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China bans fasting in Ramadan

This topic comes up ever year.

The truth is this is ethnic discrimination not religous.

Majority of Chinese Muslims practice their religion without any restrictions.

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Chinese Muslims celebrate Ramadan


XINING, July 20 (Xinhua) -- More than 20 million Chinese Muslims on Friday celebrated the first day of the one-month Ramadan festival across China.

In the 600-year-old Dongguan Mosque, located in Xining, provincial capital of northwest China's Qinghai province, tens of thousands of Muslims entered and gathered there to attend the morning prayer on Friday.

"The month of Ramadan is the greatest and most revered month for Muslims, and the prayer on the first day is also extremely important," said Ma Yongliang, who runs a logistics company in Xining city.

Han Jing, 17, said she would get up at 3 a.m. every morning during Ramadan to prepare food for her family.

Han said she would stay with other women at home, while the men would go to the mosque during the month. Even though they will suffer from fast, she believes that's a way to get closer to Allah.

During Ramadan, the ninth month of a year in the Muslim calendar, the Muslims refrain from eating, drinking, smoking and sex from sunrise to sunset. But children, the elderly and the weak do not have to observe the fast.

Ma insists to pray five times every day, and follows the business rules of integrity and trustworthiness according to Islam.

"We have been abiding with the sermons of the Koran for centuries. Although our lives have undergone rapid changes, we still hold strong faith," Ma said.

Thanks to the support of the Chinese government, the ethnic groups in the impoverished western areas have developed their dominant industries in recent years, slowly eradicating poverty.

In Ningxia Hui autonomous region, one of the main Muslim-populated regions, the predominantly Muslim Hui ethnic group developed the Halal food industry.

In 2011, the Halal food industry in Ningxia generated an output value of 10.3 billion yuan (1.6 billion U.S. dollars), up 13 percent from a year ago. And the total output value of the Halal food industry in this region is expected to reach 20 billion yuan by 2015.

In a branch plant of Qinghai Yijia Buhala Nation Fashion China Co., Ltd., located in Hui-Tu autonomous county of Datong in Qinghai province, the homegrown Muslim traditional cap and clothing have been exported around the world.

"I can not only take care of children and elderly people in my family, but also do some work at home which I get paid for," said Han Yan, a worker of the plant, adding that the work never affected her worship.

"Female Muslims could hardly earn money in the past, but the work is conducive to raise the status of a female in a family," said Han Decheng, president of the company.

Moreover, in the Hui autonomous county of Hualong, more than 67,000 practitioners went out and opened over 10,000 restaurants selling traditional Hui food, such as hand-pulled noodles.

But for most Muslims, their biggest dream is to go to Mecca, Saudi Arabia, their holiest city.

"Some elders in my family have been there, and I should realize my dream as well," said Ma.

In 1997, the first chartered plane for Chinese pilgrims flew from Beijing to Jeddah, an important gateway to Mecca. Direct chartered flights later linked Beijing, Lanzhou, Urumqi, Yinchuan, and Kunming to Medina, the second holiest city, which is north of Mecca.

According to statistics, more than 13,800 Chinese pilgrims went to Mecca in 2011.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2012-07/21/c_123448925.htm
 
lol Wasim bhai here still trying to make a point and giving a tinge of religious discrimination to it even if it exists
 
@ KKWC would have expected you to use a more neutral media source than the official mouthpiece of the the Commies Party of China...

A "sheeple" moment for you......
 
The writers of Al Jazeera, Time, Al Arabiya and the Independent are Indians posting on this forum? Ambassador also says that Tibetans are treated like saints. You are only seeing what you want to believe....Israel India US are tormentors of Muslims and in China everything is A OKAY.

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Wasimbhai to tell you the truth I wish more Indians were like you. You are so caring about our Muslims brothers and sisters in China. But the problem is Wasimbhai that China is our friend and we will stand alongside our friend in good times and bad. I know the fact that we are not protesting is causing you great deal of pain but hang in there and continue fighting this battle against China.
 
@ KKWC would have expected you to use a more neutral media source than the official mouthpiece of the the Commies Party of China...

A "sheeple" moment for you......

Go ahead and refute the source . While you're at it refute pictures of the amazing mosques in China. When you're done I will post many pictues of Muslims in China breaking fast, praying and going for Hajj. Stay busy bro.
 
Cool pics of the Xian mosque KKWC. But notice the mosque is empty. It must be because the Chinese commies banned Muslims from Ramadan like Wasim bhai has said. I'd march in protest but I'm a Pakistani which means I'm both lazy and a hypocrite.
 
Pulling you up for posting a mouthpiece source lad, whilst deriding all those who post mouthpiece sources.... Xinhua is Chinese version of Fox- your fave punching bag...but then i would have thought you would know that....

stay consistent me wee laddie- stay busy uploading pics....
 
Pulling you up for posting a mouthpiece source lad, whilst deriding all those who post mouthpiece sources.... Xinhua is Chinese version of Fox- your fave punching bag...but then i would have thought you would know that....

stay consistent me wee laddie- stay busy uploading pics....

Close your eyes and make a wish all Muslims in China who practice their religion don't exist. ;)
 
Cool pics of the Xian mosque KKWC. But notice the mosque is empty. It must be because the Chinese commies banned Muslims from Ramadan like Wasim bhai has said. I'd march in protest but I'm a Pakistani which means I'm both lazy and a hypocrite.

Banned but luckily enough Bollywood sent Chinese actors to make a fantasy production here.

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Don't tell brother Nishmate, it's the communist Guardian from the UK who went to the making of this Bollywood blockbuster.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2014/jul/04/ramadan-around-world-in-pictures#
 
^ Now thats better Brother KKWC- you are learning :D albiet a bit slowly....

now read my prior post on page 2 @ 16:15 and use that "Aqal"....


Ok lets make it simple- issue was you posting from Xinhua which would naturally never show anything anti China...not the issue that there are Muslims in China- wasnt that hard was it??
 
We should commend the passion displayed by our Indian neighbour's regarding this issue. What a caring bunch.
 
You would like to think that these countries would be displaced by now by more progressive countries in Pakistan public's minds, but it doesn't seem to have happened for some reason.

Isn't the reason kind of obvious ?
It's easy to control the flow of information from the press when you're a military dictatorship which Pakistan has been for most of its 70 yr existence.Public opinion has been manipulated for decades.Case in point - many still believe Pakistan fought valiantly and won the 1965 war.

The closest we've come to a dictatorship was 1975.We had 2 years of emergency imposed and all the mainstream papers barring the Indian Express 'crawled , when asked to bend' as LK Advani famously put it.
 
Things are not as simple as that. Outrage or no outrage depends on a lot of things. Regarding India, it is the historical baggage, validation of two nation theory, and Kashmir etc. Israel is not only territorial but religious, with the jews controlling some of the holy sites. These two tick a lot of boxes. With China there is no such baggage, so there is less motivation to protest.

Also, if you protest against India, Israel, USA or any country in the West, you'll get some attention and some response. If you protest against China, China will give you the finger and carry on with its persecution.
 
.Case in point - many still believe Pakistan fought valiantly and won the 1965 war.

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many just believe that Pakistan defended(not allowed to penetrate deep) successfully against a numerically larger enemy when its international borders got attacked at Lahore, Sialkot etc some might call it "won" but than you also have hordes of Indians who consider stalemates as victory.
 
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many just believe that Pakistan defended(not allowed to penetrate deep) successfully against a numerically larger enemy when its international borders got attacked at Lahore, Sialkot etc some might call it "won" but than you also have hordes of Indians who consider stalemates as victory.

Well if you initiate a war on the borders hoping to take Kashmir but instead are forced to defend your vital cities in the heartland a few days later there's only one side that comes out looking better from the confrontation.Its not a stalemate in the conventional sense and it definitely is not a victory which is what the official line was.
 
Only reason Pakistan "cares" so much about Indian Muslims is they badly want to get their pound of flesh from having half their country taken in 71.

As for Palestine they badly wanna be accepted by Arabs and hope the Arabs would care about Kashmir back (hint they don't).

Lots in Pakistan put on a show of how they care for all Muslims but it's really just the two groups above for the reasons stated. Hence the hypocrisy on China and awful excuses "they discriminate against all religions.. Their country their rules...." lol what a joke some of the posters here are. Imagine if modi did this you'd be rioting in the streets.

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Only reason Pakistan "cares" so much about Indian Muslims is they badly want to get their pound of flesh from having half their country taken in 71.

As for Palestine they badly wanna be accepted by Arabs and hope the Arabs would care about Kashmir back (hint they don't).

Lots in Pakistan put on a show of how they care for all Muslims but it's really just the two groups above for the reasons stated. Hence the hypocrisy on China and awful excuses "they discriminate against all religions.. Their country their rules...." lol what a joke some of the posters here are. Imagine if modi did this you'd be rioting in the streets.

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sorry but your well concerted effort to troll didnt work here.

back to th drawing board and scouring for news reports which suit your aims and allow you to start a similar thread.
 
The Chinese Muslims have a long presence, and have played an invaluable role in, for instance, the transfer of Arab-Islamic astronomical (and wider scientific) knowledge during the Mongol period, the fact that the greatest Chinese explorer (who discovered the Amreekas before Colombus) was a Muslim, Zheng He (and his companions like Ma Huan, etc they also spread Islam in modern day Malaysia, Indonesia, etc), or even their importance in the contemporary Chinese politics (the "Ma clique" - Ma being the Chinese diminutive for Muhammad - warlords who played a seminal role in modern Chinese politics.)
On a deeper cultural level, Islam in China has produced its own architecture, its own cuisine, its own philosophers/writers and - of course - martial arts, and a famous Master, Wang Zi-Ping, was a little celebrity in the whole China:

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The Huis (Hans converts to Islam) never had major problems with their religion, which in fact is surprising considering the Communist state's volatile relationship with Christianity (for instance), perhaps has to do with geopolitics ; these bans on fasting during Ramadan (amongst other measures taken) only concern the Uyghurs, a minority with separatist tendencies (East Turkestan) which thus suffers more from ethnic - than religious - discrimination.
It's already despicable enough to not extrapolate it as a "war against Islam" for point-scoring.
 
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And why should we take the word of some random Indian on some random forum as gospel. And ambassador could be right. Are you trying to say that every chinese ambassador is a lier or in wider case every chinese?

What are you even talking about? I said almost every distinguished news outlet is reporting the same story, not some random Indian. And of course the Chinese ambassador would be denying it, he is the damn ambassador, a government official, representing his country on foreign soil. He'd make sure the image of his country is not tarnished or what-not and avoid controversy. Will you start believing government officials from US, Russia, India, Israel etc when they start denying atrocities they commit when its being reported otherwise everywhere else in the world?
 
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So after all the sympathy from our Indian neighbour's towards Muslims in China ramazan has not been banned. We still apperciate your efforts.
 
Chinese city bans people with Islamic clothing and ‘big beards’ from using buses


A Chinese city has banned people with Islamic clothing or big beards from boarding buses, in what has been criticised as “an openly racist and discriminatory policy”.

The measures have been brought in across the north-western city of Karamay in the Xinjiang province, where hundreds have died in unrest over the past 18 months.

According to Chinese state media reports, officials intend to use the rules to help “strengthen security” ahead of and during a major athletics event scheduled for the 20 August.

Authorities said the ban will apply to five “types” of passengers: those who wear veils, head scarves, a loose-fitting garment called a jilbab, clothing with the crescent moon and star, and those with long beards.

The crescent moon and star are used by groups that China says want to set up an independent state in north-west China called East Turkestan, while bus bombings have been a longstanding concern in the region.

In July, authorities in Xinjiang's capital Urumqi banned all bus passengers from carrying items ranging from cigarette lighters to yogurt and water, in a bid to prevent violent attacks.

Around 45 per cent of the population of Xinjiang is Muslim, and the Turkic-speaking Uighur minority say that the government's repressive policies and controls on Islam are to blame for provoking the unrest.

At the start of July, schools and government departments in the province caused controversy by banning students and civil servants from fasting for the holy month of Ramadan.


Speaking about the latest bans, Alim Seytoff, the president of the Washington-based Uyghur American Association, said: “Officials in Karamay city are endorsing an openly racist and discriminatory policy aimed at ordinary Uighur people.”

Despite the high number of deaths in recent months in Xinjiang, tight security makes it almost impossible for journalists to make independent assessments of the violence.


About 100 people were killed when knife-wielding attackers staged assaults in two towns in the region's south in late July, state media said, including 59 “terrorists” shot dead by police. A suicide bombing killed 39 people at a market in Urumqi in May.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-and-big-beards-from-using-buses-9653994.html
 
China targets "wild imams" in mass public sentencing

China has jailed almost two dozen people including "wild imams" who preach illegally in the western region of Xinjiang where the government says Islamists are waging a violent campaign for a separate state, Chinese media reported on Tuesday.

The 22 suspects were sentenced to prison terms ranging from five to 16 years at a mass public sentencing in Xinjiang on Monday, the state-controlled China News Service reported.

As well as the imams, or Muslim religious leaders, those sentenced included religious leaders who engaged in religious activities after being sacked, as well as those who broke the law while at their posts, it said.

Others were accused of inciting ethnic hatred, using superstition to destroy the law, and picking quarrels and provoking trouble, it said.

Xinjiang is home to a mostly Muslim minority group known as Uighurs.


http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/11/11/china-xinjiang-idINKCN0IV0HA20141111
 
I miss Wasim bhai :(.

(Ok I know he's still here but it's not the same when he's not posting as Wasim bhai.)
 
China has jailed almost two dozen people including "wild imams" who preach illegally in the western region of Xinjiang where the government says Islamists are waging a violent campaign for a separate state, Chinese media reported on Tuesday.

The 22 suspects were sentenced to prison terms ranging from five to 16 years at a mass public sentencing in Xinjiang on Monday, the state-controlled China News Service reported.

As well as the imams, or Muslim religious leaders, those sentenced included religious leaders who engaged in religious activities after being sacked, as well as those who broke the law while at their posts, it said.

Others were accused of inciting ethnic hatred, using superstition to destroy the law, and picking quarrels and provoking trouble, it said.

Xinjiang is home to a mostly Muslim minority group known as Uighurs.


http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/11/11/china-xinjiang-idINKCN0IV0HA20141111

What is a Wild Imam?
 
Bizarre.

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Chinese Imams Forced to Dance

URUMQI – In another crackdown on religious freedoms, China has forced the imams of eastern Muslim majority district of Xinjiang to dance in the street, and swear to an oath that they will not teach religion to children as well telling them that prayer is harmful to the soul.

During the incident, reported by World Bulletin on Monday, February 9, Muslim imams were forced to brandish the slogan that "our income comes from the CKP not from Allah".

State Chinese news said the imams were gathering in a square in the name of civilization where they were forced to dance and chant out slogans in support of the state.

The slogans included statements glorifying the state over religion such as 'peace of the country gives peace to the soul’.

They also gave speeches telling youth to stay away from mosques, and that the prayer was harmful to their health, encouraging them to dance instead.

Female teachers were instructed to teach children to stay away from religious education and made to swear an oath that they will keep children away from religion.

Uighur Muslims are a Turkish-speaking minority of eight million in the northwestern Xinjiang region.

Xinjiang, which activists call East Turkestan, has been autonomous since 1955 but continues to be the subject of massive security crackdowns by Chinese authorities.

Rights groups accuse Chinese authorities of religious repression against Uighur Muslims in Xinjiang in the name of counter terrorism.
Last November, Xinjiang banned the practicing of religion in government buildings, as well as wearing clothes or logos associated with religious extremism.

In August, the northern Xinjiang city of Karamay prohibited young men with beards and women in burqas or hijabs from boarding public buses.

Earlier in July, China banned students and government staff from observing Ramadan fasting, as officials tried to encourage locals in Xinjiang not to wear Islamic veils.

http://www.onislam.net/english/news/asia-pacific/482889-chinese-imams-forced-to-dance.html
 
So when is Imran firing a Tweet against the Chinese? He usually doesn’t waste time to remind the world about the atrocities of India in J&K.

Or perhaps he “doesn’t know” about this as usual.
 
So when is Imran firing a Tweet against the Chinese? He usually doesn’t waste time to remind the world about the atrocities of India in J&K.

Or perhaps he “doesn’t know” about this as usual.

As usual you will use it as an opportunity to bash Imran, but truth is, secular Pakistan is in hoc to China as they are considered one of their few friends in the region. If Pakistan was a true Islamic country maybe they could afford to take the moral high ground, but as a secular nation, they are more pragmatic.
 
As usual you will use it as an opportunity to bash Imran, but truth is, secular Pakistan is in hoc to China as they are considered one of their few friends in the region. If Pakistan was a true Islamic country maybe they could afford to take the moral high ground, but as a secular nation, they are more pragmatic.

I agree of course. As a colony of China, it is obvious why Imran sweats buckets every time he is put on the spot to comment on the inhumane treatment of the Muslims in China, but please do tell that to the people who claim that our faux concern for the Kashmiris is because of humanitarian reasons.

Also, we are foolish to think that China is our friend.
 
I agree of course. As a colony of China, it is obvious why Imran sweats buckets every time he is put on the spot to comment on the inhumane treatment of the Muslims in China, but please do tell that to the people who claim that our faux concern for the Kashmiris is because of humanitarian reasons.

Also, we are foolish to think that China is our friend.

Do you seriously think Pakistanis would care more for Chinese Muslims rather than Kashmir which is half in Pakistan? Pakistan might call itself an Islamic republic, but it is secular in nature so people would rather fill their pockets than think about whether Allah might notice.

China is nobody's friend I agree, best we can hope for is that they aren't Pakistan's enemy.
 
Do you seriously think Pakistanis would care more for Chinese Muslims rather than Kashmir which is half in Pakistan? Pakistan might call itself an Islamic republic, but it is secular in nature so people would rather fill their pockets than think about whether Allah might notice.

China is nobody's friend I agree, best we can hope for is that they aren't Pakistan's enemy.

It is obvious that our fake concern for Kashmir has nothing to do with humanity or because they are Muslims. If that was so, we would not be turning a blind eye towards China.

We have other reasons due to which we pretend to care for the Kashmiris, and it would be better if we admit those reasons because our agenda gets exposed in moments like these.
 
We Pakistanis have a khanay kay rozay. It is not a big loss to be honest. If you know any muslim what islam is all about, they can not even talk about it. To be honest, we as Pakistanis should not act like owners of Islam. That's the only way we can progress. Look at Malaysia, Indonesia. They are progressing. Pakistan is going backwards.
 
It is obvious that our fake concern for Kashmir has nothing to do with humanity or because they are Muslims. If that was so, we would not be turning a blind eye towards China.

We have other reasons due to which we pretend to care for the Kashmiris, and it would be better if we admit those reasons because our agenda gets exposed in moments like these.

Yea we care for Kashmir because we share historical and cultural links with them and many of them want to be part of our country. So any dunce can understand why we care about Kashmiris or Indian Muslims and do not have same concern for Sudanese Muslims or Uighur Muslims or Muslims in Dagestan, Russia.

Its not that hard to understand. Similarly the concern for Palestinians is due to the holy sites there and the significance of the region to Islam
 
So when is Imran firing a Tweet against the Chinese? He usually doesn’t waste time to remind the world about the atrocities of India in J&K.

Or perhaps he “doesn’t know” about this as usual.

He won't fire a tweet about Muslims in China just like he wont fire a tweet about Muslims in Chechnya or Dagestan....
 
It is obvious that our fake concern for Kashmir has nothing to do with humanity or because they are Muslims. If that was so, we would not be turning a blind eye towards China.

We have other reasons due to which we pretend to care for the Kashmiris, and it would be better if we admit those reasons because our agenda gets exposed in moments like these.

Can you please tell us what are 'those reasons'?

Enlighten us the most enlighten one in Pakistan.
 
Yea we care for Kashmir because we share historical and cultural links with them and many of them want to be part of our country. So any dunce can understand why we care about Kashmiris or Indian Muslims and do not have same concern for Sudanese Muslims or Uighur Muslims or Muslims in Dagestan, Russia.

Its not that hard to understand. Similarly the concern for Palestinians is due to the holy sites there and the significance of the region to Islam

It is not hard to understand because you are stating the obvious. My rant is directed at the hypocrites who claim that we are fighting in Kashmir because it is an issue of human rights.

These people have nowhere to hide when we turn a blind eye towards the atrocities in other countries.
 
Can you please tell us what are 'those reasons'?

Enlighten us the most enlighten one in Pakistan.

They have been explained already. We are laboring under the delusions that we will free Kashmir from Indian shackles one day, plus Kashmir is a tool for our military to control our country.

With no Kashmir issue, we can hope for better relations with India which means our military will lose their dominance.
 
They have been explained already. We are laboring under the delusions that we will free Kashmir from Indian shackles one day, plus Kashmir is a tool for our military to control our country.

With no Kashmir issue, we can hope for better relations with India which means our military will lose their dominance.

Imran is not going to criticise China because of the relationship you have with them which makes sense it's politics isn't it but what is your opinion on this ban alone ? also, you want to give Kashmir to India ? ideally it should be independent but if Pakistan was to leave, is that even a possibility; the people who live there should be able to decide what they would like from both sides, in the even Azad Kashmir would like to stay with Pakistan then that's not something you can hardly criticise right because those people want to be law abiding pakistani citizens like yourself
 
I wish someone could tell me both sides of the story here. Is it as straight forward as that Chinese have locked up masses of people because they are of ethnic origin or muslims.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wasn’t this a story of 2015? I would like to clarify Muslims are free to fast in Xinjiang. Restrictions are with Communist party members, who are atheists; government officials, who shall discharge their duties; students who are with compulsory education & hard learning tasks. <a href="https://t.co/bfa1C33OlV">https://t.co/bfa1C33OlV</a></p>— Lijian Zhao 赵立坚 (@zlj517) <a href="https://twitter.com/zlj517/status/1125301485993177088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 6, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Students and those with hard-learning tasks... vague.
 
Imran is not going to criticise China because of the relationship you have with them which makes sense it's politics isn't it but what is your opinion on this ban alone ? also, you want to give Kashmir to India ? ideally it should be independent but if Pakistan was to leave, is that even a possibility; the people who live there should be able to decide what they would like from both sides, in the even Azad Kashmir would like to stay with Pakistan then that's not something you can hardly criticise right because those people want to be law abiding pakistani citizens like yourself

The only solution to Kashmir is for Pakistan to respect the UN Resolution and put it into motion.

The first point of the 1947 Resolution is that Pakistan will withdraw its troops from the LoC. Once Pakistan does that, India will be under diplomatic pressure to fulfill point 2 (they will reduce the presence of their forces in J&K) and point 3 (they will hold a fair referendum to allow the people to decide their future).

As long as Pakistan doesn’t respect the UN Resolution, India is under no obligation to respect the demands of the Kashmiris to hold a referendum, because they can always blame Pakistan for blocking the path.

Since 1948, we have not gained an inch of Kashmir. Our tactics for the last 71 years are not just not working. In fact, it has cost us East Pakistan and billion of rupees.

If we continue with our tactics, there will be no breakthrough for another 100 years.

The problem is that we do realize that the status quo is not a solution to this problem. However, this is what our military wants - they don’t want the Kashmir issue to be resolved because it is against their interests.

Hypothetically speaking, if India comes out tomorrow, gives J&K independence or hands it over to us, our military will be the big losers.

No Kashmir issue means better relations with India and Afghanistan, less money will be spent on defense and the military will have less influence in controlling the foreign and domestic policies of the government.

Remember, the military of a country is at its most powerful when it is not at peace, and that is because it is at their mercy.

The single biggest reason why Pakistan has been in constant conflict since 1947 one way or the other is because that is what our military wants.

The Kashmir issue will never be resolved as long as the government is subservient to them, and our economic growth is stunted because of their stranglehold.

With the Kashmir issue gone, we will be in good position to negotiate trade terms with India and we can better utilize some of the wealth that we spend on our defense.

Unfortunately, our masses don’t realize our core issues and are fixated with corruption. Yes in an ideal world you won’t want any corruption, but it is not the biggest issue that this country faces.

In spite of rampant corruption, India has been able to develop modern industries and their major exports are auto, pharma and IT, while we are still relying on non-tech exports like wheat and textile.

Kashmir issue is a small cost for India compared to Pakistan, and their military has not stunted their development.

As long as there is conflict in Kashmir and our military runs the country from behind the scenes, we will not make any progress even if we have angels in the government.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wasn’t this a story of 2015? I would like to clarify Muslims are free to fast in Xinjiang. Restrictions are with Communist party members, who are atheists; government officials, who shall discharge their duties; students who are with compulsory education & hard learning tasks. <a href="https://t.co/bfa1C33OlV">https://t.co/bfa1C33OlV</a></p>— Lijian Zhao 赵立坚 (@zlj517) <a href="https://twitter.com/zlj517/status/1125301485993177088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 6, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Students and those with hard-learning tasks... vague.

He might be spinning, but the journalist who is quoting is so brain damaged by PTI's rise to power that she wishes to embarrass in to confronting China. Of course she is a lifelong PPP supporter who will be banished to sideline once the PPP comes to power and can spend her time living off the scraps of benefits that come with being a third rate hack.
 
I wish someone could tell me both sides of the story here. Is it as straight forward as that Chinese have locked up masses of people because they are of ethnic origin or muslims.

There's some repression there for sure. China doesnt have a good track record when it comes to religious folks - whatever their faith. Just so happens that muslims are their biggest minority.
The key thing of course is to recognize when you see stuff on this from accidental human rights activists on twitter. I say accidental because when their party is in power they are silent.

The correct response for any Pakistani government, regardless of who is in power is to avoid public debate on this with china and continue to push with whatever power they have in this relationship. if you are a government employee and have a crisis of conscious about this: remember that your oath is to your people first.
 
They have been explained already. We are laboring under the delusions that we will free Kashmir from Indian shackles one day, plus Kashmir is a tool for our military to control our country.

With no Kashmir issue, we can hope for better relations with India which means our military will lose their dominance.

Probably not the first time and won't be the last time where you have to repeat the same and other has to do the same without understanding each other.

Most of the Pakistani that I interact with knows that we can't liberate Kashmir nor Pakistan is willing to liberate Kashmir, hence multiple offers for peace talk by the current government, I failed to understand why you keep ignoring this party.

Military in Pakistan won't lose it's dominance unless Pakistan has discovered oil and foreign forces come to bring about democracy in a democratic Pakistan.

The fact that most of the people failed to understand is that whatever changes will to come to Pakistan can't be without military help or without military.

In Pakistan, military is integral part of Pakistan and it will continue to be.

And anyone trying to solve Pakistan's problem without taking military in account is absolutely delusional.
 
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