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Can Pakistan spring a surprise and beat India on June 4th?

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Logic says that we have no chance

Indian ODI team isnt in top form arguably but the fact is that it is an 'ODI team.'

Our team on the other hand barely classifies as such.

However I have this unexplained gut feeling that we will pull out a rabbit from the hat and sneak away with a win
 
For some reason I'm a bit more optimistic with Akmal's departure and Harry's expected arrival. I hope Hafeez and Shehzad/Azhar are also benched and Fakhar is played as opener.
 
One of the reasons is that a lot of the guys are new and will be playing their first match or so against India so they may not have scars of before

I think from this crop only Malik, Sarfaraz, Hafeez and Shehzad have played more than 1 or 2 matches against India
 
Surprise? You guys will smash us on June 4th and I am dead serious about it. The only positive will be that after getting kicked out in the group stages we can get rid of MSD, Yuvi, Rahane for good.
 
I think we will win. I have had this feeling for about a month now.
 
I too strongly feel that we will win against them this time,it's unexplainable given that India's team is much,much stronger than ours.
 
I do not think we have any chance due to our past records. I will be surprised if we even put up a fight.

but anything can happen.
 
Will depend upon Kohli's knock but as already said,this Pakistani team many new faces for Indian team to have planned properly,not to forget the passengers in the Indian team are high in number.
 
Errr.....We're getting absolutely decimated on June 4th guys..... We have a non existent bowling lineup and India are a gun ODI batting side....
 
I suspect a 2009 Champions Trophy type match with a similar result.
 
Mamoon said:
I think we will win. I have had this feeling for about a month now.
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Dont know why but Ive not felt this good about our chances against India in an ICC event since 2004 CT
 
We still have dot kings Azhar and Shehzad. Hafeez as usual can't handle pressure. Wahab is finish. So we have 4 useless players in the playing eleven competing with high profile India. Its very unlikely we can win this match. Unless India don't take this match seriously and batsmen play loose shots and bowlers bowl rubbish.
 
It is possible but highly unlikely.Uptill 2003 WC Pakistan team was better then Indian team on paper. So any indian win was an upset After that every time their has been Indo-Pak encounter Indians start as favorites.
But this doesnt mean Pakistan can not win.
 
Bumrah and co will destroy Pakistan and the might of Shehzad, Azhar and Hafeez.

:facepalm:
 
I think there is too much focus on how India bats?

The challenge is for the Pakistani batsmen to put up a good score or chase sensibly. India does not have a potent bowling line up and is their biggest weakness. The issue is wickets are given away easily......need to make sure to bat well. A good score is vital, India already have a 15-20 run advantage because it's a better fielding unit.

If the batting clicks and goes after the Indian trundlers then anything is possible!
 
No way, with the likes of Ahmed Shehzad in our squad . If Pakistan picked the best 15 players available we would have a chance especially if Sharjeel didn't fix. But we don't have people who should be in the squad eg Yamin, Haris Sohail (though he may get a call up) and instead stuck with some awful ODI players like Azhar Ali and "Pakistani Kohli"
 
Mamoon said:
I think we will win. I have had this feeling for about a month now.
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Haven't you said that before every big India game in the last couple of years? And then you say we should never trust our gut feelings after we loose.
 
On a particular day any team can beat another , that is not the point . Point is can Pakistan win the trophy ? Aim should be trophy , not India.
 
Slog said:
Logic says that we have no chance

Indian ODI team isnt in top form arguably but the fact is that it is an 'ODI team.'

Our team on the other hand barely classifies as such.

However I have this unexplained gut feeling that we will pull out a rabbit from the hat and sneak away with a win
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We are still playing cricket of 2000s, currently our team is at the level of the teams that were playing in 2007-8, while teams of the current era have shown that even high 300s are chaseable. So no we have no chance if team India plays to its potential..

We are still roughly 8-10 years behind all modern teams
 
shortbread said:
I think there is too much focus on how India bats?

The challenge is for the Pakistani batsmen to put up a good score or chase sensibly. India does not have a potent bowling line up and is their biggest weakness. The issue is wickets are given away easily......need to make sure to bat well. A good score is vital, India already have a 15-20 run advantage because it's a better fielding unit.

If the batting clicks and goes after the Indian trundlers then anything is possible!
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good luck against bowlers averaging 21 and 24.
 
The probability of us beating the Indians, in the ICC events, goes up and up with every Loss !!!!!!!!!
 
Pakistan beating India always end as a jinx thread. I don't care anymore if Pakistan beat India I want to see my team in semi`s at least
 
Chances of Pak winning the match are quite low.There are two factors which will determine the outcome of the match
1)Kohli's wicket.If he is dismissed early,Pak have a chance.I have a feeling that Hassan will take his wicket in his first spell.
2)Bumrah.He is being underrated by Pak.He bowled beautifully in the recent IPL matches.The English conditions will also suit him.He moves the new ball,bowls yorkers and has death-bowling skills.
 
Stop with these threads please. Its not going to happen!!!

The Chak De India song will be played all over Edgbaston to high flying indian flags. It will be a great spectacle for Indian supporters.
 
Team that has got Yuvi, MSD and Rahane isn't a good team. You guys should be able to beat us.
 
Rohit and Raina are Amir's bunny
Kohli is Junaid's bunny
Rest will be eaten up by Hassan, Imad and Shadad. Inshallah Pakistan will win.
 
For Pak to win

If Batting first
1) Start off with a blast. Do not let Indian bowlers settle down and bowl with condifence.
2) Score in excess of 250 (won't be easy against BK/Bumrah/Shami/Jaddu/Ashwin)
3) See Indian batsmen struggle and get to 200. Badly out of Form.

If Bowling First
1) Use the conditions and rip through the top order. Get Kohli cheaply. The rest will limp to just over 200.
2) Bat out all 50 overs and get to the target. (Will not be easy. Indian bowling is lethal for the first time and fielding is top notch)
 
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Yes we can . We have defeated superior teams like Australia and England at their home grounds not too long ago . I am expecting a match winning performance from one of our bowlers. Greenstorm is coming.
 
troodon said:
For Pak to win

If Batting first
1) Start off with a blast. Do not let Indian bowlers settle down and bowl with condifence.
2) Score in excess of 250 (won't be easy against BK/Bumrah/Shami/Jaddu/Ashwin)
3) See Indian batsmen struggle and get to 200. Badly out of Form.

If Bowling First
1) Use the conditions and rip through the top order. Get Kohli cheaply. The rest will limp to just over 200.
2) Bat out all 50 overs and get to the target. (Will not be easy. Indian bowling is lethal for the first time and fielding is top notch)
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Extremely difficult considering our openers and the brittleness of our batting lineup.
 
Does it matter? Our aim should be the champions trophy and not just the India-Pak game. We need to aim higher.
 
Slog said:
Logic says that we have no chance

Indian ODI team isnt in top form arguably but the fact is that it is an 'ODI team.'

Our team on the other hand barely classifies as such.

However I have this unexplained gut feeling that we will pull out a rabbit from the hat and sneak away with a win
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Best chance for Pakistan is if Amir destroys Indian top order in swing friendly conditions. Probability of Pak victory about 30%
 
Also I think Indian team is not that great and has only 1 decent player in Kohli. Others are not really that good. Our pacers can rip through them even on good batting pitches. Indian bowling is not that great and can be negotiated even by our batsmen. I'm positive. We are going to beat them and beat others teams on our way too. I'm more interested about our clash against South Africa.
 
Those who are stating the obvious, i.e. Pakistan should aim to win the trophy and not beat India, need to realize that the first match of a Champions Trophy is quite often the most crucial. 2 wins guarantee a place in the semifinals, and if you can win your first match (which is vs India), you can give yourself breathing space.

On paper, India is far more beatable than South Africa. If Pakistan can prevail on June 4, it will have roughly an 80% chance of playing the semifinals.
 
Mamoon said:
Those who are stating the obvious, i.e. Pakistan should aim to win the trophy and not beat India, need to realize that the first match of a Champions Trophy is quite often the most crucial. 2 wins guarantee a place in the semifinals, and if you can win your first match (which is vs India), you can give yourself breathing space.

On paper, India is far more beatable than South Africa. If Pakistan can prevail on June 4, it will have roughly an 80% chance of playing the semifinals.
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Super post, couldn't agree more.
 
shortbread said:
I think there is too much focus on how India bats?

The challenge is for the Pakistani batsmen to put up a good score or chase sensibly. India does not have a potent bowling line up and is their biggest weakness. The issue is wickets are given away easily......need to make sure to bat well. A good score is vital, India already have a 15-20 run advantage because it's a better fielding unit.

If the batting clicks and goes after the Indian trundlers then anything is possible!
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I dont care if India wins or looses. But seriously, an attack of Umesh Yadav, Md Shami, Bumrah, Jadeja is not potent? I find that hard to believe that your cricketing knowledge is so outdated
 
Rightarmfast said:
I dont care if India wins or looses. But seriously, an attack of Umesh Yadav, Md Shami, Bumrah, Jadeja is not potent? I find that hard to believe that your cricketing knowledge is so outdated
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Exactly the Purple cap holder of 2017 IPL and currently the best Limited overs bowhere in the world.

There will be competition between Shami and Umesh as 4 pacers in the playing 11 is highly unlikely.

And I am not even talking about Ashwin, Jadeja and Hardik Pandya.. all 3 who are good all rounders.. Yuvraj and Kedar Jadav can shred bowlers to pieces but can biwl too. I have been having this feeling that wait till Pakistan faces the Indian bowling and be ready to be surprised big time
 
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Won't be a surprise at all.

Expect us to win comfortably. Anything other than a Pakistan win will be considered an upset.
 
Pakistan will annihilate India.

They are talking about how their bowlers are the best in the world. I disagree.

Indian bowlers might have success in 1st 10 overs, and last 10 overs; But Pakistan will boss the middle 30. Babar, Malik and Sarfraz are all exceptional at rotating the strike.

As for other innings, Pakistan will boss the middle overs here too. India will be strangled by Imad and whoever else bowls with him. Sarfraz will choke India.Their batting is looking poor.

Pakistan will annihilate India.
 
India has won a champions trophy encounter vs Pakistan. You have your own mini streak in this tourney. :)
 
The heights of delusion in this thread, unbelievable.

Top order of Shehzad, Azhar, and Hafeez in 2017 and we will beat India LOL. Shameless team that deserves a thrashing and will get one.
 
If it's a flat pitch, Junaid alone will go for 80-90 runs. Shadabs debut against king of spins could be costly as well.
 
Why would it be a surprise? Pakistan are about the same as India in LOIs especially in these conditions. Maybe even better. Our LOI team is overrated.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Why would it be a surprise? Pakistan are about the same as India in LOIs especially in these conditions. Maybe even better. Our LOI team is overrated.
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The battle is lost on the mental side. Our senior players are some of the softest to ever play for Pakistan. For Pakistan to beat india, they need a one person inspired performance (and that player will live off that performance for a decade, because this is Pakistan, you see)
 
Pete Rose said:
The battle is lost on the mental side. Our senior players are some of the softest to ever play for Pakistan. For Pakistan to beat india, they need a one person inspired performance (and that player will live off that performance for a decade, because this is Pakistan, you see)
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No offense to anyone here but Pakistan teams in the recent
past were led by weak cricketers like Afridi and chokers like Misbah.This current look much better and will be up for a challenge I think. In fact, we are carrying the likes of Yuvraj who were finished 6 years ago. .
 
Pakistan will annhilate India and give them a whooping they will never forget. It does depend on Harris being there along with Shadab Khan. Otherwise my money is on Pakistan. India is carrying a bunch of out of form players in kohli, dhoni and yuvraj. Not sure who that leaves them with. Their bowling is very overrated as well.
 
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