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Can Asif Ali be a better Pakistan's T20I captain than Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan?

Kianig89 said:
Babar Azam is not Pakistan best batsman as per some posters, but some ex cricketing greats believe Babar Azam is the best batsman produced by Pakistan
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You're being a bit naive. When it comes to discussions about Babar or any top player on TV, people rarely criticize them openly. The media and pundits often focus on their strengths, and any weaknesses or underperformances are either downplayed or ignored. It's common for the narrative to revolve around their achievements and potential, rather than addressing any flaws.
 
emranabbas said:
Everyone knows that the pitch in New York gets slower and slower , but some people prefer to shift all the blame onto Imad as if he was playing on a flat track while Babar and Rizwan were dealing with the tough conditions in New York.

If players like Fakhar and Usman couldn’t score on that pitch, how can you expect a lower-order batsman like Imad to put runs on the board?

The fact is, Babar and Rizwan left too much for the lower-order batsmen to make up. The runs should have been scored during the first powerplay, which the top order failed to capitalize on.
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I agree that if the top order fails due to the conditions then it is ridiculous to blame the lower order for not getting the job done. With respect to Imad, I was never against his inclusion although I think he is a far better in ODI player than a T20 player but his performances in the recent PSL justified his inclusion in the T20 World Cup squad. The only thing that let him down was his performance with the bat against India as we were almost over the line but he just couldn't rotate the strike and got bogged down.. But these things can happen.

In my opinion Imad should have been picked for the 2023 World Cup in India. It was disappointing that he wasn't.
 
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IMMY69 said:
I no longer engage with that particular poster so he can say what he wants, whether it aligns with my views or not.

The problem here is that PP seems to be reflecting the Pakistan Cricket Team, there is (or there appears to be)
groupings on PP :) It makes discussing cricket and players extremely difficult without getting ridiculed..

I agree that if the top order fails due to the conditions then it is ridiculous to blame the lower order for not getting the job done. With respect to Imad, I was never against his inclusion although I think he is a far better in ODI player than a T20 player but his performances in the recent PSL justified his inclusion in the T20 World Cup squad. The only thing that let him down was his performance with the bat against India as we were almost over the line but he just couldn't rotate the strike and got bogged down.. But these things can happen.

In my opinion Imad should have been picked for the 2023 World Cup in India. It was disappointing that he wasn't.
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I see what you mean. The groupings on PP, along with the politics involved in cricket, are definitely making it harder to have meaningful discussions. It’s become less about the game and more about defending personal views or factions. Instead of focusing on the performance of players, it’s often about aligning with certain groups or players, which turns debates into personal attacks rather than constructive criticism.

The political aspect of cricket, whether in the media or fan circles, only complicates things further. This environment discourages honest, open discussions about the team’s strengths and weaknesses, as people are more focused on supporting their side or pushing an agenda. It’s frustrating because the real purpose should be to evaluate performances objectively and discuss the game in a balanced way, but that gets lost in the noise of group dynamics and personal biases.

As for supporting individuals, I believe in giving every player with potential a chance to prove themselves. By doing so, we can discover new talent that could help us build a strong, competitive team. It’s important to invest in the future and give players the opportunity to develop, even if it means taking some risks along the way.

We’ve tried players like Azim Khan, Saim, and Abdullah, but it hasn’t worked out for us so far. It’s about time we give other players a few series to see what they can offer, and we might find someone who can make a difference. However, some people are so fixated on sticking only with Rizwan and Babar, which limits our options and exploration of new talent.

and then they try to push the narrative that there's no talent left in Pakistan. The truth is, we won’t know until we give deserving players a chance and a proper run in a few series. Talent isn’t always obvious from just one or two performances, and the only way to truly uncover new potential is by giving players the opportunity to play consistently. We’ve been stuck in this loop of sticking to the same few players, but unless we take risks and invest in fresh talent, we’ll never know what we’re missing.
 
IMMY69 said:
I think when arguing about the 2024 world cup and strikes rates it should be highlighted that the NY ground was an awful track for T20's. The fact that Pakistan played a few of its games on that ground definitely helped reduce the strike rates, especially for sides batting second.

Usman, Fakhar, Saim & Azam were also downright awful on that track and didn't even offer much on the other ground we
played on. What did Usman, Fakhar and Azam do against the US?

Besides, Babar wasn't a great captain and Rizwan shouldn't be the T20 captain now but that doesn't mean Asif should be captain... Its like adding 1 plus 1 and coming out with 50, that's how illogical it is to even mention Asif as a potential captain of the T20 team.
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We were sold a theory that Babar & Rizwan were perfectly positioned to chase such low totals and necessary especially on such wickets, I don’t agree with that, but it was a relatively straight forward chase for them. Had they achieved it, I still don’t think it would have masked the core problem, but by the standards they like to propagate, they should have got Pakistan over the line. However, they crumbled under the pressure and paid the price for their negativity & selfish batting. The entire batting line up was disturbed when you need to accommodate two accumulators in the two most crucial positions in a T20 match and therefore you can’t really criticise the rest overly, we talk so much about Riz/Babar’s averages yet Pakistan are the worst team for batting during the PP overs statistically and the games are literally won & lost during this phase. I’d have thought Pakistan fans would have been more on board with seeing the root issue in their approach to LOI cricket after some of the most humiliating defeats in their history but these lads always get the red carpet rolled out for them no matter what they do on the pitch.

The ship has long sailed now with Asif Ali and I don’t feel anybody would fiercely advocate it now because Babar & co failed him in the past, it seems posters just come in this thread to appear a bit clever and poke fun, but the jokes on them when Pakistan’s T20 team has never stooped so low. But with this Asif Ali suggestion, I think we need to look at it a bit deeper, and not take it literally, why was this proposed so many years ago? I would like to think the reason was that we wanted an aggressive batter to lead from the front and sell a modern brand of how T20 cricket should be played, I think he’d have been more equipped to exploit the PP overs to but certain players who are selfish wouldn’t want their numbers to be disturbed. Think of Phil Salt for example, <30, strikes at 165+ at the top order and was given the opportunity to lead because the brand England want their team to play is very clear, in-fact due to this they forced the retirement of Dawid Malan who was ranked pretty highly by the ICC and had great stats.

The ODI cricket is stuck in the 90’s, and the current Pakistan hierarchy simply don’t understand the T20 format, I would say they are stuck in the late 2000’s but those teams were far superior and were widely regarded as the best T20 team in the world consistently; to go from such a high level, from setting the bar to completely neutralising Pakistan’s flamboyance, is just very upsetting to witness, it’s like that past era never happened and fans don’t recall it or have just started watching and eat up the rhetoric from the Misbah school of thought and overly worship serial non-performers who literally hold the team hostage.
 
emranabbas said:
Given how long this thread has dragged on, it’s about time we give Asif Ali a chance to open and captain the Pakistan side and finally close this thread for good!
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I'm replying here to your second post as its a continuation to your post number 809.
I disagree wholeheartedly with the suggestion that Asif should be made captain of the T20 team.
I'm not basing this just on ability, captaincy experience etc etc..

Yes we do need to test the youngsters and yes we do need to start moving away from Babar and Rizwan in the T20 format.
The T20 format should have a bunch of youngsters in it. I see absolutely no point in having any players that are above the age of 30 playing T20 internationals. Appoint a young captain and select a young team and let them get on with it.

Alas this is unlikely to happen as we don't play enough Odis and test matches and our insecure players feel the need to play as many T20 internationals as possible to 1. Stay relevant and 2. for financial reasons (both are connected).
 
shaz619 said:
We were sold a theory that Babar & Rizwan were perfectly positioned to chase such low totals and necessary especially on such wickets, I don’t agree with that, but it was a relatively straight forward chase for them. Had they achieved it, I still don’t think it would have masked the core problem, but by the standards they like to propagate, they should have got Pakistan over the line. However, they crumbled under the pressure and paid the price for their negativity & selfish batting. The entire batting line up was disturbed when you need to accommodate two accumulators in the two most crucial positions in a T20 match and therefore you can’t really criticise the rest overly, we talk so much about Riz/Babar’s averages yet Pakistan are the worst team for batting during the PP overs statistically and the games are literally won & lost during this phase. I’d have thought Pakistan fans would have been more on board with seeing the root issue in their approach to LOI cricket after some of the most humiliating defeats in their history but these lads always get the red carpet rolled out for them no matter what they do on the pitch.

The ship has long sailed now with Asif Ali and I don’t feel anybody would fiercely advocate it now because Babar & co failed him in the past, it seems posters just come in this thread to appear a bit clever and poke fun, but the jokes on them when Pakistan’s T20 team has never stooped so low. But with this Asif Ali suggestion, I think we need to look at it a bit deeper, and not take it literally, why was this proposed so many years ago? I would like to think the reason was that we wanted an aggressive batter to lead from the front and sell a modern brand of how T20 cricket should be played, I think he’d have been more equipped to exploit the PP overs to but certain players who are selfish wouldn’t want their numbers to be disturbed. Think of Phil Salt for example, <30, strikes at 165+ at the top order and was given the opportunity to lead because the brand England want their team to play is very clear, in-fact due to this they forced the retirement of Dawid Malan who was ranked pretty highly by the ICC and had great stats.

The ODI cricket is stuck in the 90’s, and the current Pakistan hierarchy simply don’t understand the T20 format, I would say they are stuck in the late 2000’s but those teams were far superior and were widely regarded as the best T20 team in the world consistently; to go from such a high level, from setting the bar to completely neutralising Pakistan’s flamboyance, is just very upsetting to witness, it’s like that past era never happened and fans don’t recall it or have just started watching and eat up the rhetoric from the Misbah school of thought and overly worship serial non-performers who literally hold the team hostage.
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Babar is an eye catching batsman, extremely elegant and I would pay money to watch him score runs.
But that doesn't mean that I agree with his selection in the T20 side. There was a time when I would argue for his inclusion (not as captain mind you). He brought solidity to our line-up and this was especially so when we had a middle order of Hafeez and Malik (in the subcontinent).

Pick a young t20' team and those that show promise, the ability to play modern day cricket can be promoted to the ODI/Test teams. Currently, we're going no where with this especially picking youngsters from domestic and then expecting them to hit the road running in international cricket. The gap between our domestic game and international cricket is, in my opinion, vast. This doesn't mean that players can't learn and succeed in international cricket... But the only chance they have is to be given a run in the side and T20's is as good place to start as any.
 
IMMY69 said:
Babar is an eye catching batsman, extremely elegant and I would pay money to watch him score runs.
But that doesn't mean that I agree with his selection in the T20 side. There was a time when I would argue for his inclusion (not as captain mind you). He brought solidity to our line-up and this was especially so when we had a middle order of Hafeez and Malik (in the subcontinent).

Pick a young t20' team and those that show promise, the ability to play modern day cricket can be promoted to the ODI/Test teams. Currently, we're going no where with this especially picking youngsters from domestic and then expecting them to hit the road running in international cricket. The gap between our domestic game and international cricket is, in my opinion, vast. This doesn't mean that players can't learn and succeed in international cricket... But the only chance they have is to be given a run in the side and T20's is as good place to start as any.
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I agree with everything you've said, especially the part about giving young players the opportunity to prove themselves in T20s before moving on to ODIs or Tests.


In ODIs, Babar and Rizwan should open and focus on playing the first 20-30 overs tuk tuking to build a solid foundation. This would allow the rest of the team to capitalize on the base they’ve set in the later overs.


While Babar and Rizwan are happy to open in T20s, they have no guts to do the same in ODIs and prefer hiding in the middle order instead.
 
Ahmed216 said:
Yes, hopefully the PCB is closely following this thread
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Tbh bro, PCB probably isn't even aware of their own policies.

Theirs a new board governed by new people every single week. No stability or structure.

It's a very poor board and it's shocking considering its the 4th richest board after the top 3.
 
mominsaigol said:
Tbh bro, PCB probably isn't even aware of their own policies.

Theirs a new board governed by new people every single week. No stability or structure.

It's a very poor board and it's shocking considering its the 4th richest board after the top 3.
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It’s funny how they came to the conclusion to award T20 captaincy to a guy who struck at 90 in the recently concluded T20 World Cup.

Clearly shows that they are an absolute shambles. The day Pakistan lost to India, there was a strong feeling of sacking every player in this side….a few months later, they appoint one of the biggest criminals of that humiliation as the captain. They are a total shitshow.
 
Rana said:
It’s funny how they came to the conclusion to award T20 captaincy to a guy who struck at 90 in the recently concluded T20 World Cup.

Clearly shows that they are an absolute shambles. The day Pakistan lost to India, there was a strong feeling of sacking every player in this side….a few months later, they appoint one of the biggest criminals of that humiliation as the captain. They are a total shitshow.
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This is the same board that decided to hos t a one day tournament to find talent for Gary Kristen to scout and to prepare for aussie, Zimbabwe, sa and ct 2025.

However once the tournament and England test series concludes, Kristen is sacked. The top performers like usman Khan are either missing or in the t20 format for some reason, and the weakest performers like Abdullah, Hasebullah, Rizwan are either captain or priemere openers?

So what was even the point of hosting champions cup if you're just gonna sack the guy who was scouting for you 🤣🤣
 
Ahmed216 said:
Yes, hopefully the PCB is closely following this thread
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The irony here is, Gary Kirsten may well have tried to drive some sense into the PCB by wanting to appoint a young and fearless captain in Muhammad Harris as the leader, but it’s the people of Pakistan who’s intentions are not for improvement as a nation, but to worship a couple of players that applied pressure to not allow Gary to have his way.
 
My best wishes to the real intelligent fans of Pak cricket.

Hopefully your activism will pay off and Pakistan cricket will emerge as a force.
 
Rana said:
But @Ahmed216 wants to act smart by sarcastically saying PCB should follow this thread, as if the PCB’s think tank is on par with Australia right now.
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Aussie cricket is a brand. Pak cricket is in shambles. Genuinely pcb has never been a bigger mess then it is now.

Only aqib javed has recently fixed the test circuit but going back to the UAE mantra.
 
mominsaigol said:
Aussie cricket is a brand. Pak cricket is in shambles. Genuinely pcb has never been a bigger mess then it is now.

Only aqib javed has recently fixed the test circuit but going back to the UAE mantra.
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There seems to be severe complications in properly fixing the white ball issues.

It’s like the PCB don’t really care about Tests and therefore giving people a free hand in doing whatever’s necessary, whereas they are far more concerned about protecting hierarchal structures in the white ball set up. There is definitely more to what meets the eye. How can any sane board want to continue with the same rubbish template that is severely hampering the growth of a cricket nation?
 
IMMY69 said:
The only thing that let him down was his performance with the bat against India as we were almost over the line but he just couldn't rotate the strike and got bogged down.. But these things can happen.
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Yep. His selection in the T20 WC Squad was justified. Particularly after the horrors of Shadab and Nawaz with the ball. And Imad bowled superbly as a spinner in the whole campaign (even against India).

But that batting show against India was pure shock. Nobody had really expected Imad to struggle this much with the bat that he'd be unable to put bat on ball against a spinner for so many deliveries. That was uncalled and unexpected.
 
Imad Wasim was barely jogging when running singles during the India game. It was a half hearted attempt, devoid of any energy or urgency and he should not be absolved from blame for his awful cricket.
 
Mamoon said:
Imad Wasim saw that Indian batsmen struggled to hit boundaries once the ball got 14-15 overs old.

Imad Wasim saw that Rizwan and Fakhar perished trying to go for boundaries.

Imad Wasim saw that he also failed trying to do the same thing and yet, Imad Wasim kept trying to do the same thing that others before him tried and failed and even Imad himself tried and failed.

What happened to his intelligence, game awareness and temperament that his deluded fans kept harping about?
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If Babar Azam, after playing over 100 T20s, and Rizwan, with a similar experience, both struggled and failed to adapt, why would we expect it from part timer Imad to suddenly be the one to turn it around?

What happened to babar and rizwans intelligence, game awareness and temperament after playing 100+ t20's
 
Mamoon said:
Imad is not worth the iota compared to Nabar’s shoes. 50 years from today, young Pakistani fans would know Babar as one of the great batsmen from Pakistan. They won’t have a clue who Imad is. He will just be another name on a scorecard.

Imad is a nobody who has not achieved 20% the fame, recognition and respect in cricket that Babar has. He is a complete failure of a cricketer.
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Fifty years from now, people will remember Babar Azam for playing in

two 50-over World Cups,
four T20 World Cups,
four Asia Cups,

with most of those tournaments as captain, but unfortunately never winning a single tournament.
 
emranabbas said:
Fifty years from now, people will remember Babar Azam for playing in

two 50-over World Cups,
four T20 World Cups,
four Asia Cups,

with most of those tournaments as captain, but unfortunately never winning a single tournament.
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50 years from now, no one will remember anything.

How many top players do you feasibly remember from the 60's and 70's? Viv Richards, Sobers, Sunny and a few others.

It's the same case for everything. How many pop stars from the 70's you remember? You'll only be able to name a few.

Even in football, Besides Messi and ronaldo, I don't think anyone has that staying power be it mbappe, neymar etc etc. Do you even know of any football star from the 70's?

50 years is a very long time. Babar does not have that staying power.

Very few people do.
 
In 50 years I can only see some Indian players being remembered Due to population power.

Steve smith will probs be remembered as a test legend and root will probs be remembered if he manages to break the runs record and a few others.

Guys like bumrah, SKY, Travis head, Babar azam, they'll all be forgotten I guarantee that.

Only the absolute cream of the crop will be remembered.

Future generations won't give a damn. It'll be nothing more then all of us as 70 to 80 year olds reminiscing about said times.
 
Kianig89 said:
All your Lallu panjus were part of that loss, UsmanKhan AzamKhan Imad Wasim Amir
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But Babar Azam was the captain. He will be remembered. And also the Warrior Mohammad Rizwan will also be remembered.

They will also be remembered for cowering away from the powerplay.
 
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Rana said:
50 years from now, Pakistan’s loss to USA will not be forgotten.
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Will they. We lost to BD in 99, and within a year it was forgotten by most people and that was with probably our most talented team-Ever. Netherlands beat England in 2009.

Once people like a player there is nothing you can do. Look at you and that WK that once scored 42. Did we change your mind. You doubled down said you were right.
 
Kianig89 said:
All your Lallu panjus were part of that loss, UsmanKhan AzamKhan Imad Wasim Amir
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Babar, Chacha, Amir, Shaheen, Rauf and Rizwan were the primary reason for that loss with shadab having a bit of blame.

Babar: 43 of 41 on a road pitch and honestly played a very embrassing innings.

Chacha: Bottled his 3rd super over in history

Shaheen: Poor bowling and dropped the most important catch of Amir. Had he taken that Pakistan would have won.

Amir: Horrible and dreadful super over bowling wise.

Rauf: Completly Botched the final over

Rizwan: Got out early and put pressure on the middle and lower order.

Furthermore neither Babar nor rizwan came out for the super over.

Sending fakhar was the correct decision but sending chacha who prior to this game had flunked 2 super overs, and sending shadab aka a tail ender and tulle baaz to face usa's best bowler is absolutely unforgivable.

Poor poor captaincy.

I saw the game live ball by ball and my comments are still available on that usa vs pak match thread assuming it's still here on PP.
 
mominsaigol said:
Babar, Chacha, Amir, Shaheen, Rauf and Rizwan were the primary reason for that loss with shadab having a bit of blame.

Babar: 43 of 41 on a road pitch and honestly played a very embrassing innings.

Chacha: Bottled his 3rd super over in history

Shaheen: Poor bowling and dropped the most important catch of Amir. Had he taken that Pakistan would have won.

Amir: Horrible and dreadful super over bowling wise.

Rauf: Completly Botched the final over

Rizwan: Got out early and put pressure on the middle and lower order.

Furthermore neither Babar nor rizwan came out for the super over.

Sending fakhar was the correct decision but sending chacha who prior to this game had flunked 2 super overs, and sending shadab aka a tail ender and tulle baaz to face usa's best bowler is absolutely unforgivable.

Poor poor captaincy.

I saw the game live ball by ball and my comments are still available on that usa vs pak match thread assuming it's still here on PP.
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@Kianig89 I'm surprised you didn't mention Naseem Shah.

He genuinely bowled his heart out and he shpuld have bowled the super over.

Infact USA was casually cruising along the chase. Naseem's tight bowling is what made it reach the final over. The way usa was causing along, they'd have won by 7 to 8 wickets and would have chased it down by the 15th.
 
mominsaigol said:
Babar should retire from tests and t20, he's useless in them. Should only play odi.

Rizwan should retire from odi and t20. Just play tests at no 7/no 8.

But ik it won't happen because people will hide behind rizzu's keeping clause and apprantly Babar is going through a rough patch that has lasted since the age of the ottoman empire.

A washed up steve smith(odi) is playing better then bobby atm
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Are you basing at the moment on just a single game ?
 
emranabbas said:
The issue with some Rizwan and Babar fans is that they come here acting like they know everything about cricket, like "Mr. Know-It-All cricket." It's as if what the rizwan babar fan group think is the ultimate truth. Well, if rizwan babar fans are that certain that so and so will fail as if they k kw the future, maybe they could tell us the next winning lottery numbers!

As for Asif, I believe he should be tried as an opener. If he has any flaws, it’s up to the coaches to help him work on those. And if Asif doesn’t work out, we can always try someone else. If Rizwan, Babar, and the rest of the top order were clearing boundaries, we wouldn't even be having this discussion about Asif. So, either Asif or others who can clear boundries should be tried, or those who currently in the team need to step up. Bottom line is pakistan needs to win games. only 8 6's in 110 powerplays is just pathetic.
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After so many years you want a coach to work on a players flaws.
 
Lest we forget, Pakistan under Babar’s captaincy made the final of the 2022 World Cup.

Then PCB decided to reintroduce two self-proclaimed match-winners like Imad and Amir, and Pakistan crashed out in the group stage.

Same captain, same squad. World Cup final.

Same captain, same squad + Amir & Imad. Group stage.

The cherry on top? Both Amir & Imad played starring roles in ensuring that Pakistan crash out in the group stage.

History will never forget this. The ultimate Ls for the sorry careers of Amir & Imad who only returned to humiliate themselves. If they could go back in time, they would stay retired to protect their dignity.

Furthermore, they didn’t return because they cared about Pakistan; they returned because there was no franchise cricket at the time, so there was no opportunity cost. The temptation of easy World Cup money and perks + a paid trip to USA was too tempting to turn down.

Perhaps it was karma that both got embarrassed in the World Cup. That is exactly what they deserved.
 
emranabbas said:
As for Asif, I believe he should be tried as an opener. If he has any flaws, it’s up to the coaches to help him work on those. And if Asif doesn’t work out, we can always try someone else. If Rizwan, Babar, and the rest of the top order were clearing boundaries, we wouldn't even be having this discussion about Asif. So, either Asif or others who can clear boundries should be tried, or those who currently in the team need to step up. Bottom line is pakistan needs to win games. only 8 6's in 110 powerplays is just pathetic.
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But who told you that Asif Ali can clear boundaries? A batsman who averages 15 at a SR of 134 cannot even see where the boundary is. He is a tailender. He is not even a batsman.

Pakistan needs to win games so your solution to start winning is to bet on a 15 averaging batsman? People with 150 IQ need to bow your genius.

Why should Asif Ali open when he has failed with flying colors at every level. Where is it written that every pathetic player must be allowed to open.
 
Mamoon said:
But who told you that Asif Ali can clear boundaries? A batsman who averages 15 at a SR of 134 cannot even see where the boundary is. He is a tailender. He is not even a batsman.

Pakistan needs to win games so your solution to start winning is to bet on a 15 averaging batsman? People with 150 IQ need to bow your genius.

Why should Asif Ali open when he has failed with flying colors at every level. Where is it written that every pathetic player must be allowed to open.
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If you truly understood how the power play operates and the differences between the first and last phases, you wouldn’t be asking me this question.
 
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emranabbas said:
If you truly understood how the power play operates and the differences between the first and last phases, you wouldn’t be asking me this question.
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I have seen more than enough cricket in my lifetime to know that an abject failure like Asif Ali will be an abject failure at every positioning including opening the innings.

Opening the innings is not a walk in the park. You have to combat a wide variety of opening bowlers and sometimes the condition can be testing with prodigious movement. Similarly, you will also have to play certain teams who will open the bowling with spinners.

There are a lot of different combinations, situations and permutations that an opening batsman has to tackle even in T20 cricket in today’s game. A horrible player like Asif Ali simply doesn’t have the skill and the intelligence to combat all of that and succeed.

If he opens in T20Is, he will probably be as useless as Sharjeel was for Pakistan, averaging 22 at a SR of 133. These are the kind of stats Asif Ali would produce if he were to open.

Babar and Rizwan are 100x the openers in T20Is cricket that Asif Ali and Sharjeel can hope to be.

Before Sharjeel fans throw a hissy fit, they should not forget that both him and Babar opened together for Kings for two consecutive seasons and Babar completely outclassed him. Similarly, Rizwan opened for Sultans and he also outclassed Sharjeel.

These low IQ fans need a dose of reality from time to time. Their delusional mentality is getting out of hand now. Vouching for players like Asif Ali and claiming that they should open the innings is complete drivel backed by nothing but ignorance and delusion.
 
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Mamoon said:
I forget more about cricket than you would ever learn. I have seen more than enough cricket in my lifetime to know that an abject failure like Asif Ali will be an abject failure at every positioning including opening the innings.

Opening the innings is not a walk in the park. You have to combat a wide variety of opening bowlers and sometimes the condition can be testing with prodigious movement. Similarly, you will also have to play certain teams who will open the bowling with spinners.

There are a lot of different combinations, situations and permutations that an opening batsman has to tackle even in T20 cricket in today’s game. A horrible player like Asif Ali simply doesn’t have the skill and the intelligence to combat all of that and succeed.

If he opens in T20Is, he will probably be as useless as Sharjeel was for Pakistan, averaging 22 at a SR of 133. These are the kind of stats Asif Ali would produce if he were to open.

Babar and Rizwan are 100x the openers in T20Is cricket that Asif Ali and Sharjeel can hope to be.

Before Sharjeel fans throw a hissy fit, they should not forget that both him and Babar opened together for Kings for two consecutive seasons and Babar completely outclassed him. Similarly, Rizwan opened for Sultans and he also outclassed Sharjeel.

These low IQ fans need a dose of reality from time to time. Their delusional mentality is getting out of hand now. Vouching for players like Asif Ali and claiming that they should open the innings is complete drivel backed by nothing but ignorance and delusion.
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I am sure Asif Ali is terrible along with a few others.

But even if Wajahatullah Wasti was given the same role of just batting at his own pace and not worry about ever being dropped, he would eclipse the useless Babar and Rizwan in opening.
 
a complete joke. Asif Ali ? Who got out on duck in 2 matches of HKS6s ?

Not every international bowler is Karim Jannat.
 
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Faheem was preferred over him even in Hong Kong sixes . That’s your answer
 
There is no point comparing IMAD here now. Thread is really not about him. No more such posts that are irrelevant.

FOR THE TOPIC:

We should first hype Asif Ali to be made captain of the HING KONG SIXES team. Start fresh NO???
 
BouncerGuy said:
There is no point comparing IMAD here now. Thread is really not about him. No more such posts that are irrelevant.

FOR THE TOPIC:

We should first hype Asif Ali to be made captain of the HING KONG SIXES team. Start fresh NO???
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Already too much beizzati of Asif Ali proponents, case may be closed
 
Dr_Bassim said:
I am sure Asif Ali is terrible along with a few others.

But even if Wajahatullah Wasti was given the same role of just batting at his own pace and not worry about ever being dropped, he would eclipse the useless Babar and Rizwan in opening.
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As T20I openers:

Babar:
Avg 39, SR 131

Rizwan:
Avg 55, SR 130

Fakhar:
Avg 23, SR 136

Clearly, facts don’t support your mythical narrative.
 
Rana said:
Please don’t shoot me down.

I think it’s the only way this guy will secure a position in the team and the only way he can best utilise himself!

He is a selfless player and plays 100% for Pakistan’s win. He wasn’t too bad when he was appointed captain by IU as well.

Let’s move on from uninspiring Babar Azam and Rizwan after the World Cup!

Pakistan cricket has suffered more than enough for a sustained amount of time at the hands of players/captains who have not had the best interest of the country at heart. For this, I severely blame Babar and Rizwan as two culprits that have done insurmountable damage to Pakistan cricket.

Two players who have misused power to occupy important batting positions and not doing justice to the roles they have stubbornly held on to. On top of it, they have set the wrong tone with their supporters naively or intentionally promoting the wrong definition of ‘performance’. These false perceptions of ‘performance’ are also misleading the key decision makers at the PCB to appoint the wrong kind of players in positions of power, and the cycle of selfishness and self promotion continues again and again.

Asif Ali is identified as a player that has always put Pakistan first and himself as second. He, like everyone else has the ability to take his time and ensure that he scores a ‘safety first for myself’ score first, but this has never been his intention as he knows that the win is more important for Pakistan than his own personal glory.

As fans of Pakistan cricket, you must ask yourself the serious question. Do you wish to be lead by someone that cares about themselves, or someone who cares about the pride of the nation?

If Asif Ali isn’t that man for you, who is?
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@Rana nice addition to the op
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Imad Wasim was barely jogging when running singles during the India game. It was a half hearted attempt, devoid of any energy or urgency and he should not be absolved from blame for his awful cricket.
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He didn't play the World T20 to win. He along with Amir played just to keep their stocks current for T20 leagues worldwide. Mission accomplished in that regard.
 
If the squad in 2021 with Babar and Rizwan can make the World Cup semis

And then the squad in 2022 with Babar and Rizwan can make the World Cup final

But then the squad in 2024 loses to the USA and gets knocked out in the group stages BUT the only difference is they introduced 2 tv show pundits Imad and Amir is this a failure on Babar and Rizwans part or the only 2 factors which changed in the 3 tournaments?

Then again producing logic to certain posters on here is like asking Asif Ali to average more than 28 in any form of cricket - impossible.

The question should not be whether Asif can replace Babar, it should be, what is Asif Ali good at?
 
Asif Ali the GOAT should be made captain and give full authority to select the team, there should be complete ban on selection of RizBar so that the team captain picks is completely gelled and united and free of any manhosiyat of tuk tuk.

Imam
Usman
HaiderAli
AzamKhan+
AsifAli c
Imad
Shadab
Amir
UsamaMir
Zaman
Ihsanullah
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Don't get surprised if the team at the end of PP is 45/5
 
Kianig89 said:
Asif Ali the GOAT should be made captain and give full authority to select the team, there should be complete ban on selection of RizBar so that the team captain picks is completely gelled and united and free of any manhosiyat of tuk tuk.

Imam
Usman
HaiderAli
AzamKhan+
AsifAli c
Imad
Shadab
Amir
UsamaMir
Zaman
Ihsanullah
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Don't get surprised if the team at the end of PP is 45/5
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Why would you add Imam after trying to act sarcastic and saying there should be no manhusiyat of tuk tuk players?

You people have ZERO clue about the DNA of your own cricketers.

Pakistan cricket fans are as outdated as their white ball cricket batting.
 
Rana said:
Why would you add Imam after trying to act sarcastic and saying there should be no manhusiyat of tuk tuk players?

You people have ZERO clue about the DNA of your own cricketers.

Pakistan cricket fans are as outdated as their white ball cricket batting.
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Pakistani fans are their own enemies at this point. The irony is that they know full their whiteball side is outdated

@RedwoodOriginal was using the excuse of how t20 and odi isn't real cricket and only test matters.

Very dishonest people.
 
Rana said:
Why would you add Imam after trying to act sarcastic and saying there should be no manhusiyat of tuk tuk players?

You people have ZERO clue about the DNA of your own cricketers.

Pakistan cricket fans are as outdated as their white ball cricket batting.
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Asif Ali is free to pick his desired opener , Shan Masood is also available :sree
 
mominsaigol said:
50 years from now, no one will remember anything.

How many top players do you feasibly remember from the 60's and 70's? Viv Richards, Sobers, Sunny and a few others.

It's the same case for everything. How many pop stars from the 70's you remember? You'll only be able to name a few.

Even in football, Besides Messi and ronaldo, I don't think anyone has that staying power be it mbappe, neymar etc etc. Do you even know of any football star from the 70's?

50 years is a very long time. Babar does not have that staying power.

Very few people do.
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I hope to, I still remember the moment I became a fan of the sport 25 years ago, the lime green shirt and the rawalpindi express getting ready to shoot from the boundary with the sun blazing behind him, the atmosphere was electric and those were the days everyone got together to watch ‘Pakistan’.

These days it’s more like watching the match off your phone because you’re so excited to see Rizwan twerk behind the stumps and simultaneously bump Asif Ali threads - ‘Hahaha hehehe Asif Ali kuptaan hahahaha heehehe I was so right, you’re stupid.’

But inshaAllah if I am still around in another 25 years, I hope I will cherish the inception of the love I once had for sport.
 
Asif Ali began his T20 career as an opener for Faisalabad Wolves in 2011, consistently playing in the top three until 2016 a solid five-year stretch.

During his debut, he scored an impressive 100 off 80 balls, and often provided strong starts by capitalizing on the powerplay in the early overs.

However, when the Pakistan Super League (PSL) came around in 2016, Asif found himself lower in the batting order due to big names like Sharjeel Khan, Shane Watson, and Andre Russell occupying the top spots. As a result, he was often slotted in at number six or seven.

When Asif made his international debut, there were established players like Fakhar Zaman, Shoaib Malik, Sarfaraz Ahmed, and Mohammad Hafeez ahead of him, leaving him no option but to adapt to a number seven role. He was moulded into that position due to the team's needs at the time.

Now, with those senior players no longer in the lineup and with top-order batsmen like Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan often criticized for playing cowardly, there's a strong argument for giving Asif his original opening spot to fully utilize the powerplay.

So, why shouldn't Asif Ali be considered for the opener role now, He even managed a half-century in the only ODI he opened in.

Let's hear the reasoning, but avoid relying on his number seven performances he's not going to be playing there. number 7 and opening are 2 different roles completely. don't give me 1 liners

@shamaan
 
Kianig89 said:
Asif Ali the GOAT should be made captain and give full authority to select the team, there should be complete ban on selection of RizBar so that the team captain picks is completely gelled and united and free of any manhosiyat of tuk tuk.

Imam
Usman
HaiderAli
AzamKhan+
AsifAli c
Imad
Shadab
Amir
UsamaMir
Zaman
Ihsanullah
-------------------
Don't get surprised if the team at the end of PP is 45/5
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If you're going to make a joke, what was the need to add Imam?
 
Rana said:
Because he thinks we hate Babar and Rizwan so that Imam can open for Pakistan :ROFLMAO:
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According to Imam, he is "automatic selection". I tell you what I think.
 
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topspin said:
On a serious note, Imam is a Nepal standard opening batsman in white ball cricket.
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The other thing I might have worked out with this lot, they probably think we rate Imam as some dangerous opening batter…maybe he is rated as some gun batsman in Pakistan for Pakistan cricket fan standards? You can see a harp on about him as if he is Mathew Hayden of Pakistan

This is why I feel these Pakistan cricket fans have got it totally wrong when it comes to rating players. The guy genuinely thinks we see Imam as some Hayden.
 
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Rana said:
The other thing I might have worked out with this lot, they probably think we rate Imam as some dangerous opening batter…maybe he is rated as some gun batsman in Pakistan for Pakistan cricket fan standards? You can see a harp on about him as if he is Mathew Hayden of Pakistan

This is why I feel these Pakistan cricket fans have got it totally wrong when it comes to rating players. The guy genuinely thinks we see Imam as some Hayden.
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When you bring in Imam to make your point to diss the likes of Asif Ali and etc, it's literally an own goal.
 
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emranabbas said:
Asif Ali began his T20 career as an opener for Faisalabad Wolves in 2011, consistently playing in the top three until 2016 a solid five-year stretch.

During his debut, he scored an impressive 100 off 80 balls, and often provided strong starts by capitalizing on the powerplay in the early overs.

However, when the Pakistan Super League (PSL) came around in 2016, Asif found himself lower in the batting order due to big names like Sharjeel Khan, Shane Watson, and Andre Russell occupying the top spots. As a result, he was often slotted in at number six or seven.

When Asif made his international debut, there were established players like Fakhar Zaman, Shoaib Malik, Sarfaraz Ahmed, and Mohammad Hafeez ahead of him, leaving him no option but to adapt to a number seven role. He was moulded into that position due to the team's needs at the time.

Now, with those senior players no longer in the lineup and with top-order batsmen like Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan often criticized for playing cowardly, there's a strong argument for giving Asif his original opening spot to fully utilize the powerplay.

So, why shouldn't Asif Ali be considered for the opener role now, He even managed a half-century in the only ODI he opened in.

Let's hear the reasoning, but avoid relying on his number seven performances he's not going to be playing there. number 7 and opening are 2 different roles completely. don't give me 1 liners

@shamaan
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So you want a batter who last batted at the oppening spot in 2017 to open in 2024.

When did Andre Russel open whilst in the same team as Asif Ali ?
 
shamaan said:
So you want a batter who last batted at the oppening spot in 2017 to open in 2024.

When did Andre Russel open whilst in the same team as Asif Ali ?
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Where did I say Andre Russell opened the innings?

Give me a reason why he shouldn’t open it’s clear he’s been misused number 7.

Also, suggest a player who should open the innings and can clear the boundary during the powerplay, besides Fakhar and Saim.

Babar has only hit 6 sixes across around 60 odd powerplays he’s played – that’s just 1 six every 10 innings. That's pathetic in this era.
 
emranabbas said:
Where did I say Andre Russell opened the innings?

Give me a reason why he shouldn’t open it’s clear he’s been misused number 7.

Also, suggest a player who should open the innings and can clear the boundary during the powerplay, besides Fakhar and Saim.

Babar has only hit 6 sixes across around 60 odd powerplays he’s played – that’s just 1 six every 10 innings. That's pathetic in this era.
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Facts. I've just tagged you in a post regarding his innings today. I would be interested to get your thoughts.
 
emranabbas said:
Where did I say Andre Russell opened the innings?

Give me a reason why he shouldn’t open it’s clear he’s been misused number 7.

Also, suggest a player who should open the innings and can clear the boundary during the powerplay, besides Fakhar and Saim.

Babar has only hit 6 sixes across around 60 odd powerplays he’s played – that’s just 1 six every 10 innings. That's pathetic in this era.
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First you talking about opening the Innings then your talking about top spots which one is it going to be.

You already answered your own question Saim and Fakhar should open in odis.Let Asif Ali open in domestic then we can come back to the discussion.
 
shamaan said:
First you talking about opening the Innings then your talking about top spots which one is it going to be.

You already answered your own question Saim and Fakhar should open in odis.Let Asif Ali open in domestic then we can come back to the discussion.
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It seems you’re having trouble understanding simple English, so let me break it down for you.

When the PSL began, the same team asif played in had players like Shane Watson, Sharjeel, Andre Russell, and Brad Haddin, all playing ahead of him. Because of this, he couldn’t play in the top order like he did prior to PSL

You can't just rely on fakhar and saim what if one is dropped, out of form or injured who are your players then who can play the powerplay and hit 6's and 4's in that case name me 2 players

So Mr who are your players if not Asif?
 
emranabbas said:
It seems you’re having trouble understanding simple English, so let me break it down for you.

When the PSL began, the same team asif played in had players like Shane Watson, Sharjeel, Andre Russell, and Brad Haddin, all playing ahead of him. Because of this, he couldn’t play in the top order like he did prior to PSL

You can't just rely on fakhar and saim what if one is dropped, out of form or injured who are your players then who can play the powerplay and hit 6's and 4's in that case name me 2 players

So Mr who are your players if not Asif?
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We are not discusing players that played from 1-6.we are discussing the oppening slot.your acting like the names you mentioned played in every psl squad that Asif Ali played in.

Even Hussain Talat and multiple crap players batted ahead of Asif ali.
 
shamaan said:
We are not discusing players that played from 1-6.we are discussing the oppening slot.your acting like the names you mentioned played in every psl squad that Asif Ali played in.

Even Hussain Talat and multiple crap players batted ahead of Asif ali.
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Which part of "players ahead of him" do you not understand?

If Watson and Sharjeel are opening, what do you expect Asif to do – sit on their shoulders to bat?

Then you had Brad Haddin and Andre Russell coming in at 3 and 4, so he couldn’t play there either.

After that, Khalid Latif and Misbah were coming in at 5 and 6.

So, tell me, where was there room for Asif?

He had to bat at 7, even though he’d been playing in the top order before that.

Anyways still waiting for your replies

Who are your 2 players then?
 
emranabbas said:
It seems you’re having trouble understanding simple English, so let me break it down for you.

When the PSL began, the same team asif played in had players like Shane Watson, Sharjeel, Andre Russell, and Brad Haddin, all playing ahead of him. Because of this, he couldn’t play in the top order like he did prior to PSL

You can't just rely on fakhar and saim what if one is dropped, out of form or injured who are your players then who can play the powerplay and hit 6's and 4's in that case name me 2 players

So Mr who are your players if not Asif?
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First he nerds
emranabbas said:
Which part of "players ahead of him" do you not understand?

If Watson and Sharjeel are opening, what do you expect Asif to do – sit on their shoulders to bat?

Then you had Brad Haddin and Andre Russell coming in at 3 and 4, so he couldn’t play there either.

After that, Khalid Latif and Misbah were coming in at 5 and 6.

So, tell me, where was there room for Asif?

He had to bat at 7, even though he’d been playing in the top order before that.

Anyways still waiting for your replies

Who are your 2 players then?
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Why are you not mentioning the rest of the psl seasons or you going to pick and choose.

I already told you anyone baring Asif Ali.
 
shamaan said:
First he nerds
Why are you not mentioning the rest of the psl seasons or you going to pick and choose.

I already told you anyone baring Asif Ali.
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Because in that PSL was when the change was made.

2011-2016 asif ali opener

PSL 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021 2022 2023 2024 asif ali number 7

Can't make it any easier than that

Mentioned them all you understand now?
 
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