What's new

Canada election: Trudeau's Liberals win but loses majority

Several days on Jagmeet Singh supporters are acting as if he's played a blinder here - yet his party lost 20 seats and only polled 16% of the national vote (the NDP's worst share of the vote for 15 years).

Can any Canada based PP'ers help explain the hype?

NDP is doing far worse under leadership of Jagmeet Singh. I mean they literally lost 40% off seats from previous election and yet he was doing a victory dance on stage during post election conference. It sums up why NDP have been struggling ever since he became the leader. In 2011 elections NDP were official opposition and were considered a rising force and now they are literally nobody. Maybe, we are not ready to elect brown guy with turban as our next PM.
 
NDP made a blunder by making Jagmeet their leader. I think they lost many votes due to him.

It has something to do with racism but also Jagmeet's stubborn personality. To be fair, NDP is a very stubborn party and I don't expect Jagmeet to be any different.
 
Poll got it wrong (just like 2016 US election). They had Conservatives leading.

Congratulations to Trudeau.

The polls was always going to be wrong. The average of age person that participated in the telephone survey was 55 years old and they conducted over landlines. This means most of u-30 year old never partcipated. Scheer also started sound very fake and lame. It was very cheesey and sounded like the annoying kid that snitched his students to the teacher.

NDP made a blunder by making Jagmeet their leader. I think they lost many votes due to him.

It has something to do with racism but also Jagmeet's stubborn personality. To be fair, NDP is a very stubborn party and I don't expect Jagmeet to be any different.

Jagmeet did very well, he gained a lot of popularity after his appearance. You cant compare the impact of Jakc Layton who became popular in his 3rd try when Liberal was at its weakest vs the current situation.

Several days on Jagmeet Singh supporters are acting as if he's played a blinder here - yet his party lost 20 seats and only polled 16% of the national vote (the NDP's worst share of the vote for 15 years).

Can any Canada based PP'ers help explain the hype?

Jagmeet became the cool guy among youths. It was never going to conver into vote. I thought Jagmeet was cool but I'm not letting Scheer get in and I know Jagmeet has no chance so like me most engaged in strategic voting. Trudeau also won because of that last term when it was "Anyone but harper".
 
Last edited by a moderator:
NDP is doing far worse under leadership of Jagmeet Singh. I mean they literally lost 40% off seats from previous election and yet he was doing a victory dance on stage during post election conference. It sums up why NDP have been struggling ever since he became the leader. In 2011 elections NDP were official opposition and were considered a rising force and now they are literally nobody. Maybe, we are not ready to elect brown guy with turban as our next PM.



Several days on Jagmeet Singh supporters are acting as if he's played a blinder here - yet his party lost 20 seats and only polled 16% of the national vote (the NDP's worst share of the vote for 15 years).

Can any Canada based PP'ers help explain the hype?

These are pretty poor assessments of Jagmeet's performance, anybody that thinks he hasn't done a good job in these elections are either being dishonest or seriously lack understanding of how elections work. There are plenty of people who liked Jagmeet and would've voted for him however they chose to vote for Trudeau strategically cause they didn't want conservative government - [MENTION=139288]Abdul[/MENTION] is one such member on here that voted for Trudeau despite being a Jagmeet stan and I have a lot of family in the 905 that would've voted for his party had the conservatives not been polling so close to Trudeau in the surveys. So strategic voting and Trudeau's larger than life personality cost him the election, heck I'd suggest that Jagmeet would've won had anybody else been leading the liberals.

I understand why some Indian posters are gleeful about Jagmeet "losing" these elections, it's cause of his Khaalistani background and rightful criticism of the Indian govt but in reality he is far from a loser in these elections and people that say he's winner understand that he can/will play an important role in allowing Trudeau to form a government.

I was speaking to my friend as well and this is what is the conclusion: Even thought they had 90 some seats in 2011 they couldnt be in ruling govn, with 50s in 2015 same result but with 20 something they will be in the ruling govn lol.. so yeah parliamentary democracy there for you...
I'm not sure if you understand but he'll be in the government despite his party winning much fewer seats than last time cause the Liberals couldn't win a majority - previously they could've formed on their own, when you don't have an outright majority you're forced to form a minority govt with other parties and you usually choose parties that are ideologically the closest to yours. I guess you can say that Jagmeet succeeded in putting his party in a position to negotiate for a govt.
 
These are pretty poor assessments of Jagmeet's performance, anybody that thinks he hasn't done a good job in these elections are either being dishonest or seriously lack understanding of how elections work. There are plenty of people who liked Jagmeet and would've voted for him however they chose to vote for Trudeau strategically cause they didn't want conservative government - [MENTION=139288]Abdul[/MENTION] is one such member on here that voted for Trudeau despite being a Jagmeet stan and I have a lot of family in the 905 that would've voted for his party had the conservatives not been polling so close to Trudeau in the surveys. So strategic voting and Trudeau's larger than life personality cost him the election, heck I'd suggest that Jagmeet would've won had anybody else been leading the liberals.

I understand why some Indian posters are gleeful about Jagmeet "losing" these elections, it's cause of his Khaalistani background and rightful criticism of the Indian govt but in reality he is far from a loser in these elections and people that say he's winner understand that he can/will play an important role in allowing Trudeau to form a government.


I'm not sure if you understand but he'll be in the government despite his party winning much fewer seats than last time cause the Liberals couldn't win a majority - previously they could've formed on their own, when you don't have an outright majority you're forced to form a minority govt with other parties and you usually choose parties that are ideologically the closest to yours. I guess you can say that Jagmeet succeeded in putting his party in a position to negotiate for a govt.

You should get a job as his spin doctor. :)

He's not going to be in government - Trudeau is going to form a minority government.

Sure circumstances have been kind to the NDP and they'll have some influence in parliament despite the poor seat numbers, as Trudeau will need their support to help pass through legislation, but to suggest that the NDP did well is disingenuous at best.

In 2004 the NDP won 16% of the national vote and got 16 seats; in 2006 it was 17% and 29 seats; in 2008 18% and 37; in 2011 31% and 103; in 2015 20% and 44 and now this time 16% of the vote and 24 seats.

Yet people are seriously painting this as them having 'done well'. Tactical voting or not that's a poor election campaign in anyone's books.
 
These are pretty poor assessments of Jagmeet's performance, anybody that thinks he hasn't done a good job in these elections are either being dishonest or seriously lack understanding of how elections work. There are plenty of people who liked Jagmeet and would've voted for him however they chose to vote for Trudeau strategically cause they didn't want conservative government - [MENTION=139288]Abdul[/MENTION] is one such member on here that voted for Trudeau despite being a Jagmeet stan and I have a lot of family in the 905 that would've voted for his party had the conservatives not been polling so close to Trudeau in the surveys. So strategic voting and Trudeau's larger than life personality cost him the election, heck I'd suggest that Jagmeet would've won had anybody else been leading the liberals.

I understand why some Indian posters are gleeful about Jagmeet "losing" these elections, it's cause of his Khaalistani background and rightful criticism of the Indian govt but in reality he is far from a loser in these elections and people that say he's winner understand that he can/will play an important role in allowing Trudeau to form a government.


I'm not sure if you understand but he'll be in the government despite his party winning much fewer seats than last time cause the Liberals couldn't win a majority - previously they could've formed on their own, when you don't have an outright majority you're forced to form a minority govt with other parties and you usually choose parties that are ideologically the closest to yours. I guess you can say that Jagmeet succeeded in putting his party in a position to negotiate for a govt.

I know how a parliamentary democracy works, Im from one thats why we came to that conclusion..
 
P
These are pretty poor assessments of Jagmeet's performance, anybody that thinks he hasn't done a good job in these elections are either being dishonest or seriously lack understanding of how elections work. There are plenty of people who liked Jagmeet and would've voted for him however they chose to vote for Trudeau strategically cause they didn't want conservative government - [MENTION=139288]Abdul[/MENTION] is one such member on here that voted for Trudeau despite being a Jagmeet stan and I have a lot of family in the 905 that would've voted for his party had the conservatives not been polling so close to Trudeau in the surveys. So strategic voting and Trudeau's larger than life personality cost him the election, heck I'd suggest that Jagmeet would've won had anybody else been leading the liberals.

I understand why some Indian posters are gleeful about Jagmeet "losing" these elections, it's cause of his Khaalistani background and rightful criticism of the Indian govt but in reality he is far from a loser in these elections and people that say he's winner understand that he can/will play an important role in allowing Trudeau to form a government.


I'm not sure if you understand but he'll be in the government despite his party winning much fewer seats than last time cause the Liberals couldn't win a majority - previously they could've formed on their own, when you don't have an outright majority you're forced to form a minority govt with other parties and you usually choose parties that are ideologically the closest to yours. I guess you can say that Jagmeet succeeded in putting his party in a position to negotiate for a govt.


Based on your posts on this thread alone i can say who has the lack of understanding of Canadian politics and Canada in general. Based on one poster you came to conclusion that most would’ve voted for Jagmeet but didn’t is ridiculous. They didn’t voted for him, and this what it matters in the end.
Even pre poll suggested that NDP would get roughly around 14-16% of votes which they did. NDP’s biggest vote bank is southern BC and parts of Vancouver, and outside of that they are proven failure. At the moment they are official opposition in provincial govt of Ontario, and they are doing absolutely hideous job. They are making Doug Ford look saint in comparison. Not to mention their Govt in Saskatchewan was not short of joke, which was thrown out in following election and rightly so. NDP rose to popularity under Mulcair and had their best election under his election in history. Now we all know where NDP stands.

I will take conservative anyday everyday over NON-DIRECTION PARTY. Im so glad Trudeau decided to form minority govt instead of coalition with NDP
 
Glad my boy Trudeau held onto the seat, can't have Harper-lite Sheer coming in and ruining it all for the minorities. If you see the voting map of the Canada's best and most multicultural city, Toronto, it is all red.
 
Based on your posts on this thread alone i can say who has the lack of understanding of Canadian politics and Canada in general. Based on one poster you came to conclusion that most would’ve voted for Jagmeet but didn’t is ridiculous. They didn’t voted for him, and this what it matters in the end.
Even pre poll suggested that NDP would get roughly around 14-16% of votes which they did. NDP’s biggest vote bank is southern BC and parts of Vancouver, and outside of that they are proven failure. At the moment they are official opposition in provincial govt of Ontario, and they are doing absolutely hideous job. They are making Doug Ford look saint in comparison. Not to mention their Govt in Saskatchewan was not short of joke, which was thrown out in following election and rightly so. NDP rose to popularity under Mulcair and had their best election under his election in history. Now we all know where NDP stands.

I will take conservative anyday everyday over NON-DIRECTION PARTY. Im so glad Trudeau decided to form minority govt instead of coalition with NDP

I agree with your post 100%.

NDP is a terrible party that can't provide any practical solution. There's a reason why they never won the federal election.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Left behind: Why do Jagmeet Singh and the NDP seem so happy about the party’s crushing defeat? <a href="https://t.co/np7mzw9XDb">https://t.co/np7mzw9XDb</a> <a href="https://t.co/Si4SOeWDWV">pic.twitter.com/Si4SOeWDWV</a></p>— Globe Opinion (@GlobeDebate) <a href="https://twitter.com/GlobeDebate/status/1187793219393712128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 25, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
P


Based on your posts on this thread alone i can say who has the lack of understanding of Canadian politics and Canada in general. Based on one poster you came to conclusion that most would’ve voted for Jagmeet but didn’t is ridiculous. They didn’t voted for him, and this what it matters in the end.
Even pre poll suggested that NDP would get roughly around 14-16% of votes which they did. NDP’s biggest vote bank is southern BC and parts of Vancouver, and outside of that they are proven failure. At the moment they are official opposition in provincial govt of Ontario, and they are doing absolutely hideous job. They are making Doug Ford look saint in comparison. Not to mention their Govt in Saskatchewan was not short of joke, which was thrown out in following election and rightly so. NDP rose to popularity under Mulcair and had their best election under his election in history. Now we all know where NDP stands.

I will take conservative anyday everyday over NON-DIRECTION PARTY. Im so glad Trudeau decided to form minority govt instead of coalition with NDP

Blasting someone else for not knowing their politics and then getting it wrong ourselves eh? Best years of NDP electorally was 2011 under Jack Layton when they were official opposition in federal government. Even though this was their worst showing in 3 election cycles, they are now in power of influence on policy which they were not even in 2011. So they can and will push the Liberals on such issues as National Pharmacare and the Liberals know they need NDP's support to stay in power and avoid another election. So yes, while this is the worst NDP showing in a while but it has led them to being more powerful. Funny how politic works.

You claim the NDP opposition is doing a bad job in ON and make Doug Ford look like a saint? So the guy who is passing all the bad policies and was so unpopular that Scheer refused to share the stage or be seen with him is better than ON NDP who are simply in opposition and have no say in policy? Perhaps it's an NDP bias at play here.

I have voted for all 3 (Tories, Liberals and NDP) in my life so I don't have any ideological love for one particular party. I also lived through the NDP rule in AB and I can tell you their approach was miles better than the AB Tories. Anytime we met the Tories, it was a bunch of white boys who were previously farmers or small business owners and knew little about community building or other cultures (and often didn't care). NDP went out of its way to reach out to non white communities and support them with words and action. In addition, NDP was trying to diversify from Oil and Gas in AB knowing it's a dying industry in addition to investing in new hospitals, schools, etc. Whereas the new right wing gov't in AB just gave a huge tax break to the oil and gas companies (who in turn laid off 27,000 employees lol) and then cut down on post secondary education and infrastructure (just happened yesterday). The right wing party in AB was in power for over 40 years in AB and squandered the greatest wealth in the history of Canada and yet the gullible public is led to believe that somehow 4 years of NDP rule in AB was worse. You can't make this stuff up.
 
Blasting someone else for not knowing their politics and then getting it wrong ourselves eh? Best years of NDP electorally was 2011 under Jack Layton when they were official opposition in federal government. Even though this was their worst showing in 3 election cycles, they are now in power of influence on policy which they were not even in 2011. So they can and will push the Liberals on such issues as National Pharmacare and the Liberals know they need NDP's support to stay in power and avoid another election. So yes, while this is the worst NDP showing in a while but it has led them to being more powerful. Funny how politic works.

You claim the NDP opposition is doing a bad job in ON and make Doug Ford look like a saint? So the guy who is passing all the bad policies and was so unpopular that Scheer refused to share the stage or be seen with him is better than ON NDP who are simply in opposition and have no say in policy? Perhaps it's an NDP bias at play here.

I have voted for all 3 (Tories, Liberals and NDP) in my life so I don't have any ideological love for one particular party. I also lived through the NDP rule in AB and I can tell you their approach was miles better than the AB Tories. Anytime we met the Tories, it was a bunch of white boys who were previously farmers or small business owners and knew little about community building or other cultures (and often didn't care). NDP went out of its way to reach out to non white communities and support them with words and action. In addition, NDP was trying to diversify from Oil and Gas in AB knowing it's a dying industry in addition to investing in new hospitals, schools, etc. Whereas the new right wing gov't in AB just gave a huge tax break to the oil and gas companies (who in turn laid off 27,000 employees lol) and then cut down on post secondary education and infrastructure (just happened yesterday). The right wing party in AB was in power for over 40 years in AB and squandered the greatest wealth in the history of Canada and yet the gullible public is led to believe that somehow 4 years of NDP rule in AB was worse. You can't make this stuff up.

Oh please keep your NDP to love to yourself. We Ontarians are literally tired of it which is why we didn’t even voted for them.

NDP is literally far too left and their policies in ON have been nothing short of a joke. Every bill Ford try to passes, they would throw tantrum and would eventually been escorted out by law enforcement. Just recently their stupidity of calling a strike in colleges effected a students to a great extent which impacted in their studies. But it’s too hard for NDP goons to understand that.

As far as what NDP done AB is not my forte. I lack much info in regard to their policies in AB and history of NDP govt in AB. I have seen their govt in SK when I was living there and believe me it was probably worst lost of locals have seen, which is why they lost in next.

I was explaining the same that NDP had best year in 2011 when they won 90 odd seats in 2011 Federal election and were official opposition ahead of liberals.
Please point me in my previous thread I mentioned AB and NDP. I was only pointing out their stupid policies effecting Ontario and Saskatchewan.

I hate Doug Ford and I can’t wait to see him leave but it doesn’t mean I would welcome NDP goons.

Even in current federal government they are not part of it. Trudeau went ahead to form a minority government without forming a coalition with NDP. Maybe close door deal was off for some reason? The only policy I like about NDP is national pharmacare.
 
Last edited:
Blasting someone else for not knowing their politics and then getting it wrong ourselves eh? Best years of NDP electorally was 2011 under Jack Layton when they were official opposition in federal government. Even though this was their worst showing in 3 election cycles, they are now in power of influence on policy which they were not even in 2011. So they can and will push the Liberals on such issues as National Pharmacare and the Liberals know they need NDP's support to stay in power and avoid another election. So yes, while this is the worst NDP showing in a while but it has led them to being more powerful. Funny how politic works.

You claim the NDP opposition is doing a bad job in ON and make Doug Ford look like a saint? So the guy who is passing all the bad policies and was so unpopular that Scheer refused to share the stage or be seen with him is better than ON NDP who are simply in opposition and have no say in policy? Perhaps it's an NDP bias at play here.

I have voted for all 3 (Tories, Liberals and NDP) in my life so I don't have any ideological love for one particular party. I also lived through the NDP rule in AB and I can tell you their approach was miles better than the AB Tories. Anytime we met the Tories, it was a bunch of white boys who were previously farmers or small business owners and knew little about community building or other cultures (and often didn't care). NDP went out of its way to reach out to non white communities and support them with words and action. In addition, NDP was trying to diversify from Oil and Gas in AB knowing it's a dying industry in addition to investing in new hospitals, schools, etc. Whereas the new right wing gov't in AB just gave a huge tax break to the oil and gas companies (who in turn laid off 27,000 employees lol) and then cut down on post secondary education and infrastructure (just happened yesterday). The right wing party in AB was in power for over 40 years in AB and squandered the greatest wealth in the history of Canada and yet the gullible public is led to believe that somehow 4 years of NDP rule in AB was worse. You can't make this stuff up.

I agree some NDP policies in AB was better but how can you diversify AB from Oil and Gas. Totally disagree that it is a dying industry. Sooner or later people will find out how harmful lithium battery production is to the environment and we are going to be back to square one. NDP did implement green technology initiation that helped oil and gas industry go green (basically reduce their emission by upto 80%). But while the whole world is getting the benefits of oil and gas and it’s wealth, alberta has been reeling without access to market. One of the major culprit was the ndp (not AB, but federal and BC). How can you have this much disunity among your own party? Alberta is still the economic engine of the country with 70% exports in oil and gas. Isn’t it wise to ensure the oil gets to market as it is green and ethical oil and not Saudi or Armenian dirty and unethical oil that Quebec is getting.

In all, I felt bad for Notley leaving. She realized later what was best for AB, but it was too late then.
 
[MONTREAL] Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Friday slammed "unacceptable" attacks on Canadians of Asian origin, who have been the target of increasing abuse since the outbreak of the coronavirus.

Mr Trudeau denounced the "significant increase in acts of racism against Asian Canadians" during his daily press briefing.

"Over the past few weeks and months, businesses, buildings and statues have been vandalised, people have been verbally abused and physically attacked. It's unacceptable. Hate, violence and discrimination have no place in Canada," he said.

In Vancouver, a Chinese cultural centre in Chinatown was recently spray painted with racist graffiti.

Police in the western city have reported "an increase in reports of anti-Asian hate-motivated incidents and criminal acts" since the outbreak of the virus.

Since the beginning of the year there have been 20 anti-Asian attacks reported to police there, against 12 in the whole of 2019. Of those, 15 were in April.

At the start of month, veteran Canadian rocker Bryan Adams had to apologise for making remarks on social media that were criticized for fueling anti-Chinese sentiment.

Such attacks have been on the rise around the world since the virus was first detected in China in late 2019, with more and more Asians or people of Asian origin having to face anti-Chinese outbursts.

At the end of March, US President Donald Trump said it was "very important that we totally protect our Asian American community in the United States," insisting that the virus was "not their fault in any way, shape or form."

He had previously been criticised for continuously referring to Covid-19 as the "Chinese virus."

https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/go...ader-trudeau-slams-rise-in-anti-asian-attacks
 
I'm getting the sense from outside that people are slowly starting to lose more faith in Trudeau, I suppose parallel to the rise of Trump. Any Canadians on here that can confirm whether or not I'm talking rubbish?
 
I'm getting the sense from outside that people are slowly starting to lose more faith in Trudeau, I suppose parallel to the rise of Trump. Any Canadians on here that can confirm whether or not I'm talking rubbish?

Lot of us can’t wait for him to resign before he take the national debt to new low.

Doug Ford would make a better PM
 
I'm getting the sense from outside that people are slowly starting to lose more faith in Trudeau, I suppose parallel to the rise of Trump. Any Canadians on here that can confirm whether or not I'm talking rubbish?

His popularity has gone down but I think he still has enough supporters.

He may win again.
 
Last edited:
Doug Ford will not be better than him, Doug ford will not be better than my shoe or a donkey.

I would take anyone over Trudeau, and Doug Ford is at the moment getting lot of praises from us Ontarians.
As i said, Trudeau hasnt exactly done anything good. Look at Thorncliffe Park Dr, recent crime rates going up. One of my cousin neigbour (a syrian refugee) had ties to IS, was arrested for gun related crime.

Now, if you think Ford is worse than your shoe, than i cant imagine where exactly will Trudeau be, perhaps in the dump!
 
Doug Ford is not charismatic enough to be a federal candidate. Politics has become all about charisma.

If your PM has to be Charismatic regardless of performance as a PM and country’s progress then i can see why Desis legit dont use brain while Voting. Its like Sheep, just blindly follow everyone else. Smh
 
His popularity has gone down but I think he still has enough supporters.

He may win again.


I know many Liberal voters including my family are praising Doug Ford and his excellent job in dealing with Covid. Pre-Covid Ford and his govt were least likeable bunch, but now they are for sure to win again.

I have a feeling Trudeau’s Govt won’t last long and we might see election perhaps next year. If Conservatives elect Ford like leader, i dont see Trudeau coming to power again(minority or not)
 
I'm getting the sense from outside that people are slowly starting to lose more faith in Trudeau, I suppose parallel to the rise of Trump. Any Canadians on here that can confirm whether or not I'm talking rubbish?

Lot of us can’t wait for him to resign before he take the national debt to new low.

Doug Ford would make a better PM

I voted for Trudeau in 2015, but not in 2019. Issue is, Trudeau is pretty good with immigration policies and minority rights. But that is pretty much it. National debt now tops 200 Billion. Trudeau ka baap Wont balance the budget. This would be paid by someone like me, a person from working class, through taxes. Never in a history of a developed country, a leader accumulated national debt when worldwide economic situation was booming or stable. Trudeau accumulates 120 billion in debt and that was Before the covid crisis.

Unfortunately, if conservatives come over, they would do so many cuts in order to balance the budget (makes sense). And people would start hating on them for cutting and chopping gazillion programs just because the previous govt messed up the economy and piled debt. We saw this when Doug Ford took over onterio from the garbage leader called Kathleen Wynn.

It is tkme there should be a uniform policy for economy. Under Trudeau the Canadian dollar suffered and we became poor, taxes increased as well. How is that good for a hard working common canadian ?
 
I would take anyone over Trudeau, and Doug Ford is at the moment getting lot of praises from us Ontarians.
As i said, Trudeau hasnt exactly done anything good. Look at Thorncliffe Park Dr, recent crime rates going up. One of my cousin neigbour (a syrian refugee) had ties to IS, was arrested for gun related crime.

Now, if you think Ford is worse than your shoe, than i cant imagine where exactly will Trudeau be, perhaps in the dump!

lol, I do hate that he couldn't get the gas pipeline built but again Doug ford is .. . any case I don’t have voting rights so my opinion matters zilch.
 
If your PM has to be Charismatic regardless of performance as a PM and country’s progress then i can see why Desis legit dont use brain while Voting. Its like Sheep, just blindly follow everyone else. Smh

It is what it is.

Look at Trump. He won because he could convince people. His policies are generally impractical. Trudeau is left-wing Trump.

I am not saying this is how it should be. All I am saying is charisma is a factor.
 
So it seems the lack of an alernative candidate is as big an issue as Trudeau himself.
 
It is what it is.

Look at Trump. He won because he could convince people. His policies are generally impractical. Trudeau is left-wing Trump.

I am not saying this is how it should be. All I am saying is charisma is a factor.

Trump maybe an Idiot and lack proper communication skills, but that dude has put the ‘American First’ priorities which has improved American economy. It just the pathetic media(Dems backed) that are constantly bickering about him. I have families in US and they all are Democrats voter but even they are admitting that under Trump economy have improved.

I would rather have Trump than Trudeau who is literally giving away money to even illegal aliens in Canada( who don’t even pay taxes).

This is what our Charismatic PM is going to do, as soon as Covid restrictions is lifted, he will import gazillion immigrants from overseas who will be fighting for the same job as millions of unemployed Canadians like us, eventually employers will lower the wage, whereas rent and other expenses will go up due to increase in demand.
Ever since, Mr Justin ‘Charismatic’ Trudeau came to office in 2015, our economy started going downhill, jobs lost, debt increased, and rent and other expenses went multi fold. Now it seems luxury to even consider of buying a condo in suburbs of Toronto( don’t even get me started of downtown prices). Why do you think there is so much gap between income and expenses? Do you still want PM to be just charismatic or rather having someone with basic knowledge of balancing income and expenses? Doug Ford is someone who will put Canadian priorities before doing some charity work outside. Just recently, Trudeau gave away another $50M to WHO whereas millions of Canadians are struggling at home. Talk about priorities.
#FordNation
 
So it seems the lack of an alernative candidate is as big an issue as Trudeau himself.

You’re right, current conservative leader Andrew Scheer isn’t really leader material, plus he being American citizen as well makes him ‘American Agent’. If Doug Ford or anyone with good knowledge competes for PM, then we might see change in power.

As of now we have Jagmeet Singh and Scheer as alternative options.
 
lol, I do hate that he couldn't get the gas pipeline built but again Doug ford is .. . any case I don’t have voting rights so my opinion matters zilch.
You’re hating on Ford for reason unknown. I’m not sure if you’re in Ontario, but if you’re then you would see for yourself how he have been literally keeping ‘Ontarian First’ as his # 1 priorities. Trudeau is like a child who would do things to please a bully( China, US) but would ignore his own priorities( Canadians)
 
Trudeau will likely win again.

Conservatives are out of sorts at the federal level and will need a decade to put things right. No sensible person can look at their leadership structure and vote for it.

The double whammy of a leader desperately using race-based tactics (Harper) followed by a weak one (Scheer) has left them reeling.
 
Trump maybe an Idiot and lack proper communication skills, but that dude has put the ‘American First’ priorities which has improved American economy. It just the pathetic media(Dems backed) that are constantly bickering about him. I have families in US and they all are Democrats voter but even they are admitting that under Trump economy have improved.

I would rather have Trump than Trudeau who is literally giving away money to even illegal aliens in Canada( who don’t even pay taxes).

This is what our Charismatic PM is going to do, as soon as Covid restrictions is lifted, he will import gazillion immigrants from overseas who will be fighting for the same job as millions of unemployed Canadians like us, eventually employers will lower the wage, whereas rent and other expenses will go up due to increase in demand.
Ever since, Mr Justin ‘Charismatic’ Trudeau came to office in 2015, our economy started going downhill, jobs lost, debt increased, and rent and other expenses went multi fold. Now it seems luxury to even consider of buying a condo in suburbs of Toronto( don’t even get me started of downtown prices). Why do you think there is so much gap between income and expenses? Do you still want PM to be just charismatic or rather having someone with basic knowledge of balancing income and expenses? Doug Ford is someone who will put Canadian priorities before doing some charity work outside. Just recently, Trudeau gave away another $50M to WHO whereas millions of Canadians are struggling at home. Talk about priorities.
#FordNation

TOP POST! I share the same sentiments. $50M to WHO while Canadians are out of work. COME ON! I mean sure the inclusion and diversity is great and Trudeau's social policy is fantastic, but his team have no idea how to manage economy. We are going to pay increased taxes for next 15 yeas to balance the budget.

Harper got so much flak but he managed economy very well. Canadians were rich back then thanks to high dollar and he was the one who introduced TFSA which is pretty amazing. If Doug Ford is similar then he has my support while I sit in Alberta. Trudeau's policies have completely destroyed the oil industry in Canada which employs more than 1.5 MM canadians Canada wide, perks of which is enjoyed even in Quebec. I hope we do get elections again soon and change in leadership.
 
Trudeau will likely win again.

Conservatives are out of sorts at the federal level and will need a decade to put things right. No sensible person can look at their leadership structure and vote for it.

The double whammy of a leader desperately using race-based tactics (Harper) followed by a weak one (Scheer) has left them reeling.

Pierre Poilievre is pretty good, i see him as potential leader of Conservatives, plus he is not a racist like Harper or Scheer.
 
You’re hating on Ford for reason unknown. I’m not sure if you’re in Ontario, but if you’re then you would see for yourself how he have been literally keeping ‘Ontarian First’ as his # 1 priorities. Trudeau is like a child who would do things to please a bully( China, US) but would ignore his own priorities( Canadians)

Well I haven’t been there in 3 months maybe he handled Covid better, I’m no fan of Trudeau it’s just that never liked the ford brothers.

Economically conservatives are better but the first thing Ford attacked was education programs when he had come to power.
 
'Stand up to Trump' Canadians tell Trudeau

Canadian protesters chanted "Stand up to Trump!" to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau as he joined thousands at an anti-racism rally on Friday and took a knee alongside protesters.

Trudeau, wearing a black mask and surrounded by bodyguards, made a surprise appearance at the "No justice = No peace" rally in front of Parliament. His appearance came a day after police shot and killed an Indigenous woman during a wellness check in eastern Canada.

Trudeau three times took a knee alongside other protesters, a gesture used to protest against police brutality and the treatment of African-Americans by police. Afterward, several people thanked Trudeau for kneeling.

Trudeau did not speak at the rally Friday and left as the protesters began a march to the US Embassy, near the Parliament building.
 
Canadian police arrest armed man near Trudeau's residence in Ottawa; Trudeau was not home

OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canadian police arrested an armed man early on Thursday who had gained access to an exclusive part of Ottawa where Prime Minister Justin Trudeau lives, though Trudeau was not home at the time, officials said.

Trudeau and his family are based in a large house on the grounds of Rideau Hall, the residence of Governor General Julie Payette, the official representative of head of state Queen Elizabeth. Rideau Hall sits on an 88-acre (0.35 square km) wooded estate.

“At approximately 6:40 this morning (1040 GMT), an armed man was able to access the grounds ... the Prime Minister and the Governor General were not present at the moment of the incident,” the Royal Canadian Mounted Police said on Twitter.

“The man was arrested shortly after without any incident. He is currently in custody and is being interviewed,” it added, saying criminal charges were pending.

A spokesman for Trudeau confirmed that the 48-year-old prime minister was not at home at the time. Trudeau, who is married with three children, also has access to a summer house about 22 miles (35 km) northwest of Ottawa.

Unlike the United States, where four presidents have been assassinated since 1865, there is almost no history of serious political violence in Canada.

The one exception was in 1970, when a radical group seeking independence for Quebec kidnapped the Canadian province’s deputy premier and later killed him.

Trudeau donned a bulletproof vest for an election campaign rally in October last year after officials detected a security threat.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-in-ottawa-trudeau-was-not-home-idUSKBN24327H
 
Pierre Poilievre is pretty good, i see him as potential leader of Conservatives, plus he is not a racist like Harper or Scheer.

They just chose Erin O'Toole. The same guy who lost to Scheer last time.

:broad

Conservatives continue to outdo themselves.
 
Pierre Poilievre is pretty good, i see him as potential leader of Conservatives, plus he is not a racist like Harper or Scheer.

Doesn't matter, in order to succeed as a conservative establishment you have work with people that do share the ideology of the party top brass, he may not be racist but his appointments will be.
 
They just chose Erin O'Toole. The same guy who lost to Scheer last time.

:broad

Conservatives continue to outdo themselves.

Doesn't matter, in order to succeed as a conservative establishment you have work with people that do share the ideology of the party top brass, he may not be racist but his appointments will be.

Erin might be a better pick than someone like Peter Mackay. Seems like Erin O'Toole heard what I've been mentioning about inclusion and diversity for so long. He is not anti-LTGBQ and has embraced it, a montrealer who is accepted in Ontario. Not that bad of a choice but certainly he should learn a thing or two from someone like Doug Ford as to how to win elections in Ontario. Visit the mosques, temples, churches. Embrace the diversity like Trudeau did. Let people see that both parties have same diversity policy, and then it would be an obvious economic policy pick for people. We all know how bad Trudeau govt is faring in that.
 
Erin might be a better pick than someone like Peter Mackay. Seems like Erin O'Toole heard what I've been mentioning about inclusion and diversity for so long. He is not anti-LTGBQ and has embraced it, a montrealer who is accepted in Ontario. Not that bad of a choice but certainly he should learn a thing or two from someone like Doug Ford as to how to win elections in Ontario. Visit the mosques, temples, churches. Embrace the diversity like Trudeau did. Let people see that both parties have same diversity policy, and then it would be an obvious economic policy pick for people. We all know how bad Trudeau govt is faring in that.

What do you think about CERB? Do you think Trudeau botched it up? There have been many frauds and those frauds have cost Canada almost $500-million.
 
What do you think about CERB? Do you think Trudeau botched it up? There have been many frauds and those frauds have cost Canada almost $500-million.

Well botching up is not new. Such discrepancies happen during such times. I honestly don't blame the govt for introducing CERB. My issue is, that since 2015-2020, while the world economy was booming, Canada was keeping as much deficit as possible, which in economic terms does not make sense at all. WHen things are good you keep a surplus, money for rainy days such as 2020. Unfortunately, we would've been at $20B CAD deficit right now rather than $2T.

I fear we (working class in Canada) would be paying for this for atleast the next 15 years.

Put in the corruption charges in the liberal party, lack in investment in Canada due to corporate tax, lack of investment in traditional money making sectors, I fear the worst for Canada right now.

Don't forget I am not including the exceptionally high Real Estate prices in 2 Canadian regions (Vancouver, Toronto) which is unsustainable.

Now if conservatives come, they are going to be true conservatives and try to work towards balancing the budget by doing massive cuts in several sections. That irks people off too (i remember Doug Ford did the same by reducing council seats in Toronto, cutting some educations programs, etc.). I don't blame such a govt because the problem was created by the previous govt.

However, its hard to keep positive right now. I fear no matter which govt comes, our taxes is bound to increase thanks to the massive historic deficit.

Keeping all this in mind, do we really care if the govt acknowledges our background/religion/Sexual orientation openly? I personally don't care, as I have a family to feed. This thing takes a back burner for me for now.
 
Well botching up is not new. Such discrepancies happen during such times. I honestly don't blame the govt for introducing CERB. My issue is, that since 2015-2020, while the world economy was booming, Canada was keeping as much deficit as possible, which in economic terms does not make sense at all. WHen things are good you keep a surplus, money for rainy days such as 2020. Unfortunately, we would've been at $20B CAD deficit right now rather than $2T.

I fear we (working class in Canada) would be paying for this for atleast the next 15 years.

Put in the corruption charges in the liberal party, lack in investment in Canada due to corporate tax, lack of investment in traditional money making sectors, I fear the worst for Canada right now.

Don't forget I am not including the exceptionally high Real Estate prices in 2 Canadian regions (Vancouver, Toronto) which is unsustainable.

Now if conservatives come, they are going to be true conservatives and try to work towards balancing the budget by doing massive cuts in several sections. That irks people off too (i remember Doug Ford did the same by reducing council seats in Toronto, cutting some educations programs, etc.). I don't blame such a govt because the problem was created by the previous govt.

However, its hard to keep positive right now. I fear no matter which govt comes, our taxes is bound to increase thanks to the massive historic deficit.

Keeping all this in mind, do we really care if the govt acknowledges our background/religion/Sexual orientation openly? I personally don't care, as I have a family to feed. This thing takes a back burner for me for now.

I think CERB should've had stricter criteria. They could've saved hundreds of millions. There are people who have received payments twice.
 
I think CERB should've had stricter criteria. They could've saved hundreds of millions. There are people who have received payments twice.

why is it an issue though? In America, everyone recieved a $1200 stimulus check and those that were furloughed -which was millions of people, recieved unemployment plus an extra $600/week for 5 months and now that's been reduced to $400/week. I thought Canada was more generous than America.
 
CERB fraud is not as big of a deal as others may think. $80B has been given out in CERB, out of which it is estimated $0.5B has been fraudulent which is essentially a drop in the bucket lol. The government is already aware and knows who they are so they will get the money back either way when they do their taxes next year or go after them directly right now.

Government prioritized quick supply of money ASAP hence the lack of screening which was required as we had millions furloughed in span of a month, and it would have been a bureaucratic mess/hell-hole if they went through the due process to verify (ex. look at the US where some had to wait months just for a single 1200 cheque, where as in Canada 2k a month was given and arrived in 2-3 days).
 
why is it an issue though? In America, everyone recieved a $1200 stimulus check and those that were furloughed -which was millions of people, recieved unemployment plus an extra $600/week for 5 months and now that's been reduced to $400/week. I thought Canada was more generous than America.

I was referring to frauds. Those who took advantage on purpose. I wasn't referring to regular people.
 
Last edited:
CERB fraud is not as big of a deal as others may think. $80B has been given out in CERB, out of which it is estimated $0.5B has been fraudulent which is essentially a drop in the bucket lol. The government is already aware and knows who they are so they will get the money back either way when they do their taxes next year or go after them directly right now.

Government prioritized quick supply of money ASAP hence the lack of screening which was required as we had millions furloughed in span of a month, and it would have been a bureaucratic mess/hell-hole if they went through the due process to verify (ex. look at the US where some had to wait months just for a single 1200 cheque, where as in Canada 2k a month was given and arrived in 2-3 days).

Tbf CA$2000 is US$1500 and US$1200 is CA$1500
 
Erin might be a better pick than someone like Peter Mackay. Seems like Erin O'Toole heard what I've been mentioning about inclusion and diversity for so long. He is not anti-LTGBQ and has embraced it, a montrealer who is accepted in Ontario. Not that bad of a choice but certainly he should learn a thing or two from someone like Doug Ford as to how to win elections in Ontario. Visit the mosques, temples, churches. Embrace the diversity like Trudeau did. Let people see that both parties have same diversity policy, and then it would be an obvious economic policy pick for people. We all know how bad Trudeau govt is faring in that.

It'll be fascinating to see.

I don't know if O'Toole is good enough as a candidate and will once again cause the Conservatives to struggle in large chunks of the country.

The country needs strong candidates, but guys like Scheer and now O'Toole likely won't push the needle.
 
why is it an issue though? In America, everyone recieved a $1200 stimulus check and those that were furloughed -which was millions of people, recieved unemployment plus an extra $600/week for 5 months and now that's been reduced to $400/week. I thought Canada was more generous than America.

That's pretty generous ($600/week). IN Canada you get maximum of $500/week, IF you qualify..lol.
 
It'll be fascinating to see.

I don't know if O'Toole is good enough as a candidate and will once again cause the Conservatives to struggle in large chunks of the country.

The country needs strong candidates, but guys like Scheer and now O'Toole likely won't push the needle.

Yeah, i agree, O'Toole might be a nice guy and all but he's not as commanding as a leader. I predict, there will be an election in the next 12 months and Liberals will win, another minority, however it will be a lesser one than they have right now. Conservatives will then elect another leaders and this time it will be one of the more prominent ones (Pierre Polliviere, Jason Kenney, or even Doug Ford could come into the fold, you never know).

With that being said, it doesn't change the fact that the current govt knows jack on how to deal with the Canadian Economy. This unfortunately will continue.
 
why is it an issue though? In America, everyone recieved a $1200 stimulus check and those that were furloughed -which was millions of people, recieved unemployment plus an extra $600/week for 5 months and now that's been reduced to $400/week. I thought Canada was more generous than America.

Edit:
they have free healthcare.
 
The emergency income support program had been set to expire in August, and it is now paying 4.5 million people up to C$2,000 a month.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-canada-economy/canada-outlines-plan-to-move-unemployed-off-covid-19-emergency-benefits-idUSKBN25G1V3

Not to forget they have free healthcare.
[MENTION=2551]ahmedzee[/MENTION] I know people getting $2000 in GTA is it diff in Alberta?

They have extended it by one more month. People can receive it until September.
 
Edit:
they have free healthcare.

True, good for people who have no jobs. However quality of health care in US is way way higher than Canada. Canadian surgeons and drs are overburderned, the health system is overburdened and underpaid as well and under invested too. Reason why you see massive line ups at your family dr and emergencies. It could get better with more investment and with less rigorous system to become a dr. Then we could claim our health care is better than US. Currently it is miles lower. Free sometimes doesn't mean good.
 
Trudeau Throne speech: Why this is a big moment for Canadian PM

As Canada's parliament returns and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau seeks to put an ethics scandal behind him, his government will this week unveil its plans for the country's pandemic response and recovery.

The last time Mr Trudeau's government held a Throne Speech - where a government outlines its policies and programmes as a parliamentary session begins - was less than a year ago.

That was before the global coronavirus pandemic upended the economy and the lives of many Canadians.

The prime minister also found himself bogged down over the summer by a charity ethics scandal that ended up costing his finance minister his job.

In August, he made a controversial decision to prorogue - or suspend - parliament and return on 23 September with a new Throne Speech to address the realities of the pandemic.

As parliamentarians head back to Ottawa, Mr Trudeau's government faces chatter of a possible election and a new opposition leader who will be seeking to make his mark.

Here's what to expect.

'Ambitious and bold'
The Liberal government is expected to announce plans to tackle both the immediate crisis - a new surge in Covid-19 cases as the country enters the colder months - and to a roadmap for a longer term recovery.

Mr Trudeau has said he sees this moment as an opportunity to "build back better" because a "window of opportunity won't be open for long".

He has also said that, beyond the future challenges, dealing with a pandemic is "job one".

What might all that look like?

Mr Trudeau said that recovery means a greener, healthier and more competitive Canada.

More specifically, Reuters reports that the immediate to-do list will include investments in child care, an expanded employment insurance programme, and funds for long-term care homes, which were particularly hard-hit early in the pandemic.

The prime minister has been getting spending wish lists from provincial premiers, whose demands include increased federal funding for healthcare.

Others are also seeking continued help amid the pandemic.

A group of 1,200 restaurants, fearing mass closures, are asking for wage subsidies to be extended into 2021, for long-term rent relief, and for politicians to find ways to encourage Canadians to visit restaurants.

Election talk and a new opposition
The Throne Speech has led to plenty of speculation about Canadians heading to the polls this autumn.

The speech will prompt a confidence vote in the House of Commons - a key test of whether a sitting government has the "confidence" of the majority.

A government must maintain the confidence of the House of Commons in order to continue to govern.

Mr Trudeau's Liberals were re-elected last year with a minority, and it will need the support of at least one other federal political party to avoid the possibility of triggering a snap election.

Last week, the prime minister consulted with opposition party leaders over the speech.

The Conservatives - who recently elected a new leader, Erin O'Toole - say they will be pushing for increased Covid-19 testing across Canada and for support for small business.

The NDP - seen as the party most likely to support the Liberals - is seeking more funding for long-term care homes, the creation of a pharmacare programme, and universal childcare.

The party will also pressure the government not to sunset the Canada Emergency Response Benefit (cerb), which has been Canada's main financial support programme for workers affected by the coronavirus lockdown. Cerb is due to be replaced 27 September with an expanded employment benefits programme.

While NDP leader Jagmeet Singh said he is "absolutely prepared to fight an election" he added that "it is not my goal" to do so.

If the Liberals survive the confidence vote, they will still face questions over the WE Charity scandal.

Opposition parties will be turning the heat back up on the controversy after the suspension of parliament ended House committee investigations into the affair.

A simple guide to the new crisis engulfing Trudeau
Mr Trudeau is facing his third ethics probe over a now-scrapped programme for students hard hit by the economic slump. The contract to administer the multimillion dollar programmes was given to the WE Charity, which had ties to Mr Trudeau and his family.

Socially distanced Throne Speech
Neither Conservative party leader Mr O'Toole or Bloc Quebecois leader Yves-Francois Blanchet will attend the speech. Both announced on Friday they had tested positive for Covid-19, and while they are said to be feeling well, they remain in isolation.

As per protocol, the speech will be read by Governor General Julie Payette in the Senate chamber.

Traditionally the speech includes plenty of pomp and ceremony and is attended by senators, members of parliament, Supreme Court justices and various dignitaries.

This time numbers will be restricted, according to senate officials, and most parliamentarians are being asked to view the speech off-site.

Those whose presence is required - including Mr Trudeau, Governor General Payette, and the speakers of the Senate and House of Commons - will be required to wear a mask and to maintain social distancing.

Deficits, debt and the pandemic
Canada is in a dire economic situation due to the pandemic, and is facing a potentially lengthy recession.

Over 143,600 Canadians have been infected since January. There have been over 9,200 deaths.

Earlier this year, Canada projected its largest budget deficit since World War Two - C$343bn, with more than C$212bn in direct Covid-19 support.

The price tag for pandemic aid will only rise in the foreseeable future, with a surge in cases and with Canadians' lives and livelihoods having been disrupted.

Economists and political analysts are expecting Mr Trudeau's agenda to include major new promises with some big price tags - and some are ringing warning bells about the ballooning national debt and deficit.

Fitch Ratings - an international credit rating agency - and Canada's largest banks have recently issued warnings about the budgetary red ink.

Polls indicate an appetite among Canadians for a post-Covid recovery agenda that addresses economic and social inequities that have been highlighted by the pandemic.

But they also suggest the top priority for many is getting control of the pandemic and getting Canadians back to work.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54239060.
 
True, good for people who have no jobs. However quality of health care in US is way way higher than Canada. Canadian surgeons and drs are overburderned, the health system is overburdened and underpaid as well and under invested too. Reason why you see massive line ups at your family dr and emergencies. It could get better with more investment and with less rigorous system to become a dr. Then we could claim our health care is better than US. Currently it is miles lower. Free sometimes doesn't mean good.

It’s a myth that was recently busted by Pharmaceutical Lobbyists who admitted that
they spread many lies including Canadian healthcare being overburdened to sell costly healthcare insurance in US. This was done to prevent previous regime in Whitehouse to go with social healthcare like Canada, and continue with private healthcare.
We may not have perfect healthcare system, but it is still far better than Yankees.
 
It’s a myth that was recently busted by Pharmaceutical Lobbyists who admitted that
they spread many lies including Canadian healthcare being overburdened to sell costly healthcare insurance in US. This was done to prevent previous regime in Whitehouse to go with social healthcare like Canada, and continue with private healthcare.
We may not have perfect healthcare system, but it is still far better than Yankees.

As I said, it is the quality. I am not listening to anyone online, this is firsthand experience I have faced. My dad is a heart patient, and he has taken trips to hospital atleast twice every year (to Toronto General). I base this on that, and some other people's experience. Ofcourse, it is indeed a blessing to have a free healthcare for a lot of people. You don't have to pay for surgery. But don't forget, investment has been lacking, even care has gone down and hence quality has gone down over the last 20 years (in my experience). A lot more doctors and nurses are required at the moment. The quota for number of drs and nurses coming out of the system is still the same as 20 years ago, but the population of Canada has gone up tenfold. Money pretty much is the same on average year after year based on the % budget. That was my point about the quality not being there when compared to US. The only drawback US healthcare has is that it is not FREE. So a lot of people suffer due to that.
 
As I said, it is the quality. I am not listening to anyone online, this is firsthand experience I have faced. My dad is a heart patient, and he has taken trips to hospital atleast twice every year (to Toronto General). I base this on that, and some other people's experience. Ofcourse, it is indeed a blessing to have a free healthcare for a lot of people. You don't have to pay for surgery. But don't forget, investment has been lacking, even care has gone down and hence quality has gone down over the last 20 years (in my experience). A lot more doctors and nurses are required at the moment. The quota for number of drs and nurses coming out of the system is still the same as 20 years ago, but the population of Canada has gone up tenfold. Money pretty much is the same on average year after year based on the % budget. That was my point about the quality not being there when compared to US. The only drawback US healthcare has is that it is not FREE. So a lot of people suffer due to that.

I think solution is middle path. Free treatment should be given to those who can't afford it while folks with good jobs should have to pay.
 
It’s a myth that was recently busted by Pharmaceutical Lobbyists who admitted that
they spread many lies including Canadian healthcare being overburdened to sell costly healthcare insurance in US. This was done to prevent previous regime in Whitehouse to go with social healthcare like Canada, and continue with private healthcare.
We may not have perfect healthcare system, but it is still far better than Yankees.

Most people seem to confuse quality with accessibility. Sure Americans might have better doctors, facilities and technology (with the exorbitant amount they charge they should), but what is the point if a large size of the population doesn't have the means to access it?

Not to mention people like to point out the inefficiencies with the Canadian system yet the Americans are paying 2-3x more per capita yet not everyone can see a doctor for basic needs.
 
As I said, it is the quality. I am not listening to anyone online, this is firsthand experience I have faced. My dad is a heart patient, and he has taken trips to hospital atleast twice every year (to Toronto General). I base this on that, and some other people's experience. Ofcourse, it is indeed a blessing to have a free healthcare for a lot of people. You don't have to pay for surgery. But don't forget, investment has been lacking, even care has gone down and hence quality has gone down over the last 20 years (in my experience). A lot more doctors and nurses are required at the moment. The quota for number of drs and nurses coming out of the system is still the same as 20 years ago, but the population of Canada has gone up tenfold. Money pretty much is the same on average year after year based on the % budget. That was my point about the quality not being there when compared to US. The only drawback US healthcare has is that it is not FREE. So a lot of people suffer due to that.

I had my surgery done in Toronto General in 2018 and my stay for a week for pretty good. Overall, I agree partially that Canadian healthcare is lagging behind compared to US for obvious reasons. In US healthcare facilities is top notch and have far too less waiting times, but price is also 10x more. My cousin in US having lung infections and need urgent lung transplant. He went to see a doctor and was quoted for $500K for surgery(not including post transplant meds). Now, an average American will not have luxury of $500K sitting around(if they don’t have insurance).

Both systems have flaws, one have superior facilities while other has accessibility for everyone.
 
I had my surgery done in Toronto General in 2018 and my stay for a week for pretty good. Overall, I agree partially that Canadian healthcare is lagging behind compared to US for obvious reasons. In US healthcare facilities is top notch and have far too less waiting times, but price is also 10x more. My cousin in US having lung infections and need urgent lung transplant. He went to see a doctor and was quoted for $500K for surgery(not including post transplant meds). Now, an average American will not have luxury of $500K sitting around(if they don’t have insurance).

Both systems have flaws, one have superior facilities while other has accessibility for everyone.

Does your cousin have health insurance? I hope he or she gets the necessary care.
 
Does your cousin have health insurance? I hope he or she gets the necessary care.

Yes he does. He is well settled and own few business in TX. He is now waiting to be called for double lung transplant(whenever organ is available).
 
Canada's Trudeau survives latest confidence vote

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his minority Liberal government have avoided a potential snap election.

The Liberals survived a confidence vote in the House of Commons 180 to 146, with the support of the opposition NDP.

The vote on Wednesday was over a Conservative motion demanding a special committee on coronavirus aid spending.

It comes a year to the day that Mr Trudeau retained power in a narrow election win.

The political drama concerned an opposition motion seeking to create a special parliamentary committee to probe the Liberal government's pandemic relief spending.

That spending included a controversial and now defunct programme designed to connect post-secondary students to volunteer opportunities. That programme was at the heart of the WE Charity affair, an ethics crisis that cost Mr Trudeau a long-time finance minister.

Mr Trudeau has apologised for taking part in a cabinet decision to give WE Charity, which had ties to his family, a contract to administer the programme. The charity pulled out of the programme over the summer.

On Wednesday, NDP leader Jagmeet Singh said his left-leaning party would "not give PM Trudeau the election he's looking for", and would oppose the motion. The Green Party also voted against it.

The Conservatives and the Bloc Quebecois voted in favour.

This is the third time the Liberals have faced a confidence vote since parliament returned late September.

The first vote was on a package of new coronavirus relief measures, which received unanimous support. The second was on Mr Trudeau's Throne Speech, which laid out a framework for pandemic recovery. The NDP also sided with the Liberals on that vote.

What was this most recent vote about?
In August, Mr Trudeau made a controversial decision to prorogue - or suspend - parliament and to return on 23 September.

Proroguing ends the parliamentary session, allowing the government to reset its priorities.

But Mr Trudeau's decision also cut short several parliamentary committees looking into the WE Charity scandal, and opposition parties accused the Liberals of trying to duck scrutiny.

With parliament now back, the Conservatives said they wanted to create a special committee to examine what they call the government's ethical problems in relation to the billions of dollars spent on coronavirus relief packages.

There have been 203,688 cases of Covid-19 in Canada, and 9,794 deaths. The country has a population of about 38 million.

Early this week, in a surprise move, the Liberal government announced it would consider the vote on the motion one of confidence, meaning a snap election could have been called if the motion passed.

Mr Trudeau said on Tuesday it was for parliamentarians to decide whether they still had confidence in the Liberals to manage the pandemic response.

Opposition parties claimed the Liberals were trying to force an unnecessary election.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54635712.
 

Jag meet you freaking clown! Stop acting like you’re working for Canadians but in reality you’re a pet dog of liberal party. If you know what Canadians actually want then you would not continuously protect liberal government from falling apart! Just call the election already! Can’t put up with Trudope destroy our economy any further!!!
 
Don't know what PPs opinion on Canadian politics. But I am definitely a conservative supporter. Trudeau sucks.
 
Don't know what PPs opinion on Canadian politics. But I am definitely a conservative supporter. Trudeau sucks.

Jag meet you freaking clown! Stop acting like you’re working for Canadians but in reality you’re a pet dog of liberal party. If you know what Canadians actually want then you would not continuously protect liberal government from falling apart! Just call the election already! Can’t put up with Trudope destroy our economy any further!!!

Issue is guys, Trudeau is no different than Nawaz or Zardari. He has massive corruption scandals, is a millionaire and knows that the only way to get votes is to push a socialist agenda where increasing influx of immigrants will vote for him just because of that. Prosperity, goodwill, economy means nothing to him. He just risked an election just so that his corruption cases should be investigated by a new committee that is not formed yet, ACC (Canadian equivalent of NAB). I hope the conservatives win soon, so we get things back in order. Canadian dollar has declined massively due to lack of exports, Western Alienation is in full swing due to lack of natural resources exports, equalization payments from west to his native Quebec has been totally unfair so far. I can go on and on and on. People need to realize that all his celebrations of Diwali, Eid, Pride parade etc. is only to get votes, his actual agenda is to increase our taxes, and our kids taxes (next 50 years). It would take a very long time no to balance the massive $1Trilion budget.

Jagmeet Singh on the other side is the leader of No Direction Party (NDP). They literally have no policies, and who knows Jag was being paid by Trudeau under the table all along.

I am telling you guys, corruption is in full swing here, and we may not get to know about it until a new govt is formed where this is investigated. Right now only $5B out of $500B is accounted for in COVID aid. Where is the rest of the money, who knows!
 
Issue is guys, Trudeau is no different than Nawaz or Zardari. He has massive corruption scandals, is a millionaire and knows that the only way to get votes is to push a socialist agenda where increasing influx of immigrants will vote for him just because of that. Prosperity, goodwill, economy means nothing to him. He just risked an election just so that his corruption cases should be investigated by a new committee that is not formed yet, ACC (Canadian equivalent of NAB). I hope the conservatives win soon, so we get things back in order. Canadian dollar has declined massively due to lack of exports, Western Alienation is in full swing due to lack of natural resources exports, equalization payments from west to his native Quebec has been totally unfair so far. I can go on and on and on. People need to realize that all his celebrations of Diwali, Eid, Pride parade etc. is only to get votes, his actual agenda is to increase our taxes, and our kids taxes (next 50 years). It would take a very long time no to balance the massive $1Trilion budget.

Jagmeet Singh on the other side is the leader of No Direction Party (NDP). They literally have no policies, and who knows Jag was being paid by Trudeau under the table all along.

I am telling you guys, corruption is in full swing here, and we may not get to know about it until a new govt is formed where this is investigated. Right now only $5B out of $500B is accounted for in COVID aid. Where is the rest of the money, who knows!

It’s really scary that how so many desi families in Toronto are so brainwashed that they will sing praises of liberals and Trudeau even in their sleep. Working class and educated ones at time would form a constructive criticism of government’s action but would still blindly vote for liberals. When you ask them why? They will be good for immigrants. This is exactly what Trudeau knows and is exploiting this mentally to grow his voter base by bringing so many immigrants. Recently CBSA informed news media that about 35000 deportees list were wiped out of systems. Guess who’s doing was that?

On this forum itself we have people blindly worshipping liberals without having anything to show for. Even in other thread I was arguing a fool about Canadian sinking economy but fall on deaf ears.

Right now I’m so ****** at NDP that they will play hard game in front of media and will criticize Trudeau but when it comes to putting words to action(calling for election) they will do exactly opposite. Economy is sinking, housing prices are sky rocketing, rent is killing people, healthcare is failing, and Trudeau is busy doing bangra at public events

Do you think we would have an early election?
 
No one wants an election in the middle of the current pandemic. Should Liberals be held responsible in some way for the WE scandal? Absolutely but not through this over the top committee that would be given extensive powers.

I grew up in AB so I know the conservatives really well. There is no way I'm voting for this racist Islamophobic party until they come out clearly against this. Erin O'Toole seems to be better than Harper (who isn't better than Harper though?) but I want to see how he deals with issues related to Muslim community before I switch from Liberals/NDP.

For those who forget so easily, the last time Conservatives were in power, they specifically targeted Muslims as the boogeyman in their campaign. No amount of tax breaks from the Cons will buy me or other desis/Muslims to shoot ourself in the foot by voting Conservatives (unless they change).
 
It’s really scary that how so many desi families in Toronto are so brainwashed that they will sing praises of liberals and Trudeau even in their sleep. Working class and educated ones at time would form a constructive criticism of government’s action but would still blindly vote for liberals. When you ask them why? They will be good for immigrants. This is exactly what Trudeau knows and is exploiting this mentally to grow his voter base by bringing so many immigrants. Recently CBSA informed news media that about 35000 deportees list were wiped out of systems. Guess who’s doing was that?

On this forum itself we have people blindly worshipping liberals without having anything to show for. Even in other thread I was arguing a fool about Canadian sinking economy but fall on deaf ears.

Right now I’m so ****** at NDP that they will play hard game in front of media and will criticize Trudeau but when it comes to putting words to action(calling for election) they will do exactly opposite. Economy is sinking, housing prices are sky rocketing, rent is killing people, healthcare is failing, and Trudeau is busy doing bangra at public events

Do you think we would have an early election?

You are so right about the desis singing trudeau's praise. In my Mississauga neighbourhood, all the desi aunties I know and met are like trudeau is the best! He support muslims! Conservatives are bad cause they are against muslims! That kind of love with no regards for trudeau and his management of economics.
 
No one wants an election in the middle of the current pandemic. Should Liberals be held responsible in some way for the WE scandal? Absolutely but not through this over the top committee that would be given extensive powers.

I grew up in AB so I know the conservatives really well. There is no way I'm voting for this racist Islamophobic party until they come out clearly against this. Erin O'Toole seems to be better than Harper (who isn't better than Harper though?) but I want to see how he deals with issues related to Muslim community before I switch from Liberals/NDP.

For those who forget so easily, the last time Conservatives were in power, they specifically targeted Muslims as the boogeyman in their campaign. No amount of tax breaks from the Cons will buy me or other desis/Muslims to shoot ourself in the foot by voting Conservatives (unless they change).
I know that, and that isn't good. But even as a Muslim I'd rather have them if they can at least have better economic management which they did, than this clown trudeau and his liberals hiding behind socialist initiatives and draining the country of money.
 
I personally think we don't need a snap election during COVID-19. Once this pandemic is over, this can be handled.

So, I think NDP has done the right thing here.
 
No one wants an election in the middle of the current pandemic. Should Liberals be held responsible in some way for the WE scandal? Absolutely but not through this over the top committee that would be given extensive powers.

I grew up in AB so I know the conservatives really well. There is no way I'm voting for this racist Islamophobic party until they come out clearly against this. Erin O'Toole seems to be better than Harper (who isn't better than Harper though?) but I want to see how he deals with issues related to Muslim community before I switch from Liberals/NDP.

For those who forget so easily, the last time Conservatives were in power, they specifically targeted Muslims as the boogeyman in their campaign. No amount of tax breaks from the Cons will buy me or other desis/Muslims to shoot ourself in the foot by voting Conservatives (unless they change).

Yeah a lot of people tend to forget that Harper made his last reelection all about demonizing Muslims. I mean he ignored the economic and literally made Niqab(which like 0.1% Canadians wear) the central part of his election campaign. Even in the last election the Cons were working with known bigots like Faith Goldy.

Can’t predict the future but I doubt I would vote for them unless the culture of hate in that party changes.
 
I personally think we don't need a snap election during COVID-19. Once this pandemic is over, this can be handled.

So, I think NDP has done the right thing here.

Yes, we don't need the snap election, but again, why should it come to snap election? The only thing that the opposition (Conservatives, NDP, Bloc, Green) was asking for the an Anti Corruption Committee (ACC) where WE charity, COVID giveaway of $500B would be investigated. Just because Trudeau doesn't want to be investigated, he is the one calling the snap election if the house vote is lost by Liberals.


Do you see any issue here? Trudeau is trying to hide corruption by propelling a snap election. Sure election is not needed, but why should it come to that? Why can't ACC be established to investigate this?
 
No one wants an election in the middle of the current pandemic. Should Liberals be held responsible in some way for the WE scandal? Absolutely but not through this over the top committee that would be given extensive powers.

I grew up in AB so I know the conservatives really well. There is no way I'm voting for this racist Islamophobic party until they come out clearly against this. Erin O'Toole seems to be better than Harper (who isn't better than Harper though?) but I want to see how he deals with issues related to Muslim community before I switch from Liberals/NDP.

For those who forget so easily, the last time Conservatives were in power, they specifically targeted Muslims as the boogeyman in their campaign. No amount of tax breaks from the Cons will buy me or other desis/Muslims to shoot ourself in the foot by voting Conservatives (unless they change).

I voted against harper both the times, hated the harper led conservatives as I also thought they were quite racist and Islamophobic. The demise was definitely the stupid Niqaab ban. I am glad that happened, because Harper is not the leader Canada should have. The only good thing that happened during his tenure was Canada's economy was in a full uphill swing.

But I won't give Harper credit for that, I give Pierre Polliviere (Finance Minister) that credit. Pierre is still in the conservative party, and I would rather look at that instead of any racist and Islamophobe, specially considering our economy is literally going downhill, inflation is at a record high, deficit is at a record high and may take 30 years to balance the budget. Also don't forget, Erin O'Toole is quite a left leaning politician in terms of his social policies, which is absolutely great to see. That was what Conservatives were before the racist Harper returned.

Right now, we have a Drama teacher as a PM, a Journalist as Finance Minister, and an arts major as Science minister. Do you see an issue with this? No wonder we are all going downhill. Wait 2 years, if this Liberal govt still remains you are going to see much higher taxes than what we already have, and high cost for food and basic necessities.
 
It’s really scary that how so many desi families in Toronto are so brainwashed that they will sing praises of liberals and Trudeau even in their sleep. Working class and educated ones at time would form a constructive criticism of government’s action but would still blindly vote for liberals. When you ask them why? They will be good for immigrants. This is exactly what Trudeau knows and is exploiting this mentally to grow his voter base by bringing so many immigrants. Recently CBSA informed news media that about 35000 deportees list were wiped out of systems. Guess who’s doing was that?

On this forum itself we have people blindly worshipping liberals without having anything to show for. Even in other thread I was arguing a fool about Canadian sinking economy but fall on deaf ears.

Right now I’m so ****** at NDP that they will play hard game in front of media and will criticize Trudeau but when it comes to putting words to action(calling for election) they will do exactly opposite. Economy is sinking, housing prices are sky rocketing, rent is killing people, healthcare is failing, and Trudeau is busy doing bangra at public events

Do you think we would have an early election?

I personally think we may have election next year.
Let me explain why.

Conservatives and Bloc would unit to call a house vote for election, as O'Toole would know well known in a year. Jagmeet would also join the call as he would look forward to seeing another seat/riding (securing his party leader position and pension for life). NDP might lose even more seats but that party was pretty much done anyways. And if it takes a year or two for the election, I see no chance for Trudeau as Canadians will see the after effects of massive deficit, lack of exports etc. We are already seeing that.

In the end I predict that either we would have a minority conservative govt, or yet another minority liberal one (lesser minority than now). THe only way to win in GTA/Montreal is to sing social praises, and I see O'Toole doing that. You win GTA/Montreal, you take govt (sorry to say the distribution of ridings is quite outdated though).
 
Yeah a lot of people tend to forget that Harper made his last reelection all about demonizing Muslims. I mean he ignored the economic and literally made Niqab(which like 0.1% Canadians wear) the central part of his election campaign. Even in the last election the Cons were working with known bigots like Faith Goldy.

Can’t predict the future but I doubt I would vote for them unless the culture of hate in that party changes.

Niqaab ban was finally the last nail in the coffin for harper. I voted for Trudeau that election just because of that. Before they selection O'Toole as conservative leader, I meant several times (you can scroll the thread) that conservatives were not a racist party until Harper came along, who was quite right leaning and a racist. I am glad he is gone. Conservatives should be back to the roots and see what they're known for, great immigration policies, good social policies and amazing economic policies, reducing taxes for Canadians. I personally think O'Toole is the right guy to showcase their social policies, hence why my vote is for them now.
 
Yes, we don't need the snap election, but again, why should it come to snap election? The only thing that the opposition (Conservatives, NDP, Bloc, Green) was asking for the an Anti Corruption Committee (ACC) where WE charity, COVID giveaway of $500B would be investigated. Just because Trudeau doesn't want to be investigated, he is the one calling the snap election if the house vote is lost by Liberals.


Do you see any issue here? Trudeau is trying to hide corruption by propelling a snap election. Sure election is not needed, but why should it come to that? Why can't ACC be established to investigate this?

I understand.

If Trudeau has done corruption, he should be held accountable. But, I believe this is not the time. Let this virus go away first.
 
I personally think we don't need a snap election during COVID-19. Once this pandemic is over, this can be handled.

So, I think NDP has done the right thing here.

If we can have kids packed like can of sardines in a school bus then I’m sure adults can take precautions and vote.
 
I understand.

If Trudeau has done corruption, he should be held accountable. But, I believe this is not the time. Let this virus go away first.

I say ACC should be made. Work can always be done remotely, virus or no virus.
 
If we can have kids packed like can of sardines in a school bus then I’m sure adults can take precautions and vote.

This virus generally doesn't harm kids but it can harm adults. There is a scientific explanation for that (I saw a video on YouTube).

Point is, holding an election now would be irresponsible.
 
If we can have kids packed like can of sardines in a school bus then I’m sure adults can take precautions and vote.

Voting generally is not a big deal. usually 20-48% Canadians turn up in so many centers. We are distant anyways during voting (I recall last year). But again, it shouldn't come down to voting/election. This is just Trudeau's tactic to avoid the WE charity scandal as he is caught with his pants down by media/opposition at the moment.
 
Back
Top