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China was accused on Tuesday of harvesting human organs from persecuted groups in the country.

The China Tribunal, a group that's investigating the organ harvesting, said at a tense meeting of the United Nations Human Rights Council that the Chinese government was taking hearts, kidneys, lungs, and skin from groups including Uighur Muslims and members of the Falun Gong religious group.

The China Tribunal describes itself as an "independent, international people's tribunal, and was backed by the International Coalition to End Transplant Abuse in China, an Australian human rights charity made up of lawyers, academics, and medical professionals.

China has denied carrying out mass harvesting of organs in any circumstance.

Addressing UN representatives, a lawyer for the China Tribunal, Hamid Sabi, said the group had proof of the organ harvesting.

Sabi said the group had found that China was committing "crimes against humanity" by harvesting organs from religious minorities like the Uighurs and members of Falun Gong, which has been banned and widely persecuted by the Chinese government.

"Forced organ harvesting from prisoners of conscience, including the religious minorities of Falun Gong and Uighurs, has been committed for years throughout China on a significant scale," Sabi said in a video published on the China Tribunal website.

Sabi was presenting evidence from the tribunal's final report, published in June, which found that a "very substantial number" of prisoners were "killed to order" by the Chinese government.

They were "cut open while still alive for their kidneys, livers, hearts, lungs, cornea and skin to be removed and turned into commodities for sale," the report said.

The body parts were then used for medical purposes, it said, citing extremely short wait times for organ transplants in Chinese hospitals as evidence of the practice.

The report was led by Sir Geoffrey Nice, a British lawyer who was the lead prosecutor in the trial of Slobodan Milosevic, the former Yugoslavian president.

Sabi told the UN council on Tuesday that China's efforts involved "hundreds of thousands of victims," describing it as "one of the worst mass atrocities of this century."

He did not specify how many organs the China Tribunal believes had been harvested, or the number taken from Uighurs and from Falun Gong members.

"Victim for victim and death for death, cutting out the hearts and other organs from living, blameless, harmless, peaceable people constitutes one of the worst mass atrocities of this century," he said.

"Organ transplantation to save life is a scientific and social triumph, but killing the donor is criminal."

Reuters said China has insisted that it "stopped using organs from executed prisoners in 2015."

The Chinese government did not immediately respond to Business Insider's request for comment on Sabi's testimony.

Sabi concluded by saying that it is the duty of international bodies like the UN to investigate the tribunal's findings "not only in regard to the possible charge of genocide, but also in regard to crimes against humanity."

https://www.businessinsider.com/chi...uighur-muslims-china-tribunal-tells-un-2019-9
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The only major country who can get away with this, if true.
 
Taking a cue out of your own book..... its getting boring now. Move on.
 
India is one of the largest nations where illegal organs are traded. Surprised the OP didnt know this.
 
KingKhanWC said:
India is one of the largest nations where illegal organs are traded. Surprised the OP didnt know this.
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Shhhh don't bring inconvenient truth for [MENTION=132715]Varun[/MENTION]
 
Very concerning indeed.

May God help the Uighur brothers and sisters from the tyranny.
 
You will see concern from the citizens of Madeena-e-Riyasat only for Kashmiri Muslims.
 
Usual suspect Pakistani who is crying over kashmir will close their eyes and will blame India, Israel etc. All are guilty except their Godfather China.
 
Loool funny to see the Indians feigning concern for Uighurs to sling mud at Pakistanis. And then see Pakistani bootlickers of China and pro China foreign policy turn a blind eye to the persecution of Uighurs.
 
Varun said:
The only major country who can get away with this, if true.
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That is a horrible state of affairs in China. There is a slang saying in latin American Spanish roughly translated as - the most horrible events usually end being the ones that also go unnoticed. Seems very true here.

Pretty poor form from Pakistani posters to deflect from the main topic and bring up India here. Stick to the original topic and see if you can contribute anything to it for cryin' out loud!
 
[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] copy pasted thread brother
 
Adil_94 said:
Loool funny to see the Indians feigning concern for Uighurs to sling mud at Pakistanis. And then see Pakistani bootlickers of China and pro China foreign policy turn a blind eye to the persecution of Uighurs.
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This should have been the end of this thread anyway India is not issuing many medical visas for pakistanis so people who are looking forward to do organ transplantations can go to China most likely they will get a Islamic one
 
OP being Indian making it a but funny that indian talking for human rights violation.
 
JaDed said:
Only Scandinavians and Canadians can talk about it in that logic.
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I have already posted my reservation and being a doc i know that human organ selling is a serious crime and this issue has been in many countries ,India has been one of them not saying their govt being involved but when you are involved in much serious human rights violations then it does not make sense to talk about it and show your concern.
 
DRsohail said:
I have already posted my reservation and being a doc i know that human organ selling is a serious crime and this issue has been in many countries ,India has been one of them not saying their govt being involved but when you are involved in much serious human rights violations then it does not make sense to talk about it and show your concern.
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That’s exactly what I mean, in today’s world Scandinavians and Canadians are the only ones with no bad blood with anyone or no use of force against any region.
 
JaDed said:
That’s exactly what I mean, in today’s world Scandinavians and Canadians are the only ones with no bad blood with anyone or no use of force against any region.
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If we are speaking recent modern history over the past century then Canadians also have skeletons in the closet (First Nations).

What is it with Pakistanis in this thread constantly deflecting with comments about India instead of the actual topic at hand? Pretty much ever Pakistani poster's comment in this thread has the word India in it and comparing it with something India did instead of the actual issue at hand.
 
Interesting how the “humanitarians” and the champions of Muslim rights are missing in this thread.

The select few who have mustered the courage should be commended, but look at their justifications - everyone does it”.
 
Despicable, Chinese have never cared about human rights of their own citizens, never will. That is why it is hard to see that country emerge as the world's leader.
 
Uyghurs are going through the same thing that some of the Han Chinese went through during Mao Zedong’s Cultural Revolution.

Can’t expect UN to do anything considering the growing power of China...
 
troodon said:
You will see concern from the citizens of Madeena-e-Riyasat only for Kashmiri Muslims.
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No doubt, Pakistanis(like any other nationality) can be very hypocritical. However, one can argue that Kashmiris are more related(genetically and culturally) to the average Pakistani, and so it may be justified to care more about the atrocities committed against the Kashmiris.
 
JaDed said:
The other thread where Pakistan Malaysia and Turkey were gonna have a channel , in that clearly the answer was no.
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Let's not go by the threads on a forum or some YouTube comments etc.

One of the biggest and most important things for all Muslims is to stand against oppression no matter who is committing it.

An oppressor has no religion.

And we have lost some of our best people standing up against oppressors who even on paper shared the same religion as them. Also, since we are talking about it, India is a beautiful country loaded with amazing people and there's literally no hate for it. Extremism is despised whether it's in India, or it's in Pakistan or China, or wherever it is.
 
mustang said:
That is a horrible state of affairs in China. There is a slang saying in latin American Spanish roughly translated as - the most horrible events usually end being the ones that also go unnoticed. Seems very true here.

Pretty poor form from Pakistani posters to deflect from the main topic and bring up India here. Stick to the original topic and see if you can contribute anything to it for cryin' out loud!
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It would be if the OP didn't make a thread weekly on the same issues. Seems to alternate between China and Palestine to at least mix it up a bit so I suppose deserves some credit for that.

In reality, this isn't a Pakistan or India issue, it should be a concern for world powers who have organisations formed to deal precisely with humanitarian causes around the globe.
 
China is harvesting thousands of human organs from Uighur Muslims, UN human-rights body hears

The UN Human Rights Council heard on Tuesday that China is engaged in widespread harvesting of human organs from persecuted religious and ethnic minorities.
The China Tribunal made the accusation at the council's meeting in Geneva, Switzerland. It said Uighur Muslims and the Falun Gong religious group were affected.
The China Tribunal is a group backed by an Australian human rights charity that's investigating the issue.
A lawyer for the group said China was "cutting out the hearts and other organs from living, blameless, harmless, peaceable people," describing the situation as an atrocity.
China has denied large-scale harvesting of organs. It has acknowledged using executed prisoners' organs in the past but says it stopped in 2015, according to Reuters.
China was accused on Tuesday of harvesting human organs from persecuted groups in the country.

The China Tribunal, a group that's investigating the organ harvesting, said at a tense meeting of the United Nations Human Rights Council that the Chinese government was taking hearts, kidneys, lungs, and skin from groups including Uighur Muslims and members of the Falun Gong religious group.

The China Tribunal describes itself as an "independent, international people's tribunal, and was backed by the International Coalition to End Transplant Abuse in China, an Australian human rights charity made up of lawyers, academics, and medical professionals.

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-harvesting-organs-of-uighur-muslims-china-tribunal-tells-un-2019-9
 
An academic jailed for separatism in China has been awarded the European Parliament's top human rights prize.

Ilham Tohti, who is from the Uighur minority, has been a fierce critic of China's treatment of the Uighur people. He was jailed for life in 2014.

More than a million Uighurs and other ethnic minorities are reported to have been held in camps in China's restive Xinjiang region.

Mr Tohti, seen by many as a moderate voice, has denied being a separatist.

Although still in jail, Mr Tohti, 49, has been recognised for drawing attention to ethnic tensions in Xinjiang. A ceremony awarding him the Sakharov Prize in his absence will be held in Strasbourg in December.

China had accused him of separatism and stoking ethnic tensions. The economics scholar's imprisonment provoked condemnation from human rights groups, with the UN, the EU and US calling for his release.

The EU Parliament said Mr Tohti deserved the Sakharov Prize for his attempts to "foster dialogue" between Chinese people and the Uighur. "The parliament calls on the Chinese authorities to release him immediately," EU Parliament President David Sassoli said.

The Sakharov Prize for free speech is awarded by the EU Parliament annually in memory of Soviet physicist and dissident Andrei Sakharov.

Other nominees for the 2019 prize included Russian opposition politician Alexei Navalny, prominent Brazilian gay rights activist Jean Wyllys and the Restorers, a group of student app developers from Kenya.

Previous winners have included Pakistani schoolgirl and campaigner Malala Yousafzai (2013), Cuban dissident Guillermo Farinas (2010) and two Yazidi women who escaped Islamic State (2016).

Who is Ilham Tohti?
Born in the city of Artush in Xinjiang, Mr Tohti is an economics scholar known for his research on relations between the Uyghur and Chinese Han.

While teaching at Beijing university in 2014, Mr Tohti was detained after criticising Beijing's response to a suicide car attack near Tiananmen Square carried out by Uighurs.

Prosecutors at the trial alleged he was engaging in separatist activities, including promoting independence for Xinjiang on his website, Uighur Online.

At the time, Human Rights Watch said Mr Tohti had "consistently, courageously and unambiguously advocated peacefully for greater understanding and dialogue between various communities, and with the state".

Earlier this month, Tohti received the Council of Europe's Vaclav Havel Human Rights Prize. He was awarded the prize for "giving the entire Uighur people a voice".

What's the latest in Xinjiang?

Xinjiang, which borders Central Asia, has seen rising tensions between Uighurs and Han Chinese migrants in recent years. The Uighurs are a Turkic-speaking Muslim minority.

Fearful of separatist violence in the region, China has been carrying out a massive security operation. Human rights groups and the UN say China has rounded up and detained more than a million Uighurs and other ethnic minorities in vast detention camps.

China says they are attending "vocational training centres" which are giving them jobs and helping them integrate into Chinese society, in the name of preventing terrorism.

In July more than 20 countries at the UN Human Rights Council signed a joint letter criticising China's treatment of the Uighurs and other Muslims.
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Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50166713.
 
You know I have applauded China in the past for taking millions of their citizens out of poverty. I have also believed communism works best for controlling too populous chaotic places.

But if this is the price their citizens have to pay, then there is no meaning behind such “success”.
 
Sad to read comments in this thread, bar a few sensible people rest consider scoring points online more than human lives.
 
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big_gamer007 said:
Sad to read comments in this thread, bar a few sensible people rest consider scoring points online more than human lives.
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True. Indian posters are only showing "concern" because they want to take shots at Pakistan. While most Pakistani posters are pretty much ignoring this because China is an "ally".

It seems like nationalism matters more than human lives for most on both sides.
 
Pakistan cannot say anything against China, but what about the rest of the 'muslim ummah' or whatever it is they call themselves? Where are the Turkeys, Malaysias, UAEs, Qatars and the Kuwaits of the world, and why aren't they condemning China? What happened to all the protestors in the UK and Europe who march around with Palestinian flags and 'Death to Israel' banners? Why aren't they protesting outside Chinese embassies?

This is a nauseating display of hypocrisy by the muslim world. It also shows who the real thug on the street is for the muslim world! He appears and everyone shuts up.
 
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Vote for nationalist conservatives in your countries that's the only way to stop these Chinese demons cause left is bending over to Chinese and wouldn't even dare to touch them

Call your representatives (if in western nations) like I am doing, about this issue I know its hard for Pak to do but we as Muslims shouldn't stay quiet and post about this issue constantly and do everything in your power to get this issue to heat up

It works trust me if lots of people do this than it'll work
 
No “connection” here. I mean Chinese Muslims aren’t even “Handsome” to look at probably. Also the land these Uighur Muslims live in has not been ranked by the wisden equivalent of whatever that ranks holy places in terms of priority.

Nothing to see here, let’s move on
 
Local.Dada said:
No “connection” here. I mean Chinese Muslims aren’t even “Handsome” to look at probably. Also the land these Uighur Muslims live in has not been ranked by the wisden equivalent of whatever that ranks holy places in terms of priority.

Nothing to see here, let’s move on
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why are you doing "they" "they" don't you as human feel bad and care about this issue its not "just" a Muslim issue its a human issue
 
Bigboii said:
why are you doing "they" "they" don't you as human feel bad and care about this issue its not "just" a Muslim issue its a human issue
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I wasn’t trying to speak for myself there. I was just wondering why this issue isn’t raised by people form whom religion is the start and end of any decision making or emotion.
 
gani999 said:
Pakistan cannot say anything against China, but what about the rest of the 'muslim ummah' or whatever it is they call themselves? Where are the Turkeys, Malaysias, UAEs, Qatars and the Kuwaits of the world, and why aren't they condemning China? What happened to all the protestors in the UK and Europe who march around with Palestinian flags and 'Death to Israel' banners? Why aren't they protesting outside Chinese embassies?

This is a nauseating display of hypocrisy by the muslim world. It also shows who the real thug on the street is for the muslim world! He appears and everyone shuts up.
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Even the Kashmir issue isn't internationalized as such. When people protest around the world regarding Kashmir, they're mostly from the South Asian diaspora.

The Uighur issue will also probably become more mainstream down the line. Right now, it's more of a social media fad. It's comparatively much newer in comparison to Palestine and Kashmir which has been in the media for decades.

At a government level, politics will determine who discusses what. At the societal level, that shouldn't be a factor. Wrong is wrong.
 
Local.Dada said:
I wasn’t trying to speak for myself there. I was just wondering why this issue isn’t raised by people form whom religion is the start and end of any decision making or emotion.
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they are idiots
I mean why should a devout Muslim support an atheist communist country like China

didn't people fight Soviet Union and their tyranny because of this same exact reason because they were Atheist, Communists trying to stop people from practicing their religion
 
Abdullah719 said:
Even the Kashmir issue isn't internationalized as such. When people protest around the world regarding Kashmir, they're mostly from the South Asian diaspora.

The Uighur issue will also probably become more mainstream down the line. Right now, it's more of a social media fad. It's comparatively much newer in comparison to Palestine and Kashmir which has been in the media for decades.

At a government level, politics will determine who discusses what. At the societal level, that shouldn't be a factor. Wrong is wrong.
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That’s a wrong way to look at. India may not be as big of an economic player as China but it is still a significant world economy critical to world trade.

Israel gets attention because a lot of Arab money is involved in world economy and on the flip side there a lot of super influential Jewish people in the world, so you see both arguments all the time.

The world sees Kashmir as a internal matter because it’s a fact that value of India is lot more than Pakistan. I am not taking a dig here. Think rationally. But sure, there are enough voices out there that keep it afloat.

China on the other hand is a bonafide superpower and it’s not a democracy like the USA where people voice social issues freely or protest in the street.

Do you think if Pakistan or Pakistanis were like Israel and there were as many influencers (I don’t mean SM influencers. You get my point) of Pakistan origin, Kashmir issue would have been viewed the same way?

India has messed up a lot since independence but we have done a lot of things right as well. So instead of still being stuck in 1947, Pak can learn a lot from India’s right moves and get themselves to the same level or even cross India in all other areas before they can talk about adding additional territory.
 
Local.Dada said:
That’s a wrong way to look at. India may not be as big of an economic player as China but it is still a significant world economy critical to world trade.

Israel gets attention because a lot of Arab money is involved in world economy and on the flip side there a lot of super influential Jewish people in the world, so you see both arguments all the time.

The world sees Kashmir as a internal matter because it’s a fact that value of India is lot more than Pakistan. I am not taking a dig here. Think rationally. But sure, there are enough voices out there that keep it afloat.

China on the other hand is a bonafide superpower and it’s not a democracy like the USA where people voice social issues freely or protest in the street.

Do you think if Pakistan or Pakistanis were like Israel and there were as many influencers (I don’t mean SM influencers. You get my point) of Pakistan origin, Kashmir issue would have been viewed the same way?

India has messed up a lot since independence but we have done a lot of things right as well. So instead of still being stuck in 1947, Pak can learn a lot from India’s right moves and get themselves to the same level or even cross India in all other areas before they can talk about adding additional territory.
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You have some legitimate points about the politics of the situation though I don't agree with some of your assertions.

But regardless, this is not what my main point was. I was addressing [MENTION=134230]gani999[/MENTION]'s comment about the perceived hypocrisy of everyday Muslims (not governments) when it comes to how they see these issues.
 
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Romali Rotti posting a Zakir Nayak video. I guess now I’ve seen it all....
 
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