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Can Pakistan win the World Cup with the chosen bowling line-up?

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Fast-bowlers:

1. Faheem Ashraf
2. Hasan Ali
3. Junaid Khan
4. Mohammad Hasnain
5. Shaheen Shah Afridi
6. Mohammad Amir (assuming miracle happens in England ODI series)

Spinners:

1. Shadab Khan
2. Imad Wasim
3. Mohammad Hafeez
4. Shoaib Malik

Occasional spinners:

1. Haris Sohail
2. Fakhar Zaman




This is our bowling attack.

The floor is yours.
 
Pakistan is not gonna win the WC even if you include Md Amir! They are simply not good enough!
 
The bowling line up selected in the best possible one. Amir is past it and should just retire. Only gutted about Shinwari missing out.
 
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We will not qualify into the semi-final with this attack
Who will bowl in last 10 overs
only amir has the ability to bowl in last 10
 
We will not qualify into the semi-final with this attack
Who will bowl in last 10 overs
only amir has the ability to bowl in last 10

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My biggest concern is the pace dept. This squad lacks a leader of the pace attack, leader of the herd who is aggressive and goes out to attack. Hopefully Amir can be that. <br>In case that doesn't happen, <a href="https://twitter.com/RealHa55an?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RealHa55an</a> has to step up and fill that role along with <a href="https://twitter.com/JunaidkhanREAL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JunaidkhanREAL</a></p>— Shoaib Akhtar (@shoaib100mph) <a href="https://twitter.com/shoaib100mph/status/1118868092107538437?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Drop Junaid Khan. The guy is dangerous to the cause of Pakistan winning. He highlights everything wrong with the team, no commitment, no pressure, no pace, no swing. Need to play Shinwari.
 
Imagine the final over of a tight game and one of Afridi or Hasnain bowling it?
 
Oh yes, what I liked about this decision to include Hasnain is better in the longer run.

These moments will develop him and Shaheen to world-class bowlers.
 
We have seen waqar younis messing it up for us in 1996 , so we cant be sure even with two Ws that we are going to win

Pakistan did well with a similar kind of attack in 2017 , though its going to be hard for us to repeat the feat but certainly not impossible.
 
To me Hasnain has to be given a chance in all ODIs vs England to make a fair assessment of whether he is needed in the WC or not
 
To me Hasnain has to be given a chance in all ODIs vs England to make a fair assessment of whether he is needed in the WC or not

100% agreed. And given that Hasan and Shaheen are 2 certainties in the starting XI come May 31st, one of them should play. Hasnain and Amir should play alongside each other . .

I am very torn on Hasnain . . they keep raving about his pace . . but as far as I am concerned, he has bowled a grand total of ONE delivery over 150 kph . . even against Australia, most of his balls were in the range of 140 to 145 . . I don't remember many balls in the 147 148 range . . especially in his second and third spells . . Both Hasan Ali and Shaheen also bowl in teh same range . . so if Hasnain is not considerably quicker, then where is the 'pace' everyone keeps talking about?
 
More realistic question should be asked - can PAK win the WC with this batting line up?

I don’t think there is any hidden bowler left who could have come & make a dramatic U turn. Bowling was nothing special and I am not sure which is PAK’s stronger suit now - bowling or batting?

I understand the expectations from pace bowlers considering the World Cup in UK, but there has to be a batting back up as well. And this attack is among weakest in spin resources - might not include only specialist spinner in playing XI!!!

If it is to happen, it has to be a collective effort from both bowling & batting, backed by die hard attitude, committed fielding & passionate team spirit ..... and, more than entire bowling attack, most important player in the squad is Babar - if PAK is to win the Cup, he’ll have to score over 600 runs from 11 games, that too at better than his contemporary strike rate.
 
More realistic question should be asked - can PAK win the WC with this batting line up?

I don’t think there is any hidden bowler left who could have come & make a dramatic U turn. Bowling was nothing special and I am not sure which is PAK’s stronger suit now - bowling or batting?

I understand the expectations from pace bowlers considering the World Cup in UK, but there has to be a batting back up as well. And this attack is among weakest in spin resources - might not include only specialist spinner in playing XI!!!

If it is to happen, it has to be a collective effort from both bowling & batting, backed by die hard attitude, committed fielding & passionate team spirit ..... and, more than entire bowling attack, most important player in the squad is Babar - if PAK is to win the Cup, he’ll have to score over 600 runs from 11 games, that too at better than his contemporary strike rate.

I think Babar is important, no doubt . . and him and Haris Sohail will have to have a good world cup . . but for me, if Pakistan is to be a force in the world cup, 2 players would have to have a stellar world cup . .

Mohammad Hafeez
Imad Wasim

Mo Hafeez can be a game maker . . over the last year, his batting has been different . . and if he can continue that, Pak will benefit greatly . . His bowling can also be useful
Imad Wasim can be a good finisher . . He has been good over the last year as well . . so we need him to have a good world cup in that regard and control teh game in the middle overs as well . .

So if these 2 people have a good world cup, I think Pakistan can knock over a couple of big teams and have a real shot at the semi finals . .
 
I think Babar is important, no doubt . . and him and Haris Sohail will have to have a good world cup . . but for me, if Pakistan is to be a force in the world cup, 2 players would have to have a stellar world cup . .

Mohammad Hafeez
Imad Wasim

Mo Hafeez can be a game maker . . over the last year, his batting has been different . . and if he can continue that, Pak will benefit greatly . . His bowling can also be useful
Imad Wasim can be a good finisher . . He has been good over the last year as well . . so we need him to have a good world cup in that regard and control teh game in the middle overs as well . .

So if these 2 people have a good world cup, I think Pakistan can knock over a couple of big teams and have a real shot at the semi finals . .

Bro, a quick fire innings here & there can win a game, like Inzi did in Auckland; tournaments are won by batsmen putting in volume (or bowlers picking in volume), Javed did that in 1992. At this point, Hafeez might smash a 40 ball 50 in some game & Imad can have a game like 35 (23) + 3/43 .... but, that’s one game. Neither of them are capable to give a WC of 450+ runs at run a ball or 200 runs & 20 wickets.

And, the topic is about winning the cup, not making SF - which I think is 50-50 with or without MoHa/Imad ..... but if Babar has a WC like IuH had in 2003, PAK should finish among bottom 2......
 
If you break it down.

You have win the 4 matches against ban, Afg, wi, Sri lanka. Which is very possible if you manage to beat wi.

Then you just beat 1 or 2 other teams out of (sa, eng, nz, one, aus)

If you're going to go to the semis you have to beat 1 or 2 of the top teams.

Then in the semis It is just anyone's game.

So, yes the bowling can win it but imo the batting is a bigger concern.
 
Skillwise they have the ability but if we look at experience, we are lacking a bit there in bowling as well as batting.

Other than Junaid Khan none of our bowlers have played even 50 ODIs while our top 3 batsmen have combined experience of 104 matches with two of them yet to play 50 ODIs. Same is the case with our all rounders.

With experience players learn a lot of things but skillwise Pak can definitely do what it did in CT 17.
 
100% agreed. And given that Hasan and Shaheen are 2 certainties in the starting XI come May 31st, one of them should play. Hasnain and Amir should play alongside each other . .

I am very torn on Hasnain . . they keep raving about his pace . . but as far as I am concerned, he has bowled a grand total of ONE delivery over 150 kph . . even against Australia, most of his balls were in the range of 140 to 145 . . I don't remember many balls in the 147 148 range . . especially in his second and third spells . . Both Hasan Ali and Shaheen also bowl in teh same range . . so if Hasnain is not considerably quicker, then where is the 'pace' everyone keeps talking about?

I'm sorry but you're wrong about his speed. There were many balls which were 147/148. PPers were surprised coz in the psl Hasnain was bowling around 143/144.
 
Skillwise they have the ability but if we look at experience, we are lacking a bit there in bowling as well as batting.

Other than Junaid Khan none of our bowlers have played even 50 ODIs while our top 3 batsmen have combined experience of 104 matches with two of them yet to play 50 ODIs. Same is the case with our all rounders.

With experience players learn a lot of things but skillwise Pak can definitely do what it did in CT 17.

No, skill wise they don’t have the ability.

This is PAK forum & I don’t want to brag, but it’s a massive overstatement if you think this PAK line up as a whole has the necessary skills to make a confirmed SF spot, let alone winning WC. Teams out perform their level sometimes, because the team game is about instincts, combination & synergy - that can happen for PAK as well, but in terms of fundamental skills, this unit is

Inferior in batting to at least 5 teams - England, Australia, India, Newzeeland, South Africa, arguably BD as well, but I keep that for neutrals to judge.

Inferior in pace attack to at lest 4 teams -
Australia, India, Newzeland, South Africa; may be WIN as well or at per. Add skills of new ball bowling in a separate section - Poms will join in the better bracket.

Inferior in spin attack to at lest 5 teams - India, England, South Africa, Australia & Afghanistan. Most will say Bangladesh as well and if Narine is picked, you can add WIN in that mix of better or per.

Inferior in Fielding to at least 5 teams - NZ, SAF, AUS, ENG, IND; probably WIN as well and SRL, BD not far behind.

No, this is not that “skilful” squad to be honest. But, 11 players raising their game at a time & complement each other - far greater things can be achieved. We can hope that most of the PAK players hit form during WC and achieve something, but “skill” route doesn’t give much confidence. And, talking about experience- I think the lesser, the better for PAK players .... experience makes them selfish.
 
On paper, not so strong, in practice, anyone's guess.

How many of you said the same thing before the CT17 tournament?

In the end, Pakistan team doesn't have a talent problem, it has a mentality problem.
 
Countries are selecting two front line spinners and we have Shadab and Imad
 
No because we don't have a single world class spinner and as for the rest of the pace attack everyone is pretty average (other than Shaheen).

Hence why I would like to see more firepower in the batting line up:

Abid Ali over Imam
Asif Ali over Malik
 
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Hasnain is 50/50, I feel he will either go for lots of run or have a similar World Cup to Hasan Ali's Champions trophy.

Junaid Khan is a mediocre bowler who should not have been chosen over Shinwari who had a great Australia series.

Amir missing out is the right decision now that I think about it. People will argue that he shows up for big games but he was nowhere to be found during the Asia cup and those were big games, he has been on the downfall for two years now which is sad.
 
The attack is too one paced. I don't really see the point in having Amir and Junaid in the same team, neither of them bowl flat out pace these days, should have ditched Junaid.

I would have gone with Wahab just to give us a 150kph option. Hasnain is promising but he still looks too raw to carry the pressure of a world cup. I know Wahab is hit and miss, but he doesn't lack for big match temperament, and he can produce real threat in the death overs. Amir and Junaid are just as likely to go for huge sixes in the final overs.
 
I'm sorry but you're wrong about his speed. There were many balls which were 147/148. PPers were surprised coz in the psl Hasnain was bowling around 143/144.

I am happy to be proved wrong. The games I saw, most of his balls (especially in the later half of the innigns) were not 147 148 . . they were sprinkled in between . . and definitely not 150! I don't think he is much quicker on average than shaheen and hasan ali . . like I said, happy to be proved wrong!
 
I am happy to be proved wrong. The games I saw, most of his balls (especially in the later half of the innigns) were not 147 148 . . they were sprinkled in between . . and definitely not 150! I don't think he is much quicker on average than shaheen and hasan ali . . like I said, happy to be proved wrong!

Hasan and Shaheen barely touch 140 tbh.
 
Bro, a quick fire innings here & there can win a game, like Inzi did in Auckland; tournaments are won by batsmen putting in volume (or bowlers picking in volume), Javed did that in 1992. At this point, Hafeez might smash a 40 ball 50 in some game & Imad can have a game like 35 (23) + 3/43 .... but, that’s one game. Neither of them are capable to give a WC of 450+ runs at run a ball or 200 runs & 20 wickets.

And, the topic is about winning the cup, not making SF - which I think is 50-50 with or without MoHa/Imad ..... but if Babar has a WC like IuH had in 2003, PAK should finish among bottom 2......

I see your point, but I see things differently . . With the batting line up Pakistan has, they will score 260 270 in most games they play in my opinion (similar to what they did against Aus in the recently concluded series) . . the difference between a 270 and a 310 320 is going to be hafeez and imad . . like I said . . for Pakistan to have any chance, they need to have stellar world cups . . as all rounders . .

In the WC format, if any team is good enough to make the SF, its good enough to win the WC
 
I am happy to be proved wrong. The games I saw, most of his balls (especially in the later half of the innigns) were not 147 148 . . they were sprinkled in between . . and definitely not 150! I don't think he is much quicker on average than shaheen and hasan ali . . like I said, happy to be proved wrong!

He clocked 147/148 in his 9th over (3rd spell? I think) in one of the ODIs against Australia.

However, the workload will be considerably heavier over the next couple of months than just a couple of ODIs. Important to balance it out for all the pacers.
 
This is a very strong bowling attack. I would:

Open with Shaheen & Hasan
First change Hasnain
Then Imad and Shadab
 
This is a very strong bowling attack. I would:

Open with Shaheen & Hasan
First change Hasnain
Then Imad and Shadab

Not Imad? maybe wrong foot the opposition? or Even Hafeez?
 
Shaheen is inexperienced. We will be heavily dependent on Hasan. Dropping Shinwari was a blunder.
 
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