China bans fasting in Ramadan

[Wasim1]

http://news.yahoo.com/china-bans-ramadan-fast-muslim-northwest-103756197.html

Title says it all. Very disturbing to see this kind of religious bigotry. What is almost as disturbing is the lack of comments from the Communist nations all weather Islamic friend.

 

[KarachiKing]

Dont know how enforced it though. Know a couple of chinese from my college who fast and they are in the area currently.

in any case China is a communist authoritarian state so if its true its nothing mindblowing

 

[Firebreaker]

Very bad from China

 

[BlackThunder]

Imagine the uproar if a Western Nation had done something similar. Very poor from China but quite expected. It seems like they are almost daring Islamic extremists to raise an eye towards them.

 

[Bilal7]

Muslims can and will get away with it though. May Allah reward their courage immensely.

 

[KarachiKing]

Imagine the uproar if a Western Nation had done something similar. Very poor from China but quite expected. It seems like they are almost daring Islamic extremists to raise an eye towards them.

Western countries are held to a higher, standard as they are liberal, open countries which have freedom of speech, religion etc. China never claims to be such

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

http://news.yahoo.com/china-bans-ramadan-fast-muslim-northwest-103756197.html

Title says it all. Very disturbing to see this kind of religious bigotry. What is almost as disturbing is the lack of comments from the Communist nations all weather Islamic friend.

You only just posted the thread now Wasim bhai, did you expect comments to come before the article was online?

 

[KarachiKing]

You only just posted the thread now Wasim bhai, did you expect comments to come before the article was online?

haha good one!

The all weather friend is supposed to find out what is happening even before it happens. Psychic power ftw!

 

[CricketCartoons]

You only just posted the thread now Wasim bhai, did you expect comments to come before the article was online?

Wasim bhai is disturbed to see this religious bigotry and you are laughing.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Wasim bhai is disturbed to see this religious bigotry and you are laughing.

I am putting a brave face on it, inside I am just as torn up about this as Wasim bhai is.

 

[vandokkum]

What happened to "their country their rules" ? China is not a democracy nor does it claim to give equal rights to everyone like some countries. Saudi Arabia and Pakistan have forced their fasting rule on non muslims in public, so I guess this is the opposite reaction. Both actions are moronic.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What happened to "their country their rules" ? China is not a democracy nor does it claim to give equal rights to everyone like some countries. Saudi Arabia and Pakistan have forced their fasting rule on non muslims in public, so I guess this is the opposite reaction. Both actions are moronic.

Pakistan is a false nation, that is why they are sucking up to China. Once it has been reabsorbed into India, united we will all condemn China's treatment of Muslims and point to Bangladesh's hypocrisy in not condemning the commies.

And Allah knows best.

 

[vandokkum]

Pakistan is a false nation, that is why they are sucking up to China. Once it has been reabsorbed into India, united we will all condemn China's treatment of Muslims and point to Bangladesh's hypocrisy in not condemning the commies.

And Allah knows best.

I agree.

 

[eradicator]

I thought China's restrictions on Islam and Muslim practices is a common knowledge.

From a 2008 article,

Government employees and Communist party members are banned from fasting, wearing veils or growing beards, said circulars posted on several official websites. Other measures - which appear to vary area to area - include forcing restaurants to maintain their usual opening hours instead of shifting them in light of dawn-to-dusk fasting.

BEIJING – Unlike millions of Muslims around the world, Uighur students returning for summer vacations in northwestern China are banned from fasting during the holy month of Ramadan.

Under the restrictions, Uighur students under 18 are banned from fasting during Ramadan or taking part in religious activities.

Students defying the restrictions are being reported to authorities for punishment.

 

[amax]

Western World has very high standards of personal freedom China being authoritarian regime is nowhere near and also well behind in standard of living, neither it claims to rival them in these parameters.

 

[boomboomcheema]

Isnt it policy of the Communist Government in China to suppress religion and impose State-Atheism ?

I wonder what is the religion of majority in China ? Isnt it true that most Chinese ( Han People ) are atheists and minority Uighurs are Muslims.

 

[Laparwah]

I wonder what Zaid Hamid has to say about this issue? I think it's an internal issue for Chinese Muslim's to deal with.

 

[zane_]

The headline is misleading. The ban only applies to the Xinjiang province, where the minority Uighur population resides. Han Chinese Muslims are free to practice their religion. In my mind this is a case of ethnic or racial discrimination more than religious.

 

[saadibaba]

Don't expect any uproar from the Mullah brigade in Pak. If it was a western country, they would be protesting on the streets. Double standards.

 

[hafeezrocks]

But why wouldnt the Mullah Brigade in Pakistan protest against such discriminatory rulings in China ? Its not as if they are on China's payroll.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

How can you ban fasting? What people do in their own homes is up to them. Will the Chinese authorities be performing abdominal MRI scans on all Muslim men and women to see if their gastrointestinal tract is empty?

 

[KarachiKing]

^
Yea I was wondering the same? re they force feeding people to enusre?

 

[saadibaba]

But why wouldnt the Mullah Brigade in Pakistan protest against such discriminatory rulings in China ? Its not as if they are on China's payroll.

The Army Mullah nexus.

 

[Bilal7]

What happened to "their country their rules" ? China is not a democracy nor does it claim to give equal rights to everyone like some countries. Saudi Arabia and Pakistan have forced their fasting rule on non muslims in public, so I guess this is the opposite reaction. Both actions are moronic.

How can you compare a rule about not eating in front of people who are fasting to a ban on fasting itself? You can get in your car or your own home and eat all you like but what are these Muslims supposed to do?

This comparson is whats moronic.

 

[Lords]

Well, i can equate it with Saudis telling non muslims not to eat during the day in ramzaan.

Not that i agree with anyone of these countries.

 

[King Cobra]

Their Country their Rules.

 

[10sion]

How can you ban fasting? What people do in their own homes is up to them. Will the Chinese authorities be performing abdominal MRI scans on all Muslim men and women to see if their gastrointestinal tract is empty?

^
Yea I was wondering the same? re they force feeding people to enusre?

Home inspections

On Monday, Chinese authorities reportedly encouraged Uighurs to eat free meals on Monday, and inspected homes to check if the fast was being observed, Dilxat Raxit, a spokesman for the exiled World Uyghur Congress, told AFP citing local sources.

“China taking these kind of coercive measures, restricting the faith of Uighurs, will create more conflict,” he said.

“We call on China to ensure religious freedom for Uighurs and stop political repression of Ramadan.”

Source: http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...s-Ramadan-fast-in-mainly-Muslim-Xinjiang.html

 

[vandokkum]

How can you compare a rule about not eating in front of people who are fasting to a ban on fasting itself? You can get in your car or your own home and eat all you like but what are these Muslims supposed to do?

This comparson is whats moronic.

It wasn't a direct comparison, and this ban only applies to a group of people, not most Chinese muslims. Let's not even get into comparison of the treatment of muslims and non muslims in other countries.

 

[zane_]

Home inspections

On Monday, Chinese authorities reportedly encouraged Uighurs to eat free meals on Monday, and inspected homes to check if the fast was being observed, Dilxat Raxit, a spokesman for the exiled World Uyghur Congress, told AFP citing local sources.

“China taking these kind of coercive measures, restricting the faith of Uighurs, will create more conflict,” he said.

“We call on China to ensure religious freedom for Uighurs and stop political repression of Ramadan.”

Source: http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...s-Ramadan-fast-in-mainly-Muslim-Xinjiang.html

This is such a counterintuitive policy. Instead of placating Uighurs' concerns, they are inflaming the passions.

 

[Bilal7]

It wasn't a direct comparison, and this ban only applies to a group of people, not most Chinese muslims. Let's not even get into comparison of the treatment of muslims and non muslims in other countries.

What? It applies to all Muslims living in that area. Yes, Non-Muslims are persecuted in several Muslim countries but I don't go around justifying it by making idiotic statements.

 

[Square Drive]

What the heck!? Poor, poor stuff.

Anyhow, they can't stop Muslims. The Muslims can just keep on fasting, and they can't do zilch.

 

[RexRex]

This draconian act would have sparked riots in many other countries.Are the uighurs not considered part of the ummah ?

 

[Bilal7]

What the heck!? Poor, poor stuff.

Anyhow, they can't stop Muslims. The Muslims can just keep on fasting, and they can't do zilch.

Apparently, they're forcing them to eat and whatnot.

 

[James]

So just as evil western countries continue to promote religious freedom, pursue state policies of multiculturalism and encourage the building of various places of worship such as mosques, churches and temples - those glorious friends of Muslims and those guys to trust for the foreseeable future, the Chinese, ban one of the key components of Sunni Islam...

 

[j_kazmi]

How do they ban fasting?

Do they force food down peoples throat.

 

[speed]

Godless communist.

 

[j_kazmi]

So just as evil western countries continue to promote religious freedom, pursue state policies of multiculturalism and encourage the building of various places of worship such as mosques, churches and temples - those glorious friends of Muslims and those guys to trust for the foreseeable future, the Chinese, ban one of the key components of Sunni Islam...

All types of muslims have to fast. Not just sunnis.

 

[ArmanKhan]

So just as evil western countries continue to promote religious freedom, pursue state policies of multiculturalism and encourage the building of various places of worship such as mosques, churches and temples - those glorious friends of Muslims and those guys to trust for the foreseeable future, the Chinese, ban one of the key components of Sunni Islam...

Sunni Muslims????? Its quite amusing to see religious experts emerging from all corners on the globe. Shows the incredible power that the media holds in shaping peoples global views.

 

[ArmanKhan]

So just as evil western countries continue to promote religious freedom, pursue state policies of multiculturalism and encourage the building of various places of worship such as mosques, churches and temples - those glorious friends of Muslims and those guys to trust for the foreseeable future, the Chinese, ban one of the key components of Sunni Islam...

By the way Pakistan does not represent the Muslim world Pakistani's considering China their friend does not mean "Muslims"consider China a friend.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Muslims are such ingrates, they need to be constantly reminded of it by their true friends who are happily reminding them of their favours like in this thread. Thanks Wasim bhai and other friends for bringing this to our attention!

 

[j_kazmi]

Sunni Muslims????? Its quite amusing to see religious experts emerging from all corners on the globe. Shows the incredible power that the media holds in shaping peoples global views.

Calm down.

The guy just didn't know if other muslims fasted aswell. You don't need to make it into a huge conspiracy theory.

 

[saeedhk]

Just to clear up a bit,the ban is applied to Xinjiang only not the whole of China.

Officials reportedly threw a party to see whether the muslim guests were fasting or not.

 

[ArmanKhan]

Calm down.

The guy just didn't know if other muslims fasted aswell. You don't need to make it into a huge conspiracy theory.

Lol You obviously don't know James. He knows way more than you think.

 

[Saeed]

Muslims brothers in China and Myanmar should have patience, inshallah glory is very near and al Dalimoon will be punished.

 

[Mamoon]

Fasting doesn't make sense, but this is inhumane and against freedom rights. The article doesn't mention why fasting in particular has been banned or what purpose it serves. Perhaps I'm sleepy.

 

[Mamoon]

Muslims brothers in China and Myanmar should have patience, inshallah glory is very near and al Dalimoon will be punished.

What glory? referring to the arrival of Mike Wazowski and how Muslims will destroy him?

 

[Alchemy]

I thought china was a communist country so why the government is intervening in the religious affairs of the people? Its not the right of the state by constitution.

 

[Mamoon]

Communist states discourage religion.

 

[Alchemy]

Discouraging religion doesnt translates into intervening in the personal affairs of the people.

 

[Mamoon]

It does in many ways.

 

[CricketCartoons]

The Christian Chinese I have met don't have good things to say about the govt either. The govt likes to control their church by appointing their own people.

 

[Saeed]

Meaning chinese areas inhabited by minorities are up for sale. Just like the sunni dominated areas were in Syria and Iraq.

 

[Justcrazy]

Korea is probably worst against religions.

 

[Square Drive]

Apparently, they're forcing them to eat and whatnot.

Wow. Terrible.

May Allah (SWT) give the Muslims of China the strength to continue fasting - Ameen!

 

[Wasim1]

Not sure you follow. Im referring to the Pakistani government not you. Imagine if Modi ordered all mosques shut down and Ramadan banned. Pretty sure it would be a big deal with the Pakistani government.

 

[Wasim1]

Don't expect any uproar from the Mullah brigade in Pak. If it was a western country, they would be protesting on the streets. Double standards.

+1 .... i can see why the Pakistani government keeps mum and tolerates China doing as they wish. They have no other options as China is its bank, financier and arms supplier.

The people of Pakistan however let China get away with anything which makes zero sense.

 

[KarachiKing]

+1 .... i can see why the Pakistani government keeps mum and tolerates China doing as they wish. They have no other options as China is its bank, financier and arms supplier.

The people of Pakistan however let China get away with anything which makes zero sense.

Lol at you trying to make a story out of nothing and trying to somehow drag Pakistan into it

Couple of simple points:

1) China is not held to the same standards as Western countries because it does not claim to be a liberal, open democracy which espouses freedom of speech, religion etc. It never claims to offer these rights so there is not even a basis for widespread indignation as it is not a government of the people, and protests wont force it to change its stance as it doesnt care about its popularity.

2) Pakistan is not thekaydaar of Muslims in China so really its not any of its business

3) Most importantly, China is not being discriminatory towards just Islam or anyone religion. It suppresses all religions equally. So there is no case for Muslims to cry out at being oppressed singularly. So if there is indignaton and protests it should be on the back of the whole world community rather than a Muslim country or bunch of muslim countries. A Hindu, Christian or Muslim are equally oppressed as far as following their religion. Actually if anything due to the Uighyur opposition and the fact that the Muslims are concentrated in one province, they get relatively more rights that followers of other faiths

 

[LongHorn]

The people of Pakistan however let China get away with anything which makes zero sense.

One word: hypocrisy

 

[LongHorn]

1) China is not held to the same standards as Western countries because it does not claim to be a liberal, open democracy which espouses freedom of speech, religion etc. It never claims to offer these rights so there is not even a basis for widespread indignation as it is not a government of the people, and protests wont force it to change its stance as it doesnt care about its popularity.

Is that the same reason why India is held to a much higher standard than China as well ?

 

[LongHorn]

2) Pakistan is not thekaydaar of Muslims in China so really its not any of its business

But Pakistanis protest and speak out against oppression in Kashmir/Bosnia/Chechnya/Palestine/Myanmar/Iraq/France/Gujurat so why is China the only place where it does not matter ?

 

[James]

Lol You obviously don't know James. He knows way more than you think.

You're very kind - I wish!

I used Sunni as an example only because Sunni is one of the majority ways of thinking in Islam. Apologies if that part didn't read well. There's nothing sinister at work here - hopefully you can trust me on that.

What were your thoughts on the rest of the post? I'd have hoped there was something more interesting in there to respond to.

 

[James]

Discouraging religion doesnt translates into intervening in the personal affairs of the people.

Yes it does.

Whether you're Christian, Muslim, Atheist or Jedi, you should always remember that allowing freedom of religion is vital to the wellbeing of any society.

 

[amax]

But Pakistanis protest and speak out against oppression in Kashmir/Bosnia/Chechnya/Palestine/Myanmar/Iraq/France/Gujurat so why is China the only place where it does not matter ?

first little context the recent unrests in Xinjiang province were caused by a militant Islamic organisation East Turkestan Islamic movement consisting of Ugyer Muslims , this organisation has strong hold in tribal areas(North Waziristan) of Pakistan and neighboring Afghanistan areas, now when Pakistani forces have launched a massive assault against all foreign/local militants the Chinese authorities are trying to make sure that there is no reemergence/reorganization in their province by having strict eye on any communal/religious gathering/events(basically ban which is actually a ban in some areas of particular province is part of this). We all know how much havoc terrorism can cause(at least Pakistanis know) thats why even Pakistani govt is swallowing the bitter pill of 600000 IDPs in holy month so obviously China being communist authoritarian regime will be very brutal.

 

[DoosraTeesra]

China wasn't a good example of human rights before anyway. Let's hope one day they see the light and be more tolerant to people's personal freedoms.

 

[TM Riddle]

haha I like this logic of hey the Chinese never claimed to be saints , they have always been like this,nothing wrong in their actions lol .Now imagine the uproar had it happened in India, .Hypocrisy at its best

 

[KarachiKing]

haha I like this logic of hey the Chinese never claimed to be saints , they have always been like this,nothing wrong in their actions lol .Now imagine the uproar had it happened in India, .Hypocrisy at its best

its not logic. its fact. India claims to be a liberal, secular democracy which is why it will attract more criticism if it adopts such policies

 

[Mamoon]

haha I like this logic of hey the Chinese never claimed to be saints , they have always been like this,nothing wrong in their actions lol .Now imagine the uproar had it happened in India, .Hypocrisy at its best

China is a communist state which is why it's not surprising. Pretty much expected.

 

[Afzal_K]

Are there many pakistanis settled in china? If anything i ve seen so many indians settled there from business pov and students. I am not too big or buy this all weather friend thing. Maybe from army govt pov but most chinese ( filled in bc canada ) dont really know much if anything abt pakistan, infact its via Brown crowd ( north indians) and have such little knowledge...so this news is not evenbothered by chinesd ppl..who are busy making money and eating whole day
Id rather goto Indian shop to buy coz atleast i will be greeted well and easy to talk to than chinese who will be to the point and wont do much for service -man had a bad experience buying a pc

 

[shortbread]

Zaid hamid saab on Chinese Ramadan ban;

'You seee, its a zionist kkanspirrecy to hurt Pakistan's excellent relations with China. As part of the afpak doctrine Amreeka's CIA, Israel's Mossad and India's RAW have decided to create a false proppegendaa that the chinese government hates Muslims. But they will faail in this plan, because the army and the ISI are equipped to deal with such thraats. You see, very soon all chinese will be forced to attend Iftar parties hosted by the Pakistani forces all across China.

You see, I have peersonnaly spoken to the chinese leader and they have given me assurances that they will join the gazwa-el-world movement I am starting. The Chinese government loves muslims and loves us Pakistani's even more, even the liberal ones!!

 

[Indiafan]

Lol at you trying to make a story out of nothing and trying to somehow drag Pakistan into it

Couple of simple points:

1) China is not held to the same standards as Western countries because it does not claim to be a liberal, open democracy which espouses freedom of speech, religion etc. It never claims to offer these rights so there is not even a basis for widespread indignation as it is not a government of the people, and protests wont force it to change its stance as it doesnt care about its popularity.

But why? Is life of a Muslim cheaper there? China might not have the best reputation but what is stopping you, as a non-Chinese from being umbraged?

2) Pakistan is not thekaydaar of Muslims in China so really its not any of its business

But somehow they are the thekaydaar's of Muslims in Gaza/Kashmir/India. Even one news about anything wrong done to Muslims there are met with huge threads and great condemnation

3) Most importantly, China is not being discriminatory towards just Islam or anyone religion. It suppresses all religions equally. So there is no case for Muslims to cry out at being oppressed singularly. So if there is indignaton and protests it should be on the back of the whole world community rather than a Muslim country or bunch of muslim countries. A Hindu, Christian or Muslim are equally oppressed as far as following their religion. Actually if anything due to the Uighyur opposition and the fact that the Muslims are concentrated in one province, they get relatively more rights that followers of other faiths

How does this make the suffering of the Muslims there any better or make their actions right? If a landowner refuses a house to a Muslim in India because he eats meat, that generates tons of posts, but force feeding someone in the most holy of months for Islam is ok because they do it to everyone?

So all the concern for Indian Muslims because they are fellow Muslims stem from where? Or it is ok to pick and chose which Muslims must be supported and which ones shouldn't?

 

[Indiafan]

its not logic. its fact. India claims to be a liberal, secular democracy which is why it will attract more criticism if it adopts such policies

It is a poor thing if you criticism is based on what someone claims to be and not on the actual facts of what is going on. This is like going easy on a big crime of a confessed criminal but punishing a man trying to be honest for one small mistake.

 

[Badsha]

Thought mao had banned religion?

 

[KarachiKing]

But why? Is life of a Muslim cheaper there? China might not have the best reputation but what is stopping you, as a non-Chinese from being umbraged?



But somehow they are the thekaydaar's of Muslims in Gaza/Kashmir/India. Even one news about anything wrong done to Muslims there are met with huge threads and great condemnation



How does this make the suffering of the Muslims there any better or make their actions right? If a landowner refuses a house to a Muslim in India because he eats meat, that generates tons of posts, but force feeding someone in the most holy of months for Islam is ok because they do it to everyone?

So all the concern for Indian Muslims because they are fellow Muslims stem from where? Or it is ok to pick and chose which Muslims must be supported and which ones shouldn't?

Again! Those things are proested when they happen in Inida or any western country because that is not how they function. That is against their principles and freedom values (esp west) to discriminate on the basis of religion which is why there is an uproar if there is some oppression there.

With China, it is pretty much a state policy to suppress religion so there is nothing out of the ordinary. Im not saying they are right in any ones eyes. My point is that you expect it from their government. Infact it would be shocking if the opposite happened.

Also a thing to be noted is. The countries against which there is an uproar are democracies who claim to be liberal and open. A democracy functions on the support of the people and is judged by the people. So if a large group of people protests against a democratic government, then the said govt will have to tak that on board and do sth about it otherwise it will get voted out. Which is why there is a point to protesting against the behavior of a democracy as there is some chance of getting your way. China's govt is not answerable for its actions to anyone so ny protest has zero chance of bearing fruit.

Also, not related to my general point but a Pakistani might have interest in Kashmir and the rest of india because kashmir is part of the country and there are historical links with indian muslims so you would identify more

 

[Varun]

Again! Those things are proested when they happen in Inida or any western country because that is not how they function. That is against their principles and freedom values (esp west) to discriminate on the basis of religion which is why there is an uproar if there is some oppression there.

With China, it is pretty much a state policy to suppress religion so there is nothing out of the ordinary.

There is little to no protest against this supposed state policy either, then.

 

[Alchemy]

Yes it does.

Whether you're Christian, Muslim, Atheist or Jedi, you should always remember that allowing freedom of religion is vital to the wellbeing of any society.

So, telling people not to fast is allowing freedom of religion? Wut.

 

[saeedhk]

Are there many pakistanis settled in china? If anything i ve seen so many indians settled there from business pov and students. I am not too big or buy this all weather friend thing. Maybe from army govt pov but most chinese ( filled in bc canada ) dont really know much if anything abt pakistan, infact its via Brown crowd ( north indians) and have such little knowledge...so this news is not evenbothered by chinesd ppl..who are busy making money and eating whole day
Id rather goto Indian shop to buy coz atleast i will be greeted well and easy to talk to than chinese who will be to the point and wont do much for service -man had a bad experience buying a pc

Not many Pakistanis in China at all.

 

[Bilal7]

Muslims, not just the Pakistani kind, are condemning this all over but what difference will it make? When has criticism ever discouraged the commies from anything? The government won't say anything for obvious reasons. A known psychopath committing a murder might not receive as much outrage as a normal person, fully in control of his actions would. Nor would a bomb blast in a war-torn country like Afghanistan receive as much media coverage as a blast in 'Merica.

 

[Varun]

Muslims, not just the Pakistani kind, are condemning this all over but what difference will it make? When has criticism ever discouraged the commies from anything? The government won't say anything for obvious reasons. A known psychopath committing a murder might not receive as much outrage as a normal person, fully in control of his actions would. Nor would a bomb blast in a war-torn country like Afghanistan receive as much media coverage as a blast in 'Merica.

Can you provide quotes and examples for both instances?

 

[James]

So, telling people not to fast is allowing freedom of religion? Wut.

Your post:

'Discouraging religion doesn't translate to intervening in the personal lives of the people'.

Which I disagreed with. I defended the importance of religious freedoms.

And then you come back with the above response?

Your reading and writing skills clearly need a polish.

 

[Alchemy]

I thought china was a communist country so why the government is intervening in the religious affairs of the people? Its not the right of the state by constitution.

Communist states discourage religion.

Discouraging religion doesnt translates into intervening in the personal affairs of the people.

It does in many ways.

Your post:

'Discouraging religion doesn't translate to intervening in the personal lives of the people'.

Which I disagreed with. I defended the importance of religious freedoms.

And then you come back with the above response?

Your reading and writing skills clearly need a polish.

This is the context of my response. We both actually are saying the same thing. Just missed on the context.