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Dude,

EU is NOT a US ally like in 90s. They never stopped trade with Iran, even after US trying to "strangle" Iran. Despite sanctions: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–European_Union_relations


USA also tried to strangle NK yet Chinese kept on the trade. That's obvious, tho.

Whole world depends on Chinese industry. The volume of trade is scary. Even president Trump's daughter kept on manufacturing her lame brand there :facepalm:

Heck even Pak - Ind trade even in weirdest of times. The "iSoLaTiOn" was never more than a meme for naive nationalistic Indians.

Let China try and dump US bonds and then see how many line up to buy them.

The world can shift industrial base. The world just suffered a catastrophic pandemic due to the Chinese.

I know Pakistanis have their soft spot for chinese, but the world doesn't care, if what is made in china today is made in Taiwan or vietnam or India or Philippines tommorow.
 
Your fantasy is running wild with these imaginary scenarios.

Why would Pakistan fight against US, when its the longstanding traditional US ally in the region. But Pakistan can surely hit India hard in case of nuclear war fare.

Also both Pakistan and India border Western part of China, which is just a barren land with no real importance.

As for straits of Malaka, that too isnt that important because a lot of alternatives trade routes exist for China (more so under their Belt & Road initiatives). A slight detour via Indonesian waters isnt a big deal either. Its not like strait of Malaka is equivalent to Suiz Canal in importance.
Furthermore Chinese are already running cross continental freight trains to Europe. They also have land access to most asian countries.

So india can carry on sitting in the small and insignificant Andaman Islands.

Lol.

In case of a US attempt to strangle trade routes to China, US will be able to choke CPEC by sitting in a base overlooking it in India.

The straits of malacca is the route to SCS. Anyone having a base in Andaman will be able to control the access to SCS. Esp US with its vast naval force.

Take slight de tour? And go further south and into areas more tightly controlled by USN?


Pakistan will cease to exist if it uses nukes against India. Talk about these threats to some no nuke country.
 
There are misconceptions and then there are some posts in this thread which are simply :facepalm:

Posters pointing out that Pakistan has a suicidal mentality :facepalm:

All I can say to these posters is that they are on a Pakistani forum calling Pakistan out for a suicidal mentality and then being given a chance to have a constructive debate as well on such topics. So much for suicidal mentality.
 
GK,

Please watch from 7:00 onwards, Abhijit perfectly sums up India's Sukhoi dilemma, great video overall if you have time to watch the whole thing. I had the pleasure of meeting Abhijit when he was in Melbourne a while back, his knowledge on defence is excellent. The one positive thing is China itself only has Russian jets or copied versions of it, so PLAAF maybe just as bad as India's AF.


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thanks for that. i'll check it out. im always interested in how procurements happen and requirements etc..
I hear abijit is having a bit of a ding dong with Ajay shukla about ladakh. lol

As for the commonality between Chinese and IAF aircraft, yes there is that. The only caveat I would give to that is the avionics on the Chinese planes. We dont know much about them, they are relatively secret and as we saw in Balakot they may have some surprises. the bit I would worry about is the jamming of the mirages. That was done with chinese equipment..
 
GK,

Please watch from 7:00 onwards, Abhijit perfectly sums up India's Sukhoi dilemma, great video overall if you have time to watch the whole thing. I had the pleasure of meeting Abhijit when he was in Melbourne a while back, his knowledge on defence is excellent. The one positive thing is China itself only has Russian jets or copied versions of it, so PLAAF maybe just as bad as India's AF.


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LOL @ you equating the AMRAAM Dodgers with PLAAF.

All of main jets of PLAAF are equipped with AESA radar and their PL-15 range is as good as an AMRAAM. Hell, they even have variants of BVR that have longer range than BVR and you are here equating a foreign dependent IAF with PLAAF :)) I can only laugh at your claims. Think the romali rotti is over-cooked here. Your former eastren raptor and now the infamous AMRAAM Dodoger is equipped with a PESA radar and we all know the range of the BVR missile :))) (27th Feb :ronaldo).

Indians have order the saviour Rafayleee, but China has already acquired SU-35 :))

Man, i cant believe i read this today. Roti bahiya, kabhi dimag khawabun ki dunya sai bhi nikal leya karein.
 
LOL @ you equating the AMRAAM Dodgers with PLAAF.

All of main jets of PLAAF are equipped with AESA radar and their PL-15 range is as good as an AMRAAM. Hell, they even have variants of BVR that have longer range than BVR and you are here equating a foreign dependent IAF with PLAAF :)) I can only laugh at your claims. Think the romali rotti is over-cooked here. Your former eastren raptor and now the infamous AMRAAM Dodoger is equipped with a PESA radar and we all know the range of the BVR missile :))) (27th Feb :ronaldo).

Indians have order the saviour Rafayleee, but China has already acquired SU-35 :))

Man, i cant believe i read this today. Roti bahiya, kabhi dimag khawabun ki dunya sai bhi nikal leya karein.

thats actually true and they also have a stealth fighter with avionics we dont even know about. Coupled with the j10C which has similar if not better avionics than our thunders. As I mentioned in previous post and [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] can verify this, that the thunders did manage to jam the mirages2000's. And inmho thats probably the best technology based AC in the IAF. The IAF would be fighting in a heavily saturated EW environment. I dont think theyll see the PLAAF coming.
 
Lol.

In case of a US attempt to strangle trade routes to China, US will be able to choke CPEC by sitting in a base overlooking it in India.

The straits of malacca is the route to SCS. Anyone having a base in Andaman will be able to control the access to SCS. Esp US with its vast naval force.

Take slight de tour? And go further south and into areas more tightly controlled by USN?


Pakistan will cease to exist if it uses nukes against India. Talk about these threats to some no nuke country.
Doesn’t make sense. US wouldn’t engage with china in open war fare, hence you can keep on dreaming about how Important India can be. Reality is that its tucked away in a unimportant part of the world.

Where as India China is happening right now in Laddakh. Anyways not much point going round in circles with someone disillusional.
 
LOL @ you equating the AMRAAM Dodgers with PLAAF.

All of main jets of PLAAF are equipped with AESA radar and their PL-15 range is as good as an AMRAAM. Hell, they even have variants of BVR that have longer range than BVR and you are here equating a foreign dependent IAF with PLAAF :)) I can only laugh at your claims. Think the romali rotti is over-cooked here. Your former eastren raptor and now the infamous AMRAAM Dodoger is equipped with a PESA radar and we all know the range of the BVR missile :))) (27th Feb :ronaldo).

Indians have order the saviour Rafayleee, but China has already acquired SU-35 :))

Man, i cant believe i read this today. Roti bahiya, kabhi dimag khawabun ki dunya sai bhi nikal leya karein.

And how good arePLAF J20s?
 
Just for people's knowledge. The Rafael although a potent fighting machine, is no match for the SU-35, atleast on paper. However, often times in air warfare there are many different pieces on the chessboard and they all come to together. There will hardly ever come a time when a single jet from both airforces will go head to head completely in isolation.


Case in point last Feb, Pak's arsenal comprised of Mirages, F-16s and JF-17s, and India's had Mirage2000s and SU-30s while MIG-21s for support. Just on paper India has the more advanced loadout, but the result of the matchup was not in India's favour. That was down to better planning, element of surprise, cooler heads and liberal use of electronic warfare.
 
Just for people's knowledge. The Rafael although a potent fighting machine, is no match for the SU-35, atleast on paper. However, often times in air warfare there are many different pieces on the chessboard and they all come to together. There will hardly ever come a time when a single jet from both airforces will go head to head completely in isolation.


Case in point last Feb, Pak's arsenal comprised of Mirages, F-16s and JF-17s, and India's had Mirage2000s and SU-30s while MIG-21s for support. Just on paper India has the more advanced loadout, but the result of the matchup was not in India's favour. That was down to better planning, element of surprise, cooler heads and liberal use of electronic warfare.

Especially when they gave the opposition a clear notice, India were still caught off guard
 
Just for people's knowledge. The Rafael although a potent fighting machine, is no match for the SU-35, atleast on paper. However, often times in air warfare there are many different pieces on the chessboard and they all come to together. There will hardly ever come a time when a single jet from both airforces will go head to head completely in isolation.


Case in point last Feb, Pak's arsenal comprised of Mirages, F-16s and JF-17s, and India's had Mirage2000s and SU-30s while MIG-21s for support. Just on paper India has the more advanced loadout, but the result of the matchup was not in India's favour. That was down to better planning, element of surprise, cooler heads and liberal use of electronic warfare.

Nailed it.

Quality always annihilates quantity. Especially when it comes to something as meticulous as air force.
 
Let China try and dump US bonds and then see how many line up to buy them.

The world can shift industrial base. The world just suffered a catastrophic pandemic due to the Chinese.

I know Pakistanis have their soft spot for chinese, but the world doesn't care, if what is made in china today is made in Taiwan or vietnam or India or Philippines tommorow.

Unfortunately, economy doesn't work on sentiments. Big players (let's say Walmart for example) don't care about China/Covid19/justice/holding them accountable. They will see their bottom lines and keep on trading. Same applies to all major companies with more money than a random country's gdp. Money will keep on flowing to Chinese coffers. Where do you think whole EU is buying their masks from? EU can't even make cheap/competitive masks for its citizens.

The world can also develop light speed travel. But it will take enormous amount of time.

Both India and Philippines have nut jobs as rulers. Both are killers. I won't even bother highlighting their priorities. You should watch their actions, instead of listening to their misguiding words.
Taiwan/Vietnam are simply too weak and far behind China. That's a fact.

Industrial shifting can take a lot of time (probably decades) and perfect planning. Which a meme country like India (or even Pakistan) can only dream of. Of course, I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong in next years. I'm fully in favor of SC emerging.

PS: It's irrelevant what Pakistanis think. World economy doesn't depend on Pakistanis' (or Indian) feelings. That's the whole point.
 
Lol, Indian Media are starting a new trend now #BoycottChina. Honestly, one thing is pride, but a total different thing is arrogance.
Truth of our 'home grown' Tik Tok,

Its owner Shibank Agarwal, a student of IIT Roorkee, bought the source code of the app from a Pakistani coding company, Qboxus and rebranded the app as Mitron and launched it in India.
 
Truth of our 'home grown' Tik Tok,

Its owner Shibank Agarwal, a student of IIT Roorkee, bought the source code of the app from a Pakistani coding company, Qboxus and rebranded the app as Mitron and launched it in India.

It would be epic if our jiala programmers put a backdoor to divert traffic from Pakistan :yk

The ultimate trolling :yk
 
LOL @ you equating the AMRAAM Dodgers with PLAAF.

All of main jets of PLAAF are equipped with AESA radar and their PL-15 range is as good as an AMRAAM. Hell, they even have variants of BVR that have longer range than BVR and you are here equating a foreign dependent IAF with PLAAF :)) I can only laugh at your claims. Think the romali rotti is over-cooked here. Your former eastren raptor and now the infamous AMRAAM Dodoger is equipped with a PESA radar and we all know the range of the BVR missile :))) (27th Feb :ronaldo).

Indians have order the saviour Rafayleee, but China has already acquired SU-35 :))

Man, i cant believe i read this today. Roti bahiya, kabhi dimag khawabun ki dunya sai bhi nikal leya karein.

Hold up there sunny, you jumped the gun a little too early. The Sukhoi MKI and the SU-35 are practically close hardware wise, which is what I was referring to. Ofcourse the radars and what missiles or whatever else that are attached to the planes by the Indians and Chinese will different. The point of my video was to highlight India's Sukhoi's are not good plane due to the mods India have done with Israeli radar on Russian Hardware etc. As for the Chinese Radars I have no idea about it, but from browsing a few military forums which are not India specific, all seem to be off the opinion they are junk, ofcourse as a Pakistani you would disagree, and you are forgiven for that :angel:... Indian airforce yes, i must sadly admit are not upto par, I am even tempted to rang PAF higher than IAF..
 
Hold up there sunny, you jumped the gun a little too early. The Sukhoi MKI and the SU-35 are practically close hardware wise, which is what I was referring to. Ofcourse the radars and what missiles or whatever else that are attached to the planes by the Indians and Chinese will different. The point of my video was to highlight India's Sukhoi's are not good plane due to the mods India have done with Israeli radar on Russian Hardware etc. As for the Chinese Radars I have no idea about it, but from browsing a few military forums which are not India specific, all seem to be off the opinion they are junk, ofcourse as a Pakistani you would disagree, and you are forgiven for that :angel:... Indian airforce yes, i must sadly admit are not upto par, I am even tempted to rang PAF higher than IAF..
To get that PAF higher we have to maintain a s**l**d of budget while our poor kids our going through malnutrition
I would rather have an army with M1 grands walking around rather than the abnormal (for a nation our size) beast we have right know but I think with the extreme hatred I am seeing from indians right know from literally calling our dead civilians atankwadis nearly "pacifist" people like me are more and more becoming cool with the idea of this powerful military cause of pure fear for our sovereignty
shown by IK getting elected cause he is more of a nationalist than other guys before and he was a response to Modi

Unfortunately a bigoted gov and people are the reason for our bloated millitary budget to make the PAF better than IAF and I hope the bigoted behavior ends from the other side so we can focus on our own stuff

Sorry for the rant 😁
 
Indians have order the saviour Rafayleee, but China has already acquired SU-35 :))

Also to address the above, Indians have can purchase the SU-35 if they wanted and that too at a cheaper price than the Rafale, however the Chinese cannot purchase the Rafale. I am sure there is a good reason why Indians went with Rafale, Indians have enough knowledge of the Russian jets considering their fleet is mainly Russian. Abhijit's video imo gives a good explanation about the capabilities of the Russian jets in the sub continent area.
 
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Back to thr future here we are back to the past

US using India as a lever to press China, big big blunder from Chaiwala to become a part of someone else war' #freindsnotmasters
 
India, Australia seal deal to use each other's military bases for logistics support

NEW DELHI: India and Australia on Thursday signed seven agreements, including landmark pact on access to military bases for logistics support, after first-ever virtual summit between PM Narendra Modi and his Aussie counterpart Scott Morrison.

A process of comprehensive reforms covering almost all areas has been initiated in India as it is viewing the coronavirus crisis as an "opportunity", Prime Minister Narendra Modi said on Thursday at the online summit with his Australian counterpart Scott Morrison.

The accord allows military ships and aircraft to refuel and access maintenance facilities, and is widely seen as being part of a broader strategy by democracies in the region to counter China's military and economic weight.

India has a similar pact with the United States which is seen as part of a broader security cooperation to balance China's growing economic and military weight in the region.

Although China is the biggest buyer of Australia's exports, there have been
trade frictions between the two recently. And Australia also raised China's hackles by pushing for an international review into the origins and spread of the novel coronavirus, which first emerged in the central Chinese city of Wuhan late last year.

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/pm...t-scott-morrison/amp_articleshow/76190643.cms
 
Let me clarify a few things:

1) Regarding day dreaming of companies leaving China to move their operations to countries like India - STOP. Low skilled labour, poor quality infrastructure, poor domestic manufacturing base, rampant corruption. India is eons below China and most of the countries for that matter. So, Indians should really stop day dreaming such scenarios.

2) Regarding PLAAF vs IAF:

Let me be clear that the only airforce better than PLAAF is the American Airforce, and countries like UK, France are at equal parity.

IAF doesnt comes in the picture at all. If a war ever happens, IAF will get dished out a phainta of a life time.

PLAAF: Makes their own AWACS, Makes their own fighter jets, makes their own AESA radars, makes their own BVR/Anti ship missiles, makes their own bombers

PLAAF has every jet to cater to every kind of role in their inventory. From the SU-35 to the J-10C (equal performance to the F-16) they are covered on each base. Their beyond visual range missiles match the american AIM-120Cs and AIM-120Ds. India cannot imagine competing against their airforce. They will get annihilated inside India, they wont even reach China's airspace.

What IAF has? No local manufacturing, all foreign maal with SU30s with their lower availability (around 60/70%), pathetic BVR missiles - Pakistanis caught them with their pants down on 27th Feb with their AIM 120Cs humiliating IAF and made them cry for Rafaels and Meteor BVR.

IAF has literally 3 AWACs, even less than Pakistan which makes me LOL. Their Rafaels are not even here, they have no fighter jet equipped with AESA radar whereas most Chinese fighter jets are equipped with AESA radar.

Its clear that India will get smashed when it comes to a conventional war against China.

Which brings me to the point, i have noticed a behavior in which i saw jealousy, fear and an awe for China's prowess in the mind of Indian publics. An interesting case of sociology i must add.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The most shocking aspect of the Chinese intrusions is this: Many Indians clearly love <a href="https://twitter.com/narendramodi?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@narendramodi</a> more than they love their country.<br><br>They would close their eyes and allow China to capture chunks of Indian territory, rather than admit such a thing had happened on Modi’s watch.</p>— Ajai Shukla (@ajaishukla) <a href="https://twitter.com/ajaishukla/status/1268419958431596551?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is how Ajai Shukla defines himself:

Ajai Shukla
@ajaishukla
Business Standard writer | defence, defence economy | strategic affairs | South Asia | Kashmir | Colonel | Cavalry forever | New Delhi |

Indians must be disappointed by the incompetence of Indian army's lies.
 
India, Australia seal deal to use each other's military bases for logistics support

NEW DELHI: India and Australia on Thursday signed seven agreements, including landmark pact on access to military bases for logistics support, after first-ever virtual summit between PM Narendra Modi and his Aussie counterpart Scott Morrison.

A process of comprehensive reforms covering almost all areas has been initiated in India as it is viewing the coronavirus crisis as an "opportunity", Prime Minister Narendra Modi said on Thursday at the online summit with his Australian counterpart Scott Morrison.

The accord allows military ships and aircraft to refuel and access maintenance facilities, and is widely seen as being part of a broader strategy by democracies in the region to counter China's military and economic weight.

India has a similar pact with the United States which is seen as part of a broader security cooperation to balance China's growing economic and military weight in the region.

Although China is the biggest buyer of Australia's exports, there have been
trade frictions between the two recently. And Australia also raised China's hackles by pushing for an international review into the origins and spread of the novel coronavirus, which first emerged in the central Chinese city of Wuhan late last year.

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/pm...t-scott-morrison/amp_articleshow/76190643.cms

What does that bring to India? Australia is in an even further and remote corner of the planet. Nothing really that important in and around Australia.

Furthermore Australia now a days is full of Chinese-Australians (so much so that in Sydney CBD the majority of faces you see are Chinese). Australia is very heavily dependent on China for its mineral exports. I cant see any possible scenario where Australia will take a punga with chinese.

And ‘Democracies in the region’ LOL, as if world revolves around what kind of government is in a given country.

Jao ab koi naya item dhoond k lao.

Time to realise k Chinese se maar khatay huway koi bachanay nahee aae ga.
 
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Also to address the above, Indians have can purchase the SU-35 if they wanted and that too at a cheaper price than the Rafale, however the Chinese cannot purchase the Rafale. I am sure there is a good reason why Indians went with Rafale, Indians have enough knowledge of the Russian jets considering their fleet is mainly Russian. Abhijit's video imo gives a good explanation about the capabilities of the Russian jets in the sub continent area.

I hope you realise that ‘Chai’ actually originated in China!

Yeh lo:
https://www.tea.co.uk/history-of-tea
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The most shocking aspect of the Chinese intrusions is this: Many Indians clearly love <a href="https://twitter.com/narendramodi?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@narendramodi</a> more than they love their country.<br><br>They would close their eyes and allow China to capture chunks of Indian territory, rather than admit such a thing had happened on Modi’s watch.</p>— Ajai Shukla (@ajaishukla) <a href="https://twitter.com/ajaishukla/status/1268419958431596551?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>



Indians must be disappointed by the incompetence of Indian army's lies.

I would have given it more thought had Shukla not made this statement. He is on Ammayi Sonya's Payroll, so just because he is making these statements I have the comfort of believing what is happening will be the opposite of what he says. :)
 
All is good and rosy in the land of bhakts, there is delusional and then there is Modi Cult, after reading their posts and views it seem like they live in alternate reality or different universe all together, where shining India is Supa Power, and while world is jealous of them. Keep them posts coming, best source of comic relief. The day the start realizing their short coming will be the day they will really start their journey of actual progress and peace. Pakistan is no role model for that but we atleast don't have such delusions. We suck at most things but we accept them as well and don't bury our heads in sand. China has upper hand here and there is no shame in accepting that my fellow Indian posters.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The most shocking aspect of the Chinese intrusions is this: Many Indians clearly love <a href="https://twitter.com/narendramodi?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@narendramodi</a> more than they love their country.<br><br>They would close their eyes and allow China to capture chunks of Indian territory, rather than admit such a thing had happened on Modi’s watch.</p>— Ajai Shukla (@ajaishukla) <a href="https://twitter.com/ajaishukla/status/1268419958431596551?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>



Indians must be disappointed by the incompetence of Indian army's lies.

Everyone is lying except Ajai Shukla. Right?
 
What does that bring to India? Australia is in an even further and remote corner of the planet. Nothing really that important in and around Australia.

Furthermore Australia now a days is full of Chinese-Australians (so much so that in Sydney CBD the majority of faces you see are Chinese). Australia is very heavily dependent on China for its mineral exports. I cant see any possible scenario where Australia will take a punga with chinese.

And ‘Democracies in the region’ LOL, as if world revolves around what kind of government is in a given country.

Jao ab koi naya item dhoond k lao.

Time to realise k Chinese se maar khatay huway koi bachanay nahee aae ga.

Sab kuch pakistaniyon ke sochne se ho jata to India rehta hi nahi.

Just because Pakistan cant do anything doesn't mean every country in the world is in similar situation vis a vis the chinese.

If Chinese had so much ability, they would have taken Taiwan.
 
Let me clarify a few things:

1) Regarding day dreaming of companies leaving China to move their operations to countries like India - STOP. Low skilled labour, poor quality infrastructure, poor domestic manufacturing base, rampant corruption. India is eons below China and most of the countries for that matter. So, Indians should really stop day dreaming such scenarios.

2) Regarding PLAAF vs IAF:

Let me be clear that the only airforce better than PLAAF is the American Airforce, and countries like UK, France are at equal parity.

IAF doesnt comes in the picture at all. If a war ever happens, IAF will get dished out a phainta of a life time.

PLAAF: Makes their own AWACS, Makes their own fighter jets, makes their own AESA radars, makes their own BVR/Anti ship missiles, makes their own bombers

PLAAF has every jet to cater to every kind of role in their inventory. From the SU-35 to the J-10C (equal performance to the F-16) they are covered on each base. Their beyond visual range missiles match the american AIM-120Cs and AIM-120Ds. India cannot imagine competing against their airforce. They will get annihilated inside India, they wont even reach China's airspace.

What IAF has? No local manufacturing, all foreign maal with SU30s with their lower availability (around 60/70%), pathetic BVR missiles - Pakistanis caught them with their pants down on 27th Feb with their AIM 120Cs humiliating IAF and made them cry for Rafaels and Meteor BVR.

IAF has literally 3 AWACs, even less than Pakistan which makes me LOL. Their Rafaels are not even here, they have no fighter jet equipped with AESA radar whereas most Chinese fighter jets are equipped with AESA radar.

Its clear that India will get smashed when it comes to a conventional war against China.

Which brings me to the point, i have noticed a behavior in which i saw jealousy, fear and an awe for China's prowess in the mind of Indian publics. An interesting case of sociology i must add.
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[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] [MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION] still waiting for your reply. :23:
 
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] [MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION] still waiting for your reply. :23:

Like I said earlier sunny,, I forgive you for thinking Chinese products are dope, you are a Pakistani afterall :angel:
 
Sab kuch pakistaniyon ke sochne se ho jata to India rehta hi nahi.

Just because Pakistan cant do anything doesn't mean every country in the world is in similar situation vis a vis the chinese.

If Chinese had so much ability, they would have taken Taiwan.

Phir se khattay angoor. Think harder, you can do better than this.
 
Like I said earlier sunny,, I forgive you for thinking Chinese products are dope, you are a Pakistani afterall :angel:

You are posting like a true pappu supporter here. :inti

Below is a list highlighting 15 of China’s top trading partners in terms of export sales. That is, these countries imported the most Chinese shipments by dollar value during 2019. Also shown is each import country’s percentage of total Chinese exports.

United States: US$418.6 billion (16.8% of China’s total exports)
Hong Kong: $279.6 billion (11.2%)
Japan: $143.2 billion (5.7%)
South Korea: $111 billion (4.4%)
Vietnam: $98 billion (3.9%)
Germany: $79.7 billion (3.2%)
India: $74.9 billion (3%)
Netherlands: $73.9 billion (3%)
United Kingdom: $62.3 billion (2.5%)
Taiwan: $55.1 billion (2.2%)
Singapore: $55 billion (2.2%)
Malaysia: $52.5 billion (2.1%)
Russia: $49.5 billion (2%)
Australia: $48.1 billion (1.9%)
Mexico: $46.4 billion (1.9%)

http://www.worldstopexports.com/chinas-top-import-partners/
 
https://m.rediff.com/business/inter...wngrade-is-done-at-chinas-behest/20200605.htm

Nishikant Dubey -- the Bharatiya Janata Party member of the Lok Sabha who represents Godda in Jharkhand -- has urged Prime Minister Narendra Damodardas Modi to take immediate action against global rating agencies Moody's, Fitch and S&P, and has accused them of trying to destabilise India's economy as part of a Chinese conspiracy.

Dubey's statement came soon after Moody's downgraded India's sovereign rating to 'Baa3' from 'Baa2'.

These rating agencies are financed by China. And right now, in the post-pandemic world, China is worried that most companies will pack up and come to India.

In this scenario, if India is given a lower rating, then the investment cycle in India will slow down.

Lockdown is all over the world, but why are these rating agencies targeting India alone?
 
The bold part takes the cake. These sanghis are imbeciles of the highest order.

Moody being influenced by China to hit India! Btw, why didn't he name Pakistan, sanghis' pet hate?
 
Taking action against rating agencies? Lol, matlab kuch bhi?
 
I would have given it more thought had Shukla not made this statement. He is on Ammayi Sonya's Payroll, so just because he is making these statements I have the comfort of believing what is happening will be the opposite of what he says. :)

Yeah, either this guy or the Army's spokesperson is lying.
 
India, China agree to resolve border dispute 'peacefully' - statement

NEW DELHI (Reuters) - India and China agreed on Friday to resolve a dispute over their shared border in the Ladakh region through diplomatic channels, the Indian foreign affairs ministry said in a statement.

The statement came a day before top generals of the two countries are due to meet near the site of their border standoff to try and find a way to de-escalate the situation.

Indian officials said both sides would first focus on getting both the Indian army and the People’s Liberation Army to pull back additional troops and equipment deployed in the area.

Soldiers from both sides have been camped out in the Galwan Valley in the high-altitude Ladakh region, accusing each other of trespassing over the disputed border, the trigger of a brief but bloody war in 1962.

Senior officials of the two countries held a video conference and agreed that “the two sides should handle their differences through peaceful discussion” and should not allow them to become disputes, the foreign affairs ministry statement said.

In Beijing, Geng Shuang, a spokesman of China’s foreign affairs ministry, told reporters that the overall situation in the China-India border areas was currently “stable and controllable.”

While maintaining close communication through diplomatic and military channels, both sides are working to “properly resolve relevant issues,” the spokesman said, according to the statement posted on China’s foreign affairs ministry website.

Both sides recalled the consensus reached by their two leaders that peaceful, stable and balanced relations between India and China would be positive for stability in the current global situation, the Indian statement said.

https://in.reuters.com/article/chin...er-dispute-peacefully-statement-idINKBN23C2H3
 
You are posting like a true pappu supporter here. :inti

Below is a list highlighting 15 of China’s top trading partners in terms of export sales. That is, these countries imported the most Chinese shipments by dollar value during 2019. Also shown is each import country’s percentage of total Chinese exports.

United States: US$418.6 billion (16.8% of China’s total exports)
Hong Kong: $279.6 billion (11.2%)
Japan: $143.2 billion (5.7%)
South Korea: $111 billion (4.4%)
Vietnam: $98 billion (3.9%)
Germany: $79.7 billion (3.2%)
India: $74.9 billion (3%)
Netherlands: $73.9 billion (3%)
United Kingdom: $62.3 billion (2.5%)
Taiwan: $55.1 billion (2.2%)
Singapore: $55 billion (2.2%)
Malaysia: $52.5 billion (2.1%)
Russia: $49.5 billion (2%)
Australia: $48.1 billion (1.9%)
Mexico: $46.4 billion (1.9%)

http://www.worldstopexports.com/chinas-top-import-partners/

You are now posting like the true Pseudo Secular you are, next time read the discussion properly before responding, Slim and myself were discussing military products :inti:
 
Thats just a poor reply man. Maza nahi aya. :afaq

My knowledge on Chinese made radars, jets etc are not as good as CJ's. However like I said earlier all neutral defence forums I visited which are not India specific, are of the opinion they are junk. Most items China manufactured are knock off old Russian Tech, they copied a lot, heck apparently they even copied an S300, it looks like an S300 however defence forums indicate that it was not to upto par, missing targets consistently.

China's terrible jet engines:

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...ing-held-back-its-terrible-jet-engines-140252

Eventually China should put together an upto par jet engine, we shall see. I have seen some great debates between The Great Khan and CJ, if CJ chose to respond to you, he would smoke your Chinese made defence items bravado to smithereens. The fact he is choosing not to respond to you, shows he feels you are an amateur and not worth his time... However as I stated earlier in my post; you are forgiven for loving made in China Defence products :angel:, afterall Pakistan is the guinea pig for these copied items that China makes to be tested.

Oh and CJ may still respond to your post, I am keenly looking forward to reading his post, if he does :moyo2
 
After US, France, South Korea, Singapore & Australia, India now looking to ink military logistics pact with Japan

India is fast inking reciprocal military logistics pacts with like-minded countries to extend its strategic and naval operational reach in the entire Indian Ocean Region (IOR) and beyond, with an eye firmly on China’s expansionist behavior in the Indo-Pacific.

After similar agreements with the US, France, South Korea and Singapore, it was India’s turn to ink the mutual logistics support arrangement (MLSA) with Australia during the virtual summit between the two PMs on Thursday.

That’s not all. India is set to ink a military logistics pact with Japan next, while similar agreements with Russia and UK are also being negotiated, said sources. “The MLSA will enable our warships to get refueling from Australian tankers on the high seas, while also availing of berthing, maintenance and storage facilities at Australian naval bases. It will, of course, be on a reciprocal basis,” said a source.

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/af...-pact-with-japan/amp_articleshow/76201701.cms


No wonder China agreed to resolve the matter 'peacefully' :))

As I said from very 1st day - this aint 1960s, Congress does not rule here anymore and China's cold war threat dont bother us. At a time when there is a global anger on China and Indian diplomacy is at all time high due to able PM, China had no other option unfortunately.
 
India and China generals hold meeting to defuse border standoff

The talks come after multiple local military level meetings failed to defuse the tension.

Top Chinese and Indian generals are holding high-level talks in a Himalayan outpost in a bid to end the latest border standoff between the world's two most populous nations that has seen thousands of troops sent to both sides of the disputed border.

The talks are being held in the border outpost of Maldo on the Chinese side of the Line of Actual Control (LAC) - the de facto border between the two countries, India-based NDTV channel reported.

The talks come after multiple local military level meetings failed to defuse the tension, which arose after troops from both sides were involved in scuffles in early May followed by Chinese intrusion in several border areas that New Delhi claims as its own.

Most of 3,488km-long (2,167 miles) border between the two countries is disputed and non-demarcated.

Retired Northern Army Commander Lt Gen DS Hooda described the high-level talks as "unprecedented".

"I have not seen Corps Commander level officers carrying out military talks," Lt Gen DS Hooda was quoted as saying by theprint.in website.

As the talks take place, here are the key points that have led to the dispute and the pitfalls as the two nations, who fought a 1962 border war and have clashed many times since, over the solution:

Fist-fights and handshakes at the frontier
The face-off in eastern Ladakh region, which was carved out of Indian-administered Kashmir last August, started on May 5 and May 6 when soldiers of both sides were involved in a skirmish.

On May 9, several Indian and Chinese troops were injured in fights with fists, stones and wooden batons in Sikkim state - about 1,200km east the Ladakh region.

Indian officials say that within days, Chinese troops had encroached on the Indian side of their demarcation line in the Ladakh region further to the west.

India has moved extra troops to positions opposite. The generals are to meet at a point near the face-off known as Chushul-Moldo for the highest-level talks since the fisticuffs, according to military sources.

Experts say that new roads on the Indian side of the line may have rankled China.

But the dividing line between India and China is more like a scar - that includes a ceasefire LAC - than a border.

The countries cannot even agree on how long it is. India gives a figure of 3,488 kilometres (2,167 miles). China does not give a number, but state media says the border should be just 2,000km (1,250 miles) when China's claims in Jammu and Kashmir and Ladakh and other regions are taken into account.

Each side uses different frontier proposals made by Britain to China in the 19th century to back their claims.

Increasingly tense border talks and a series of skirmishes led to the 1962 war, mainly fought above 4,000 metres (14,000 feet), in which China took territory from India in Arunachal Pradesh.

Regular clashes have followed and the rival sides staged a 73-day showdown in the Doklam plateau in 2017.

India-China powerplay
High altitude face-offs have become more frequent in recent years. There have been four since President Xi Jinping took power in 2012.

The US administration has said this is a new sign of China's growing military assertiveness.

India has also taken a tougher line on security since nationalist prime minister Narendra Modi took office in 2014.

"India does not want to hurt any country's pride, neither can it tolerate if a country wants to hurt ours," said Defence Minister Rajnath Singh last week.

Tamanna Salikuddin, a South Asia expert at the US Institute of Peace think-tank, linked the tensions to India's fierce rivalry with Pakistan, an ally of China.

"From the Indian perspective, China's aggression is seen as supportive of Pakistan's efforts to contest the borders with India in this highly inflammable region."

While India and China are better armed and more stubborn, no shots have been fired across the disputed border since 1975. Diplomats say this is part of an unofficial "de-escalation pact".

And while they blame each other for the latest flare-up and both countries are looking for diversions from the global pandemic crisis, both insist negotiating avenues such as the Chusho-Moldo talks can act as a safety valve for their frustrations.

Salikuddin said there is a risk of escalation because of the high number of "troops and heavy weaponry" in the zone but the two sides have a "robust conflict management arrangement".

And ultimately there is growing recognition that India and China cannot live without each other.

India's Finance Minister Nirmala Sitharaman told WION TV this week that once the pandemic is over "if there are two engines of growth for the global economies ... it is only two countries and they are India and China".

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/...00606103310701.html?__twitter_impression=true
 
From what I’ve read, talks have thankfully failed, with no joint communique issued after six hours. Yesterday I was quite despondent that the skirmishes were all but over, but there’s hope yet.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This made my blood boil but it also made me laugh a lot, <br>Very confused...<br>😂😂😂 <a href="https://t.co/1OgJZGmcn7">pic.twitter.com/1OgJZGmcn7</a></p>— Kunal Kamra (@kunalkamra88) <a href="https://twitter.com/kunalkamra88/status/1269207604510765056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Lawmakers Form Global Coalition to Tackle the China 'Challenge'


BY AMY GUNIA

JUNE 5, 2020 3:27 AM EDT

Lawmakers from several countries announced on Friday the formation of a new coalition formed to counter the “challenge” presented by China’s ascendancy on the world stage.

The Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China (IPAC) is comprised of 18 politicians, including U.S. Senators Marco Rubio and Robert Menendez. Other members represent Australia, Canada, Germany, Japan, Norway, Sweden, the U.K. and the European Parliament.

The group’s stated mission is to increase collaboration between “like-minded legislators” to craft a “strategic approach” on issues related to China, according to its website.

“China, under the rule of the Chinese Communist Party, represents a global challenge,” says Rubio, in a video posted on Twitter announcing the launch of the group. “We the Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China stand together to coordinate the response to this great challenge.”


The organization describes its goals as safeguarding the international rules-based order, upholding human rights, promoting fair trade, strengthening security and promoting national integrity.

“We thought China would open up over time. This hasn’t happened,” Elisabet Lann, one of the group’s members and the deputy mayor for the Christian democrats in Gothenburg, Sweden, says in the video.

The new coalition comes at a time of worsening relations between the U.S. and China, a standoff that has been exacerbated by finger-pointing over the coronavirus pandemic.

Washington has also taken a tough stance on Beijing’s actions in the semiautonomous territory Hong Kong.

At the end of May, Beijing’s announced it would implement national security laws in Hong Kong, a move aimed at clamping down on anti-government unrest in the enclave. The decision prompted Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to decertify Hong Kong’s autonomy, putting at risk the territory’s special economic and trade relationship with the U.S.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1268678597868388358

https://time.com/5848808/inter-parliamentary-alliance-china/

World is uniting against China.. This is going to get interesting..
 
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From what I’ve read, talks have thankfully failed, with no joint communique issued after six hours. Yesterday I was quite despondent that the skirmishes were all but over, but there’s hope yet.

Yes not much about this on the hardcore-band BJP channel Republic TV. If even the slightest of positive newz were there they would have been all over this 24x7.

And what is this new trend with indian media and even indian posters here running to western countries for support against China?
 
Yes not much about this on the hardcore-band BJP channel Republic TV. If even the slightest of positive newz were there they would have been all over this 24x7.

And what is this new trend with indian media and even indian posters here running to western countries for support against China?

I've never followed their media. I get all the Kashmir-related content from Kashmiris. Speaking of which, while there is some consternation among a few Kashmiris about China encroaching on part of the erstwhile princely state, most of them are fairly sanguine about the Chinese incursions, since the valleywallahs don't really have anything in common with people in Leh, although links with Kargil are treasured. Let the Chinese have Leh, seems to be the consensus. Schadenfreude at the Humsaaya Mulk's discontent is the dominant sentiment, as it should be.

As for the HM looking to the West, can't fault them for seeking help where they can. Its a delicate moment this, with anti-Chinese sentiment palpably on the rise in the West. Coronavirus played a big role, but there's Xinjiang and Hong Kong too, and one can tell from influential Western journals that a segue towards China being a designated foe is in the works. From the Pakistani perspective, I just hope the Chinese make enough inroads into Leh before it is too late.
 
While the Army can handle the border skirmishes, diplomatically need the businesses and Indian politicians to work endlessly to make sure this is noted Internationally , politics is an important aspect of every battle unfortunately BJP isn't as seasoned as Congress was.
 
China has just realised how influential india can be in global world. This diversionary tactics and trying to establish sovereignty in neighbouring nations will fail admirably. War between 2 nuclear armed and advanced weaponry nations is just out of question.
India in long run will gain in trade relations because of this bullying nature of China spanning across uk Australia usa ..
it’s only just the chinese debt ridden countries who will continue to tow their line.
 
China has just realised how influential india can be in global world. This diversionary tactics and trying to establish sovereignty in neighbouring nations will fail admirably. War between 2 nuclear armed and <b> advanced weaponry nations</b> is just out of question.
India in long run will gain in trade relations because of this bullying nature of China spanning across uk Australia usa ..
it’s only just the chinese debt ridden countries who will continue to tow their line.

The nuclear bit is true but not sure about advanced weaponry. Which advanced weapons has india got in good numbers?

Also the same logic reg nuclear warheads equalising the situation also applies to other countries in possible economic and political conflicts with each other. I doubt there will ever be a full fledge war between any 2 nuclear armed states.

As for India gaining in trade in the long run. What makes you think that?

Just having a large population isn’t sufficient you also need to matching infrastructure, work culture and socio-political stability. Now in 2020 the global economy is spanned all over the world, there are many competitors for the same FDI and Manufacturing outsourcing. Also China has now built a strong clout everywhere where they could get hold of resources, they have entangled many african, asian and western countries in their web of loans (similar to cpec).

Competing against all this would be very difficult.
 
China has just realised how influential india can be in global world. This diversionary tactics and trying to establish sovereignty in neighbouring nations will fail admirably. War between 2 nuclear armed and advanced weaponry nations is just out of question.
India in long run will gain in trade relations because of this bullying nature of China spanning across uk Australia usa ..
it’s only just the chinese debt ridden countries who will continue to tow their line.

So India's strategy will be to provide more compliant service to the UK, Australia and the US. I feel that India should pay more regard to their own region rather than pin their hopes on servitude to other continents. Unless of course they feel this is their natural place.
 
So India's strategy will be to provide more compliant service to the UK, Australia and the US. I feel that India should pay more regard to their own region rather than pin their hopes on servitude to other continents. Unless of course they feel this is their natural place.

If that's how the world would had worked Arabs won't be selling in Dollars, and Drones wouldn't had flown over Pakistan, gas pipeline would had been made from IRAN to Pak, South East Asia would had welcomed China into their sea, etc etc.

All this region talks are are ** when Pak was the among biggest allies for western nations for majority of its existence.
 
If that's how the world would had worked Arabs won't be selling in Dollars, and Drones wouldn't had flown over Pakistan, gas pipeline would had been made from IRAN to Pak, South East Asia would had welcomed China into their sea, etc etc.

All this region talks are are ** when Pak was the among biggest allies for western nations for majority of its existence.

But Pakistan is a country based on religion, whereas India is based on region. So I don't see any problem with Pakistan allying with western nations who shared their ideals at the time.
 
But Pakistan is a country based on religion, whereas India is based on region. So I don't see any problem with Pakistan allying with western nations who shared their ideals at the time.

Ideals? When have western nations shared ideals of Pakistan? Which ideals are these that America and Pakistan have shared on religion?
And Pakistan was formed based on Muslims of Subcontinent, atleast that's what i thought.
 
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Indian and Chinese military commanders agreed to peacefully resolve the current border issue in eastern Ladakh in accordance with bilateral pacts as well as the agreement reached between leadership of the two countries, the External Affairs Ministry said on Sunday.

The two sides held high-level military talks on Saturday in an attempt to resolve the month-long bitter standoff in mountainous eastern Ladakh.

"Both sides agreed to peacefully resolve the situation in the border areas in accordance with various bilateral agreements and keeping in view the agreement between the leaders that peace and tranquillity in the India-China border regions is essential for the overall development of bilateral relations, the MEA said in a brief statement.

The military talks took place at the Border Personnel Meeting Point in Maldo on the Chinese side of the Line of Actual Control in Chushul sector.

"Both sides also noted that this year marked the 70th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between the two countries and agreed that an early resolution would contribute to the further development of the relationship," the MEA said.

"Accordingly, the two sides will continue the military and diplomatic engagements to resolve the situation and to ensure peace and tranquillity in the border areas," it said.

https://www.outlookindia.com/websit...gh-talks-after-top-military-level-meet/354289
 
Top Chinese and Indian generals have held high-level talks in a Himalayan outpost in a bid to end the latest border standoff between the world's two most populous nations that has seen thousands of troops sent to both sides of the disputed border.

According to India's foreign ministry, the meeting took place in a "cordial and positive atmosphere".

"Both sides agreed to peacefully resolve the situation in the border areas in accordance with various bilateral agreements and keeping in view the agreement between the leaders that peace and tranquility in the India-China border regions is essential for the overall development of bilateral relations,” the statement from the external affairs ministry on Sunday said.

There was no immediate reaction from Beijing.

The talks were held in the border outpost of Maldo on the Chinese side of the Line of Actual Control (LAC) - the de facto border between the two countries, India-based NDTV channel reported.

They took place after multiple local military level meetings failed to defuse the tension, which arose after troops from both sides were involved in scuffles in early May followed by Chinese intrusion in several border areas that New Delhi claims as its own.

Most of 3,488km-long (2,167 miles) border between the two countries is disputed and non-demarcated.

Retired Northern Army Commander Lt Gen DS Hooda described the high-level talks as "unprecedented".

"I have not seen Corps Commander level officers carrying out military talks," Lt Gen DS Hooda was quoted as saying by theprint.in website.

As the talks take place, here are the key points that have led to the dispute and the pitfalls as the two nations, who fought a 1962 border war and have clashed many times since, over the solution:

Fist-fights and handshakes at the frontier

The face-off in eastern Ladakh region, which was carved out of Indian-administered Kashmir last August, started on May 5 and May 6 when soldiers of both sides were involved in a skirmish.

On May 9, several Indian and Chinese troops were injured in fights with fists, stones and wooden batons in Sikkim state - about 1,200km east the Ladakh region.

Indian officials say that within days, Chinese troops had encroached on the Indian side of their demarcation line in the Ladakh region further to the west.

India has moved extra troops to positions opposite.

Experts say that new roads on the Indian side of the line may have rankled China.

But the dividing line between India and China is more like a scar - that includes a ceasefire LAC - than a border.

The countries cannot even agree on how long it is. India gives a figure of 3,488 kilometres (2,167 miles). China does not give a number, but state media says the border should be just 2,000km (1,250 miles) when China's claims in Jammu and Kashmir and Ladakh and other regions are taken into account.

Each side uses different frontier proposals made by Britain to China in the 19th century to back their claims.

Increasingly tense border talks and a series of skirmishes led to the 1962 war, mainly fought above 4,000 metres (14,000 feet), in which China took territory from India in Arunachal Pradesh.

Regular clashes have followed and the rival sides staged a 73-day showdown in the Doklam plateau in 2017.

India-China powerplay

High altitude face-offs have become more frequent in recent years. There have been four since President Xi Jinping took power in 2012.

The US administration has said this is a new sign of China's growing military assertiveness.

India has also taken a tougher line on security since nationalist prime minister Narendra Modi took office in 2014.

"India does not want to hurt any country's pride, neither can it tolerate if a country wants to hurt ours," said Defence Minister Rajnath Singh last week.

Tamanna Salikuddin, a South Asia expert at the US Institute of Peace think-tank, linked the tensions to India's fierce rivalry with Pakistan, an ally of China.

"From the Indian perspective, China's aggression is seen as supportive of Pakistan's efforts to contest the borders with India in this highly inflammable region," Salikuddin said.

However, according to Ashley Tellis, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, Beijing's concerns "appear to have grown since the August 2019 Indian decision to make Ladakh" a federally-administered territory.

India's Hindu nationalist government stripped the Muslim-majority Himalayan region's limited autonomy on August 5, 2019, heightening tensions with its nuclear-armed neighbours China and Pakistan.

Carnegie's Tellis believes the latest Chinese advancement in the Ladakh region leave India only with "painful" choices.

"Beijing has moved into disputed territories that did not host a continual Chinese presence as recently as January 2020," Tellis wrote.

"China’s first-mover advantage has now locked India into the awkward position of trying to negotiate a Chinese withdrawal from these new occupations, which is an unlikely prospect especially in areas like Pangong Tso, where China is aggressively completing a motorable road, and in the Galwan Valley, where it is reportedly building bunkers and barracks."

The senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace noted that even if China were to withdraw as a result of negotiations with India, "the new infrastructure it has created would likely survive as a ready asset to be utilised in some future contingency".

While India and China are better armed and more stubborn, no shots have been fired across the disputed border since 1975. Diplomats say this is part of an unofficial "de-escalation pact".

And while they blame each other for the latest flare-up and both countries are looking for diversions from the global pandemic crisis, both insist negotiating avenues such as the Chusho-Moldo talks can act as a safety valve for their frustrations.

Salikuddin said there is a risk of escalation because of the high number of "troops and heavy weaponry" in the zone but the two sides have a "robust conflict management arrangement".

And ultimately there is growing recognition that India and China cannot live without each other.

India's Finance Minister Nirmala Sitharaman told WION TV this week that once the pandemic is over "if there are two engines of growth for the global economies ... it is only two countries and they are India and China".

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...g-defuse-border-standoff-200606103310701.html
 
The ongoing border issues between China and India will not likely escalate into another Doklam standoff after military commanders from both sides held talks on Saturday that resulted in positive agreements on peacefully resolving the situation, Chinese experts said on Monday.

However, due to the complexity of the situation, the military standoff could continue for a little longer, they noted.

A meeting was held between the Indian Corps Commander based in Leh and the Chinese Commander on Saturday in a cordial and positive atmosphere, according to a statement the Indian Ministry of External Affairs released on Sunday.

Both sides agreed to peacefully resolve the situation in the border areas in accordance with various bilateral agreements and keeping in view the agreement between the leaders that peace and tranquility in the India-China border regions is essential for the overall development of bilateral relations, the Indian statement reads.

In recent weeks, India and China have maintained communication through established diplomatic and military channels to address the situation in areas along the India-China border, it said.

The talks between the two countries' senior military officers came at a time when China-India border tensions flared up after India recently illegally constructed defense facilities across the border into Chinese territory in the Galwan Valley region, and Chinese border defense troops countered with increased border control measures.

Qian Feng, a senior fellow at the Taihe Institute and director of the research department of the National Strategy Institute at Tsinghua University in Beijing, told the Global Times on Monday that the recent talks involved high-ranking officers from both militaries, indicating that both sides are paying great attention to the situation and do not want to escalate it.

It showed that China and India remain determined to peacefully resolve border issues, Qian said, noting that both sides have the strategic wisdom to see through the US' ulterior motive in intervening and encouraging India to confront China at a time when China-US relations are deteriorating.

Media reports suggest both sides have been reinforcing their troops in the border areas, leading to another standoff that some said will become a second Doklam crisis.

This will not be the case, as both sides have gained a great deal of experience from the Doklam incident in 2017, and since then all kinds of bilateral mechanisms including on military, diplomatic and local issues have been established, which has eliminated the possibility of an incident escalating into a crisis, experts noted.

That being said, the ongoing standoff is not likely to end immediately, as concrete issues must still be resolved, Qian said. The trigger of the event, India's construction of infrastructure on Chinese territory, must be stopped, or China will not accept the situation, he said.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1190889.shtml


The Chinese are not leaving in a hurry it seems :13:
 
This is what motabhai has to say about Indo-China border imbroglio,

"India's defence policy has gained global acceptance. The whole world agrees that after US and Israel if there is any other country that is able to protect its borders, it is India," Mr Shah had said at the virtual rally held on Sunday.
 
China on Monday said the militaries of the two countries had reached a consensus during the weekend talks not to allow differences to escalate into disputes.

In brief comments on the meeting between senior military officers on Saturday to resolve the standoff in Ladakh, the Chinese foreign ministry said on Monday that the two sides had agreed to implement the consensus reached between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and President Xi Jinping not to allow differences to become disputes.

Modi and Xi have reiterated several times including during their second informal summit in Chennai last October that New Delhi and Beijing should not allow differences to escalate into disputes; differences can be managed, they reiterated.

In the first meeting of senior military officers since Indian and Chinese border troops got locked in a standoff along the LAC in Ladakh, a delegation led Lt Gen Harinder Singh, commander of Leh-based 14 Corps, held talks with a Chinese delegation led by Maj Gen Liu Lin, commander of the South Xinjiang military region, at Moldo on the Chinese side of the LAC on Saturday.

“On the afternoon of June 6, a meeting was held between the commanders of China and India in the Chusul-Moldo region. The two sides held consultations,” foreign ministry spokesperson, Hua Chunying said at regular ministry briefing on Monday.

“Recently through diplomatic and military channels, the two sides have maintained close communication on the situation along the border,” she said.

“One consensus (of the talks) is that the two sides need to implement the two leaders’ consensus and make sure that the differences do not escalate into disputes. And, the two sides will work to maintain peace and tranquility along the border and create a good atmosphere,” she said.

“So, the situation overall is stable and controllable and the two sides are ready to engage in consultation to properly solve the relevant issues,” Hua added.

The Chinese foreign ministry’s statement echoed the Indian one – at least in tone if not in length -- issued by the external affairs ministry on Sunday.

“The two sides will continue the military and diplomatic engagements to resolve the situation and to ensure peace and tranquillity in the border areas,” the Indian statement said.

That Hua said that the “two sides are ready to engage in consultation…” is seen as an indicator that more dialogue was needed to resolve the current friction.

On Friday, joint secretary (East Asia) Naveen Srivastava of the external affairs ministry had held talks with Wu Jianghao, director general in China’s foreign ministry, through video conference to review bilateral relations, including “current developments”.

This was the first formal diplomatic meeting between the two sides since tensions flared along the LAC.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...ntain-peace/story-LlcXqNDfztkbiMu2cCAgsN.html
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For those who think China stands a chance against India in a war. The only reason Modi let PLA do what it wanted in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ladakh?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Ladakh</a> was because he felt sorry for the parents of chinese soldiers. That is the ONLY reason! <a href="https://t.co/J48TljKq0N">pic.twitter.com/J48TljKq0N</a></p>— Asfandyar Bhittani (@BhittaniKhannnn) <a href="https://twitter.com/BhittaniKhannnn/status/1270412079544127488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Such big hearted stuff from India, they are giving up their territory without a fight just so parents of chinese soldiers don’t lose their kids.
 
Lol, comic stuff from Sudhir though entirely expected behaviour from him.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For those who think China stands a chance against India in a war. The only reason Modi let PLA do what it wanted in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ladakh?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Ladakh</a> was because he felt sorry for the parents of chinese soldiers. That is the ONLY reason! <a href="https://t.co/J48TljKq0N">pic.twitter.com/J48TljKq0N</a></p>— Asfandyar Bhittani (@BhittaniKhannnn) <a href="https://twitter.com/BhittaniKhannnn/status/1270412079544127488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Such big hearted stuff from India, they are giving up their territory without a fight just so parents of chinese soldiers don’t lose their kids.

Haha. Sudhir Chaudhary at it again. Arnab, Rahul Shivshankar, Navika and Sudhir should start their own comedy nights show. :inti
 
The spokesman of the Chinese embassy in Pakistan created a flutter in diplomatic circles by appearing to suggest the standoff between Indian and Chinese border troops was linked to New Delhi’s decision to scrap Jammu and Kashmir’s special status last year.

Wang Xianfeng, whose Twitter bio describes him as press officer at the Chinese mission in Islamabad, included in his tweet a link to an article by a scholar from an influential think tank affiliated with China’s ministry of state security or main intelligence agency, which also suggested a connection between the border tensions and the change in Kashmir’s status.

“India’s actions of unilaterally changing the status quo of Kashmir and continuing to exacerbate regional tensions have posed a challenge to the sovereignty of China and Pakistan and made the India-Pakistan relations and China-India relations more complex,” Wang tweeted.

People familiar with developments said Wang is responsible for liaising with the Pakistani media. Though the tweet could represent his personal opinion, this is the first time a Chinese official has sought to link the border standoff with the change in Kashmir’s status, including the creation of the union territory of Ladakh, which particularly angered China.

India and China are currently engaged through diplomatic and military channels for an “early resolution” of the border standoff after what Indian officials have described as a “limited military disengagement” along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in Ladakh, the focus of the tensions.

When India scrapped Jammu and Kashmir’s special status on August 5 last year, the Chinese foreign ministry had issued two statements criticising the development, including one that focused on the splitting of the state into union territories.

This statement, while urging India to be “cautious” on the border issue and to avoid “actions that further complicate the border issue”, said: “China has always opposed India’s inclusion of Chinese territory in India’s administrative jurisdiction in the western part of the Sino-Indian border.” This was a reference to the area in Ladakh that New Delhi claims but is controlled by Beijing.

Wang’s tweet linked to the article by scholar Wang Shida of the China Institutes of Contemporary International Relations, which began by saying India had since last August “taken constant actions to unilaterally change the status quo of Kashmir and continued to exacerbate regional tensions”.

The article, titled “India blinded by ‘double confidence’”, said India’s move to change the status quo in Kashmir “constitutes a serious threat to regional peace” and “posed a challenge to the sovereignty of Pakistan and China”.

“On the Chinese side, India ‘opened up new territory on the map’, incorporated part of the areas under the local jurisdiction of Xinjiang and Tibet into its Ladakh union territory, and placed Pakistani-administered Kashmir within its so-called union territories of Jammu and Kashmir,” the article said.

“This forced China into the Kashmir dispute, stimulated China and Pakistan to take counter-actions on the Kashmir issue, and dramatically increased the difficulty in resolving the border issue between China and India,” it added.

The article noted that China’s foreign minister Wang Yi had conveyed his country’s position on these issues to external affairs minister S Jaishankar when he visited Beijing last year – that “India’s moves challenged China’s sovereign rights and interests and violated the agreement on maintaining peace and tranquillity in the border areas between the two countries”.

At the time, Jaishankar had informed the Chinese side that India’s action was a purely internal matter with no consequences for the country’s external boundaries.

Amitabh Mathur, a former special secretary in the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW), questioned the timing of the Chinese official’s tweet and said it underscored the complex issues involved in the ongoing standoff.

“It seems as if the Chinese are leaning on us and the situation isn’t as simple as some are making it out to be. It’s also strange that such a tweet emanated from a Chinese official in Islamabad. There is a Pakistani connection to it and it’s almost as if the Chinese are trying to reassure the Pakistanis,” he said.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...s-a-flutter/story-Jn0zkpbBFql6pcsdfKe82K.html
 
The consensus among the more measured commentators in the Humsaaya Mulk appears to be that the Chinese have made it clear they are a part and parcel of the dispute, which will eventually lead to the issue being brought back from the backburner to the forefront, quite contrary to what the Hindutva regime wanted.

I hope the Chinese force it further by making a move for Daulat Beg Oldie, now that they reportedly dominate the Galwan Valley and claim it in its entirety. This would really put the cat amongst the pigeons, and while it isn't sagacious to expect such largesse from this most inscrutable of allies, if it were to happen, who are we to complain?
 
India and China will never go to war even if it is just a scuffle here and there. We will get creamed by the Chinese. The Chinese clearly want us to do something so they can react and exert dominance. They are baiting us. You really wanna do something ? Ban chinese products in India.
 
China occupying 40 KMs of Indian Territory in Ladakh - True or False?

need to know what Indian ppers think about this issue .... ist true or false .... no need to beat around the bush argument .... just simple answer.
 
well the Chinese have moved back with the 5 posts, its been confirmed by both sides.

What i want to know is how many Chinese soldiers took to do this
 
India and China will never go to war even if it is just a scuffle here and there. We will get creamed by the Chinese. The Chinese clearly want us to do something so they can react and exert dominance. They are baiting us. You really wanna do something ? Ban chinese products in India.

Question is an india do this, just have a look at the tech industry- like most countries your way behind them and even more so in manufacturing.

I dont believe indian can live without a chinese made phone
 
Nuclear weapons are a great leveller. However strong China is militarily they cannot think of walking over another nuclear powered country in these times. This is not 1900s. All it can do is exert trade sanctions and restrictions and nothing much.

So China should stop having these wet dreams and get back to fixing global relations with countries, which is taking a severe beating.
Yes some nations have developed dependency on China but things can change too if those nations take a resolve.
China has surmounting debts around world and if not careful will be caught in its own web
 
Nuclear weapons are a great leveller. However strong China is militarily they cannot think of walking over another nuclear powered country in these times. This is not 1900s. All it can do is exert trade sanctions and restrictions and nothing much.

So China should stop having these wet dreams and get back to fixing global relations with countries, which is taking a severe beating.
Yes some nations have developed dependency on China but things can change too if those nations take a resolve.
China has surmounting debts around world and if not careful will be caught in its own web

Why will China need nuclear weapons when it can easily use Biological Weapons like Coronavirus and break the backbone of a country like India? You are underestimating China. :inti
 
Why will China need nuclear weapons when it can easily use Biological Weapons like Coronavirus and break the backbone of a country like India? You are underestimating China. :inti
But last time I heard wasn't carona a new episode in a long soap opera of jihads ?
 
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