China-India standoff and border tension

[FearlessRoar]

Jaishankar has a lot of arrogance. His arrogance will soon be shattered by China.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Jaishankar has a lot of arrogance. His arrogance will soon be shattered by China.

What was arrogant about what Jaishankar said? China claims Arunachal because of its empire from maybe the Ming Dynasty era.

Arunachal is an integral part of India and there's nothing PRC can do about it.

 

[JaDed]

Jaishankar has a lot of arrogance. His arrogance will soon be shattered by China.

No one praises Jaishankar more than Pakistanis.

 

[rickroll]

Jaishankar has a lot of arrogance. His arrogance will soon be shattered by China.

I do not like Jaishankar as an adversary but I do admire the man for his knowledge, being articulate, and not bowing down to pressure from the likes of China, EU, or US.

I for one wish Pakistan has someone like Jaishankar in that role instead of the clowns that typically fill that role (and I'm sure majority of Pakistanis will agree with me).

 

[FearlessRoar]

2 Chinese Nationals Among 4 Arrested For Gold Smuggling Worth ₹ 5.45 Crore At Delhi Airport

Two Chinese nationals were among four passengers who were arrested for allegedly smuggling gold worth ₹ 5.45 crore at the international airport in Delhi, the customs department said today.

The accused were intercepted after their arrival from Hong Kong on Tuesday.

The detailed examination of their baggage and personal search resulted in recovery of 8.2 kg gold, having tariff value of ₹ 5.45 crore, it said.

"All four passengers (three women and a man) were from the same family and were involved in smuggling the foreign-origin gold," the statement issued by the customs department said.

The accused have been arrested and the gold was seized, it added.

2 Chinese Nationals Among 4 Arrested For Gold Smuggling Worth Rs 5.45 Crore At Delhi Airport

Two Chinese nationals were among four passengers who were arrested for allegedly smuggling gold worth Rs 5.45 crore at the international airport in Delhi, the customs department said today.

www.ndtv.com

 

[cricketjoshila]

Jaishankar has a lot of arrogance. His arrogance will soon be shattered by China.

Bhai we don't live on Chinese loans and investments. China can do nothing to Jaishankar.

 

[sweep_shot]

India-China Stand-Off Enters 5th Consecutive Winter; Indian Army Takes ‘Civilian Help’ To Hold Fort!​

As the Indian Army troops prepare to be deployed for the fifth consecutive winter along the Line of Actual Control with China, the force faces the challenge of keeping the logistics line open at the forward bases in one of the most treacherous terrains.

To meet this challenge, the Indian Army is co-opting civil helicopters to reserve its helicopter fleet for more critical roles, like combat.

Since the violent clashes between the Indian and Chinese troops in the Galwan Valley in 2020, the Indian forces have been deployed in forward locations.

Despite ongoing negotiations, the ‘trust deficit’ between the two countries warranted the deployment of troops at these forward locations. With China building permanent defenses along the 3,488-kilometer-long LAC and the People’s Liberation Army not planning to return to its peacetime locations, the Indian Army will assume its role as the first line of defense for the fifth consecutive winter.

The protracted deployment has not only impacted the fatigue in the machine but has also pushed the Indian Army to change its posturing. In 2022, the Army changed the operational tasks of six of its Divisions from the Ladakh sector to Arunachal Pradesh and shifted their focus from the Pakistan front towards China.

Now, the Indian Army will contract civil aviation helicopters, public (Pawan Hans) and private, instead of the Indian Army’s or Indian Air Force helicopters. The contract is to provide logistical support to the Army’s posts along the northern and Western borders cut off during the winters.

The contract is for one year to ensure the serviceability of 16 remote posts in the Jammu region and 28 posts in Kashmir and Ladakh. Indian Army officials have indicated that besides reducing costs, the move is a strategic step “to preserve the service life of military helicopters for more critical roles in combat or emergency scenarios.”

The helicopters, provided under the contract, will operate from seven mounting bases in Ladakh, two in Kashmir, and one in the Jammu region, covering 44 posts. This step is seen as a decisive shift in how the Indian Army maintains its critical positions in high-altitude regions during the harsh winter months when these areas are otherwise inaccessible due to snow.

As per the contract, the civil aviation service provider will shoulder the entire load-carrying effort to sustain these posts. The helicopters will ferry food, fuel, medical supplies, and other essential items, ensuring that these high-altitude positions remain fully operational and well-supplied during winter.

Plans are afoot to expand the model to other strategic regions, including Himachal Pradesh, Uttarakhand, and the Northeast.

The move is aimed at validating whether civil aviation infrastructure can be used by the military during conflict situations. The Army hopes that using civil aviation for logistics in the border regions will facilitate tourism in the region.

Keeping an eye on China, the Indian Air Force is quietly upgrading its infrastructure at 20 air bases along the eastern border. It is not only adding hardened aircraft shelters and munition centers to carry out China-centric operations in case of an eventuality, but it is also constructing additional runways to offset the increased civilian traffic and to have a plan B should one of the runways be bombed by the enemy forces during the war.

For instance, a second runway is being constructed at the strategic Leh airbase in Ladakh, which has been the center point of several clashes between the Indian and Chinese military in the last few years. The base is critical for maintaining the Indian military’s operation along the Line of Actual Control with China and Siachen.

Since the 2020 Galwan standoff, Beijing has been scaling up its air assets along the LAC. A recent image of Shigatse Air Base in China showed the deployment of China’s 5th-generation fighter jet, the Chengdu J-20 Mighty Dragon.

The Chinese infrastructure push has included the construction of new airbases, missile sites, roads, bridges, reinforced bunkers, underground facilities to protect military assets from aerial strikes, accommodation for soldiers, and ammunition depots.


China’s bridge over the Pangong Lake in Ladakh is almost ready. It could soon be used to move men and material during a potential conflict.

Pangong Tso is a lake in the Ladakh region. Two-thirds of it falls on China’s side of the Line of Actual Control (LAC). Since 2017, it has been a spot of clashes between Indian and Chinese troops.

As tensions continued to simmer between the two countries, China built a new division-level headquarters and garrison in the region to support its troops posted at the lake. The headquarters was established in the territory claimed by India and built up over the encampments that came during the 2020 standoff.

Facing Two Enemies – China & The Weather​

China has deployed two divisions of troops backed by rocket and missile regiments, while India has deployed troops in equal numbers at the LAC.


The opening sentences of the ‘Fighting in Ladakh’ chapter of India’s official History of The Conflict with China, 1962 (published three decades later) read: “The first problem faced by a soldier in Ladakh is survival, fighting the enemy comes next… The peculiar geography has a major impact on the fighting and its outcome”.

In winter, some of the bases along the LAC have a maximum temperature of 3 degrees Celsius, while the lowest goes to -10 to -15 degrees Celsius. December and January will see -30 to -40 degrees and snow. As the official 1962 history highlighted: “Wind generally starts around mid-day and continues throughout thereafter”, and the combined effect “can cause cold injuries similar to burn injuries” … “Touching metal with bare hands is hazardous”.

If the temperatures don’t kill you, the winds will. The wind chill situation is so bad that the tank barrels freeze, ammunition doesn’t work, and equipment does not function. It is a horrible workplace as far as the Indian Army is concerned.

Source: https://www.eurasiantimes.com/india-china-stand-off-enters-5th-consecutive/.

 

[Devadwal]

India, China have arrived on agreement on patrolling at LAC which has led to disengagement

Both nations to start patrolling along the Line of Actual Control says Foreign Secretary Vikram Misri.

Agreement made at the BRICS summit in Russia.

We have gone back to the situation where we were in 2020; product of very patience diplomacy: EAM Dr S Jaishankar on India China border resolution

We should not trust China. Every time we have, they have stabbed us in the back.

 

[sweep_shot]

We should not trust China. Every time we have, they have stabbed us in the back.

China is superior to India militarily. Don't think it would matter to China whether India trust or not.

 

[Bhaijaan]

China and Bharat are the future and will not engage each other in a full scale war in the foreseeable future. Not in the interest of either country. They have way too much grow in the upcoming decades until the Americans are relegated to the 3rd position.

 

[Bhaijaan]

India, China have arrived on agreement on patrolling at LAC which has led to disengagement

Both nations to start patrolling along the Line of Actual Control says Foreign Secretary Vikram Misri.

Agreement made at the BRICS summit in Russia.

We have gone back to the situation where we were in 2020; product of very patience diplomacy: EAM Dr S Jaishankar on India China border resolution

We should not trust China. Every time we have, they have stabbed us in the back.

China isn’t even a genuine country.

The Communist Party has a dictatorship / illegal control over the lands of ancient China, Tibet, South Mongolia, Yunan, Turkestan, Alsatian chin etc all of whom are actual nations who want to operate independently.

Actually Bharat shouldn’t even have a border with China. Tibet was meant to be the bufffer state between our ancient nations.

 

[Bhaijaan]

By the dawn of the 22nd century, China will be 1/4th its original size after we had helped Tibet, Mongolia take back their lands.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Disengagement between India, China in eastern Ladakh's Depsang and Demchok complete​

The disengagement process between India and China in eastern Ladakh’s Depsang and Demchok areas has been completed, according to Army sources cited by news agency ANI. Coordinated patrolling by both sides is set to begin soon, with ground commanders continuing regular discussions to maintain stability. Indian Army sources also reported that both sides will exchange sweets tomorrow on the occasion of Diwali.

Local military commanders from India and China met today (October 30) at the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in Depsang and Demchok, to finalise disengagement efforts that were underway. The meeting was expected to confirm the removal of temporary structures and vehicles in the region, clearing the path for the resumption of regular patrolling duties.

Disengagement between India, China in eastern Ladakh's Depsang and Demchok complete

The disengagement process between India and China in eastern Ladakh’s Depsang and Demchok areas has been completed, according to Army sources cited by news agency ANI.

www.indiatoday.in

 

[deltexas]

Disengagement between India, China in eastern Ladakh's Depsang and Demchok complete​

The disengagement process between India and China in eastern Ladakh’s Depsang and Demchok areas has been completed, according to Army sources cited by news agency ANI. Coordinated patrolling by both sides is set to begin soon, with ground commanders continuing regular discussions to maintain stability. Indian Army sources also reported that both sides will exchange sweets tomorrow on the occasion of Diwali.

Local military commanders from India and China met today (October 30) at the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in Depsang and Demchok, to finalise disengagement efforts that were underway. The meeting was expected to confirm the removal of temporary structures and vehicles in the region, clearing the path for the resumption of regular patrolling duties.

Disengagement between India, China in eastern Ladakh's Depsang and Demchok complete

The disengagement process between India and China in eastern Ladakh’s Depsang and Demchok areas has been completed, according to Army sources cited by news agency ANI.

www.indiatoday.in

This is good. Get to the table, talk and negotiate no matter how tough. War is a colossal waste of precious human life and money and resources

 

[BouncerGuy]

India and China strive to reset ties but with caution

After years of border tensions, India and China appear to be gradually moving towards resetting ties - but larger challenges and suspicions remain.

The visit of two senior Indian officials to China late last month was seen as a sign of a thaw in bilateral relations.

In June, Indian National Security Adviser Ajit Doval and Defence Minister Rajnath Singh also made separate visits as part of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) meetings.

The SCO is a 10-member Eurasian security grouping that also includes China, Russia, Iran and Pakistan. Singh's visit was the first by a senior Indian official to China in five years.

At the heart of India-China tensions is an ill-defined, 3,440km (2,100-mile)-long disputed border. Rivers, lakes and snow-caps along the frontier mean the line often shifts, bringing soldiers face to face at many points, sometimes sparking skirmishes.

The crisis escalated in June 2020 when the two forces clashed in the Galwan valley in Ladakh in what was the first fatal confrontation between them since 1975. At least 20 Indian and four Chinese soldiers died. Stand-offs between the militaries have since taken place in several places.

But geopolitical uncertainty and ground realities appear to have nudged the two sides to find common ground on several issues.

Late last year, they reached an agreement on the main friction points in Ladakh.

In January, Delhi and Beijing agreed to restore direct flights and relax visa curbs that were imposed after the 2020 clash.

The same month, Indian pilgrims were allowed to visit a sacred mountain, the Kailash, and a holy lake in the Tibet Autonomous Region after a gap of six years.

But experts point out there are other hurdles.

For India, China is the second-largest trading partner with bilateral trade reaching more than $127bn (£93.4bn) last year. It relies heavily on Chinese imports, particularly rare earth minerals.

Peace in border areas, therefore, is essential to boost economic ties.

With its increasing focus on Taiwan, Beijing also wants peace in its Himalayan border with India - for now.

But at a strategic level, China suspects that Western nations are using India to counterbalance its rise and growing influence.

So, in addition to solving the border dispute, Beijing would want improvements in other areas as well, as it hopes to counter Delh's increasing dependence on the US and its allies for security.

This includes more Chinese exports; increasing investments in India, and the removal of visa restrictions for Chinese engineers and workers. (India had banned dozens of Chinese apps and imposed restrictions on Chinese investments in the aftermath of the 2020 clash, citing security concerns).

Fast-changing geopolitics - particularly in the US since President Trump assumed a second term in power - has also compelled Delhi to reach out to China, experts say.

"India thought it would be a very close strategic ally [of the US] but they were not getting the support they were expecting from Washington," Professor Christopher Clary of University of Albany in New York tells the BBC.

During recent border tensions with arch-rival Pakistan in May, Delhi also witnessed the growing military co-operation between Beijing and Islamabad. Pakistan used Chinese made fighter jets, air defence systems and air-to-air missiles in the four-day conflict.

In the aftermath of the conflict, Trump repeatedly asserted that he had mediated between the two sides for a ceasefire.

This embarrassed Delhi which insists that it directly spoke with Pakistani officials to stop the fighting, and vehemently denies any third-party mediation.

Weeks later, Trump also hosted Pakistani army chief Asim Munir for lunch at the White House, much to the dismay of Delhi.

At the same time, the US and India are also engaged in frantic talks to reach a trade agreement. Trump has already threatened to impose reciprocal tariffs on several countries, including India, if a deal is not reached by 1 August .

"Given President Trump's statements about the mediation between India and Pakistan and about the trade talks, there's a feeling in Delhi that this is the time to reach out to countries like China," Clary says.

Strategic experts argue that Washington views Delhi as a bulwark against an increasingly assertive China. But given the US president's unpredictability, there are now doubts in Delhi about how far the US will go to support India in any future conflict with China.

The Quadrilateral Security Dialogue – known as the Quad – involving the US, Japan, Australia and India has taken a back seat during the Trump administration's second term.

"In recent years, China has also significantly increased its influence in other multilateral organisations like the SCO and the Brics grouping of emerging economies," says Phunchok Stobdan, a former senior Indian diplomat.

So, India is taking a pragmatic approach, he says.

"At the same time, it does not want to be seen yielding too much to the Chinese demands for domestic reasons," he adds.

And it's not just the US - India is also keenly watching how its long-time ally and major weapons supplier Russia leaned towards Beijing due to the war with Ukraine.

Western sanctions in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine has increased Moscow's reliance on China for energy exports.

Moscow also depends on Beijing for critical imports and investments, all of which has made Delhi wary of the Kremlin's position in any future confrontation with China.

China is also using its industrial might to squeeze many nations that depend on its imports - and countries like India feel the restrictions might impact their economic growth.

"China has lately been utilising trade as a weapon against India, suspending crucial exports such as rare earth magnets and fertilisers. These actions could affect India's manufacturing and agricultural sectors," Mr Stobdan says.

Rare earth magnets are especially crucial for automobile, home appliance and clean energy sectors. China imposed restrictions on its imports starting from April, requiring companies to obtain permits.

An Indian automobile industry association has warned that production could be severely impacted if the restrictions are not eased soon. Following these apprehensions, the Indian government said it was holding talks with Beijing.

Though China is keen on boosting business, it hasn't shown any signs of compromise on its other territorial disputes with India.

In recent years, it has increasingly asserted its claim over the entire north-eastern Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh, which Beijing calls Southern Tibet.

Delhi asserts that Arunachal Pradesh is an integral part of the country and points out that people of the state regularly vote in elections to choose their state government and there's no room for any compromise.

"If China and India would not abandon the concept of sovereignty, then they will continue to fight forever. If they can reach a deal on Southern Tibet [or Arunachal Pradesh], then the two countries would have eternal peace," Prof Shen Dingli from the Fudan University in Shanghai tells the BBC.

For now, both Delhi and Beijing are aware that their territorial dispute cannot be solved in the near future.

They seem willing to strike a working relationship that's mutually beneficial, and would want to avoid tensions altogether, rather than relying on any global power bloc for support.

BBC

 

[Bhaijaan]

China has been humble ever since they saw what Brahmos did to Pakistan.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

After the Americans kicked Indians to the curb the Indians are seeking protection under the Chinese-Pakistan axis.

 

[Boyka]

India is learning there’s nothing they can do to change the status quo in the region. It has to bow down to China.

 

[sweep_shot]

China should be careful not to trust India too much.

India have a track record of backstabbing and being disruptive.

 

[straighttalk]

China is paper dragon .all talk no action..50 years of talk..can't even land a single soldier in Taiwan...their strategic and main focus...let alone fight against India...it's pathetic really... A tiny country so close to their border and no results...shameful honestly.

 

[sweep_shot]

China is paper dragon .all talk no action..50 years of talk..can't even land a single soldier in Taiwan...their strategic and main focus...let alone fight against India...it's pathetic really... A tiny country so close to their border and no results...shameful honestly.

China grabbed 2000 sq km of Indian territory since 2020.

If they are paper dragons, what are India? ROFL.

China can annex whole of India if they wish to. They can also annex Taiwan but it is not a priority yet I guess.

 

[straighttalk]

China grabbed 2000 sq km of Indian territory since 2020.

If they are paper dragons, what are India? ROFL.

China can annex whole of India if they wish to. They can also annex Taiwan but it is not a priority yet I guess.

You exhibit sound geopolitics knowledge in your last statement which makes rest of your argument moot.