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Can Pakistan save the 1st Test against New Zealand?

Can Pakistan save the 1st Test against New Zealand?

  • Yes, the batsmen and bowlers will step up

    Votes: 13 35.1%

  • No, New Zealand are too strong and will win

    Votes: 24 64.9%
  • Total voters
    37
  • Poll closed .
Doubt there’s much chasing to be done. Doubt the “senior” players will be thinking tonight of much else other than spending an hour or two at the crease to salvage their careers.

But the overall narrative that is brewing is interesting and a few things whose confluence can conspire to put additional pressure on Misbah/Waqar:

- The result of this Test and how we are hurtling towards it
- Exposing of our fielding standards post since we moved on from the previous coach
- The result of the other Trans-Tasman Test, and how our neighbours performed despite being weakened
- Rahane’s open emphasis on First Class and A team experience for debutants
- The total SRL put up in SAF (keen eye on that series under, especially what with it being under Mickey’s tutelage)
- Amir’s, now explicit and transparent, remarks about Waqar and Misbah and their influence on the culture. He will be asked for increasingly more interviews and opinions in wake of this series and I hope he obliges
- Whether other players who have played under Mickey and Waqar/Misbah will start to see any “truth” in Amir’s words (potentially growing dissatisfaction in the ranks)
- Muhammad Wasim noticing the exposing of: Shan, Abid, Haris, Azhar, Fawad, Yasir etc.
 
Yk313 said:
Doubt there’s much chasing to be done. Doubt the “senior” players will be thinking tonight of much else other than spending an hour or two at the crease to salvage their careers.

But the overall narrative that is brewing is interesting and a few things whose confluence can conspire to put additional pressure on Misbah/Waqar:

- The result of this Test and how we are hurtling towards it
- Exposing of our fielding standards post since we moved on from the previous coach
- The result of the other Trans-Tasman Test, and how our neighbours performed despite being weakened
- Rahane’s open emphasis on First Class and A team experience for debutants
- The total SRL put up in SAF (keen eye on that series under, especially what with it being under Mickey’s tutelage)
- Amir’s, now explicit and transparent, remarks about Waqar and Misbah and their influence on the culture. He will be asked for increasingly more interviews and opinions in wake of this series and I hope he obliges
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Some good points here.
 
I say yes!

As freaky as it sounds but Fawad Alam and Azhar seem to have weathered the storm for now - just need some help from the weather
 
GreenKhan said:
Seems like a lot of people on here either are delusional or have very little understanding of test cricket .

Pakistan are 74-3! From this position even a target of 202 would be tricky on a day 5 pitch let alone 302.

Pakistan should not go in a shell but expecting them to score 3 an over when they have barely scored 2 for the majority of the test match is being optimistic to say the least .

They need to focus on batting out the day . If they get to ambition and start chasing balls outside off stump and collapse then they will be chastised .

A credible draw will feel like a victory for them . This is a similar situation to the 2011 test match in New Zealand where misyou batted out the day to save the match .
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I was reading some statistics on Twitter where apparently Mount Manganui has historically become a bit easier on Day 5. Can anyone add credibility to this claim?
 
NauV said:
Honestly, I hope we don't draw this one . . very defeatest mindset, I know but just the quality of cricket we played was sooo atrocious, we don't deserve to get out of this one! 70 odd runs in 55 overs . . Ridiculous captaincy . . Pathetic mindset . .
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From what I am expecting on day 5 today is, it's only a matter of fall of one or two wickets, and then flood gates of disaster will open up. And all of a sudden we will be 150-8 or something.
 
Just try your best. It's surely possible to save this test, but Pakistan will have to bat well and hopefully some rain.
 
They can and it would be a fine effort against a very good attack. The Kiwis have done a lot of bowling the last couple of days.

But with 7 wickets in hand even if Pakistan get through the first session without losing a wicket, the bowling side still retains a decent chance of victory especially against a vulnerable line up like ours.
 
I think they can even win it. Just need to survive until lunch sn put on 50-70 runs. I think that will give them the confidence to even win the game as not many runs will be left to chase.
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
I was reading some statistics on Twitter where apparently Mount Manganui has historically become a bit easier on Day 5. Can anyone add credibility to this claim?
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That was one great observation that you picked up. Seems somewhat evident now.
 
If Fawad and Rizwan can stay till tell tea than there is a very good chance they can save the match for Pakistan.
 
They have the chance now. Tremendous batting from Rizwan & Fawad.

Won't be easy though. I've watched plenty of teams crumble in the final session to give it all away- against attacks that weren't this good either.

If they do, it's actually a landmark performance. I give it 66/33 chances to Pakistan they DO hold on.
 
Fawad is the key here. He is the one who will get us over the line
 
Big question is will they try and go for the win. If they do they will likely lose this. Lets see what strategy they put into play here. My guess is more tuk-tuk!!! :)
 
Mamoon Ji missing from this thread. Do minnows often do this kind of thing in New Zealand? Quick someone run the numbers on that.
 
If Pakistan can win this match, it clearly shows how much more potential Pakistan has as far as talent goes compared to India. India with all their money and players could not manage a win in NZ last series. Pakistan which look like a pile of dust in front of India as far as money goes manages to win then you can only imagine how good Pakistan would be, if they had India's resources.
 
I think we've already shown this Romali dont need a win to show we were the superior side in NZ this year. Win might give us GOAT status in Mamoon's eyes though :)))
 
MenInG said:
I say yes!

As freaky as it sounds but Fawad Alam and Azhar seem to have weathered the storm for now - just need some help from the weather
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Sounded laughable and unbelievable when you said it but many of us have now got our tongues caught by a cat.
 
Saving this test looks quite possible now, but I have seen plenty of tests where one wicket brings many wickets in the last sessions. If they don't lose wickets then the last 10 overs can be left for trying to win.
 
Going to need real heroics from the tail here.

Faheem needs to stand up all over again.

20 overs to go and heavily in NZ favor now.
 
Colorblind Genius said:
From what I am expecting on day 5 today is, it's only a matter of fall of one or two wickets, and then flood gates of disaster will open up. And all of a sudden we will be 150-8 or something.
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Well, that outburst of tumbling wickets and flood gates of disaster opened up just a little late - but it eventually DID happen,

Good fight Pakistan
 
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Why are they torturing us like this? Couldn’t they have just beaten us last night?
 
ShoaibM said:
Mamoon Ji missing from this thread. Do minnows often do this kind of thing in New Zealand? Quick someone run the numbers on that.
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This is what happens when you become a minnow. You celebrate “fight” because you cannot win.

We are becoming like Bangladesh of late 2000s and early 2010s. We win hearts because we cannot win matches.
 
ShoaibM said:
I think we've already shown this Romali dont need a win to show we were the superior side in NZ this year. Win might give us GOAT status in Mamoon's eyes though :)))
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Congratulations on winning the “we stretched NZ to the last half hour unlike India” trophy, while they continue to be ranked in the top 3 while we are ranked 7.

Besides, even if we want to compare our performance with India in individual countries, we cannot look beyond the respective performances in Australia..
 
Mamoon said:
Congratulations on winning the “we stretched NZ to the last half hour unlike India” trophy, while they continue to be ranked in the top 3 while we are ranked 7.

Besides, even if we want to compare our performance with India in individual countries, we cannot look beyond the respective performances in Australia..
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https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...ralia-vs-india-1st-test-754737/full-scorecard

Was this fight enough for India when they lost chasing 365 against Australians and Kohli scoring a match losing 140? Or was it called one of the great 4th innings knocks ever? India weren't the force they were back in 2015 in tests atleast
 
waleed88 said:
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...ralia-vs-india-1st-test-754737/full-scorecard

Was this fight enough for India when they lost chasing 365 against Australians and Kohli scoring a match losing 140? Or was it called one of the great 4th innings knocks ever? India weren't the force they were back in 2015 in tests atleast
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Kohli scored a ton in both innings. He produced an impactful performance but his teammates let him down.

Had he failed in the first innings, his second innings performance would hold less value..
 
Mamoon said:
Kohli scored a ton in both innings. He produced an impactful performance but his teammates let him down.

Had he failed in the first innings, his second innings performance would hold less value..
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Agree to this point
 
Mamoon said:
Congratulations on winning the “we stretched NZ to the last half hour unlike India” trophy, while they continue to be ranked in the top 3 while we are ranked 7.

Besides, even if we want to compare our performance with India in individual countries, we cannot look beyond the respective performances in Australia..
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We cannot look beyond what now? Its true that Pakistan seem to have a mental block in Australia but so what. Federer never beat Nadal in the French open, is that how we should define their legacy? That we can't look beyond this little fact? Get off it, means nothing for anyone who has a shred of intelligence.

What does hold value is the simple fact that this fledgling team has already surpassed your goat morons and will continue to grow from here while you sit in a corner of your room slitting wrists. I do feel badly for you, ideally you would be able to enjoy when your team actually does well but you put yourself in this position.
 
Mamoon said:
This is what happens when you become a minnow. You celebrate “fight” because you cannot win.

We are becoming like Bangladesh of late 2000s and early 2010s. We win hearts because we cannot win matches.
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We should always celebrate "fight", minnow or not. And your argument has fallen flat on its face minnow teams dont do to NZ what we just did. You are having a hard time accepting it, I understand the struggle. But give in it will go easier on you. This kind of garbage argument is just comedic value nothing more.
 
ShoaibM said:
We cannot look beyond what now? Its true that Pakistan seem to have a mental block in Australia but so what. Federer never beat Nadal in the French open, is that how we should define their legacy? That we can't look beyond this little fact? Get off it, means nothing for anyone who has a shred of intelligence.

What does hold value is the simple fact that this fledgling team has already surpassed your goat morons and will continue to grow from here while you sit in a corner of your room slitting wrists. I do feel badly for you, ideally you would be able to enjoy when your team actually does well but you put yourself in this position.
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We all know how handicapped you are in terms of understanding of cricket, but it is still interesting to see your capacity to outdo yourself every time.

So Pakistan has surpassed India because they stretched a match in NZ to the last half hour. Apparently, this is a more significant metric of the capability of a team than rankings and performances against all teams.

In your world, Pant has surpassed Babar as a batsman because he has two hundreds outside Asia while Babar has only one, Karun Nair has surpassed Miandad because he has a Test triple hundred but Miandad doesn’t, and Binny has surpassed Wasim as an ODI bowler because he took a 6 wicket haul which Wasim never did.
 
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ShoaibM said:
We cannot look beyond what now? Its true that Pakistan seem to have a mental block in Australia but so what. Federer never beat Nadal in the French open, is that how we should define their legacy? That we can't look beyond this little fact? Get off it, means nothing for anyone who has a shred of intelligence.

What does hold value is the simple fact that this fledgling team has already surpassed your goat morons and will continue to grow from here while you sit in a corner of your room slitting wrists. I do feel badly for you, ideally you would be able to enjoy when your team actually does well but you put yourself in this position.
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Surpassed in conceding almost 500 runs? India produced worse performance this year in newzealand but they didn't let NZ score 350 even once in that dreadful series. The pitch was so flat that NZ made almost 500 and scored at 6rpo in the second innings. The match lasted 5 days because NZ batted too long.
 
Why are you feeding the Indian troll here? This is the same guy who refused to accept 36 and claimed the Laws of cricket are wrong, then he does bhangra when India won the second Test, now he's arguing over whether the match could be saved, when the match is not only over, but he didn't see a single ball of day 5.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Why are you feeding the Indian troll here? This is the same guy who refused to accept 36 and claimed the Laws of cricket are wrong, then he does bhangra when India won the second Test, now he's arguing over whether the match could be saved, when the match is not only over, but he didn't see a single ball of day 5.
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India were under strength though.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Why are you feeding the Indian troll here? This is the same guy who refused to accept 36 and claimed the Laws of cricket are wrong, then he does bhangra when India won the second Test, now he's arguing over whether the match could be saved, when the match is not only over, but he didn't see a single ball of day 5.
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Why is India always dragged into discussion when a Pakistani criticizes his team?
 
Technics 1210 said:
Simply because only Indians would belittle Pakistani players' achivements, like Fawad's century today. As seen in this thread.

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There is another thread on Fawad Alam where a few posters have belittled his effort in this match and all of them are Pakistanis. I am yet to see an Indian on this forum criticizing Fawad.
 
RyanRyan10 said:
There is another thread on Fawad Alam where a few posters have belittled his effort in this match and all of them are Pakistanis. I am yet to see an Indian on this forum criticizing Fawad.
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Mamoon. Pray tell why he keeps mentioning India, and compares Pakistani player performances with Indian players? Is it because you think he's Pakistani? Well, okay then!
 
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