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Can Babar Azam join the group of Fab 4 and make it a Fab 5?

Ab Fan said:
Honestly, he won't even be considered an Australian great let alone an ATG. He is an excellent ODI batsmen but in test cricket, he is just a very good batsmen, with an average of 46 and away average close to 34, having played half of his games on some really flat Australian wickets.

I am not even sure how he would have even fared if he had played on the Australian wickets of 90s to mid 00s. A match winner in his comfort zone but a complete liability outside that.
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People are really holding that bad Ashes series against him... it's not as if he hasn't scored runs overseas. He has 6 100s away from home, 3 of them in SA and 1 in the UAE.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Warner still avgs 46 in tests opening the batting.

Babar avgs 36, coming in at no.5

Babar is nowhere close to Warnner.
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Man what has Warner done to get people questioning his quality?

Guess people really don't like him and are letting the hate and the bad Ashes series to cloud their judgement. There's very few better match winners in world cricket. The man has 22 Test centuries for crying out loud, that's more than Kane.
 
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Aman said:
Man what has Warner done to get people questioning his quality?

Guess people really don't like him and are letting the hate and the bad Ashes series to cloud their judgement. There's very few better match winners in world cricket. The man has 22 Test centuries for crying out loud, that's more than Kane.
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Question should be what has Babar done in tests to be compared to Warner?
 
Aman said:
I rate performances and winning matches. Warner and Rohit in that regard are two of the best in the world, on a similar level to Kohli and Smith.

If we're speaking batsmenship and technique, that's different. But being the best - performances and winning matches is what matters most.
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rohit and warner would never be on smith and kohli's level. Both can't score in all conditions.

Warner's 46 average is rubbish.
He only scores in south africa and australia. n.z to an extent. his record in Asia is pathetic.
 
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cricketjoshila said:
Question should be what has Babar done in tests to be compared to Warner?
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It is ridiculous to be comparing the two at this stage.

You're comparing one of the top century makers in the format playing today to someone who scored their 1st? today.
 
tyron_woodley said:
rohit and warner would never be on smith and kohli's level. Both can't score in all conditions.
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That's what usually puts Smith and Kohli ahead, but there are periods when you can put them ahead based on output and matches won.
 
Mobashir said:
I am trying to guess how a hatter like you is feeling right now after Babar just scored a hundred at the Gabba coming in at 25-3 against Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood and Lyon.
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Are you telling me that Babar, after just 1 century in SENA and 1 in , is better batsman than the likes of Pujara, Rahane, Warner, Stokes, Butler, Taylor, and the fab 4 who have done scores multiple hundreds and average more than Babar.

He might have the potential, but potential does not put one in the top tier category.
 
tyron_woodley said:
rohit and warner would never be on smith and kohli's level. Both can't score in all conditions.

Warner's 46 average is rubbish.
He only scores in south africa and australia. n.z to an extent. his record in Asia is pathetic.
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Warner's record in Bangladesh and U.A.E is actually good.
Joshila sahab aap josh me hosh kho baithe ho.
 
Sidilicious said:
Are you telling me that Babar, after just 1 century in SENA and 1 in , is better batsman than the likes of Pujara, Rahane, Warner, Stokes, Butler, Taylor, and the fab 4 who have done scores multiple hundreds and average more than Babar.

He might have the potential, but potential does not put one in the top tier category.
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Very funny.. He once said on current form he is the best batsmen after Smith on par with kohli even before ton he had made today🤣🤣🤣
 
Aman said:
People are really holding that bad Ashes series against him... it's not as if he hasn't scored runs overseas. He has 6 100s away from home, 3 of them in SA and 1 in the UAE.
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He is poor vs swing, seam and spin. His performance in India, England, New Zealand and Sri Lanka is very poor for an elite test batter. An average of 34 away from home speaks all we have to know, more so, when you consider that he played his home matches on some really flat Australian wickets.

As far as comparison with Babar is concerned, its pointless to compare both because Babar test career has just started while Warner already is a established player for Australia for years now.
 
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Ab Fan said:
He is poor vs swing, seam and spin. His performance in India, England, New Zealand and Sri Lanka is very poor for an elite test batter. An average of 34 speaks all we have to know, more so, when you consider that he played his home matches on some really flat Australian wickets.

As far as comparison with Babar is concerned, its pointless to compare both because Babar test career has just started while Warner already is a established player for Australia for years now.
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It's not like he hasn't scored runs in difficult conditions, I remember him doing well in Hobart which was a proper green top and difficult for batting. We won the match by 7 runs but he was left stranded on 123.
 
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[MENTION=139595]Ab Fan[/MENTION] there's like probably only two elite batsmen from this generation who can score everywhere even then they're far from perfect.

Smith's marquee innings in India came after like 20 odd chances, he had to score 100 after having that may lifelines. Warner probably would have scored a double or triple with that many chances.

Everyone else has flaws or gaps.

IMO Warner's ability to win matches makes up for it, he basically guarantees you wins at home and on quick, bouncy pitches is a beast.
 
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Aman said:
It's not like he hasn't scored runs in difficult conditions, I remember him doing well in Hobart which was a proper green top and difficult for batting.
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There will be an odd inning or so when the bowlers failed to make proper utilization of conditions but there is no question that outside his comfort zone(which is pace and true bounce), he is a complete liability.

His numbers speak for himself. Averages 46 overall with an away average of 34, and this is when both Smith and Warner have their averages a bit inflated due to Australian wickets that have been produced in this decade.
 
What people overlook is Kohli and Smith are middle order batsmen, they do not open or come out at 3. Very different to be in facing the new ball and the oppositions bowlers when they're fresh than to be facing the second and third change bowlers with a 20-30 over old ball.
 
Aman said:
What people overlook is Kohli and Smith are middle order batsmen, they do not open or come out at 3. Very different to be in facing the new ball and the oppositions bowlers when they're fresh than to be facing the second and third change bowlers with a 20-30 over old ball.
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Smith averages 67 at no 3 and has 8 centuries.
 
Ab Fan said:
There will be an odd inning or so when the bowlers failed to make proper utilization of conditions but there is no question that outside his comfort zone(which is pace and true bounce), he is a complete liability.

His numbers speak for himself. Averages 46 overall with an away average of 34, and this is when both Smith and Warner have their averages a bit inflated due to Australian wickets that have been produced in this decade.
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Yeah, that didn't happen. He was just excellent that day, we knocked everyone over and he was the only reason Aus were in the game. He nearly got them the win (think this was his debut too) only to be left stranded on 123 with 7 runs left.
 
Aman said:
All in Aus against India?

Warner has been more of a thorn for us than Smith, maybe that's why I hold him with more respect than others here.
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2 in England,1 in Windies,3 in India,1 in Srilanka,1 against Newzealand.
7 away from home.
 
andy0204 said:
Warner's record in Bangladesh and U.A.E is actually good.
Joshila sahab aap josh me hosh kho baithe ho.
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Bangladesh and post misbah pakistan are not india. You don't score against india in India, you are not an ATG. simple. He has been **** in india.
 
tyron_woodley said:
Bangladesh and post misbah pakistan are not india. You don't score against india in India, you are not an ATG. simple. He has been **** in india.
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That century in U.a.e that he scored was during Misbah was captain.
 
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Sidilicious said:
Are you telling me that Babar, after just 1 century in SENA and 1 in , is better batsman than the likes of Pujara, Rahane, Warner, Stokes, Butler, Taylor, and the fab 4 who have done scores multiple hundreds and average more than Babar.

He might have the potential, but potential does not put one in the top tier category.
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Rahane and Buttler's name have nothing to do in the list.
Just that if tomorrow I have to play an important test match I will pick Babar in the team in front of the other players you named (in the midle order).

PS : Stokes as an all rounder, clutch player is right next to (or just behind) as the second best player in the world. He is out of this world, a match winner like no other.
 
Aman said:
Yeah, that didn't happen. He was just excellent that day, we knocked everyone over and he was the only reason Aus were in the game. He nearly got them the win (think this was his debut too) only to be left stranded on 123 with 7 runs left.
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Tier 1:- Smith, Kohli

Tier 2:- None

Tier 3:- Williamson, Root(going through bad patch but belongs there IMO)

Tier 4:- Taylor, Warner, Pujara
 
jiduguravindra said:
Very funny.. He once said on current form he is the best batsmen after Smith on par with kohli even before ton he had made today������
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Because it was inevitable he was going to score. Just too good to not score.
 
warner is a very good player. No doubt. but his record vs india and England in England isn't good. To be compared with smith and kohli you need to perform everywhere. He Is a tier below them 2. Doesn't mean he isn't good. Just not at the level of smith and kohli.

Btw kane is poor in Asia too especially india.
root as well.

I would put warner in the same bracket as Kane and root.
 
tyron_woodley said:
warner is a very good player. No doubt. but his record vs india and England in England isn't good. To be compared with smith and kohli you need to perform everywhere. He Is a tier below them 2. Doesn't mean he isn't good. Just not at the level of smith and kohli.

Btw kane is poor in Asia too especially india.
root as well.

I would put warner in the same bracket as Kane and root.
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Root poor in Asia?
You seem to started watching cricket now.
 
Mobashir said:
Rahane and Buttler's name have nothing to do in the list.
Just that if tomorrow I have to play an important test match I will pick Babar in the team in front of the other players you named (in the midle order).

PS : Stokes as an all rounder, clutch player is right next to (or just behind) as the second best player in the world. He is out of this world, a match winner like no other.
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stokes is an ATG. class of his own. hard to compare him to a pure batsman.

best all rounder of the modern era. He performed everywhere so he is up there with smith and kohli imo.
 
andy0204 said:
So what ponting also went missing to India that doesn't mean he is not an atg.
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he averages 24 in india. warner. You don't perform against the best team then you are not a tier 1 player like smith and kohli.
 
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Aman said:
What people overlook is Kohli and Smith are middle order batsmen, they do not open or come out at 3. Very different to be in facing the new ball and the oppositions bowlers when they're fresh than to be facing the second and third change bowlers with a 20-30 over old ball.
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Smith has a stellar record and some very good innings at number 3.
So again, wrong to put his name along Kohli who has never batted at that position. The only one of the top batsman to never have experience to take the challenge to bat at 3.
 
Mobashir said:
And you think it's normal for you to give me just one link for the greatest batsman of his generation?
I will help you, he also played very well in the 3rd test against South Africa in SA. And that's all.
So putting his name along Steven Smith is an insult to Steven Smith. Kohli is the king of soft runs in Test cricket.
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After scoring that many tough runs in test cricket. You are calling kohli as King of soft runs,ok fine then u have to accept that babar is king of soft run kings.kohli had 70 international centuries how many babar has?
 
tyron_woodley said:
ponting isn't a GOAT level batsman. He is a great player. That's it. kalis is an ATG.
tenda ATG. scored everywhere.
smith ATG scored everywhere.
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Kallis went missing in England.
He has been regarded as ATG allrounder not as a batsman.
 
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andy0204 said:
Look at your post you said warners record in asia is pathetic i just pointed out that his record is good in Bangladesh and U.a.e.
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I said india. india is Asia. number 1 team in the world is india. You need to perform vs india. You need to perform in the hardest place to tour. You don't then you aren't an GOAT tier batsman. not every tom dick and Harry can be a GOAT level batsman.

all time great is not GOAT tier.
ATG is just a good/great player. Not the best just one of the best.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Warner still avgs 46 in tests opening the batting.

Babar avgs 36, coming in at no.5

Babar is nowhere close to Warnner.
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I wasnt comapring babar to anyone. Just making a point that warners numbers are inflated by playing on true bouncy surfaces with no sideways movement. The kind of pitches he has always played on
 
tyron_woodley said:
I said india. india is Asia. number 1 team in the world is india. You need to perform vs india. You need to perform in the hardest place to tour. You don't then you aren't an GOAT tier batsman. not every tom dick and Harry can be a GOAT level batsman.

all time great is not GOAT tier.
ATG is just a good/great player. Not the best just one of the best.
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Did i ever mentioned Warner as atg?
I just pointed out that his record in Asia is not that poor as you are making.
 
andy0204 said:
Did i ever mentioned Warner as atg?
I just pointed out that his record in Asia is not that poor as you are making.
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not you but some were claiming that he is on smith and kohli's level. He isn't. he is on kane's and root's level which is just a tier below.
 
Mobashir said:
Rahane and Buttler's name have nothing to do in the list.
Just that if tomorrow I have to play an important test match I will pick Babar in the team in front of the other players you named (in the midle order).

PS : Stokes as an all rounder, clutch player is right next to (or just behind) as the second best player in the world. He is out of this world, a match winner like no other.
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All of them, including Rahane (I agree with you on the Buttler not being better than Babar) have delivered more than Babar in SENA and have delivered. Babar, who has scored all of 1 century in Australia and 1 in UAE, is not better than the likes of Pujara, Rahane, Warner, Stokes (the batsman alone) and Taylor.

Again, he might be too good a batsman to overtake them in the future, but as of now he hasnt overtaken them.
 
Sidilicious said:
All of them, including Rahane (I agree with you on the Buttler not being better than Babar) have delivered more than Babar in SENA and have delivered. Babar, who has scored all of 1 century in Australia and 1 in UAE, is not better than the likes of Pujara, Rahane, Warner, Stokes (the batsman alone) and Taylor.

Again, he might be too good a batsman to overtake them in the future, but as of now he hasnt overtaken them.
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My statement from the start was "on current form"... Obviously he hasn't achieved much for now, so if his career ends now he will be a nobody.
 
Aman said:
What people overlook is Kohli and Smith are middle order batsmen, they do not open or come out at 3. Very different to be in facing the new ball and the oppositions bowlers when they're fresh than to be facing the second and third change bowlers with a 20-30 over old ball.
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In the ashes he was in during the 1st ten overs 6/7 of the times he batted. He averaged 110. What would he have averaged if he came in after 20 overs? 200?
 
He is a talented batsmen but he has not conquered the test format yet. He has not yet stamped his authority and dominated a match, never mind a series, which is what any batsmen has to do to become a member of the fab four.
 
Mobashir said:
I am trying to guess how a hatter like you is feeling right now after Babar just scored a hundred at the Gabba coming in at 25-3 against Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood and Lyon.
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I feel like selling some more hats. 😂
 
Mobashir said:
My statement from the start was "on current form"... Obviously he hasn't achieved much for now, so if his career ends now he will be a nobody.
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What period do you need to define current form? Given that most teams did not play much Test cricket between Feb-July due to WC, in my opinion, a minimum of 12 months is needed to define current form.

This is the record for all batsmen in the last 12 months.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...8;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting
 
a big hundred in next game and people shld stop talking abt fab-4 with root and bring in babar... Root has gone down the spiral stairs massively
 
In short,

Typical Pakistani fan :

Naseem is potentially world class

Babar is potential ATG

Shaheen is a potential world class bowler.

Smith is good but Babar is potentially world class.

Kohli is soft but Babar is world class

Hazlewood is good but Naseem is the pick of the bowlers of the generation.

Starc is amazing but ceiling of Shaheen is higher.

And you could go on...
 
Mobashir said:
And you think it's normal for you to give me just one link for the greatest batsman of his generation?
I will help you, he also played very well in the 3rd test against South Africa in SA. And that's all.
So putting his name along Steven Smith is an insult to Steven Smith. Kohli is the king of soft runs in Test cricket.
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Ok, so now let me tell you something.

Sena is for smith what srilanka, ban, pak, uae is for kohli.
Its obvious that kohli hasnt faced great asian teams but thats not his problem.
Now lets see how many matches have smith won in asia (and compare it to kohlis performance in SENA)
All in all smith has won a single test in india was whitewashed in sri lanka and uae.

So what has smith achieved in asia, where are his match winning performances?
Yes smith has more match winning performances in sena but thats his territory, its like comparing sachins match winning knocks in asia with ponting, there wont even be a competition.

Secondly, sachin tendulkar has a total of 2 match winning hundreds in SENA, so was he a king of soft runs?
Victory depends on team not just an individual.

Kohli is an out and out matchwinner in tests and so is Smith. Smith is better but kohli has made tough runs everywhere and its a joke to call him soft runs machine.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
In short,

Typical Pakistani fan :

Naseem is potentially world class

Babar is potential ATG

Shaheen is a potential world class bowler.

Smith is good but Babar is potentially world class.

Kohli is soft but Babar is world class

Hazlewood is good but Naseem is the pick of the bowlers of the generation.

Starc is amazing but ceiling of Shaheen is higher.

And you could go on...
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Hope you're not catching "mamoon" bug.
 
What nonsense is this? Pakistani fans are really the most dense fans out there.

Marcus L out scored Babar and then some, so bY that token he is better than Babar? Especially given his prolific run scoring in England earlier in the Ashes. Across the ocean Santnar scored more than Babar against a far better bowling attack - is he also better?

There is a reason sample size matters and Babar doesn’t have it - the last time Pakistani fans started the hype train we ended up with “Umar Akmal versus Virat Kohli” - how did that work out?

He is a good batsman full stop - but nowhere near Smith et all.
 
moghul said:
Hope you're not catching "mamoon" bug.
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I have begun to like Pakistan cricket.

But hyperboles and hype are not my cup of tea.

Potential never got you anywhere.

Potentially I am the next millionaire of the generation but that won't make me a millionaire. Hard work and putting in strides might make me get closer and even then I need a bit of luck.

I already think Babar is a future great. But why try to make him bigger than Warner, Kohli or Smith before his time based on "unknown or unseen" potential.

Judgment should be based on realism and less on bias. It cannot be completely eliminated but at least the level of hype should be congruent to the current performances of the person.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
I have begun to like Pakistan cricket.

But hyperboles and hype are not my cup of tea.

Potential never got you anywhere.

Potentially I am the next millionaire of the generation but that won't make me a millionaire. Hard work and putting in strides might make me get closer and even then I need a bit of luck.

I already think Babar is a future great. But why try to make him bigger than Warner, Kohli or Smith before his time based on "unknown or unseen" potential.

Judgment should be based on realism and less on bias. It cannot be completely eliminated but at least the level of hype should be congruent to the current performances of the person.
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a fair assesment.... babar needs to deliver a lot more in tests to be compared to Smith-kholi... he has had a good start, talent is there but needs to have tht hunger and perform ...

probably not fair to bring warner into the equation .. warner is good only in Aus n SA... rest he is worse than Asad Shafiq
 
Dr_Bassim said:
I have begun to like Pakistan cricket.

But hyperboles and hype are not my cup of tea.

Potential never got you anywhere.

Potentially I am the next millionaire of the generation but that won't make me a millionaire. Hard work and putting in strides might make me get closer and even then I need a bit of luck.

I already think Babar is a future great. But why try to make him bigger than Warner, Kohli or Smith before his time based on "unknown or unseen" potential.

Judgment should be based on realism and less on bias. It cannot be completely eliminated but at least the level of hype should be congruent to the current performances of the person.
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i do think tht he is pushing for tht no4 spot now.... Root is declining fast (Root is falling faster and babar is climbing slowly) i think the cross-over is almost there... a big hundred in next match and it should be complete)
 
Arya said:
Doesn't change the fact that the track was flat and batting friendly.

To join Fab 4, he needs some tough runs. This hundred could have been scored by a dozen more batsmen, there's nothing special here to elevate his level to Fab 4 or 5.
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pointing know betters than you and me .so i would assume we should believe what he said
The fact that he's done that today should be a really good learning curve for him for future overseas tours, not just the rest of this series, but going to somewhere like SA or England where he'll have conditions similar to Brisbane. If he plays with a blueprint from today's innings
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http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ccess-all-around-the-world-quot-Ricky-Ponting
 
I don't see him matching Smith and Kohli but I see no reason why he can't surpass Williamson and Root or at least match them.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Ok, so now let me tell you something.

Sena is for smith what srilanka, ban, pak, uae is for kohli.
Its obvious that kohli hasnt faced great asian teams but thats not his problem.
Now lets see how many matches have smith won in asia (and compare it to kohlis performance in SENA)
All in all smith has won a single test in india was whitewashed in sri lanka and uae.

So what has smith achieved in asia, where are his match winning performances?
Yes smith has more match winning performances in sena but thats his territory, its like comparing sachins match winning knocks in asia with ponting, there wont even be a competition.

Secondly, sachin tendulkar has a total of 2 match winning hundreds in SENA, so was he a king of soft runs?
Victory depends on team not just an individual.

Kohli is an out and out matchwinner in tests and so is Smith. Smith is better but kohli has made tough runs everywhere and its a joke to call him soft runs machine.
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He won't reply :))
 
saeed5646 said:
pointing know betters than you and me .so i would assume we should believe what he said

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ccess-all-around-the-world-quot-Ricky-Ponting
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"POINTING" and not Ponting also said great things about Ashok Dinda and Risabh Pant. But it never turned true. He went on to say Risabh Pant is Adam Gilchrist :sarf2

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/ric...h-pant-compares-him-to-adam-gilchrist-1981653

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-coach-and-his-family/articleshow/5293307.cms
 
sunny85 said:
"POINTING" and not Ponting also said great things about Ashok Dinda and Risabh Pant. But it never turned true. He went on to say Risabh Pant is Adam Gilchrist :sarf2

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/ric...h-pant-compares-him-to-adam-gilchrist-1981653

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-coach-and-his-family/articleshow/5293307.cms
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oh well you jump to conversation with knowing the context .i was talking about brisbane ''pitch'' which ponting agree and compare it with sa and england pitches .

i have not interest if he praise any tom dick it is his choice
 
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He still nowhere near them. Smith and Williamson would be by top 2 because they have single handedly won matches for their teams. Williamson more so with not such great batsman and bowlers around him. Babar needs to win games for Pakistan to be up there. Because as rightly pointed, there are many batsmen who score heavily yet they aren't considered in the top 4.
 
Thulsa said:
What nonsense is this? Pakistani fans are really the most dense fans out there.

Marcus L out scored Babar and then some, so bY that token he is better than Babar? Especially given his prolific run scoring in England earlier in the Ashes. Across the ocean Santnar scored more than Babar against a far better bowling attack - is he also better?

There is a reason sample size matters and Babar doesn’t have it - the last time Pakistani fans started the hype train we ended up with “Umar Akmal versus Virat Kohli” - how did that work out?

He is a good batsman full stop - but nowhere near Smith et all.
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santer has scored his first hundred against england and i assume you are saying england attack is better than hazlewood .cummin,starc and lyon that too on bouncy wicket of brisbane .Right?

no the last few battle have also turned worse for indian fans like shaheen vs khaleel and babar vs rahul .so did that also work out for you guys?

no body in right state of mind will compare babar with smith in test .few people doesnot represnt whole pakistan
 
Fantastic innings from Babar! It’s is quite an achievement to score a century in Australia.

I think the next maturation of babar’s batting I would like to see is too score big hundreds!
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Ok, so now let me tell you something.

Sena is for smith what srilanka, ban, pak, uae is for kohli.
Its obvious that kohli hasnt faced great asian teams but thats not his problem.
Now lets see how many matches have smith won in asia (and compare it to kohlis performance in SENA)
All in all smith has won a single test in india was whitewashed in sri lanka and uae.

So what has smith achieved in asia, where are his match winning performances?
Yes smith has more match winning performances in sena but thats his territory, its like comparing sachins match winning knocks in asia with ponting, there wont even be a competition.

Secondly, sachin tendulkar has a total of 2 match winning hundreds in SENA, so was he a king of soft runs?
Victory depends on team not just an individual.

Kohli is an out and out matchwinner in tests and so is Smith. Smith is better but kohli has made tough runs everywhere and its a joke to call him soft runs machine.
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Kohli has made runs everywhere, this I agree. Kohli as also played very knocks in SENA, I agree. But you can't compare like this. SENA teams and India are the 5 main teams with now even South Africa finding it hard to remain in the top teams. So these are basically the performances that count.

You can't say Smith scoring a hundred in England or South Africa is like Kohli scoring a hundred in SL.

The other point is that Smith had the series of his life in India or rank turners with 3 hundreds, and in response Kohli could manage just around 50 runs in the three tests he played. Even in India Smith has proved to be better than Kohli.
Let alone pace and swing, Kohli is yet to play a great innings on a turner. He failed against Swann back when England has a good team. He failed again when SA toured with a good team (Amla, ABDV in form) and failed miserably again against Steven Smith's Australia in India.

Even at home he has not convinced.

For me Kohli is better, at this point of time, Kohli is better than Root/Williamson but the gap between Smith and Kohli is way way bigger than the gap between Kohli and Root/Williamson.
 
saeed5646 said:
santer has scored his first hundred against england and i assume you are saying england attack is better than hazlewood .cummin,starc and lyon that too on bouncy wicket of brisbane .Right?

no the last few battle have also turned worse for indian fans like shaheen vs khaleel and babar vs rahul .so did that also work out for you guys?

no body in right state of mind will compare babar with smith in test .few people doesnot represnt whole pakistan
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Actually, I haven't seen anyone compare Babar with Smith in Test, let alone say he is at the same level or better...
They like make things up!
 
Babar is a very good player. He is at ease against pace and spin. He has a potential to be in the list of top 3 batsmen. We have to see how he handles pressure situations. Today, it was a lost cause and he didn't have any match pressure.
 
People are seriously comparing Babar with Labu LOL just because of his fifties (not even hundreds) in England.

Anyways, babar needs to score at least 10 hundreds to be in that category.
I'm hoping he'll be at 5 or 6 by the end of the Bangladesh tour
 
Mobashir said:
Kohli has made runs everywhere, this I agree. Kohli as also played very knocks in SENA, I agree. But you can't compare like this. SENA teams and India are the 5 main teams with now even South Africa finding it hard to remain in the top teams. So these are basically the performances that count.

You can't say Smith scoring a hundred in England or South Africa is like Kohli scoring a hundred in SL.

The other point is that Smith had the series of his life in India or rank turners with 3 hundreds, and in response Kohli could manage just around 50 runs in the three tests he played. Even in India Smith has proved to be better than Kohli.
Let alone pace and swing, Kohli is yet to play a great innings on a turner. He failed against Swann back when England has a good team. He failed again when SA toured with a good team (Amla, ABDV in form) and failed miserably again against Steven Smith's Australia in India.

Even at home he has not convinced.

For me Kohli is better, at this point of time, Kohli is better than Root/Williamson but the gap between Smith and Kohli is way way bigger than the gap between Kohli and Root/Williamson.
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Well, in a same way, Kohli has hundreds vs Steyn, Rabada and Philander on more difficult batting conditions of SA than what Smith got against the same team in SA and he outclassed Smith there.

Smith is a better test bat no doubt but I would argue Kohli is easily the second best test bat by quite a margin and the third,whoever it is, is a distant 3rd. Moreover, all formats considered, Kohli is the greatest batsmen of his generation and is right up there with the greatest batsmen of all-time. Smith is also right up there as the greatest test batsmen of all-time. This era is all about these two while Williamson and Root are a couple of levels below these two.
 
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Absolutely wrong timing. Babar CAN be a legend but it will take atleast 4 years from now of sustained world class performances. He has in him the firepower but needs to be focussed and disciplined.

Kohli in 2013 (same age as Babar now) was averaging 44 in 22 tests with 5 100s. It would have been laughable if anyone suggested he was in top 5 world batsmen back then. Babar is averaging merely 36 with just two 100s.

But there is hope. And let's revisit this thread in 2024.
 
Its funny how highly some posters rate Warner like he is the next coming of Hayden. As I said earlier he is tremendous at home but other than that averages less than 30 in every country except SA (Similar conidtions) along with UAE and BD where he has played just couple of tests.

I like Waner’s batting but he cant be said anything close to a great with his mediocre overseas record.
 
Sir Alex said:
Absolutely wrong timing. Babar CAN be a legend but it will take atleast 4 years from now of sustained world class performances. He has in him the firepower but needs to be focussed and disciplined.

Kohli in 2013 (same age as Babar now) was averaging 44 in 22 tests with 5 100s. It would have been laughable if anyone suggested he was in top 5 world batsmen back then. Babar is averaging merely 36 with just two 100s.

But there is hope. And let's revisit this thread in 2024.
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On that basis Babar has done much more than Kohli in both ODIs and T20s in terms of average and records at 25 and same number of matches but doesn’t necessarily means he will finish as high as Kohli just as his test record being a inferior to Kohli after 22 tests doesnt mean much.
 
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Babar has a long way to go in tests but 4-5 years as well to be of the same age and experience as others.
 
Relic said:
People are seriously comparing Babar with Labu LOL just because of his fifties (not even hundreds) in England.

Anyways, babar needs to score at least 10 hundreds to be in that category.
I'm hoping he'll be at 5 or 6 by the end of the Bangladesh tour
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The sky is the limit for Baber, I’ve always been a strong advocate for him on this site
His only issue is that his knocks will in losing situations especially when he’s away
 
Titan24 said:
On that basis Babar has done much more than Kohli in both ODIs and T20s in terms of average and records at 25 and same number of matches but doesn’t necessarily means he will finish as high as Kohli just as his test record being a inferior to Kohli after 22 tests doesnt mean much.
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My idea of Fab 4 is purely by test performances and not mixed.

Kohli was NOWHERE near being considered as Fab 4 in 2013 despite better test record was my point.

Read it again.
 
saeed5646 said:
oh well you jump to conversation with knowing the context .i was talking about brisbane ''pitch'' which ponting agree and compare it with sa and england pitches .

i have not interest if he praise any tom dick it is his choice
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But u have interest when he praises Babar aka Tom Dik etc . Irony died 1000 death already.
 
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