Can British/Western Pakistanis eventually make the same effect as Jews in Europe?

[Wave your flag]

There's the immigrant mentality to consider. Jews have been persecuted, so the result was that those who survived migrated. If you take the UK as an example, London's East End (around Whitechapel) had thousands of very, very poor Jews living in it in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Like many immigrants who arrive poor, they worked incredibly hard and lived very frugally, as did their children and grandchildren - in short, they behaved like immigrants often do, in many lands. The result is that as a group, they have become prosperous. However, there are still working class Jews in the UK as well.

It's still early days for Muslims - it took previous migrant waves up to 100 years to substantially increase family and community wealth.

Can the Pakistanis do the same eventually and be as successful? Will they eventually make the same impact?

Many do have that mentality - go to any large Asian populated-city like London, Leicester or Birmingham and if you look around with an objective view, you will see plenty of Muslims doing well financially.

 

[Asim_khan]

Well we first have to branch out from selling fidget spinners, owning kebab shops, fixing mobile phone screens and driving cabs.

But in all honesty it's gonna take a lot of work, I can't see it happening, as much as I'd like for it to happen.

 

[DW44]

Pakistani Americans are the only Pakistani immigrant community who can even think about replicating the success of the Jewish diaspora. Pakistani communities in Europe and especially the middle east don't have a snowball's chance in hell. The culture is not conducive, education is an afterthought and there doesn't seem to be much drive.

 

[PakLFC]

Pakistanis are mostly Muslim where as the UK is nominally Christian dominated by Zionists in politics and media. For that reason the west will always favour the Jews before the Muslim's of Pakistani ethnicity. Such is Jewish and Zionist power that even the holocaust can't be questioned in the west. British Pakistanis compared to their Canadian and American counterparts are not well educated so no we will be emulating the Jews in the UK anytime soon. Even in the USA and Canada the Pakistanis although more successful lack behind the Jews.

 

[Chrish]

^ victim mentality is strong in this one..

 

[marlonbrowndo]

They aren't smart enough. Posting Instagram selfies in weird clothes,listening to trash Modern rap and doing makeup tutorials is their level. The successful ones will become stand up comedians making fun of their own ethnicity while other expats laugh at their lame humour. Of course not talking about all but in general since I am also living in Canada for the next few years atleast

 

[Syed1]

They aren't smart enough. Posting Instagram selfies in weird clothes,listening to trash Modern rap and doing makeup tutorials is their level. The successful ones will become stand up comedians making fun of their own ethnicity while other expats laugh at their lame humour. Of course not talking about all but in general since I am also living in Canada for the next few years atleast

You forgot the Zaid Ali T types...

 

[Syed1]

We as a race are not smart enough or as they say in Urdu sha'atir enough to match the Jews.

 

[Black Zero]

Successful Jewis people are generally detached from judaism.
As muslim is not a race so one has to be ultra moderate muslim to have such detachment from religion.

First step is to straighten the mindset and religion just does the opposite so there is no such hope for muslims.

 

[Pakistanian]

We as a race are not smart enough or as they say in Urdu sha'atir enough to match the Jews.

No sane person in the west believes in scientific racism, what's holding Pakistanis back is self-haters such as yourself.

 

[Rayyman]

No sane person in the west believes in scientific racism, what's holding Pakistanis back is self-haters such as yourself.

Yes I do hate the wrist-slitters too.

Some desi people tell me that they don't have the genes to be in good physical shape. I'm like wth?!? And then they say that African genetics is better suited towards athleticism and East Asians have better diets, sure, they have a point, but eating and exercising habits can be changed. It's not like you have to follow your culture.

I'm sorry. A bit off topic, but I agree that a lot of Pakistanis need to realize is that they are capable of most things that other races are.

Their ignorance is just lazinesss in disguise.

 

[Chrish]

East Asians (Chinese/ Korean/ Japanese) have the highest IQ out of any group, and yet 99% of the modern science has come from Europe & Jews.

So it's difficult to establish direct correlation between race and intelligence; at least not in terms of IQ theories.

 

[Black Zero]

Yes I do hate the wrist-slitters too.

Some desi people tell me that they don't have the genes to be in good physical shape. I'm like wth?!? And then they say that African genetics is better suited towards athleticism and East Asians have better diets, sure, they have a point, but eating and exercising habits can be changed. It's not like you have to follow your culture.

I'm sorry. A bit off topic, but I agree that a lot of Pakistanis need to realize is that they are capable of most things that other races are.

Their ignorance is just lazinesss in disguise.

Our DNA mostly dictates what we are, there is very little in your hand.

But I agree we should enforce whatever little control we have on ourselves.

(One cannot become smarter, but still get top score just by working harder )

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Successful Jewis people are generally detached from judaism.
As muslim is not a race so one has to be ultra moderate muslim to have such detachment from religion.

First step is to straighten the mindset and religion just does the opposite so there is no such hope for muslims.

Same with Christianity in the west. It's there but more in the background and basically not really a part of day to day life for most people. I don't know if successful people themselves are religious or not in general, but Islam itself is based on success in the afterlife above this one. So you can imagine that would affect people's drive for success in this world if their main focus is the afterlife.

 

[Wave your flag]

Same with Christianity in the west. It's there but more in the background and basically not really a part of day to day life for most people. I don't know if successful people themselves are religious or not in general, but Islam itself is based on success in the afterlife above this one. So you can imagine that would affect people's drive for success in this world if their main focus is the afterlife.

Why not aim for both? Success in this life and the after life. Nothing against success in Islam.

 

[sshakir411]

They can't. One reason why MIT became the best school for Math and Science was because they did not adhere to having a Jewish professor quota like Harvard and Yale in the 1930s and 40s. It was a no name school and in a few years after flooding its faculty with Jewish professors it became the center for STEM education. Jews till today dominate academia like no other ethnicity in the world. Until Pakistanis excel in science and education they are never going to dominate anything.

 

[troodon]

We as a race are not smart enough or as they say in Urdu sha'atir enough to match the Jews.

Its all about priorities and attitude.

If all we do is keep worrying about where the next meal comes from, we will never innovate.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why not aim for both? Success in this life and the after life. Nothing against success in Islam.

Didn't they change the day off from Friday to Sunday in Pakistan to fit in with the work calendar in the rest of the world recently? Why do you think that happened? (assuming that information is true.)

 

[Syed1]

Its all about priorities and attitude.

If all we do is keep worrying about where the next meal comes from, we will never innovate.

It is societal pressure too, as soon as a young guy/girl graduate the family expects them to immediately participate in the household income. No opportunity to innovate if you are looking for 9-5 job from day one after graduation.

 

[troodon]

It is societal pressure too, as soon as a young guy/girl graduate the family expects them to immediately participate in the household income. No opportunity to innovate if you are looking for 9-5 job from day one after graduation.

You get the freedom to innovate if your parents are not there to dictate what you should do in your life. This comes with the close knit family values that we are so proud of.

There is a lot of risk in innovation. We may have to spend a ton of time and even money in trying to invent new stuff. So cannot do a proper earning job. Lack of earning means, marriage prospects will be off and with no dating scene in Subcontinent cultures, innovators life will look very very bland and unappealing. Its a vicious cycle.

 

[Syed1]

You get the freedom to innovate if your parents are not there to dictate what you should do in your life. This comes with the close knit family values that we are so proud of.

There is a lot of risk in innovation. We may have to spend a ton of time and even money in trying to invent new stuff. So cannot do a proper earning job. Lack of earning means, marriage prospects will be off and with no dating scene in Subcontinent cultures, innovators life will look very very bland and unappealing. Its a vicious cycle.

There is also the massive risk of failure. For every single start up that makes it, there are hundreds that crash and burn. So all in all our society structure and culture has tuned us to get done studying ASAP and get a decent, "stable" job post-haste.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It is societal pressure too, as soon as a young guy/girl graduate the family expects them to immediately participate in the household income. No opportunity to innovate if you are looking for 9-5 job from day one after graduation.

I'm pretty sure that's the same anywhere in the world except in the west you would be expected to stand on your own feet once you are done with education if not contribute to the home income. In other words move out or pay your way, unless you have wealthy parents who can afford to subsidise your innovations.

 

[troodon]

There is also the massive risk of failure. For every single start up that makes it, there are hundreds that crash and burn. So all in all our society structure and culture has tuned us to get done studying ASAP and get a decent, "stable" job post-haste.

There is a popular saying in India. "Indians make the best desk job workers." Study fast, get a job fast and start earning is the mantra.

 

[Chrish]

They can't. One reason why MIT became the best school for Math and Science was because they did not adhere to having a Jewish professor quota like Harvard and Yale in the 1930s and 40s. It was a no name school and in a few years after flooding its faculty with Jewish professors it became the center for STEM education. Jews till today dominate academia like no other ethnicity in the world. Until Pakistanis excel in science and education they are never going to dominate anything.

Indians by far dominate the acedemia in United States. However Jews lead the science/ technological inventions

 

[Romali_rotti]

The minute Pakistanis stop giving over importance to Islam and get rid of this; Allah will bail us out or divine intervention to bail us out mindset, they would be well on their way.....

 

[sshakir411]

Indians by far dominate the acedemia in United States. However Jews lead the science/ technological inventions

Yes, Indians are very prevalent now but the rise is recent. Jews have been around since the 30s.