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Can we win against England and how do we stop them?

we have kohli sitting on the bench?

With comments like that I can only think your username is a misnomer. I never suggested we had Kohli on the bench; my point was that our chances will increase/decrease depending on the playing XI chosen.
 
Here's to my first post on Pakpassion.

Some folks are suggesting:
1. Mohammad hafeez
2. Fakhar Zaman
3. Babar Azam
4. Sarfraz Ahmed
5. Shoaib Malik
6. Imad Wasim
7. Faheem Ashraf
8. Shadab Khan
9. Mohammed Aamer
10. Hasan Ali
11. Junaid Khan

Allow me to just disseminate my two cents worth. Even if Pakistan restrict England to somewhere between 270ish (approx) it would make little to no difference, the lineup above would fetch you around 220-230max (on a good day) the balance is all wrong, thus England will expertly exploit the glaring deficiencies; the match will surely be lost. The difference between winning and losing for Pakistan will NOT lie in the bowling facet, rather the batting.

So here is the remedy...

1) Sarfraz Ahmed (confidence)
2) Fakhar Zaman
3) Haris Sohail (must play)
4) Babar Azam
5) Shoaib Malik
6) Mohammad Hafeez
7) Fahim Ashraf (Finisher role)
8) Shahdab Khan
9) Mohammad Amir
10) Hasan Ali
11) Junaid Khan

Pakistan unequivocally CANNOT afford to play Azhar Ali, Imad Wasim and Mohammad Hafeez in the same squad- as it upsets the balance of the team. Imad is merely a bowler, Hafeez is next to useless up the order, but possesses the ability; more utility down the order and to steer the game home. He will definitely score more runs down the order.

It boiled down to Hafeez vs Imad, fighting for the same spot- since the batting will determine the winner, Hafeez is a no brainer out of the two. Haris is an accumulator of runs, he has to play. Thus far, all of the 'new' lads, have shown promise, with that being said, Haris could turn the whole game around with augmenting to the balance of the team. With the aforementioned team, Pakistan has a much greater chance of pulling off an upset.

Penny for your thoughts folks?
 
Bring in shadab khan and haris sohail .. and introduce imad wasim to jason roy first over ... watch out for haris sohail if he plays and fakhar zaman , faheem ashraf shadab khan and imad wasim...
 
1) Sarfraz Ahmed
2) Fakhar Zaman
3) Haris Sohail
4) Babar Azam
5) Shoaib Malik
6) Mohammad Hafeez
7) Fahim Ashraf
8) Shahdab Khan
9) Mohammad Amir
10) Hasan Ali
11) Junaid Khan

Azhar Ali and Imad Wasim upset the balance of the squad. Since the latter is merely a bowler. Slotting Hafeez in Imad's spot will prove to be fruitful- he can bat down the order; guide the rest to a healthy score, Imad cannot. The tail will be too long with Imad and Shahdab in the same squad. The difference between winning and losing will not be whether they can bowl out England between 260-270. It will come down to whether they can chase it down, the squad above could win you the game. It's the only balanced combination.
 
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When we were in the 80s we crushed opponents left, right and centre. And as we progressed onwards we became more erratic. Due to which our fans get given a rollercoaster mix of emotions.

One fine match day an accident occurred and made us the impossible-"The Unpredictables“. To the outside world, we are any run of the mill team , but secretly we use our heads to better ourselves and beat other teams. And one day, we'll find the perfect recipie to become a strong batting team like our seniors and support our bowlers who bowl their heart out with little to no support from our fielders and bring justice and happiness to our country.

We are THE Pakistan Cricket Team.
 
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Do you guys know what this thread needs?

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Have to add [MENTION=141804]QalandarFan[/MENTION] to the spirit squad. He is very spirited and his fantasy scorecards give a lot of positivity.
 
Don't have much expectations from Pak. England are firm favorites - I just hope to see a competitive match.
 
Have to add [MENTION=141804]QalandarFan[/MENTION] to the spirit squad. He is very spirited and his fantasy scorecards give a lot of positivity.

It's not fantasy my friend it is a conclusion drawn from very specfic facts. You could call it an inference, definetley not a fantasy as the whole world will see on Wednesday, this championship is ours!
 
Here's to my first post on Pakpassion.

Some folks are suggesting:
1. Mohammad hafeez
2. Fakhar Zaman
3. Babar Azam
4. Sarfraz Ahmed
5. Shoaib Malik
6. Imad Wasim
7. Faheem Ashraf
8. Shadab Khan
9. Mohammed Aamer
10. Hasan Ali
11. Junaid Khan

Allow me to just disseminate my two cents worth. Even if Pakistan restrict England to somewhere between 270ish (approx) it would make little to no difference, the lineup above would fetch you around 220-230max (on a good day) the balance is all wrong, thus England will expertly exploit the glaring deficiencies; the match will surely be lost. The difference between winning and losing for Pakistan will NOT lie in the bowling facet, rather the batting.

So here is the remedy...

1) Sarfraz Ahmed (confidence)
2) Fakhar Zaman
3) Haris Sohail (must play)
4) Babar Azam
5) Shoaib Malik
6) Mohammad Hafeez
7) Fahim Ashraf (Finisher role)
8) Shahdab Khan
9) Mohammad Amir
10) Hasan Ali
11) Junaid Khan

Pakistan unequivocally CANNOT afford to play Azhar Ali, Imad Wasim and Mohammad Hafeez in the same squad- as it upsets the balance of the team. Imad is merely a bowler, Hafeez is next to useless up the order, but possesses the ability; more utility down the order and to steer the game home. He will definitely score more runs down the order.

It boiled down to Hafeez vs Imad, fighting for the same spot- since the batting will determine the winner, Hafeez is a no brainer out of the two. Haris is an accumulator of runs, he has to play. Thus far, all of the 'new' lads, have shown promise, with that being said, Haris could turn the whole game around with augmenting to the balance of the team. With the aforementioned team, Pakistan has a much greater chance of pulling off an upset.

Penny for your thoughts folks?

Your very first post is a pretty good one, well reasoned. You are right, Pakistan needs to change its team so that it can chase bigger scores.
 
Count it down folks these are the last few hours that England will remain unbeaten in this CT, the forecast is calling for a Greentstorm!

:hasan :imad :amir3 :babar :hafeez2 :sarf :junaid :malik :109: :2ar15smil :pakflag2 :pakflag2 :pkflag
 
We will beat Engalnd so bad that they will go back to their tuk tuk era of before 2015.
 
There are some good observations and comments in this post, although some are downright pessimistic. There is no harm in being pessimistic, knowing how the system works in our country. Reading these comments I also get interested to give my 2 cents.

First, I want to give my opinion on Pak vs Eng encounter, and later on what lies ahead for the PCB and pak cricket.

1) Semi game vs England : Mission accomplished for PCB, that would have been the target in mind for people in charge might have set before coming into CT, knowing our current standing and the way we are playing cricket for some time. This would have also de-stressed the people who are actually bearing the brunt on the field, including players, coaches, and to some extent selectors. While no body is giving us a chance in semis (rightly so, considering how England has played so far), still this is a chance to give good run to our younger players in the game and who knows we might see a surprise. My team for semis would be

Azhar : Yes, I will persist with him , he is important to ensure no situation of 10/2 or 20/4, and Fakhar can play his natural game without thinking about wickets from other end. I still don't understand why he is over doing it. His role is to keep one end , give strike to other batsman. Instead, he is also trying to hit the ball, which he is not good at doing. He should be thinking his role as accumulator, getting 50/60 at 80-90 strike rate would be in his mind.

Fakhar : Good so far
Babar : Disppointed with his dismissals, may be Umar Akmal influence, but God knows
Hafeez : Should be dropped , Should go with Haris Sohail, at least Haris can not play worse than Hafeez
Malik : No choice, but should be there
Sarfaraz: Ok
Imad : Well, his case is curious. While his bowling ensures there are no freebies and he keeps run rate under check, his batting lacks lot to be desired. Still I think, he is a good batsman and should bat at no. 5/6. This guy takes some time to settle and then can up the tempo, as seen in last England tour where he averaged almost 80.00 in 4 ODI's. He should be given more responsibility.

Fahim : Good so far
Amir, Junaid and Hasan

I think this is the best line up we can play against England.

Many are shouting for Shadab Khan, I think playing him would be little tricky if we are not getting any turn from the wicket. I would be little conservative here, as if he has off day vs Englnd, it would be confidence-denting for him.

2) Way to go forward
I think its ok to back youngsters no matter what the result will be against England.
Also, for Mickey and Co. , they have achieved their target of at least reaching to semis (as nobody has given them a dime for pak team in this CT). and also credit must be given to Mickey to introduce new blood in the team, that was some courage.

Pakistan team in 80's and 90's were dangerous because they have given many chances to youngsters which we have not seen in last 5/6 years. Misbah's era if remebered for some stability in tests, has also seen the non-introduction of young players. Instead we have seen the same oldies returning again and again in the team. This could not be Misbah's fault as selectors of post spot fixing era has turned blind eye to the young players.

With his liking for youngsters, in my opinion Mickey has the right intent. At the same time it is also important to not on board players like Akmals, Hafeez, Khurram Manzoor,Shehzad,etc.etc again. We have seen enough of these guys, and they should be discarded forever.

We have been hearing of rebuilding phase in Pak cricket for over last decade, rebuilding can not happen if system does not bring young blood in the team. If this could be.. the right rebuilding phase has started for pakistan.
 
English batting looks new, untested and weak and could be found out if Azhar Ali n co take them on early .
Oh wait! Do the Pakistan batting have it in them to do so. That's a BIG question :afridi
 
With comments like that I can only think your username is a misnomer. I never suggested we had Kohli on the bench; my point was that our chances will increase/decrease depending on the playing XI chosen.

With comments like this. You should enroll in sarcasm 101. I never suggested that I did not get your point. I just wanted to point out how obvious and ridicolous your suggestion was.

Like thats like saying, our chances decrease/ increase depending if we score fast. Its given

But granted your point, we dont have class players left out on benches so It wont be a significant difference. Hence my kohli comment

Also dont take stuff on internet forums too seriously. Thats Intelligent advice.
 
English bowling looks new, untested and weak and could be found out if Azhar Ali n co take them on early .
Oh wait! Do the Pakistan batting have it in them to do so. That's a BIG question
 
Pakistan has as much chances of winning against England as India has qualifying and winning Football world cup. :)))
 
Of course we can win The bowling is doing well, the fielding is okay by our standards. The most things is the batting has to click. England start as favourites.
 
I watched sikandar bakht late night saying we must throw malik out of team he is useless as well he was saying Babar azam should also b drop because he is not odi player .guys your take??
 
It's not impossible to stop it's difficult though.Need to bowl first and restrict them under 250 to have a realistic chance but you still never know with this useless bunch of batters.
 
Were we not in similar kind of position in world cup 1992? england were hot favs and we were bowled out for out lowest total in group stages. We somehow sneaked through and won from same mighty england? dnt write off pakistan just yet
 
With comments like this. You should enroll in sarcasm 101. I never suggested that I did not get your point. I just wanted to point out how obvious and ridicolous your suggestion was.

Like thats like saying, our chances decrease/ increase depending if we score fast. Its given

But granted your point, we dont have class players left out on benches so It wont be a significant difference. Hence my kohli comment

Also dont take stuff on internet forums too seriously. Thats Intelligent advice.

I think it's you who needs to listen to your own advice and chill out.
 
Wrong. eg A brilliant bowling spell by one bowler, taking out three or so key wickets during a critical phase of the match, will beat the opposition no matter how good they are.

The gap between the top teams, and the bottom teams, is wafer thin. That's why Bangladesh beat New Zealand, Pakistan beat South Africa, and SL beat India, and why NZ, SA and Australia have gone home and Pakistan & Bangladesh are in the semi finals.
One dropped catch, or a brilliant catch taken, can be the difference between winning and losing.

Gap between the likes of England, Australia, India - and the likes of Bang, Pak, WI is in fact, notpaper thin. Its Grand Canyonesque. And the longer the format, the lower the likelihood of a few moments of brilliance turning the result around.

SL got a great innings from Dickwella, they got Malinga to conjure up a few moments of brilliance to winkle out crucial wicket at the crucial time. But in the end, they just couldn't defend a sub-par total with a weak bowling lineup. The game was too long for that to happen.

England if they score 260 will have had a horrible day. And will still be strong favorites to defend such a pathetic total against this shambolic Pakistan batting unit. Even if one of the Pak batsmen plays a freak innings and scores a 60-odd.
 
The odds are overwhelmingly against Pakistan. It will be a probabilistic anomaly if we win.
 
Gap between the likes of England, Australia, India - and the likes of Bang, Pak, WI is in fact, notpaper thin. Its Grand Canyonesque. And the longer the format, the lower the likelihood of a few moments of brilliance turning the result around. .
Is that why Australia have gone home and Bangladesh, from the same group, are in the semi final? Similar for the no. 1 ranked team SA and Pakistan.
 
In ODI cricket Aus, Ind and Eng are far ahead. Saffers play modern Cricket but are weak. Bangladesh play modern cricket and are the 4th best side.

Pak are 20 yr behind, Lanka lack talent too. WI & Zimb are joke sides.
 
Is that why Australia have gone home and Bangladesh, from the same group, are in the semi final? Similar for the no. 1 ranked team SA and Pakistan.

Answer to your question is - Rain. I doubt Pakistan would have won that game against SA if it had gone 50 overs. And Bangles got their rear ends bailed out by rain against Australia. If rain had stayed away for 20 more minutes, Bangladesh would be on the flight to Dhaka by now.

But, its ok. Please cling to your version of reality. If you think ODIs can be won by weaker teams against stronger teams on the basis of a couple of wickets or a cameo, that's your choice.
 
In ODI cricket Aus, Ind and Eng are far ahead. Saffers play modern Cricket but are weak. Bangladesh play modern cricket and are the 4th best side.

Pak are 20 yr behind, Lanka lack talent too. WI & Zimb are joke sides.

So Bangladesh are "4th best". Ahead of South Africa as well now. That's funny. Riding the rain, Bangladesh fans will keep drumming this delusional nonsense for ages now.

If you put aside injuries, and the ODI series is played outside of Asia - I would give SL the edge over Bangladesh. Its close, but SL's rebuild is going well. Bangladesh are a very improved team, but they have a LOT to do before you can start claiming them as "4th best".
 
So Bangladesh are "4th best". Ahead of South Africa as well now. That's funny. Riding the rain, Bangladesh fans will keep drumming this delusional nonsense for ages now.

If you put aside injuries, and the ODI series is played outside of Asia - I would give SL the edge over Bangladesh. Its close, but SL's rebuild is going well. Bangladesh are a very improved team, but they have a LOT to do before you can start claiming them as "4th best".

Please be realistic. We are far superior to Pk and SL. NZ are our whipping boys. The teams who are in SF are there by merit - inc Pk. Bangladesh could have beaten Aus as they were tiring and Fizz was ready to roll them.
 
Answer to your question is - Rain. I doubt Pakistan would have won that game against SA if it had gone 50 overs. And Bangles got their rear ends bailed out by rain against Australia. If rain had stayed away for 20 more minutes, Bangladesh would be on the flight to Dhaka by now.

But, its ok. Please cling to your version of reality. If you think ODIs can be won by weaker teams against stronger teams on the basis of a couple of wickets or a cameo, that's your choice.
Haven't you just contradicted yourself? If it was as simple as "stronger teams always win", then why even bother having tournaments? Anyway, fact is Pakistan did beat SA, SL did beat India, Bangladesh did beat NZ, ie the "weaker" team in each case beat the "stronger" team, That's what the tournament tables state anyway. Hence similar occurrence happening again can't be ruled out (or in), either in the semis or in the final.
 
Please be realistic. We are far superior to Pk and SL. NZ are our whipping boys. The teams who are in SF are there by merit - inc Pk. Bangladesh could have beaten Aus as they were tiring and Fizz was ready to roll them.

I will give you the edge against Pak/SL - although I think SL's rebuild looks good, and I think they would beat Bangladesh if the game is played outside of Bang/SL.

Dude, are you serious about the Aus game? 5 more overs and you lot were on your way home. Have a bit of shame and honesty. You yourself admitted in your preposterous "4th best" claim that Aus is still better than your team.
 
Haven't you just contradicted yourself? If it was as simple as "stronger teams always win", then why even bother having tournaments? Anyway, fact is Pakistan did beat SA, SL did beat India, Bangladesh did beat NZ, ie the "weaker" team in each case beat the "stronger" team, That's what the tournament tables state anyway. Hence similar occurrence happening again can't be ruled out (or in), either in the semis or in the final.

Lightning can strike the same spot more than once. A person buying a lottery ticket with a billion to one odds, still has a chance to win. Anything can happen. :afridi1
 
I will give you the edge against Pak/SL - although I think SL's rebuild looks good, and I think they would beat Bangladesh if the game is played outside of Bang/SL.

Dude, are you serious about the Aus game? 5 more overs and you lot were on your way home. Have a bit of shame and honesty. You yourself admitted in your preposterous "4th best" claim that Aus is still better than your team.

Yes but in that 1 game we had them set up.
 
We've lost 12 out of the last 14 ODIs vs England so I'm not exactly optimistic. Bowling has to fire again as our batting is a country mile behind England's.
 
We've lost 12 out of the last 14 ODIs vs England so I'm not exactly optimistic. Bowling has to fire again as our batting is a country mile behind England's.

Make that 3 country miles.

It's not impossible, but anything above 270 and I think we're done for.
 
replace Azhar or Fahim with Sadab. no spinners or Imad for the first 15 overs.. attack England top order with amir, junaid and hasan ali. after 15 overs, unlease all the spinners until 45 over. finish the innings with pacers. England will not go past anything over 250.

while chasing, don't lose anything more than 2 wickets for first 15 overs.. then pick up pace and chase down remaining runs. it will be close for sure.

use the same formula for batting first.
 
Have to add [MENTION=141804]QalandarFan[/MENTION] to the spirit squad. He is very spirited and his fantasy scorecards give a lot of positivity.
[MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=100918]Square Drive[/MENTION] [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

what do you guys think? :afaq
 
People lost hope and turned their TVs off today! Posters stopped posting, everyone was ready to move on. Everyone except for the 5 of us, The Spirit Squad! The Squad kept believing! We put the Passion in PakPassion damnit! Of course we can stop England, just gotta believe and stay positive. [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]


:pkflag :pkflag

Those 'fans' can keep their TV's off whilst we watch Sarfraz lift the Chamions Trophy on the weekend inshAllah :inzi
 
[MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION] mubarak guys! we all ways had faith, I've said over the last few days and you can quote some old posts that the lanka game would be our toughest! I actually have no fear of England

We love Cardiff

Chased a 300+ target there last year alhumdullilah

Win toss

Bat first

Score 300

Bowl England out for 230-240

March on to the final InshAllah :D
 
Indeed... except the title itself is wrong!

The correct title should be: "Can England win against us, and how do they possibly stop us???" :akhtar

Coz the way I see it we only here to win and we're unstoppable!! :junaid :pakflag2 :pkflag

Oh hoyeeee!!

Reading your title made my heart rate pick up as I heard voices in my head singing Dil Dil Pakistan

:chacha
 
[MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=100918]Square Drive[/MENTION] [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

what do you guys think? :afaq

I think [MENTION=137148]Rayyman[/MENTION] wants to become a part of the #SpiritSquad before anything :yk

I don't know maybe Ray Ray and [MENTION=141804]QalandarFan[/MENTION] can replace a couple of us when we get old and retire from the Squad... though I'll probably be raising the green flag from my grave too :salute :pakflag2

Oh hoyeeee!!

Reading your title made my heart rate pick up as I heard voices in my head singing Dil Dil Pakistan

:chacha

I've done my job then! :pkflag

Take it in - just two wins away from the trophy bro. I'm getting great vibes iA.

Let's do this for Junaid Jamshed. Let's do this for Pakistan :pakflag2
 
Only way we can win is to restrict them to 250-290 score, think best way of trying to make it happen is to pack our side with bowlers - along with the 3 main seamers play 3 spinners in hafeez, imad and shadab. Hafeez and Imad can keep it tight and english batsmen have never faced shadab's variation before which could work for us. Fahim should also be picked for his ability to clear the short straight boundaries.

I'd want to surprise england with a pinch hitter somewhere too e.g.: amir when rashid is bowling in middle overs but realistically that ain't happening

1. Fakhar Zaman
2. Mohammad Hafeez
3. Babar Azam
4. Sarfaraz Ahmed
5. Shoiab Malik
6. Fahim Ashraf
7. Imad Wasim
8. Shadab Khan
9. M Amir
10. Hassan Ali
11. Junaid Khan
 
[MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=100918]Square Drive[/MENTION] [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

what do you guys think? :afaq

I like [MENTION=141804]QalandarFan[/MENTION], good lad. Wouldn't mind expanding the Spirit Squad, it's time for this faction to become bigger and better. Time to takeover this place. :afridi

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I don't know maybe Ray Ray and [MENTION=141804]QalandarFan[/MENTION] can replace a couple of us when we get old and retire from the Squad... though I'll probably be raising the green flag from my grave too :salute
Let's do this for Junaid Jamshed. Let's do this for Pakistan

I like [MENTION=141804]QalandarFan[/MENTION], good lad. Wouldn't mind expanding the Spirit Squad, it's time for this faction to become bigger and better. Time to takeover this place. :afridi
No haha :maqsood

Look at this quote from [MENTION=141804]QalandarFan[/MENTION]: "We are going to win this boys...No one will be able to stop our ferocious bowling right now not even England."
:mv
 
Hassan, Junaid and Amir needs to bowl too well and restrict them below 230. or Fakhar score 100 on 70 balls Azhar score 100 on 110 balls and the rest play over 150 strike rate.
 
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