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Can Pakistan beat Australia in the 2nd Test at Adelaide and square the series?

Can Pakistan beat Australia in the 2nd Test at Adelaide and square the series?


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Mickey Arthur feels that Pakistan could surprise Australia in Adelaide and indeed some encouraging signs for Pakistan despite an innings loss in 1st Test.

So who will win the 2nd and final Test?
 
Bhai its 13-0 now Pakistan can never win a test in Australia ever again I feel the scars are too deep for it to ever happen.
 
After this performance, it doesn't look like likely that Pakistan will win
 
The only way pakistan can win in Australia if Australia side forget the way to the stadium
 
Wow one person voted for Pak to win lol

13 test matches lost on the trott.

Aussies to win the next game by 9 wickets
 
It depends upon whether they embrace the Adelaide Pink Ball formula:

1. Score runs extremely fast because you have to declare at Dinner and 260 is a winning total anyway.

2. No short bowling at all: just full medium pace aimed at the top of off-stump.

3. All-rounders are the key because if you face the new ball straight after Dinner your top order will be wiped out.

Ideally they would send for Mohammad Amir, Shadab Khan and Faheem Ashraf as emergency reinforcements, because apart from Mohammad Abbas and Babar Azam they are the three other Pakistanis most suited to Adelaide Day/Night Pink Ball conditions.
 
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If the GOAT Umar Akmal and Sir Shahzad make a comeback then I don't see how Australia can win the next match.
An innings defeat would be guaranteed
 
If the GOAT Umar Akmal and Sir Shahzad make a comeback then I don't see how Australia can win the next match.
An innings defeat would be guaranteed

Weirdly, they would both be useful at Adelaide.

You have to declare at Dinner in order to bowl the new Pink Ball as the light fades - that’s how you dismiss Smith and Warner.

You need batsmen who score quickly: better to declare at 260-8 after 52 overs rather than 160-3.
 
And I'm going to be the next pirate king :yk

Highly unlikely. If we make Aussies bat twice it should be considered a moral victory :misbah
 
If they select the following squad. Every player should be in his 20s (exception: if height is >6'5" or name is Salman Butt) because that is the ripe age and it automatically makes them better than anyone else. Every bowler should be taller than 6'5'' because that's the right height and it automatically makes them better than anyone else. Also, stack the team with all rounders.

Ahmad Shahzad
Salman Butt (C)
Umar Akmal
Saud Shakeel
Sahibzada Farhan
Mohammad Rizwan (WK)
Shadab Khan
Faheem Ashraf
Mohammad Amir
Mohammad Irfan
Ehsan Adil
 
Weirdly, they would both be useful at Adelaide.

You have to declare at Dinner in order to bowl the new Pink Ball as the light fades - that’s how you dismiss Smith and Warner.

You need batsmen who score quickly: better to declare at 260-8 after 52 overs rather than 160-3.

I don't know how many times you were proved wrong about your "hypothesis", I understand that you are based in Australia but the actual Aussies differ from you in almost every opinion of yours.

Your analysis of "heighted bowlers" , "racism against Bearded men"... err some of the gems were honestly.... mind boggling.
 
Miracle if Pakistan draw a test in Australia. When was the last time we drew a test in Oz?
 
Pakistan to conceed 250 runs lead and after 150/5 in 2 nd innings, Babar and Rizwan to do VVS and Dravid and with 300+ partnership, set Aus a target of 240, Aus under pressure crumble to 190 all out.
 
With Azhar, Misbah, and Waqar combo we can expect ourselves to lose to Bangladesh let alone beat Australia in Australia.
 
1. Imam ul-Haq
2. Shan Masood
3. Azhar Ali*
4. Babar Azam
5. Asad Shafiq
6. Imam ul-Haq
7. Mohammad Rizwan+
8. Yasir Shah
9. Shaheen Shah Afridi
10. Mohammad Musa
11. Naseem Shah

This is the XI I would play. Imam replaces Haris. Iftikhar does not deserve to play, but Abid Ali got a duck in the warm-up match. At least Iftikhar scored in the T20s. Imran Khan should be dropped. He should be replaced by Musa unless Abbas is fully fit.

Pakistan can win.
 
With Azhar, Misbah, and Waqar combo we can expect ourselves to lose to Bangladesh let alone beat Australia in Australia.

Bangaldesh have their own problems and I'm sure their problems are lot worse than what we're facing
 
Well we'll have a much better chance in the pink ball test. Abbas needs to come into the side, he can really do well with the pink ball.
 
If they select the following squad. Every player should be in his 20s (exception: if height is >6'5" or name is Salman Butt) because that is the ripe age and it automatically makes them better than anyone else. Every bowler should be taller than 6'5'' because that's the right height and it automatically makes them better than anyone else. Also, stack the team with all rounders.

Ahmad Shahzad
Salman Butt (C)
Umar Akmal
Saud Shakeel
Sahibzada Farhan
Mohammad Rizwan (WK)
Shadab Khan
Faheem Ashraf
Mohammad Amir
Mohammad Irfan
Ehsan Adil

Classic [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION], taking people for a ride.
 
I said yes. Done with wallowing let’s move on to the next one
 
Not unless ICC pass a special law between now and the next test that grants Pakistani batsmen two lives in each innings and Australian pace bowlers are only allowed a maximum of 10 overs in a test innings, then I reckon Pakistan has a decent chance.
 
Not unless ICC pass a special law between now and the next test that grants Pakistani batsmen two lives in each innings and Australian pace bowlers are only allowed a maximum of 10 overs in a test innings, then I reckon Pakistan has a decent chance.

1) Pakistan slip fielders allowed to wear wicket keeper gloves
2) Australian not allowed to take any catches in the slips
 
If Babar Azam makes 100+ and Rizwan another 50, some on pakpassion would consider it a win rofl. This is the level now. They don't care Pakistan wins or loses just few players are able to stay in the team and Sarfaraz remains out of it lol.
 
Having watched Pakistan cricket since 1999, there are two things I have yet to taste as a supporter:

1. Beating India in an ODI World Cup contest
2. Win a test in Australia

I'm in my late 20s, but I have a horrible feeling I'll never witness either of the above in my lifetime.
 
It depends upon whether they embrace the Adelaide Pink Ball formula:

1. Score runs extremely fast because you have to declare at Dinner and 260 is a winning total anyway.

2. No short bowling at all: just full medium pace aimed at the top of off-stump.

3. All-rounders are the key because if you face the new ball straight after Dinner your top order will be wiped out.

Ideally they would send for Mohammad Amir, Shadab Khan and Faheem Ashraf as emergency reinforcements, because apart from Mohammad Abbas and Babar Azam they are the three other Pakistanis most suited to Adelaide Day/Night Pink Ball conditions.

I mean, when are you going to stop this?
That has never happened, that will never happen ever in test cricket. No team is going to win the toss in a day night test match and think about playing just 60 overs and then declare.
 
Having watched Pakistan cricket since 1999, there are two things I have yet to taste as a supporter:

1. Beating India in an ODI World Cup contest
2. Win a test in Australia

I'm in my late 20s, but I have a horrible feeling I'll never witness either of the above in my lifetime.

Well we haven’t also won a test in South Africa in over 12 years and counting.. Pakistan has a poor record in Southern Hemisphere countries with the exception of NZ
 
YES!
I knew pakistan would lose at the gabba because of the bouncey track associated with the gabba.

But i strongly believe pakistan.will beat australia at adelaide in the pink ball night test.

If our kryptonite is bounce, then aussie kryptonite is swing.
Warner and smith are hopeless against any slight bit of movement.
Abass and naseem will tear this aussie side apart.
Shafiq, babar with the aid of rizwan, imam, azhar, haris and yasir will score 450+ on such a track, aussies will struggle to score even 300.

Mark my words - Pakistan will win, the only thing that can deny them is rain.
 
YES!
I knew pakistan would lose at the gabba because of the bouncey track associated with the gabba.

But i strongly believe pakistan.will beat australia at adelaide in the pink ball night test.

If our kryptonite is bounce, then aussie kryptonite is swing.
Warner and smith are hopeless against any slight bit of movement.
Abass and naseem will tear this aussie side apart.
Shafiq, babar with the aid of rizwan, imam, azhar, haris and yasir will score 450+ on such a track, aussies will struggle to score even 300.

Mark my words - Pakistan will win, the only thing that can deny them is rain.
Rizwan will score his maiden century in this test - mark my words!
 
Having watched Pakistan cricket since 1999, there are two things I have yet to taste as a supporter:

1. Beating India in an ODI World Cup contest
2. Win a test in Australia

I'm in my late 20s, but I have a horrible feeling I'll never witness either of the above in my lifetime.

Both will happen eventually. 1 looks easier than 2 due to 1 days of play rather than 5 days of play, but you never know.

In Aus, I think trying to draw a test should be the goal because Pakistani bowling has been all over in Aus in recent times. To win, 20 wickets are needed and it seems hard due to bolwing not being good.

Pink ball does provide oppurtunity, but bowlers still have to bowl well. Drawing a test is much easier in Aus. Pakistan just need to bat long and team did bat long few times in previous tour.
 
1. Imam ul-Haq
2. Shan Masood
3. Azhar Ali*
4. Babar Azam
5. Asad Shafiq
6. Imam ul-Haq
7. Mohammad Rizwan+
8. Yasir Shah
9. Shaheen Shah Afridi
10. Mohammad Musa
11. Naseem Shah

This is the XI I would play. Imam replaces Haris. Iftikhar does not deserve to play, but Abid Ali got a duck in the warm-up match. At least Iftikhar scored in the T20s. Imran Khan should be dropped. He should be replaced by Musa unless Abbas is fully fit.

Pakistan can win.

You like Imam too much. You have him in two positions.
 
Yes they can they just need psychologist. They had best chance in 1st test conditions were perfect and they had all the start to set 500 + runs on the board but somehow they managed to threw their wickets away
 
YES!
I knew pakistan would lose at the gabba because of the bouncey track associated with the gabba.

But i strongly believe pakistan.will beat australia at adelaide in the pink ball night test.

If our kryptonite is bounce, then aussie kryptonite is swing.
Warner and smith are hopeless against any slight bit of movement.
Abass and naseem will tear this aussie side apart.
Shafiq, babar with the aid of rizwan, imam, azhar, haris and yasir will score 450+ on such a track, aussies will struggle to score even 300.

Mark my words - Pakistan will win, the only thing that can deny them is rain.

I'm feeling exactly the same.
Maybe we are just baigharat :)

Bring it on. ( Need to win the toss though)
 
I back them for win! We got bowlers, if ball swings then we can puncture through Aussies line-up!
 
Weirdly, they would both be useful at Adelaide.

You have to declare at Dinner in order to bowl the new Pink Ball as the light fades - that’s how you dismiss Smith and Warner.

You need batsmen who score quickly: better to declare at 260-8 after 52 overs rather than 160-3.

Nonsense.

You win the toss, bat first and hit a huge total of 400 plus.

Then you dismiss the opposition.

Bat a bit again, give a target.

Dismiss the opposition again.

That's the way its been going for ages, and it won't change because of your redundant opinion.
 
Pakistan can win this.

Just think back to 2010 v Australia in England and we lost heavily in the first test. Everyone thought business as usual then we surprised them in headingly. Now I know we had asif and amir who were new as a bowling pair but they also had ponting, hussey and Clark.

The Pakistan team has the ability to surprise even hardened supporters who don’t give them a chance. If any ground in Australia suits us it’s Adelaide. We just have to learn to exploit conditions.
 
Whilst bowlers might favour conditons more favourable, i just cant see our batting putting up decent scores to allow us to cause any sort of uspet.
 
there are a few things I can predict easily now:

1. Pakistan is not winning this match. No chance.
2. Azhar to get out in single digit scores in both innings again.
3. Abbas is going to play. A half injured Abbas > Imran Khan
4. Misbah will basically play to the gallery again and select Imam. Imam to bat one down.
 
Nonsense.

You win the toss, bat first and hit a huge total of 400 plus.

Then you dismiss the opposition.

Bat a bit again, give a target.

Dismiss the opposition again.

That's the way its been going for ages, and it won't change because of your redundant opinion.

It's not nonsense but then again this is what I expect from a Misbah fan.

If you've bothered to watching any of the D/N tests, you'll realise it is 10x easier to wickets with a pink ball under lights on an Australian wicket.
 
It's not nonsense but then again this is what I expect from a Misbah fan.

If you've bothered to watching any of the D/N tests, you'll realise it is 10x easier to wickets with a pink ball under lights on an Australian wicket.

Its nonsense.

NO captain will declare in 60 overs at 240-3.
 
It's not nonsense but then again this is what I expect from a Misbah fan.

If you've bothered to watching any of the D/N tests, you'll realise it is 10x easier to wickets with a pink ball under lights on an Australian wicket.

It is a far-fetched theory that will be never be applied in practice. There is no guarantee that declaring at dinner and bowling to the opposition under lights would trigger a collapse.

No captain will have the cojones to declare after 50 overs. If it works he will look like a genius; if it doesn’t work, he will look an overconfident idiot who shot himself in the foot.

Scoreboard pressure is a timeless method of winning Test matches. You put 400 on the board and 8/10 times you ensure that you don’t lose, irrespective of the color of the ball.

If you get funky and turn the D/N Test into an ODI by looking to declare after scoring 250 in 50 overs, it will backfire more often than not.

No captain will try this tactic and for good reason. The risk is humongous.
 
Let me put it this way - India will whitewash Pakistan in every country in the world with most of the matches ending in 3 days.

However, if Kohli tries this tactic of declaring at 250 in 50 overs in D/N Tests, his team would probably lose a few Tests to a Pakistan side led by Misbah and Azhar.
 
It is a far-fetched theory that will be never be applied in practice. There is no guarantee that declaring at dinner and bowling to the opposition under lights would trigger a collapse.

No captain will have the cojones to declare after 50 overs. If it works he will look like a genius; if it doesn’t work, he will look an overconfident idiot who shot himself in the foot.

Scoreboard pressure is a timeless method of winning Test matches. You put 400 on the board and 8/10 times you ensure that you don’t lose, irrespective of the color of the ball.

If you get funky and turn the D/N Test into an ODI by looking to declare after scoring 250 in 50 overs, it will backfire more often than not.

No captain will try this tactic and for good reason. The risk is humongous.

I agree that declaring after 50 overs is far fetched but the fundamentals of Junaids' is correct. I do think if you can score briskly you shouldn't exactly bat the whole day because you would be wasting an invaluable opportunity to bowl under the lights with a brand new pink ball and subsequently reduce the opposition to perhaps 50/5 (say after 15 overs).

Also, If we cast our minds back to Pakistan's 1st innings during their previous D/N test in Australia, do you recall the colossal task their batsman had in those conditions?
 
First thing first not many win at the Gabba - This Pakistan bowling attack is so young and all of them are on their first tour of Australia compare to that of Australians attack who are very experienced plus smith and Warner who have played so much more cricket than most Pakistan batters.

This series was always about giving these guys some experience specially the bowling attack. And progress of Babar from last tour which he has already proved.
 
I agree that declaring after 50 overs is far fetched but the fundamentals of Junaids' is correct. I do think if you can score briskly you shouldn't exactly bat the whole day because you would be wasting an invaluable opportunity to bowl under the lights with a brand new pink ball and subsequently reduce the opposition to perhaps 50/5 (say after 15 overs).

Also, If we cast our minds back to Pakistan's 1st innings during their previous D/N test in Australia, do you recall the colossal task their batsman had in those conditions?

There is no doubt that the first half of the post-dinner session is the toughest time to bat in a D/N Test, but you cannot bet on it by settling for a below-par total. If your strategy is only going to work if the opposition lineup collapses in a heap, then it is not a valid strategy.

9/10 times, you will not be reducing the other team to 50/5 no matter how strong your bowling is and how weak their batting is. Besides, Pakistan has a weak bowling attack and its best chance of winning the Test is by batting first and putting a formidable total on the board, which is what we failed to do in Brisbane.

This theory of declaring on day 1 after 50 overs can work for a team like Australia against Pakistan, but what would work even better? Australia declaring after 50 overs on day 2 after putting a formidable total after 140 overs.

It won’t be easier to bat in the twilight on day 2, but in this case, you will have 450 runs on the board instead of 250. If you reduce the opposition to 100/4 in the post-dinner session after scoring 450, you have pretty much won the game.

However, if you reduce them to 100/4 after declaring on 250 on day 1, the game is still in the balance because one partnership in the first session on day 2 can negate your first innings score.

Unless you have the bowling attack than can consistently knock 5 down in the post-dinner session every game - which no team can - this strategy will backfire more often than not.

Junaids’ theories are fascinating but the problem is that they are not backed by evidence. In fact, most of the evidence disproves his theories that are based on assumptions. For example, the first Test disproved his theory that you have to pick a spinner for his batting in Australia.

Yasir scored 68 runs over two innings at an average of 34, but it meant nothing when he conceded 205 runs at an economy of 4.20. Someone like Shadab wouldn’t average a lot more than 34 against this attack, but he would also concede runs at a near-ODI rate because of his poor control. In Australia, the most important quality of a spinner is his economy rate and not the runs that he will score.

Much like his spinner theory, his D/N Test theory is also not backed by evidence. I can confidently state that any team that utilizes this strategy will find itself on the losing side more often than not.

In fact, the fundamentals of his theory are disproved by the D/N Test results so far:

- Australia beat New Zealand in the first ever D/N Test after New Zealand batted first and were dismissed for 200 odd runs after 65 overs.

- Pakistan beat West Indies by scoring 580/3 in the first innings.

- Australia beat South Africa after Faf declared on 250/9 after 76 overs.

- Australia beat Pakistan by scoring 429 in the first innings.

- England inflicted an innings defeat on West Indies by scoring 514 in the first innings.

- Sri Lanka beat Pakistan by scoring 482 runs in the first innings.

- Australia beat England by scoring 442 runs in the first innings.

- Sri Lanka beat West Indies after West Indies were dismissed for 204 in 69 overs in the first innings.

- Australia beat Sri Lanka after Sri Lanka were dismissed for 144 in 56 overs in the first innings.


These are all the D/N Tests so far except the following three: South Africa vs Zimbabwe, New Zealand vs England and India vs Bangladesh. I ignored them because of the humongous gap between South Africa and Zimbabwe, and the fact that England and Bangladesh were dismissed for 54 and 106 in their first innings respectively.

12 D/N Tests so far, and there is not a shred of evidence that a team that declares at a below par total on day 1 will end up winning the match. In fact, we have noticed the following - every single team has lost the match after getting all out on day 1 for a below par total, and every single team has won after posting a big total in the first innings.

The only time a captain declared on day 1 was Faf against Australia, but his team were 9 down and he lost the game comfortably. Hence, Junaids’ fundamentals are woefully off the mark.

The fundamentals of winning both red ball and pink ball Tests are identical - win the toss, get a big total in the first innings and put the opposition to bat in the last session of day 2 and take quick wickets by capitalizing on scoreboard pressure.
 
I will be happy if we put up some fight and make the match interesting. Our team is absolutely rattled and there is no combination whatsoever I don't see any chance of winning this match bare a miracle.
 
Our bowlers don't seem to be taking wickets and that's out biggest problem. I believe batting will improve.
 
There is no doubt that the first half of the post-dinner session is the toughest time to bat in a D/N Test, but you cannot bet on it by settling for a below-par total. If your strategy is only going to work if the opposition lineup collapses in a heap, then it is not a valid strategy.

9/10 times, you will not be reducing the other team to 50/5 no matter how strong your bowling is and how weak their batting is. Besides, Pakistan has a weak bowling attack and its best chance of winning the Test is by batting first and putting a formidable total on the board, which is what we failed to do in Brisbane.

This theory of declaring on day 1 after 50 overs can work for a team like Australia against Pakistan, but what would work even better? Australia declaring after 50 overs on day 2 after putting a formidable total after 140 overs.

It won’t be easier to bat in the twilight on day 2, but in this case, you will have 450 runs on the board instead of 250. If you reduce the opposition to 100/4 in the post-dinner session after scoring 450, you have pretty much won the game.

However, if you reduce them to 100/4 after declaring on 250 on day 1, the game is still in the balance because one partnership in the first session on day 2 can negate your first innings score.

Unless you have the bowling attack than can consistently knock 5 down in the post-dinner session every game - which no team can - this strategy will backfire more often than not.

Junaids’ theories are fascinating but the problem is that they are not backed by evidence. In fact, most of the evidence disproves his theories that are based on assumptions. For example, the first Test disproved his theory that you have to pick a spinner for his batting in Australia.

Yasir scored 68 runs over two innings at an average of 34, but it meant nothing when he conceded 205 runs at an economy of 4.20. Someone like Shadab wouldn’t average a lot more than 34 against this attack, but he would also concede runs at a near-ODI rate because of his poor control. In Australia, the most important quality of a spinner is his economy rate and not the runs that he will score.

Much like his spinner theory, his D/N Test theory is also not backed by evidence. I can confidently state that any team that utilizes this strategy will find itself on the losing side more often than not.

In fact, the fundamentals of his theory are disproved by the D/N Test results so far:

- Australia beat New Zealand in the first ever D/N Test after New Zealand batted first and were dismissed for 200 odd runs after 65 overs.

- Pakistan beat West Indies by scoring 580/3 in the first innings.

- Australia beat South Africa after Faf declared on 250/9 after 76 overs.

- Australia beat Pakistan by scoring 429 in the first innings.

- England inflicted an innings defeat on West Indies by scoring 514 in the first innings.

- Sri Lanka beat Pakistan by scoring 482 runs in the first innings.

- Australia beat England by scoring 442 runs in the first innings.

- Sri Lanka beat West Indies after West Indies were dismissed for 204 in 69 overs in the first innings.

- Australia beat Sri Lanka after Sri Lanka were dismissed for 144 in 56 overs in the first innings.


These are all the D/N Tests so far except the following three: South Africa vs Zimbabwe, New Zealand vs England and India vs Bangladesh. I ignored them because of the humongous gap between South Africa and Zimbabwe, and the fact that England and Bangladesh were dismissed for 54 and 106 in their first innings respectively.

12 D/N Tests so far, and there is not a shred of evidence that a team that declares at a below par total on day 1 will end up winning the match. In fact, we have noticed the following - every single team has lost the match after getting all out on day 1 for a below par total, and every single team has won after posting a big total in the first innings.

The only time a captain declared on day 1 was Faf against Australia, but his team were 9 down and he lost the game comfortably. Hence, Junaids’ fundamentals are woefully off the mark.

The fundamentals of winning both red ball and pink ball Tests are identical - win the toss, get a big total in the first innings and put the opposition to bat in the last session of day 2 and take quick wickets by capitalizing on scoreboard pressure.

Good response and well written here. Not much to argue with here and I agree with all your points, so I have no issue in retracting from my original view on this matter.

I'll also add, Junaids does deserve credit for predicting that Rizwan will be leading run scorer for this series. Obviously it's early days but he has a good chance of getting that right unless Babar can score 150+ runs and/or Rizwan has a stinker in the D/N test.
 
Both will happen eventually. 1 looks easier than 2 due to 1 days of play rather than 5 days of play, but you never know.

In Aus, I think trying to draw a test should be the goal because Pakistani bowling has been all over in Aus in recent times. To win, 20 wickets are needed and it seems hard due to bolwing not being good.

Pink ball does provide oppurtunity, but bowlers still have to bowl well. Drawing a test is much easier in Aus. Pakistan just need to bat long and team did bat long few times in previous tour.

I'd like to think so, but Pakistan cricket has got worse with time (since I commenced watching), so I hold no hope unfortunately.

Having said that one could argue law of averages will favour Pakistan eventually.
 
Heavy rain is predicted on Friday, Sunday (might be a washout) and Monday.
Tuesday is too far our currently to predict accurately.

This is pointing to an easy Aus victory or a draw.
The chance of Pakistan winning is extremely slim now unless they bowl Aus out for 150 odd in the first innings.
 
There is no doubt that the first half of the post-dinner session is the toughest time to bat in a D/N Test, but you cannot bet on it by settling for a below-par total. If your strategy is only going to work if the opposition lineup collapses in a heap, then it is not a valid strategy.

9/10 times, you will not be reducing the other team to 50/5 no matter how strong your bowling is and how weak their batting is. Besides, Pakistan has a weak bowling attack and its best chance of winning the Test is by batting first and putting a formidable total on the board, which is what we failed to do in Brisbane.

This theory of declaring on day 1 after 50 overs can work for a team like Australia against Pakistan, but what would work even better? Australia declaring after 50 overs on day 2 after putting a formidable total after 140 overs.

It won’t be easier to bat in the twilight on day 2, but in this case, you will have 450 runs on the board instead of 250. If you reduce the opposition to 100/4 in the post-dinner session after scoring 450, you have pretty much won the game.

However, if you reduce them to 100/4 after declaring on 250 on day 1, the game is still in the balance because one partnership in the first session on day 2 can negate your first innings score.

Unless you have the bowling attack than can consistently knock 5 down in the post-dinner session every game - which no team can - this strategy will backfire more often than not.

Junaids’ theories are fascinating but the problem is that they are not backed by evidence. In fact, most of the evidence disproves his theories that are based on assumptions. For example, the first Test disproved his theory that you have to pick a spinner for his batting in Australia.

Yasir scored 68 runs over two innings at an average of 34, but it meant nothing when he conceded 205 runs at an economy of 4.20. Someone like Shadab wouldn’t average a lot more than 34 against this attack, but he would also concede runs at a near-ODI rate because of his poor control. In Australia, the most important quality of a spinner is his economy rate and not the runs that he will score.

Much like his spinner theory, his D/N Test theory is also not backed by evidence. I can confidently state that any team that utilizes this strategy will find itself on the losing side more often than not.

In fact, the fundamentals of his theory are disproved by the D/N Test results so far:

- Australia beat New Zealand in the first ever D/N Test after New Zealand batted first and were dismissed for 200 odd runs after 65 overs.

- Pakistan beat West Indies by scoring 580/3 in the first innings.

- Australia beat South Africa after Faf declared on 250/9 after 76 overs.

- Australia beat Pakistan by scoring 429 in the first innings.

- England inflicted an innings defeat on West Indies by scoring 514 in the first innings.

- Sri Lanka beat Pakistan by scoring 482 runs in the first innings.

- Australia beat England by scoring 442 runs in the first innings.

- Sri Lanka beat West Indies after West Indies were dismissed for 204 in 69 overs in the first innings.

- Australia beat Sri Lanka after Sri Lanka were dismissed for 144 in 56 overs in the first innings.


These are all the D/N Tests so far except the following three: South Africa vs Zimbabwe, New Zealand vs England and India vs Bangladesh. I ignored them because of the humongous gap between South Africa and Zimbabwe, and the fact that England and Bangladesh were dismissed for 54 and 106 in their first innings respectively.

12 D/N Tests so far, and there is not a shred of evidence that a team that declares at a below par total on day 1 will end up winning the match. In fact, we have noticed the following - every single team has lost the match after getting all out on day 1 for a below par total, and every single team has won after posting a big total in the first innings.

The only time a captain declared on day 1 was Faf against Australia, but his team were 9 down and he lost the game comfortably. Hence, Junaids’ fundamentals are woefully off the mark.

The fundamentals of winning both red ball and pink ball Tests are identical - win the toss, get a big total in the first innings and put the opposition to bat in the last session of day 2 and take quick wickets by capitalizing on scoreboard pressure.

Excellent post.
 
Heavy rain is predicted on Friday, Sunday (might be a washout) and Monday.
Tuesday is too far our currently to predict accurately.

This is pointing to an easy Aus victory or a draw.
The chance of Pakistan winning is extremely slim now unless they bowl Aus out for 150 odd in the first innings.
Typical!
At the gabba, we needed this rain and we would have got a draw.
At adelaide, we will batter the aussies black and blue, but will be denied a victory by the rain!
 
Rizwan will score his maiden century in this test - mark my words!
Maybe imam might get a century too!
He has a point to prove to misbah.
Who in their right mind would select ifti in the batting line up of a test and leave out imam?
I know they bat at different positions, but you just rejig the batting order.
 
Heavy rain is predicted on Friday, Sunday (might be a washout) and Monday.
Tuesday is too far our currently to predict accurately.

This is pointing to an easy Aus victory or a draw.
The chance of Pakistan winning is extremely slim now unless they bowl Aus out for 150 odd in the first innings.
A green storm is going to hit adelaide on friday

Aussies 1st innings 220 a.o.
Pak 1st innings 340 a.o.
Aussies 2nd innings 170 a.o.
Pakistan 2nd innings 51 for 5 - And WINNERS of the adelaide test!
 
Think we need a face-saving result from this game - that could well be a draw which is what I feel we can salvage.
 
We won't be able to win this one. Misbah has already used his defensive mindset in selection. They have decided to give Abbas a go but rest Naseem after just one test. COME ON!! Horrible decision.

MISBAH SHOULD BE SACKED IMMEDIATELY!

Very defensive coach....
 
Think we need a face-saving result from this game - that could well be a draw which is what I feel we can salvage.

Unless 2 full days are rained out, D/N tests are result oriented.

The lottery conditions give Pakistan the best chance to get Australia out cheaply, at least in one innings. But that won't be enough to win the match. They have to do that twice. Which is a long shot.

At least if they get lucky with the conditions, they can get Aus out cheaply one time, which will stave off innings defeat.
 
I think they have the skills but temperament is in short supply.
 
We won't be able to win this one. Misbah has already used his defensive mindset in selection. They have decided to give Abbas a go but rest Naseem after just one test. COME ON!! Horrible decision.

MISBAH SHOULD BE SACKED IMMEDIATELY!

Very defensive coach....

Where did you read this?
 
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