Can Fakhar Zaman prove to be a successful White-Ball captain for Pakistan?

[FearlessRoar]

If Babar Azam steps down as white-ball captain, one name stands out to me as a potential successor: Fakhar Zaman. With over 160 international matches under his belt, Zaman is a seasoned player who has demonstrated adaptability, an aggressive mindset, and team spirit - qualities that make him an attractive candidate for the top job.

What impresses me most about Zaman is his ability to adapt to different formats and batting positions, showcasing his cricketing maturity. His crucial performances in the 2023 World Cup, batting lower down the order, demonstrate his willingness to put the team's needs first - a tactical acumen that could serve him well in captaincy decisions.

As a naturally aggressive batter, I believe Zaman's proactive approach could translate into bold captaincy, keeping the opposition on their toes. His big-match temperament, evident in several ICC events, suggests he can handle the pressure of leadership in high-stakes encounters.

Moreover, despite his aggressive persona, Zaman is a team player who has shown willingness to adjust his batting position for the team's benefit - a quality that could foster a strong team spirit and unity under his leadership.

While his recent form in the ICC T20 World Cup 2024 was a concern, I believe captaincy can sometimes elevate a player's game. With guidance and experience, Zaman can refine his leadership skills and become an even more effective captain.

 

[Rana]

It’s up to his agency. They can ask him to step back and let Rizwan do it.

That’s the kind of scumbags his career is being controlled by

 

[mominsaigol]

It’s up to his agency. They can ask him to step back and let Rizwan do it.

That’s the kind of scumbags his career is being controlled by

Probably the thing that infuriates me about rizwan the most.

In test he's not the worst batter, he bats at no 6, and keeps and is fine. Problem is odi and t20. In odi he's blocking saud shakeel who can become one of Pakistan's best no 4's in this era simply because he's a rare find who actually plays unorthodox and is super good against spin.

In t20 he's ruined fakhar beyond belief and the less confidence you give fakhar the more in danger you are of ruining him, since he's a confidence switched on type player.

I just don't get what misbah saw in Rizwan. I get that he hates sarfraz, but why was Rizwan so important that LITERALLY EVERYONE IN THE ENTIRE SQUAD, had to make way for him to develop and even then he's only developed into an okay bat in test, and okay to medicore bat in odi and one of the worst t20 openers of all time?

People making way for babar I understand. Don't get the whole rizwan mantra.

 

[Rana]

Probably the thing that infuriates me about rizwan the most.

In test he's not the worst batter, he bats at no 6, and keeps and is fine. Problem is odi and t20. In odi he's blocking saud shakeel who can become one of Pakistan's best no 4's in this era simply because he's a rare find who actually plays unorthodox and is super good against spin.

In t20 he's ruined fakhar beyond belief and the less confidence you give fakhar the more in danger you are of ruining him, since he's a confidence switched on type player.

I just don't get what misbah saw in Rizwan. I get that he hates sarfraz, but why was Rizwan so important that LITERALLY EVERYONE IN THE ENTIRE SQUAD, had to make way for him to develop and even then he's only developed into an okay bat in test, and okay to medicore bat in odi and one of the worst t20 openers of all time?

People making way for babar I understand. Don't get the whole rizwan mantra.

Ask that Misbah token with the 4 letter initials name who tries to make sense by over complicating every sentence he wrote

 

[mominsaigol]

Ask that Misbah token with the 4 letter initials name who tries to make sense by over complicating every sentence he wrote

Oh MMHS, for a while I was wondering if my comments were actually going through to him lol . I was wondering if their was some glitch that made me say something other then what I wrote because all his replies to me are so long, and completly irrelevant to what I'm writing.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Fakhar Zaman is a talented but non consistent batter for PCT. Appointing him a captain would be a gamble as he could become responsible then or may be just crumble under further pressure.

 

[Rana]

Fakhar Zaman is a talented but non consistent batter for PCT. Appointing him a captain would be a gamble as he could become responsible then or may be just crumble under further pressure.

Who would you make captain?

 

[Rana]

Oh MMHS, for a while I was wondering if my comments were actually going through to him lol . I was wondering if their was some glitch that made me say something other then what I wrote because all his replies to me are so long, and completly irrelevant to what I'm writing.

Apparently Pakistan can’t play modern cricket because our batsmen don’t have technique like Viv Richards…

The standard waffle you expect from this guy and people buy it

 

[RidiculousMan]

Can be. Can be not. Question is. Can PCB afford to play this gamble? Because if the results go sideways. The bashing they will get will be next level.

Pros
- Always plays for the win and is positive
- Has attacking mindset
- Experienced campaigner
- GOAT ODI Batter

Cons
- Inconsistent. Specially in T20 format
- A bit shy
- Doesn't have a great deal of experience as Captain even in domestic (This is the deal breaker part for me)

 

[mominsaigol]

Apparently Pakistan can’t play modern cricket because our batsmen don’t have technique like Viv Richards…

The standard waffle you expect from this guy and people buy it

I didn't read what he wrote. I already said no narratives.

For me it's simple, These are the choices Misbah made, explain why he made said choices?

That's it, plain and simple. No vib Richards this or gilchrist that. These are the choices, Why did he make them? That's all I ask.

 

[sweep_shot]

PCB should give it a try. Make Fakhar captain in ODI and T20.

You can't know until you try.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Who would you make captain?

I will make Naseem the captain, he will get a hell of a treatment initially but then would get super refined for the real deal. Also a long term captain that could steer Pak well ahead with not much dosti yaari affiliations.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

his performance is also a biggest conern for the team so how come this guy could be considered as a captain.

I wont even pick him in t20 side after his horrible performance.

 

[pakistani pride]

FZ is done, should retire and play some cheap T20 league cricket.
Leave the Pak team!

 

[Energy]

Saw him captaining LQ some seasons back. Was awful. And didn't even seem to enjoy it.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Apparently Pakistan can’t play modern cricket because our batsmen don’t have technique like Viv Richards…

The standard waffle you expect from this guy and people buy it

Aagey aagey dekho hota hay kya

 

[mominsaigol]

his performance is also a biggest conern for the team so how come this guy could be considered as a captain.

I wont even pick him in t20 side after his horrible performance.

Fakhar has never performed in t20.

Pcb is just an idiotic board. Either play fakhar as an opener or drop him from t20 and have him be an odi opening specialist.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Fakhar has never performed in t20.

Pcb is just an idiotic board. Either play fakhar as an opener or drop him from t20 and have him be an odi opening specialist.

his stats as an opener in T20I cricket is even worst so its better to keep him only for ODI cricket

 

[mominsaigol]

his stats as an opener in T20I cricket is even worst so its better to keep him only for ODI cricket

Different formats. YK was the same, Test ATG and probs will never be surpassed by any pakistani batter. Not for the next 50 years atleast. But in odi he's bang average.

Fakhar is the same tbh, although none of this will change the fact that misbah did fakhar dirty so that he could put A legside hack forward as opener.

 

[Shaheenthefalcon]

Who would you make captain?

Azam khan

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

He is 34, too old to be a captain now. Need to look to the future.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Azam khan

captain of what? bhangray da?

 

[Shaheenthefalcon]

captain of what? bhangray da?

Will they even acccept him?

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Will they even acccept him?

as IK said "absolutely not"

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Probably the thing that infuriates me about rizwan the most.

In test he's not the worst batter, he bats at no 6, and keeps and is fine. Problem is odi and t20. In odi he's blocking saud shakeel who can become one of Pakistan's best no 4's in this era simply because he's a rare find who actually plays unorthodox and is super good against spin.

In t20 he's ruined fakhar beyond belief and the less confidence you give fakhar the more in danger you are of ruining him, since he's a confidence switched on type player.

I just don't get what misbah saw in Rizwan. I get that he hates sarfraz, but why was Rizwan so important that LITERALLY EVERYONE IN THE ENTIRE SQUAD, had to make way for him to develop and even then he's only developed into an okay bat in test, and okay to medicore bat in odi and one of the worst t20 openers of all time?

People making way for babar I understand. Don't get the whole rizwan mantra.

What caused Misbah to hate Sarf though. 2014 to 2016 then went to no.1 together.

 

[kach]

Fakhar has been mismanaged. Being a cricketer in Pakistan is now a curse.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Fakhar is too sharif for this role. We need a gangster and unbiased captain. Which unfortunately we don't have I guess atm.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Fakhar is the best option we have for limited-overs. We need someone with a modern approach to the game, who actually practices what he preaches.

 

[Master Blaster]

Even as captain he'll be easily brain washed by the friendship gang.

 

[SamNJ]

He doesn't seem that smart. But his mindset is of proper modern day white ball batter.

 

[mominsaigol]

What caused Misbah to hate Sarf though. 2014 to 2016 then went to no.1 together.

I have no clue tbh. But misbah was always the type to prefer the friend clique. And everyone else was an outsider.

 

[aukhan]

Anyone but Babar.

I am so tired of watching this dheet kamzarf Babar lead the side for the last 4 years that I'd accept a blind donkey right now.

PCT needs a change right now.

 

[mominsaigol]

Fakhar is the best option we have for limited-overs. We need someone with a modern approach to the game, who actually practices what he preaches.

Fakhar was even worse then babar as captain in PSL for LQ.

Dude has no experience as a captain. You can't make your best players captain 24/7.

Best captains would be haris, Shan or Saud as these 3 gave experience but Muhammad haris is best choice mainly because he has experience leading an international A side to victory and he adopts modern approaches.

Saud is best choice for test.

 

[GillEdits]

If Babar Azam steps down as white-ball captain, one name stands out to me as a potential successor: Fakhar Zaman. With over 160 international matches under his belt, Zaman is a seasoned player who has demonstrated adaptability, an aggressive mindset, and team spirit - qualities that make him an attractive candidate for the top job.

What impresses me most about Zaman is his ability to adapt to different formats and batting positions, showcasing his cricketing maturity. His crucial performances in the 2023 World Cup, batting lower down the order, demonstrate his willingness to put the team's needs first - a tactical acumen that could serve him well in captaincy decisions.

As a naturally aggressive batter, I believe Zaman's proactive approach could translate into bold captaincy, keeping the opposition on their toes. His big-match temperament, evident in several ICC events, suggests he can handle the pressure of leadership in high-stakes encounters.

Moreover, despite his aggressive persona, Zaman is a team player who has shown willingness to adjust his batting position for the team's benefit - a quality that could foster a strong team spirit and unity under his leadership.

While his recent form in the ICC T20 World Cup 2024 was a concern, I believe captaincy can sometimes elevate a player's game. With guidance and experience, Zaman can refine his leadership skills and become an even more effective captain.

Nah, Rizwan should be the CAPTAIN.

 

[aukhan]

I have no clue tbh. But misbah was always the type to prefer the friend clique. And everyone else was an outsider.

During their last few years with the team, both Misbah and Waqar tried to hold Sarfraz back. He emerged as a breath of fresh air in 2014, but they resisted including him. His subsequent success was a significant blow to their egos. Azhar Ali wasn't even part of the ODI setup under Misbah and Waqar, yet both backed him for captaincy, which backfired within a few months. Sarfraz went on to win the Champions Trophy 2017, while Misbah and Waqar faced criticism for initially holding him back.

The downfall of Sarfraz and the PCT coincided with the return of these two figures. The 2019 SL 3-0 T20 loss was orchestrated by the masterminds to finally end his career.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Fakhar was even worse then babar as captain in PSL for LQ.

Dude has no experience as a captain. You can't make your best players captain 24/7.

Best captains would be haris, Shan or Saud as these 3 gave experience but Muhammad haris is best choice mainly because he has experience leading an international A side to victory and he adopts modern approaches.

Saud is best choice for test.

When your resources are as thin as Pakistan's are, you have to take a gamble. Fakhar's captaincy for LQ does not reflect his true ability because LQ were a garbage franchise at the time that had far bigger problems.

Of the names you mentioned, Haris isn't even in any of the teams and is too young, immature and inexperienced to be made captain. Not to mention, there will likely be a revolt in the team if he was made captain. This is Pakistan after all.

Saud seems like a smart kid but has not really established himself in any format besides Tests. And even there he had an absolute horror show of a tour in Australia, where he got exposed against short-pitched bowling. I would want both of these players to establish themselves for Pakistan first before they are given the burden of captaincy.

Shan Masood is an option. But he needs to be selected for the ODI team first.

 

[mominsaigol]

During their last few years with the team, both Misbah and Waqar tried to hold Sarfraz back. He emerged as a breath of fresh air in 2014, but they resisted including him. His subsequent success was a significant blow to their egos. Azhar Ali wasn't even part of the ODI setup under Misbah and Waqar, yet both backed him for captaincy, which backfired within a few months. Sarfraz went on to win the Champions Trophy 2017, while Misbah and Waqar faced criticism for initially holding him back.

The downfall of Sarfraz and the PCT coincided with the return of these two figures. The 2019 SL 3-0 T20 loss was orchestrated by the masterminds to finally end his career.

I'm aware, 2019 loss happened because Misbah changed the entire structure of the team randomly making out of the blue changes.

Imo it's just an ego thing. Sarfraz is a huge blow to the ego of misbah and his fans.

No wonder the die hard Misbah fans on this forumn despise sarfraz and try to make steven hawking level mathematics to justify Ct 2017 as an outlier.

 

[mominsaigol]

When your resources are as thin as Pakistan's are, you have to take a gamble. Fakhar's captaincy for LQ does not reflect his true ability because LQ were a garbage franchise at the time that had far bigger problems.

Of the names you mentioned, Haris isn't even in any of the teams and is too young, immature and inexperienced to be made captain. Not to mention, there will likely be a revolt in the team if he was made captain. This is Pakistan after all.

Saud seems like a smart kid but has not really established himself in any format besides Tests. And even there he had an absolute horror show of a tour in Australia, where he got exposed against short-pitched bowling. I would want both of these players to establish themselves for Pakistan first before they are given the burden of captaincy.

Shan Masood is an option. But he needs to be selected for the ODI team first.

I saw his captaincy, I am not talking about the team being garbage otherwise I would not be advocating for shan either.

Fakhar's captaincy was terrible. He was more clueless then babar when he captained.

Fakhar ain't a captain, he's the best opening batsmen Pakistan has had since Saeed Anwar who was ruined by Rizwan, Babar and Misbah in t20.

By this logic we should have made saeed anwar captain cause he was the best player but let's be honest, dude would have caused the side to lose to Zimbabwe irrespective of what resources he had.

 

[aukhan]

I'm aware, 2019 loss happened because Misbah changed the entire structure of the team randomly making out of the blue changes.

Imo it's just an ego thing. Sarfraz is a huge blow to the ego of misbah and his fans.

No wonder the die hard Misbah fans on this forumn despise sarfraz and try to make steven hawking level mathematics to justify Ct 2017 as an outlier.

CT 2017 will always be downplayed by this fan group. Misbah killed our limited overs cricket during his 4 year tenure, His tenure was almost similar to Babar getting unlimited backing from the cricket board, mistreating and ending many young careers to maintain power.

Sarfraz will always be remembered for supporting youngsters and initiating the revival of our limited overs cricket after Misbah and Waqar. This accomplishment is what frustrates them the most. Sarfraz revived the team and won CT with a No. 8 ranked side.

 

[mominsaigol]

CT 2017 will always be downplayed by this fan group. Misbah killed our limited overs cricket during his 4 year tenure, His tenure was almost similar to Babar getting unlimited backing from the cricket board, mistreating and ending many young careers to maintain power.

Sarfraz will always be remembered for supporting youngsters and initiating the revival of our limited overs cricket after Misbah and Waqar. This accomplishment is what frustrates them the most. Sarfraz revived the team and won CT with a No. 8 ranked side.

It's not just 2017. Pakistan was always a mid card team, but a mid card team means that

A) It's capable of winning tournaments.
B) It's always gonna beat lower ranked teams
C) It will usually lose to top class teams but will manage to cause an upset here and their.

2017-2019 was exactly that, Pakistan in 2018 t20 would decimate B rank sides. Many of these b rank sides like Australia that Pakistan whitewashed had a mix of a string players like finch, Maxwell, Stones and other b string players.

Similarly upsets would happen as well such as England and NZ victories in cups. The only outlier was losing to West Indies but that's okay. 1 outlier in 2 years usually happens.

However under Babar and Misbah, Pakistan can't even beat C to D rank teams consistently. They lost to Zimbabwe miserably on 2020, since babar's return they lost to a completly put of touch C rank NZ and drew the series, Lost once to Ireland, Got humilated by USA etc etc.

The teams Pakistan were beating in 2017-2019 were always A rank or B rank. Yes the team was still a mid card but in a series against A top side like England or Australia Pakistan can expect to win 1 or 2 games in a 5 match series.

Now if they play a series, England is mauling Pakistan 100 - 0, no matter how many games they schedule. That's how bad the situation is that Misbah and Babar have left us In.

 

[aukhan]

It's not just 2017. Pakistan was always a mid card team, but a mid card team means that

A) It's capable of winning tournaments.
B) It's always gonna beat lower ranked teams
C) It will usually lose to top class teams but will manage to cause an upset here and their.

2017-2019 was exactly that, Pakistan in 2018 t20 would decimate B rank sides. Many of these b rank sides like Australia that Pakistan whitewashed had a mix of a string players like finch, Maxwell, Stones and other b string players.

Similarly upsets would happen as well such as England and NZ victories in cups. The only outlier was losing to West Indies but that's okay. 1 outlier in 2 years usually happens.

However under Babar and Misbah, Pakistan can't even beat C to D rank teams consistently. They lost to Zimbabwe miserably on 2020, since babar's return they lost to a completly put of touch C rank NZ and drew the series, Lost once to Ireland, Got humilated by USA etc etc.

The teams Pakistan were beating in 2017-2019 were always A rank or B rank. Yes the team was still a mid card but in a series against A top side like England or Australia Pakistan can expect to win 1 or 2 games in a 5 match series.

Now if they play a series, England is mauling Pakistan 100 - 0, no matter how many games they schedule. That's how bad the situation is that Misbah and Babar have left us In.

This is why I want a change. Ideally, it should be someone who is not part of the 'saya corp' or 'roti group.' The mindset won't change until we appoint someone who is entirely different from these individuals. I'm starting to consider Naseem Shah as our T20 captain. The next World Cup is 2 years away, so it's worth a chance. Fakhar is too old and too soft but i will have him over Babar right now.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I saw his captaincy, I am not talking about the team being garbage otherwise I would not be advocating for shan either.

Fakhar's captaincy was terrible. He was more clueless then babar when he captained.

Fakhar ain't a captain, he's the best opening batsmen Pakistan has had since Saeed Anwar who was ruined by Rizwan, Babar and Misbah in t20.

By this logic we should have made saeed anwar captain cause he was the best player but let's be honest, dude would have caused the side to lose to Zimbabwe irrespective of what resources he had.

That was 7 years ago. I am sure Fakhar has matured a lot since then. At this point you could do a whole lot worse than Fakhar.

 

[mominsaigol]

That was 7 years ago. I am sure Fakhar has matured a lot since then. At this point you could do a whole lot worse than Fakhar.

Theirs always gonna be someone worse out their, so that's not really an argument

As for 7 years ago, time period doesn't really matter.

Captaincy isn't really about maturity, that mostly applies to how one conducts themselves with others, and yes while a captain obviously needs to have maturity in the sense that they can't be lunatics or 3 year old cry babies, Fakhar was always shariff and a mature person. Infact he was always the most shariff and mature person in the dugout, no fights or shouting or any of that.

Captaincy involves understanding the game and adjusting accordingly. It's why aussie captains are so great, they determine a batters strength and weakness and set the field accordingly as well as the fact their able to coordinate the bowlers on how to bowl according to field setting.

The Australia vs England game is the best example of that where Marsh played the perfect defence.

Sarfraz was another example, when he got Captaincy to lead against West Indies, he decided to open the bowling with imad mainly because WI batters at that time were out of form and didn't use their feet much, aka lack of front foot and backfoot or advancing, Hence inad was a perfect weapon due to his straight darters, as you need to have good back foot play and advancing abilities to neutralise imad, WI didn't so imad worked.

That's the type of captain you need, Fakhar is gonna be another babar except even more scared and timid. They both do the exact same thing, with the exception of Canada, India and Ireland where it took babar 4 years to finally bowl according to the field and even then he didn't do it correctly( Chacha at slip lol), Babar just places random field settings that don't even make sense such as having a 3rd slip but no first to 2nd slip at times, or bringing long off into inner ring cause he thinks USA will run 4? And he also bowls randomly, such as having Hasan ali bowl to Australia in 2021 when hasan was out of it or having Amir bowl instead of naseem when usa clearly struggled with naseem and not anyone else.

Fakhar will be the same, he'll make random decisions, whether he's mature or immature isn't relevant to his overall Captaincy IQ and understanding of the game.

 

[mominsaigol]

This is why I want a change. Ideally, it should be someone who is not part of the 'saya corp' or 'roti group.' The mindset won't change until we appoint someone who is entirely different from these individuals. I'm starting to consider Naseem Shah as our T20 captain. The next World Cup is 2 years away, so it's worth a chance. Fakhar is too old and too soft but i will have him over Babar right now.

Neither fakhar or Naseem will make good captains. They'll be terrible, They'll only solve the issue of nepotism and dosti clique.

You need someone experienced, Muhammad haris and saud shakeel are the best choice, since both have captained sides to victory, haris in an international setting especially.

But obviously wahab riaz and this roti group have issues

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Theirs always gonna be someone worse out their, so that's not really an argument

As for 7 years ago, time period doesn't really matter.

Captaincy isn't really about maturity, that mostly applies to how one conducts themselves with others, and yes while a captain obviously needs to have maturity in the sense that they can't be lunatics or 3 year old cry babies, Fakhar was always shariff and a mature person. Infact he was always the most shariff and mature person in the dugout, no fights or shouting or any of that.

Captaincy involves understanding the game and adjusting accordingly. It's why aussie captains are so great, they determine a batters strength and weakness and set the field accordingly as well as the fact their able to coordinate the bowlers on how to bowl according to field setting.

The Australia vs England game is the best example of that where Marsh played the perfect defence.

Sarfraz was another example, when he got Captaincy to lead against West Indies, he decided to open the bowling with imad mainly because WI batters at that time were out of form and didn't use their feet much, aka lack of front foot and backfoot or advancing, Hence inad was a perfect weapon due to his straight darters, as you need to have good back foot play and advancing abilities to neutralise imad, WI didn't so imad worked.

That's the type of captain you need, Fakhar is gonna be another babar except even more scared and timid. They both do the exact same thing, with the exception of Canada, India and Ireland where it took babar 4 years to finally bowl according to the field and even then he didn't do it correctly( Chacha at slip lol), Babar just places random field settings that don't even make sense such as having a 3rd slip but no first to 2nd slip at times, or bringing long off into inner ring cause he thinks USA will run 4? And he also bowls randomly, such as having Hasan ali bowl to Australia in 2021 when hasan was out of it or having Amir bowl instead of naseem when usa clearly struggled with naseem and not anyone else.

Fakhar will be the same, he'll make random decisions, whether he's mature or immature isn't relevant to his overall Captaincy IQ and understanding of the game.

Captaincy absolutely is about maturity. The best captains are calm and cool individuals who are given that responsibility precisely because they are mature enough to handle it. Lack of maturity exposes you in pressure situations because immature captains like Sarfraz become just as emotional as the players they are leading. Everything from your body language to how engaged you are with your bowlers and fielders makes a difference. A good captain should be a cut above the rest. He should be a strong personality...a figure that exudes calmness and can inspire the team even when things are going badly.

 

[Mamoon]

An irresponsible guy who lives off fluke performances once in a blue moon does not deserve to be captain.

Fakhar should have been kicked out for good by now but he has survived because of the dearth of talent in Pakistan.

 

[Rana]

Irresponsibility: “Batting for your team in order to match world cricket standards”

This is the mindset you have to change as a nation. Not find guys with techniques like Viv Richards to build upon and make the 180+ strike rate player

 

[MenInG]

Hint.

If you want to respond to a post, answer the argument only with your views.

 

[MenInG]

An irresponsible guy who lives off fluke performances once in a blue moon does not deserve to be captain.

Fakhar should have been kicked out for good by now but he has survived because of the dearth of talent in Pakistan.

Think you answered your own post.

 

[Rana]

The reluctance to even think about anyone besides Babar and Rizwan as white ball leaders is shocking!

You people deserve the rut we are in right now!

 

[Hyder]

Probably the thing that infuriates me about rizwan the most.

In test he's not the worst batter, he bats at no 6, and keeps and is fine. Problem is odi and t20. In odi he's blocking saud shakeel who can become one of Pakistan's best no 4's in this era simply because he's a rare find who actually plays unorthodox and is super good against spin.

In t20 he's ruined fakhar beyond belief and the less confidence you give fakhar the more in danger you are of ruining him, since he's a confidence switched on type player.

I just don't get what misbah saw in Rizwan. I get that he hates sarfraz, but why was Rizwan so important that LITERALLY EVERYONE IN THE ENTIRE SQUAD, had to make way for him to develop and even then he's only developed into an okay bat in test, and okay to medicore bat in odi and one of the worst t20 openers of all time?

People making way for babar I understand. Don't get the whole rizwan mantra.

We all see how fakhar batted this wc. Thats not how a seasoned batsman play.

Fakhar is odi great for pakistan but he is below par in t20s. And they tried to save his career by giving him no 4 because opening was clearly not working for him. And the real thing is no one is still pointing fingers at fakhar after this wc. He is more of a culprit than azam even. Rizwan and Fakhar gave india way. And imad ended it with his batting.

We dont have any realistic option to captain.
Let babar be the captain and make wholesome changes around him. Ask him to bat at 3.
Drop these psl superstars.

Sorry but even shan did better than fakhar did this wc and you want to reward him captaincy?

 

[Hyder]

Irresponsibility: “Batting for your team in order to match world cricket standards”

This is the mindset you have to change as a nation. Not find guys with techniques like Viv Richards to build upon and make the 180+ strike rate player

What world standard did he match this wc??

We needed run a ball when he tried to hit one in the air coming down the track. He scored less than 30 runs. And if thats world standard than we dont want it

 

[Hyder]

He doesnt merit a place in t20 team. No 4 should go to agha or someone with better t20 game. Just because fakhar can hit six doesnt mean he ll play good in t20. He is a poor loi player.

And dont bring the argument of him playing down the order because thats the thing that kept him in team or else he was failing as opener badly.

 

[pakistani pride]

Think you answered your own post.

How so?
Who and when has Babar actually tested? Babar never wanted to give new or younger guys the chance. Thi hight of this is his stupidity in selecting Shadab non stop. He did not even give 1 single game to Abrar. The game vs Ireland after a zillion of embarrassments was a good moment to have Abrar get some game time. How do you think this impacts a youngster who is just there for sight seeing and some shopping?

 

[Mamoon]

Irresponsibility: “Batting for your team in order to match world cricket standards”

This is the mindset you have to change as a nation. Not find guys with techniques like Viv Richards to build upon and make the 180+ strike rate player

Not everything is about the SR. Please try to understand that.

One track mind fans look everything from the lens of SR. Playing responsibly or irresponsibly simply means playing according to or not according to the situation.

For example, Labuschagne’s 58 in 110 balls in the World Cup final was one of the most responsible and impactful half-centuries ever, because he did exactly what the situation demanded and exactly what Australia needed at the time to win the match.

Fakhar’s 8 ball cameo vs India came at a SR of 162 and it had the one track mind fans gushing over his intent and aggression but it was an irresponsible innings under the circumstances that triggered Pakistan’s defeat.

The funny part is that Fakhar’s SR as an opener in T20Is is marginally better than Babar and Rizwan’s and he scores way less runs, but since he gets out playing attacking strokes and skies one to the clouds, people are content because at least he is showing aggression and is playing selflessly.

Fakhar has not played according to the situation 90% of the time. Therefore, he categorizes as an irresponsible player and therefore, such a player cannot be trusted as a captain.

 

[pakistani pride]

Not everything is about the SR. Please try to understand that.

One track mind fans look everything from the lens of SR. Playing responsibly or irresponsibly simply means playing according to or not according to the situation.

For example, Labuschagne’s 58 in 110 balls in the World Cup final was one of the most responsible and impactful half-centuries ever, because he did exactly what the situation demanded and exactly what Australia needed at the time to win the match.

Fakhar’s 8 ball cameo vs India came at a SR of 162 and it had the one track mind fans gushing over his intent and aggression but it was an irresponsible innings under the circumstances that triggered Pakistan’s defeat.

The funny part is that Fakhar’s SR as an opener in T20Is is marginally better than Babar and Rizwan’s and he scores way less runs, but since he gets out playing attacking strokes and skies one to the clouds, people are content because at least he is showing aggression and is playing selflessly.

Fakhar has not played according to the situation 90% of the time. Therefore, he categorizes as an irresponsible player and therefore, such a player cannot be trusted as a captain.

FZ is done and it should be over for him, but he was the only Pak opener be it ODI or T20 who was capable to dominate.
For Pak beating Aus in any kind of final is a massive achievement, given our pathetic record vs Aus.

in below final FZ went at 200 SR in such a game all other openers including the fake paper king would fail always.

AUS vs PAK Cricket Scorecard, Final at Harare, July 08, 2018

Live Cricket Scoreboard: Get Australia vs Pakistan Final, cricket scorecard, ZIM T20 Tri Series 2018 dated July 08, 2018.

www.espncricinfo.com

 

[mominsaigol]

We all see how fakhar batted this wc. Thats not how a seasoned batsman play.

Fakhar is odi great for pakistan but he is below par in t20s. And they tried to save his career by giving him no 4 because opening was clearly not working for him. And the real thing is no one is still pointing fingers at fakhar after this wc. He is more of a culprit than azam even. Rizwan and Fakhar gave india way. And imad ended it with his batting.

We dont have any realistic option to captain.
Let babar be the captain and make wholesome changes around him. Ask him to bat at 3.
Drop these psl superstars.

Sorry but even shan did better than fakhar did this wc and you want to reward him captaincy?

Right and babar played like a cheetah?

Babar is a garbage captain, and idk why you're responding to my post as if I disagreed?

Did you even read my post and read my 2 suggestions?

 

[mominsaigol]

Captaincy absolutely is about maturity. The best captains are calm and cool individuals who are given that responsibility precisely because they are mature enough to handle it. Lack of maturity exposes you in pressure situations because immature captains like Sarfraz become just as emotional as the players they are leading. Everything from your body language to how engaged you are with your bowlers and fielders makes a difference. A good captain should be a cut above the rest. He should be a strong personality...a figure that exudes calmness and can inspire the team even when things are going badly.

Well sarfraz led to a wc victory that calm and cool Misbah never could. YK did the same.

Again just watch England vs Australia as a comparison of how Marsh captained.

Don't look at other boards. Pakistan players are immature by nature. You need a bigger fish to keep everyone in check plain and simple.

IK era is gone, Someone like fakhar a shariff boy will be eaten into pieces by these lunatics.

Sarfraz's shouting is what kept hasan Ali in check in that era.

 

[BouncerGuy]

How so?
Who and when has Babar actually tested? Babar never wanted to give new or younger guys the chance. Thi hight of this is his stupidity in selecting Shadab non stop. He did not even give 1 single game to Abrar. The game vs Ireland after a zillion of embarrassments was a good moment to have Abrar get some game time. How do you think this impacts a youngster who is just there for sight seeing and some shopping?

This thread is not about Babar and his wrong decisions, Shadab etc.

Look at the topic of the thread, it is about fakhar as the potential candidate for a captain.

What do you think about it??

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Well sarfraz led to a wc victory that calm and cool Misbah never could. YK did the same.

Again just watch England vs Australia as a comparison of how Marsh captained.

Don't look at other boards. Pakistan players are immature by nature. You need a bigger fish to keep everyone in check plain and simple.

IK era is gone, Someone like fakhar a shariff boy will be eaten into pieces by these lunatics.

Sarfraz's shouting is what kept hasan Ali in check in that era.

A CT victory, not a WC victory. And I don't think its that simple. Misbah was captaining a far worse ODI team. His success as a leader is evident in what he achieved as test captain. Tactically, Sarfraz was probably not that bad. But his antics and on-field behavior were unbecoming of a captain. It also led to one of the most embarrassing moments for Pakistan cricket in recent memory, where he was caught on the stump mic while making a racist remark at Andile Phehlukwayo, and then had to apologize. Sarfraz brought the gully mohalla to international cricket and made the PCT look like a gully mohalla cricket team, which was awful for us from an image POV. I personally think that a captain should grill his players and call a spade a spade. But doing so on the field, where literally everyone can hear you sends a really bad message.

Remind me again, what exactly has Marsh done that has made him a supposedly great captain? Right now, he hasn't achieved anything. If anything, his form with the bat has gone downhill.

I don't know about that. Hasan Ali had an awesome purple patch but his form has been on a downward trajectory for 4-5 years now.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Well sarfraz led to a wc victory that calm and cool Misbah never could. YK did the same.

Again just watch England vs Australia as a comparison of how Marsh captained.

Don't look at other boards. Pakistan players are immature by nature. You need a bigger fish to keep everyone in check plain and simple.

IK era is gone, Someone like fakhar a shariff boy will be eaten into pieces by these lunatics.

Sarfraz's shouting is what kept hasan Ali in check in that era.

There is nothing about Fakhar that suggests that he is going to be a great captain. But what I do know about him is that he understands the value of discipline and has a good work ethic, which probably goes back to his military training. He thinks about the game very differently than some of our other senior players, who have simply failed to evolve with the times. Unlike them, his mind is also unshackled. And personally, I want someone in that role who is mentally tough enough to handle pressure and understands the modern requirements of the game. For close to a year now, Pakistan have been spouting this nonsense that they are going to go out there and play attacking cricket. The only player that has actually gone out and done that is Fakhar.

 

[mominsaigol]

A CT victory, not a WC victory. And I don't think its that simple. Misbah was captaining a far worse ODI team. His success as a leader is evident in what he achieved as test captain. Tactically, Sarfraz was probably not that bad. But his antics and on-field behavior were unbecoming of a captain. It also led to one of the most embarrassing moments for Pakistan cricket in recent memory, where he was caught on the stump mic while making a racist remark at Andile Phehlukwayo, and then had to apologize. Sarfraz brought the gully mohalla to international cricket and made the PCT look like a gully mohalla cricket team, which was awful for us from an image POV. I personally think that a captain should grill his players and call a spade a spade. But doing so on the field, where literally everyone can hear you sends a really bad message.

Remind me again, what exactly has Marsh done that has made him a supposedly great captain? Right now, he hasn't achieved anything. If anything, his form with the bat has gone downhill.

I don't know about that. Hasan Ali had an awesome purple patch but his form has been on a downward trajectory for 4-5 years now.

It doesn't matter what misbah was captaining.

2014 Australian test and odi series showed that Sarfraz was a million times better then both akmal, Shehzad and nasir jamshed in fielding and batting. Sarfraz was the highest scorer I'm both avg, runs and sr in the 2014 series.

It was understood he should open plain and simple, However next series against Sri Lanka he got pushed to no 7, but still performed and then he got dropped. After that he got sidelined for 6 games despite jamshed failing 100x over and UA being crap in terms of keeping and batting as well.

On what basis was sarfi sidelined for 6 games? This is just one example of misbah nonsense and predjuice.

Misbah is not the cool and calm captain that people kn this forumn have made it out to be. This is the same guy who has had outbursts when reporters questioned why his batting is crap and why he shouldn't move up the order or why during his coaching stint he changed the entire unit and caused a whitewash.

His response was " KYA MEIN CHOKEI NAHI MARTA" and " I AM NOT ASKING RIGHT HAND BATTERS TO BAT LEFT, DONT QUESTION MY COACHING".

This misbah love needs to stop, no one forced him to take a crap team, jamshed and shehzad never warranted a place over sharjeel and Sarfraz at the time.

Pakistan would not have won 2015 wc regardless as Australia 2015 is an atg team, but at the very least misbah would have avoided the humiliation that sarfraz gave him 2 games straight.

 

[mominsaigol]

A CT victory, not a WC victory. And I don't think its that simple. Misbah was captaining a far worse ODI team. His success as a leader is evident in what he achieved as test captain. Tactically, Sarfraz was probably not that bad. But his antics and on-field behavior were unbecoming of a captain. It also led to one of the most embarrassing moments for Pakistan cricket in recent memory, where he was caught on the stump mic while making a racist remark at Andile Phehlukwayo, and then had to apologize. Sarfraz brought the gully mohalla to international cricket and made the PCT look like a gully mohalla cricket team, which was awful for us from an image POV. I personally think that a captain should grill his players and call a spade a spade. But doing so on the field, where literally everyone can hear you sends a really bad message.

Remind me again, what exactly has Marsh done that has made him a supposedly great captain? Right now, he hasn't achieved anything. If anything, his form with the bat has gone downhill.

I don't know about that. Hasan Ali had an awesome purple patch but his form has been on a downward trajectory for 4-5 years now.

Marsh so far has won all his games. We aren't talking about form, By this logic Shan shouldn't even be in consideration.

Marsh has been equally as good as pat Cummings as a captain. Now whether he wins this tournament or not, we'll see. Tournaments have alot of luck elements and other factors such as form, pitch, conditions etc,

But so far captaincy wise he's been equally good. He just doesn't have trophies atm like Cummings does.

 

[Rana]

He doesnt merit a place in t20 team. No 4 should go to agha or someone with better t20 game. Just because fakhar can hit six doesnt mean he ll play good in t20. He is a poor loi player.

And dont bring the argument of him playing down the order because thats the thing that kept him in team or else he was failing as opener badly.

Name your top 7.

Abhi dood ka dood, pani ka pani ho jaye ga.

 

[mominsaigol]

There is nothing about Fakhar that suggests that he is going to be a great captain. But what I do know about him is that he understands the value of discipline and has a good work ethic, which probably goes back to his military training. He thinks about the game very differently than some of our other senior players, who have simply failed to evolve with the times. Unlike them, his mind is also unshackled. And personally, I want someone in that role who is mentally tough enough to handle pressure and understands the modern requirements of the game. For close to a year now, Pakistan have been spouting this nonsense that they are going to go out there and play attacking cricket. The only player that has actually gone out and done that is Fakhar.

Disciplining yourself and others is a different ball game. As a captain you're responsible for multiple things, Leading a side, calming then down, getting into the oppositions head by analysing their weaknesses and setting a field set according to weaknesses, For example alot of captains would typically set a field for Afridi on the inner ring, Mainly because afridi was crap at playing short balls, hence even though the inner ring seems backwards for afridi, It usually worked as he would top edge or sky it in the air.

Fakhar has no understanding of this, nor can he calm the ego's of players.

Fakhar is my favourite batsmen too, I've advocated him consistently, but him being my favourite batsmen cause he's aggressive and he can play saeed anwar esc innings when kn song is not the basis for me to Say, Look he's my favourite so let's make him captain.

And no saying im sure falhar has matured since then is not an argument, it's a fallacy of belief, it isn't substantiated by any metric or any proof.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Marsh so far has won all his games. We aren't talking about form, By this logic Shan shouldn't even be in consideration.

Marsh has been equally as good as pat Cummings as a captain. Now whether he wins this tournament or not, we'll see. Tournaments have alot of luck elements and other factors such as form, pitch, conditions etc,

But so far captaincy wise he's been equally good. He just doesn't have trophies atm like Cummings does.

Captaincy isn't just about winning matches. If that were the case, Ponting would be considered as the greatest captain in history. He was a very good captain, but I would say that Stephen Fleming and Michael Vaughan were far better captains during that era. Marsh has captained what 4 T20 matches? That's not enough to judge anyone.

I also feel like there is no comparison between Cummins and Marsh. Cummins essentially engineered Australia's World Cup victory with his tactical smarts on a pitch where his side was supposed to have no chance. This is a guy who assessed the conditions of that used pitch perfectly and bowled off-cutters and short balls into the pitch. Not only was his opening spell in that match absolutely immaculate but he ensured that his bowlers understood what to do as well. I am also fairly certain that Mitchell Marsh is leaning on Cummins to guide him right now. How Marsh does as captain is yet to be seen. He has not had the job for enough of time nor done anything of note thus far.

 

[mominsaigol]

Captaincy isn't just about winning matches. If that were the case, Ponting would be considered as the greatest captain in history. He was a very good captain, but I would say that Stephen Fleming and Michael Vaughan were far better captains during that era.

I also feel like there is no comparison between Cummins and Marsh. Cummins essentially engineered Australia's World Cup victory with his tactical smarts on a pitch where his side was supposed to have no chance. This is a guy who assessed the conditions of that used pitch perfectly and bowled off-cutters and short balls into the pitch. Not only was his opening spell in that match absolutely immaculate but he ensured that his bowlers understood what to do as well. I am also fairly certain that Mitchell Marsh is leaning on Cummins to guide him right now. How Marsh does as captain is yet to be seen. He has not had the job for enough of time nor done anything of note thus far.

The whole point is Australian captains play as a unit.

It doesn't matter who's captain in this dugout. Clarke was groomed and engineered by pointing, Rn Marsh is getting Cummings help which is why he is good.

You can't expect that from pakistani players who are ego heads.

No one likes Mitchell stark, He isn't a likeable guy and doesn't gell well with the team as a person, but he gells well as a cricketer cause Cummings and Marsh don't put personal hate into the mix and Stark is mature enough to do his job plain and simple.

That's not the case with pakistani players with this wahab + Haris drama or this roti gang babar vs Abrar to protect shadab drama.

In Pakistan you need a captain and probabaly a coach who gets ego's in check, Fakhar ain't keeping anyone in check, neither is Naseem.

Sarfraz before Misbah showed up could for people like hasan Ali and mickey was able to mostly keep the seniors in check such as hafeez as mickey is the one who discarded hafeez at opening and no 3 for Babar at no 3.

Younis was so mentally insane, that no one, not even afridi without oathgate would dare to defy him, as YK is the type of guy to threaten people with knives. This the guy who called misbah a bottler and told him to take off his pads in the final.

Calm and cool won't work in odi or t20.

Also side note: Don't wanna derail the argument but imo, Pointing is superior to the other 2, People downplay him cause he inherited a side rather then building it and by 2011 is fell apart due to aged cricketers but it doesn't really change the fact that 2015 is was His and Clarke's team and 2015 is also an atg unit with prime stark and prime Smith tearing everyone a new one.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Disciplining yourself and others is a different ball game. As a captain you're responsible for multiple things, Leading a side, calming then down, getting into the oppositions head by analysing their weaknesses and setting a field set according to weaknesses, For example alot of captains would typically set a field for Afridi on the inner ring, Mainly because afridi was crap at playing short balls, hence even though the inner ring seems backwards for afridi, It usually worked as he would top edge or sky it in the air.

Fakhar has no understanding of this, nor can he calm the ego's of players.

Fakhar is my favourite batsmen too, I've advocated him consistently, but him being my favourite batsmen cause he's aggressive and he can play saeed anwar esc innings when kn song is not the basis for me to Say, Look he's my favourite so let's make him captain.

And no saying im sure falhar has matured since then is not an argument, it's a fallacy of belief, it isn't substantiated by any metric or any proof.

I don't think you or I can say that. We don't know how Fakhar will respond to the added responsibility. Some players rise to the occasion, while others do not.

There is less basis for you to say that Haris or Saud Shakeel should be captain, then there is for someone like Fakhar. You simply cannot make a young player captain in Pakistan unless he is a really great player whose position in the side is never in doubt. And even then it will likely go very wrong because of the bruised egos of senior players.

 

[mominsaigol]

I don't think you or I can say that. We don't know how Fakhar will respond to the added responsibility. Some players rise to the occasion, while others do not.

There is less basis for you to say that Haris or Saud Shakeel should be captain, then there is for someone like Fakhar. You simply cannot make a young player captain in Pakistan unless he is a really great player whose position in the side is never in doubt. And even then it will likely go very wrong because of the bruised egos of senior players.

How? My basis is Haris captained an acc asia cup side to victory in an international setting and his captaincy was praised left and right for aggressive approach as well as shuffling and him also shoving nepotism like hasebullah into the abyss for the team.

And my basis for fakhar is he's crap as a captain 7 years ago and hasn't had any experience since? While saud is a regular captain in domestic?

How is that less basis?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

The whole point is Australian captains play as a unit.

It doesn't matter who's captain in this dugout. Clarke was groomed and engineered by pointing, Rn Marsh is getting Cummings help which is why he is good.

You can't expect that from pakistani players who are ego heads.

No one likes Mitchell stark, He isn't a likeable guy and doesn't gell well with the team as a person, but he gells well as a cricketer cause Cummings and Marsh don't put personal hate into the mix and Stark is mature enough to do his job plain and simple.

That's not the case with pakistani players with this wahab + Haris drama or this roti gang babar vs Abrar to protect shadab drama.

In Pakistan you need a captain and probabaly a coach who gets ego's in check, Fakhar ain't keeping anyone in check, neither is Naseem.

Sarfraz before Misbah showed up could for people like hasan Ali and mickey was able to mostly keep the seniors in check such as hafeez as mickey is the one who discarded hafeez at opening and no 3 for Babar at no 3.

Younis was so mentally insane, that no one, not even afridi without oathgate would dare to defy him, as YK is the type of guy to threaten people with knives. This the guy who called misbah a bottler and told him to take off his pads in the final.

Calm and cool won't work in odi or t20.

Also side note: Don't wanna derail the argument but imo, Pointing is superior to the other 2, People downplay him cause he inherited a side rather then building it and by 2011 is fell apart due to aged cricketers but it doesn't really change the fact that 2015 is was His and Clarke's team and 2015 is also an atg unit with prime stark and prime Smith tearing everyone a new one.

If you go by this, you will never find anyone for the role. Because there are no short-term solutions for Pakistan's problems. Pakistan does not have Australia's system where future captains are identified from domestic cricket and subsequently groomed for the future. You have to take a gamble with someone.

There is too much above that I disagree with. But to start off, Sarfraz and Younis Khan are not anyone's idea of a great captain. If you want to talk about great limited-overs captains, you should be looking at guys like Dhoni, Brendon McCullum, Eoin Morgan. Look at the impact they had in changing the culture, mindset and style of playing for their teams. All highly calm and cool individuals btw.

I don't think you have seen enough of Ponting, Fleming or Vaughan to judge how great they or not great they were as captains. Ponting had the benefit of captaining one of the greatest teams this game has ever seen. He was a good captain but I was say he was more akin to Kohli. Aggressive and bankable but by no means a great captain. Fleming on the other hand was a tactical genius. Very rarely do you see a captain who makes an impact on the match with just his field placements and the way he uses his bowlers, but Fleming was that. He took an average/mediocre NZ side made up of bits and pieces players and made them a professional and finely tuned unit that was competitive with every team. Fleming has quite a few notable successes that get swept under the rug. Successes like beating the mighty Australians 3-1 in 2001/02 the VB Tri-Series where he had separate fields for every Australian batter and used his biggest weapon Shane Bond to perfection. There's also the a rain-dominated drawn test series against the same invincible Aussie side, where they very nearly made history in the last test. Vaughan captained England to arguably the greatest test series victory of all-time in 2005. And that win had everything to do with Vaughan's captaincy and the various match-changing decisions he took throughout the series. At their peak, the England side under Vaughan were ranked No.2 in the world. Its not always about winning matches or even trophies as captain. Sometimes its about getting the more out of less and that is exactly what guys like Fleming and Vaughan personified.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

How? My basis is Haris captained an acc asia cup side to victory in an international setting and his captaincy was praised left and right for aggressive approach as well as shuffling and him also shoving nepotism like hasebullah into the abyss for the team.

And my basis for fakhar is he's crap as a captain 7 years ago and hasn't had any experience since? While saud is a regular captain in domestic?

How is that less basis?

Captaining within your age group and captaining the men's senior team are two very different things. I have experience captaining my office cricket team too. Doesn't mean I should be Pakistan captain.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

It doesn't matter what misbah was captaining.

2014 Australian test and odi series showed that Sarfraz was a million times better then both akmal, Shehzad and nasir jamshed in fielding and batting. Sarfraz was the highest scorer I'm both avg, runs and sr in the 2014 series.

It was understood he should open plain and simple, However next series against Sri Lanka he got pushed to no 7, but still performed and then he got dropped. After that he got sidelined for 6 games despite jamshed failing 100x over and UA being crap in terms of keeping and batting as well.

On what basis was sarfi sidelined for 6 games? This is just one example of misbah nonsense and predjuice.

Misbah is not the cool and calm captain that people kn this forumn have made it out to be. This is the same guy who has had outbursts when reporters questioned why his batting is crap and why he shouldn't move up the order or why during his coaching stint he changed the entire unit and caused a whitewash.

His response was " KYA MEIN CHOKEI NAHI MARTA" and " I AM NOT ASKING RIGHT HAND BATTERS TO BAT LEFT, DONT QUESTION MY COACHING".

This misbah love needs to stop, no one forced him to take a crap team, jamshed and shehzad never warranted a place over sharjeel and Sarfraz at the time.

Pakistan would not have won 2015 wc regardless as Australia 2015 is an atg team, but at the very least misbah would have avoided the humiliation that sarfraz gave him 2 games straight.

You seem fixated on specific things that matter very little in the grander scheme of things. Random outburts on TV have nothing to do with how he captained on the field. Sarfraz's exclusion from the side was not just Misbah's decision but also Waqar's decision. At the end of the day though, it does not matter because they got Sarfraz in the side for the most crunch games and he was in the side in the QF, that Pakistan lost. Also, its Sarfraz, not Bradman.

 

[mominsaigol]

You seem fixated on specific things that matter very little in the grander scheme of things. Random outburts on TV have nothing to do with how he captained on the field. Sarfraz's exclusion from the side was not just Misbah's decision but also Waqar's decision. At the end of the day though, it does not matter because they got Sarfraz in the side for the most crunch games and he was in the side in the QF, that Pakistan lost. Also, its Sarfraz, not Bradman.

Sarfraz wasn't replacing gilchrist or Warner, He was in contention with Jamshed, and 2015 Umar Akmal.

Sarfi warranted it plain and simple. I can give you atleast 10 more examples. I fixated on this one as an example only.

Put the Misbah glasses aside. He was a crap WB captain. Their is no narrative defence for it.

 

[mominsaigol]

Captaining within your age group and captaining the men's senior team are two very different things. I have experience captaining my office cricket team too. Doesn't mean I should be Pakistan captain.

Remove Babar, Rizwan and anyone else in the roti group such as shadab, chacha etc, and then Age won't matter irrespective of whether he's 22 or not.

Also you having experience captaining an office cricket team is not the same as captaining a team composed of players who were much older then haris such as tayyab Tahir, Shabzada farhan etc.

I wouldn't exactly call Tayyab and Haris as age mates. Assuming neither of em have age fudged.

But tayyab is as old as rizwan, and haris had no issues making him his ace and tayyab had no issue following.

It's just the roti group, Remove them and appoint haris and Key word GIVE HIM FULL CONTROL, and then you'll improve.

 

[Thephenom]

He constantly fails to make any runs despite being a so called power hitter, all we need is for him to fail as a captain aswell

 

[Cricket Warrior]

He constantly fails to make any runs despite being a so called power hitter, all we need is for him to fail as a captain aswell

He is the biggest fluke in the history of Pakistan cricket no wonder why he didnt captain any side in any local tournament.

 

[mominsaigol]

He is the biggest fluke in the history of Pakistan cricket no wonder why he didnt captain any side in any local tournament.

How is fakhar zaman a fluke? You Don't fluke 3 monster centuries in 2023 in odi, or fluke a 200 or ct 2017 exploits.

The term you're looking for is inconsistent.

Fluke is Pakistan making it into 2022 finals on the backs of Rain in SA vs Zimbabwe and Nedtherlands beating SA.

And an outlier is what Imam did with his 150 in that England game or Misbah hitting the fastest test century, when most of their innings are slow as molasses.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Shan and Saud are the two guys with ample leadership experience that can seriously be considered for the role of LOI captains.

The problem with Saud is, he hasn't even debuted in t20is yet and hasn't nailed down his spot in ODIs either.
Shan's problem is whenever he plays international cricket, he bats like a club cricketer. If only he could perform as a batter, he would be a very easy appointment to make.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Sarfraz wasn't replacing gilchrist or Warner, He was in contention with Jamshed, and 2015 Umar Akmal.

Sarfi warranted it plain and simple. I can give you atleast 10 more examples. I fixated on this one as an example only.

Put the Misbah glasses aside. He was a crap WB captain. Their is no narrative defence for it.

Okay sure, he was. But the idea that Sarfraz was a great captain is not exactly true either. If he was so great, he wouldn't have been sacked. Sarfraz the test captain on the other hand, was one of the worst red-ball captains in recent memory. A guy who destroyed a 7 year record of Pakistan not losing a test series in UAE in his first series as captain. There was also the humiliation New Zealand feted out to us in 2018 and a truly epic choke by Pak in a match that was their for the taking. Not to mention, the failure to win a test series against one of the worst Australian sides to ever tour Asia.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

He is the biggest fluke in the history of Pakistan cricket no wonder why he didnt captain any side in any local tournament.

Yeah. The century against India in the CT final was a fluke. The century against New Zealand in a do or die WC match was a fluke. The 193 vs South Africa was a fluke. The 180 against New Zealand at Pindi was a fluke. The double hundred against Zimbabwe was a fluke.

Why don't you name one Pakistani player who has fluked his way to these kinds of scores?