always survive and thrive so just let both teams go about their business without getting into a culture war.
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I don't think that's true, it's Australians who are refusing to tour Pakistan, not the other way round.
 
Gilly said:
You have to remember that Pakistani people don't like Australians, there is a lot of distrust also between the governments. With the bad blood between the two countries it is probably best for both to cool their heels instead of getting into a situation where another controversy will put yet another scar on cricket. Cricket will always survive and thrive so just let both teams go about their business without getting into a culture war.
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Lol what propaganda site did you get that from? Your entire post seems made up.
 
In 2001: CA doesn't tour Pakistan because US troops are entering Afghanistan

In 2021: CA doesn't tour Pakistan because US troops are leaving Afghanistan.

Anyone sees an issue with this?

Maybe in 2031: CA doesn't tour Pakistan because US troops are entering North Korea
 
Cricket Australia are an embarrassment to the sport, been run by absolute lunatics for quite some time.
 
jeetu said:
Team last played in Pakistan
[table=class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Team [/td][td]Date [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]South Africa [/td][td]11-Feb-21 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Zimbabwe [/td][td]7-Nov-20 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Bangladesh [/td][td]7-Feb-20 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Sri Lanka [/td][td]11-Dec-19 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]West Indies [/td][td]1-Apr-18 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]World-XI [/td][td]12-Sep-17 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]India [/td][td]26-Jun-08 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]England [/td][td]10-Dec-05 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]New Zealand [/td][td]29-Nov-03 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Australia [/td][td]6-Nov-98 [/td][/tr]
[/table]
Australia hasn't played in Pakistan in over 2 decades.
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India toured Pakistan in 2004 and 2006 as well.

Also SA in 2007 perhaps.
 
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Last Monetarist said:
Cricket Australia are an embarrassment to the sport, been run by absolute lunatics for quite some time.
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The current and past lunatics will be replaced by future lunatics. They won’t change their attitude towards outsiders so easily I’m afraid
 
PCB should refuse future tours to Australia and NZ, and refuse to play outside Pakistan, until these boards tour Pakistan. Their excuse have gone from bad to ridiculous.
 
The fact is that some of these Boards will look for any and every excuse not to tour Pakistan.

I will only believe that they will play in Pakistan once they are on the plane to Lahore or Karachi.
 
ahsan17 said:
PCB should refuse future tours to Australia and NZ, and refuse to play outside Pakistan, until these boards tour Pakistan. Their excuse have gone from bad to ridiculous.
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Tbh pakistan isnt in a position to dictate terms. this is not the 90s.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Tbh pakistan isnt in a position to dictate terms. this is not the 90s.
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Pakistan doesn't need to be in such a position. It's primarily about the principal. I am not sure how much loss it will be for PCB in monetary terms but it will be a loss for CA and NZC as well. As far as I remember (don't quote me on this) after big 3, Pakistan tours have brought in the most revenue for CA. At some point PCB will have to draw a line, otherwise this will likely continue indefinitely.
 
I think we can forget the big 3 ever touring pakistan , add new Zealand to the list as well.
 
I am trying hard to find the connection that CA made.
US troops leaving Afghanistan will give rise to terror situation (in pakistan?)
 
SangasCoverDrive said:
According to a very highly respected journalist in Pakistan, CA is saying that they most likely would not be touring Pakistan because of the US troops being withdrawn from Afghanistan in September and it might increase the terror threat in Pakistan.

Even NZ won’t be touring Pakistan in Nov and that series will be played in UAE.
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this
 
OMB said:
this
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I know what the journalist said, but who is this journalist, who was the journalist talking too, in what context was this said, so far its just a unknown person talking to an unknown person. I cant find anything on cricinfo or the web. I would like a link to see who said what.
 
Gilly said:
I know what the journalist said, but who is this journalist, who was the journalist talking too, in what context was this said, so far its just a unknown person talking to an unknown person. I cant find anything on cricinfo or the web. I would like a link to see who said what.
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Oh yes I am afraid no news published. But you know that risk is always there and playing in the minds of many.
I was more intrigued about this news because why would anybody from CA quote this as a reason, perhaps covid-19 but not probably US troops exit
 
I mean I wouldn’t be surprised. What’s the excuse now ?

Pakistan is as safe as it can be now. So many foreign YouTube tourists go there now and they themselves say the pre conceived perceptions disappear as soon as they travel in the country.

It’s their choice, hopefully they will reconsider but we can’t force them.
 
OMB said:
Oh yes I am afraid no news published. But you know that risk is always there and playing in the minds of many.
I was more intrigued about this news because why would anybody from CA quote this as a reason, perhaps covid-19 but not probably US troops exit
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I think there is a big difference in tours and major events like PSL, the risk factor for covid will always exist. You can't run away from it, it's just a matter of bad luck as well even if you follow protocol to a tee. It will be frankly offensive if NZ and CA choose not to come. Pakistan have had a very good few tours with no hiccups and people have been more than pleased with security, so why make this an issue when it's not???
 
90MPH said:
I mean I wouldn’t be surprised. What’s the excuse now ?

Pakistan is as safe as it can be now. So many foreign YouTube tourists go there now and they themselves say the pre conceived perceptions disappear as soon as they travel in the country.

It’s their choice, hopefully they will reconsider but we can’t force them.
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or send a weak team and we'll whoop them and your rankings lol.
 
Why is this "highly respected journalist" anonymous in providing this statement? Has CA ratified this statement?
 
ahsan17 said:
Pakistan doesn't need to be in such a position. It's primarily about the principal. I am not sure how much loss it will be for PCB in monetary terms but it will be a loss for CA and NZC as well. As far as I remember (don't quote me on this) after big 3, Pakistan tours have brought in the most revenue for CA. At some point PCB will have to draw a line, otherwise this will likely continue indefinitely.
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There are only 2 tours that are profitable for the CA, Ashes and India tour. This was said by the CA last year when India tour was in doubt.

Same is the case with ECB.
 
cricketjoshila said:
There are only 2 tours that are profitable for the CA, Ashes and India tour. This was said by the CA last year when India tour was in doubt

Same is the case with ECB.
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This is nonsense, pretty much every tour is profitable for the ECB and I'd expect the same is true or very close to it for CA.
 
HitWicket said:
This is nonsense, pretty much every tour is profitable for the ECB and I'd expect the same is true or very close to it for CA.
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I concur. There are more Pakistanis than Indians in UK as of now and Pakistan been touring England every year since 2016 so I don’t know from where he’s getting on about ECB.
 
No match played in Pakistan in over 2 decades is really bad form on the part of the Aussies. For a global leader in the sport, that is extremely poor.
 
SangasCoverDrive said:
I concur. There are more Pakistanis than Indians in UK as of now and Pakistan been touring England every year since 2016 so I don’t know from where he’s getting on about ECB.
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The Indian tour will generate more because of the value of the overseas broadcast deal, his original claim is still nonsense though.
 
James said:
No match played in Pakistan in over 2 decades is really bad form on the part of the Aussies. For a global leader in the sport, that is extremely poor.
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At first they had genuine reasons, but now it's just getting pathetic.
 
SangasCoverDrive said:
Even if they are, still your claim is nonsense bc no team would want a team to tour them which is loss inflicting.
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They cant have a Ashes or India tour every year. In a 4 year cycle they have two huge revenue tours, Ashes and India. They have to play cricket in the other two years too.

Basically India and Ashes tour provides them the revenue to absorb and offset the losses made in other years.

Read the two articles i posted.
 
ahsan17 said:
The article doesn't link the losses to not playing against Australia or India. And even then, it's only for 2 years.
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They say its a 4 year cycle with losses in 2016 and 2017. And more lucrative tours in 2018 and 2019 when India and Australia will tourm
 
HitWicket said:
Nothing in this article proves your claim that the ECB make losses from every series except those against India or Australia, could you provide proof of that please?
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Its in the article itself. Why did ECB make losses in 2016 and 2017? Why are they waiting for 2018 and 2019 to make good on their reserves, when India and Australia tour?

You claimed that ECB makes profit on pretty much every tour, then why did they lose money in 2016 and 2017?
 
cricketjoshila said:
Its in the article itself. Why did ECB make losses in 2016 and 2017? Why are they waiting for 2018 and 2019 to make good on their reserves, when India and Australia tour?
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It's not in the article at all. Like you've said, the article says the ECB as a whole made losses in those years. It makes no reference to the specific tours you're referring to being loss making. They were waiting for those tours because they're the biggest profit makers. Still waiting on a source for every other tour being loss making.
 
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HitWicket said:
It's not in the article at all. Like you've said, the article says the ECB as a whole made losses in those years. It makes no reference to the specific tours you're referring to being loss making. They were waiting for those tours because they're the biggest profit makers. Still waiting on a source for every other tour being loss making.
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So why did they make losses if the tours were profitable in 2016 and 2017. Why are they going to make profits in 2018 and 2019?

You can keep your eyes shut but its evident that the tours in 2016 and 2017 were not profitable for ECB.
 
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