Can the establishment maintain a 4 front war with TTP, BLA, PTI and Baluchistan Activist? Could this cause a Civil War in Pakistan?

[Major]

So Pakistan has entered into dangerous territory where civil war can take place in the long run.

The establishment had an ongoing issue with PTI, however than TTP issue came along who started kidnapping Govt workers from KPK and thus a fight with them also ensured.

Meanwhile, the establishment has had a on going fight with BLA which takes a new turn ever since the Train hijacking took place. However, while the Establishment takes on the BLA, they have decided to not only fight the BLA but also the Activists in Balochistan, as today Mahrang Baloch was abducted aswell.

Now, no where am I saying PTI, BLA, TTP and Baluchistan Activists are all the same. I am just identifying that 4 conflicts are being fought currently. With the establishment being soo much focused on these 4 groups, this will create an internal crises in the country and civil war looms in the dark.

Now TTP and BLA i understand, that they are terrorist groups and establishment needs to fight them. However, no matter how much i may dislike PTI, its not a terrorist group. At same time, Balochistan activists being abducted will only create more enemies against Pakistan in Balochistan.

I wonder if the establishment can afford to fight 4 battles, or maybe it is time to pacify with PTI and the Balochistan Activists, which includes Mahrang Baloch and PTM members. Because whether anyone likes it or not, PTI and Balochistan Activists do have a political say and seats in Parliament, and any action that Pakistan plans to take agiasnt TTP and BLA would required a united upper and lower house.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Establishment cocked up big time by arresting her. A heavy handed approach will not work in Balochistan. We need Balochis to speak up against BLA.

I agree with your assessment they will need to patch up with PTI ( maybe minus Imran) and make concessions to Baloch activists. This will allow them to focus on the terrorist groups.

It is actually a good opportunity for PTI here. Imran has been saved from being the one having to act against these groups. If the situation changes he could arrive on the scene as a pacifier.

 

[Major]

Establishment cocked up big time by arresting her. A heavy handed approach will not work in Balochistan. We need Balochis to speak up against BLA.

I agree with your assessment they will need to patch up with PTI ( maybe minus Imran) and make concessions to Baloch activists. This will allow them to focus on the terrorist groups.

It is actually a good opportunity for PTI here. Imran has been saved from being the one having to act against these groups. If the situation changes he could arrive on the scene as a pacifier.

i disagree with the pacifist approach. Never pacify with terrorists no matter what.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

i disagree with the pacifist approach. Never pacify with terrorists no matter what.

After a military operation on BLA we will need to pacify with Baloch activists to make clear the operation isn't an ethnic one

 

[Major]

After a military operation on BLA we will need to pacify with Baloch activists to make clear the operation isn't an ethnic one

ok that i agree

 

[UP]

There is no ‘establishment’ in Pakistan.

It’s only one guy who is the ‘establishment’. And this guy needs to be sent back to barracks so we can have peace in the country. The root cause of all chaos and mayhem is Hafiz saab.

Predecessors of Hafiz saab have destroyed Pakistan and that’s why we are at the crossroads and everybody knows now who is the real culprit.

 

[Bewal Express]

i disagree with the pacifist approach. Never pacify with terrorists no matter what.

What do these terrorists do that our army isn't also doing. Who has the moral authority? Army or the terrorists or neither?

 

[Bewal Express]

There is no ‘establishment’ in Pakistan.

It’s only one guy who is the ‘establishment’. And this guy needs to be sent back to barracks so we can have peace in the country. The root cause of all chaos and mayhem is Hafiz saab.

Predecessors of Hafiz saab have destroyed Pakistan and that’s why we are at the crossroads and everybody knows now who is the real culprit.

He also says so. The establishment is euphemism for the chief. The chief believes himself to be god.

 

[Major]

There is no ‘establishment’ in Pakistan.

It’s only one guy who is the ‘establishment’. And this guy needs to be sent back to barracks so we can have peace in the country. The root cause of all chaos and mayhem is Hafiz saab.

Predecessors of Hafiz saab have destroyed Pakistan and that’s why we are at the crossroads and everybody knows now who is the real culprit.

Establishment is never one guy.

Establishment consissts of multiple people

 

[Bewal Express]

ok that i agree

Not so easy. They have killed innocent people and that is the best recruitment advert for the BLA. Why not start with the actually having a govf of real Balochs and not army proxies that are anointed by our Generals.

 

[Bewal Express]

Establishment is never one guy.

Establishment consissts of multiple people

No. At this point in time it's Munir. No one can believe the disaster that has unfolded in front of our own eyes has multiple brains behind it.

 

[moghul]

Establishment and our interiors minister is busy in some more important tasks right now like Champions trophy and upcoming PSL, please ask this question after that , let him concentrate him on those more important event first. We don't have enough security forces , have to prioritize their duties, obviously CT and PSL are more important than other minor issues you mentioned.

 

[UP]

Establishment and our interiors minister is busy in some more important tasks right now like Champions trophy and upcoming PSL, please ask this question after that , let him concentrate him on those more important event first. We don't have enough security forces , have to prioritize their duties, obviously CT and PSL are more important than other minor issues you mentioned.

Also busy in dismantling PTI for the past 3-4 years. Pakistan cannot progress and achieve stability and peace until Hafiz saab is sent to barracks.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

So Pakistan has entered into dangerous territory where civil war can take place in the long run.

The establishment had an ongoing issue with PTI, however than TTP issue came along who started kidnapping Govt workers from KPK and thus a fight with them also ensured.

Meanwhile, the establishment has had a on going fight with BLA which takes a new turn ever since the Train hijacking took place. However, while the Establishment takes on the BLA, they have decided to not only fight the BLA but also the Activists in Balochistan, as today Mahrang Baloch was abducted aswell.

Now, no where am I saying PTI, BLA, TTP and Baluchistan Activists are all the same. I am just identifying that 4 conflicts are being fought currently. With the establishment being soo much focused on these 4 groups, this will create an internal crises in the country and civil war looms in the dark.

Now TTP and BLA i understand, that they are terrorist groups and establishment needs to fight them. However, no matter how much i may dislike PTI, its not a terrorist group. At same time, Balochistan activists being abducted will only create more enemies against Pakistan in Balochistan.

I wonder if the establishment can afford to fight 4 battles, or maybe it is time to pacify with PTI and the Balochistan Activists, which includes Mahrang Baloch and PTM members. Because whether anyone likes it or not, PTI and Balochistan Activists do have a political say and seats in Parliament, and any action that Pakistan plans to take agiasnt TTP and BLA would required a united upper and lower house.

As long as the Military can pull up their socks and make timely payments to their suppliers of military equipment. Why not?

 

[nuttyprof]

i disagree with the pacifist approach. Never pacify with terrorists no matter what.

As a theory I agree with it. Just that fighting wars can be far more expensive and lethal to internal security than anything else. Indian economy for 2-3 years after 1971 war would be a good study and in part is blamed for Indira Gandhi's emergency.
OTOH, agreement out of weakness never last.
The bigger question is, can Pakistan afford multi front war with current economic situation. I do not know the answer!!

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Depends on what is the motivation of the "establishment". My guess would be making sure that those who are established are maintaining their own positions and bank balances, so they will do whatever it takes to keep that in place. It could be that a state of low level civil war helps them achieve that rather than a strong state that would curtail their powers.

 

[Major]

This is not gonna go well. So now they are making a narrative that Mahrang supports BLA and false news are being spread about BYC

 

[Major]

Depends on what is the motivation of the "establishment". My guess would be making sure that those who are established are maintaining their own positions and bank balances, so they will do whatever it takes to keep that in place. It could be that a state of low level civil war helps them achieve that rather than a strong state that would curtail their powers.

Establishment doesnt work that way.

Establishment has a belief that they are protecting the country for the long term goals. So what they do is, they accept a democracy in place but they try to hold the control by keeping influential members with them.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Establishment doesnt work that way.

Establishment has a belief that they are protecting the country for the long term goals. So what they do is, they accept a democracy in place but they try to hold the control by keeping influential members with them.

How would you know the motivations of the establishment?

 

[Bhaijaan]

Tread very carefully, Dr Mahrang Baloch isn’t just the face of the Baloch movement but she’s also a sworn sister to every man in Bharat, Balochistan and Afghanistan.

 

[Major]

How would you know the motivations of the establishment?

By understanding the policies they made in the past and how they make their policies currently.

 

[Master Blaster]

The establishment has won multiple wars against multiple nations. The establishment even defeated US of A, a super power nation and chased them away from Afghanistan.

Handling a civil war for the establishment is like snatching a candy from a kid.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

By understanding the policies they made in the past and how they make their policies currently.

So this is just your own personal take, not really any genuine insight on how the establishment works, or even who they are working for.

 

[Major]

So this is just your own personal take, not really any genuine insight on how the establishment works, or even who they are working for.

This is not my personal take. Anyone who lives in Pakistan and follows Pakistani politics knows this.

Saying that oh the establishment is focussed on making personal gains, yeh thats not how it works. The whole birth of the unofficial establishment came after the 1971 war to make sure that a few powerful control how the country is to be lead behind the scenes.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Establishment isn't just Munir lol

This is a Khanism or PTI propaganda to lay the blame on one guy so that once he goes, they can come back into the fold under a new patron.

Establishment and political elites are sucking the country dry, to pin it on one man is naivety.

 

[RexRex]

Establishment has a belief that they are protecting the country for the long term goals.

^ people of pakistan will never doubt the 'noble' intentions of their beloved khaki establishment. The brainwashing is amazing.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Establishment isn't just Munir lol

This is a Khanism or PTI propaganda to lay the blame on one guy so that once he goes, they can come back into the fold under a new patron.

Army and political elites are sucking the country dry, to pin it on one man is naivety,

Who is the right man or party to rescue Pakistan from this mess right now.

What must be the strategy

 

[Major]

Establishment isn't just Munir lol

This is a Khanism or PTI propaganda to lay the blame on one guy so that once he goes, they can come back into the fold under a new patron.

Establishment and political elites are sucking the country dry, to pin it on one man is naivety.

This is a big misconception with alot of ppl here. They think establisgmebt is coas lol

 

[Major]

^ people of pakistan will never doubt the 'noble' intentions of their beloved khaki establishment. The brainwashing is amazing.

Who said that? You dont understand the context of the post, so doubt you could understand pakistani politics

 

[DeadlyVenom]

This is a big misconception with alot of ppl here. They think establisgmebt is coas lol

This has become the default PTI narrative that we are with the army we are just against one man it is he who is at fault.

Same thing happens all the time in Pakistan. They blame one person ( whether Khaki or politician) who gets exiled or killed and then the next person keeps the show going.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Who is the right man or party to rescue Pakistan from this mess right now.

What must be the strategy

We need an Islamic version of BJP or AKP in Turkey.

 

[Major]

We need an Islamic version of BJP or AKP in Turkey.

na man, dont need an erdogen level lunatic. More religion is just more problem for Pakistan.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

na man, dont need an erdogen level lunatic. More religion is just more problem for Pakistan.

It is the only way in the short term. I don't mean Erdogan specifically but a party that can have the religious aspect that resonates with the public but also savvy enough to not overly use religion. Just like Modi's BJP can chop and change when needed. It is the only force that can take down the army.

 

[shortbread]

We need an Islamic version of BJP or AKP in Turkey.

Got it before the Turks and the Indians in the form of Zia. Complete elite capture which destroyed democracy and common sense under the guise of religion. Pakistan is simply way ahead of where Turkey and India are heading towards on two decades!

 

[psyoptica]

Establishment isn't just Munir lol

This is a Khanism or PTI propaganda to lay the blame on one guy so that once he goes, they can come back into the fold under a new patron.

Establishment and political elites are sucking the country dry, to pin it on one man is naivety.

Establishment isn’t one man however the powers are consolidated into the army chief role. Why do you think the army chief, doesn’t matter who it is, ranked among the top most powerful people in the world? Whether or not he stretches his powers to the max is second to the fact he controls the most powerful institution much like a dictator of a country.
To think that the chief or army doesn’t control all aspects of political and military affairs is naive

 

[Bhaijaan]

We need an Islamic version of BJP or AKP in Turkey.

BJP is nothing.
It’s just Modi’s magic

 

[Bewal Express]

This has become the default PTI narrative that we are with the army we are just against one man it is he who is at fault.

Same thing happens all the time in Pakistan. They blame one person ( whether Khaki or politician) who gets exiled or killed and then the next person keeps the show going.

I agree. It's not the one person that becomes the contemporary "God", it's the whole institution that needs a root and branch reformation. Our security services are more interested making pornos than actually protecting the country. Our army is too big, too useless and too political. We need an army,not a version of Punjab Police