China, Pakistan, Russia to Meet on Afghanistan in Moscow

[Lonewarrior]

Russia along with Pakistan and China will hold secretary-level trilateral talks in Moscow on December 27 about restoration of peace in Afghanistan, the media reported.

Zakharova said Russia, China and Pakistan had "noted the deterioration of the security situation (in Afghanistan)".

The three countries agreed a "flexible approach to remove certain figures from sanctions lists as part of efforts to foster a peaceful dialogue between Kabul and the Taliban movement," she added.

http://www.news18.com/news/world/russia-to-hold-trilateral-talks-on-afghanistan-1327458.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-afghanistan-taliban-russia-pakistan-c-idUSKBN14G19I

 

[PakLFC]

Just another meeting to share savouries, nothing else. Afghanis continue to suffer.

 

[Saeed]

Lol at Russia being concerned about deteriorating security situation. Maybe they shouldn't have destroyed the country in first place. This isn't even about establishing peace in Afghanistan, Pakistan wants to counter Indian influnce and Russia wants to counter American influence.

 

[Pakistanian]

Maybe we should offer Afghanistan to join Pakistan.

 

[Azzurri]

Maybe we should offer Afghanistan to join Pakistan.

So that we get ourselves in a never ending mess forever . No thanks we are better off without them

 

[Pakistanian]

So that we get ourselves in a never ending mess forever . No thanks we are better off without them

But it might help Afghanistan?

 

[Black Zero]

Afghanistan has never been stable country. Better dismantle this banana republic and divide the country among neighbors.

And eventually, in few decades, create 4/5 independent countries purely based on language and culture.

 

[Azzurri]

But it might help Afghanistan?

Bohat achay. As if we are some kind of super power . Oh bhai don't you see we can't even handle our own mess how can you expect us to help afghanis?

 

[Pakistanian]

Bohat achay. As if we are some kind of super power . Oh bhai don't you see we can't even handle our own mess how can you expect us to help afghanis?

Shouldn't we?

 

[Pakistanian]

Afghanistan has never been stable country. Better dismantle this banana republic and divide the country among neighbors.

And eventually, in few decades, create 4/5 independent countries purely based on language and culture.

Or we could create a Loya Pakistan. It would help Afghanistan.

 

[Azzurri]

Shouldn't we?

More suitable question is, can we?

 

[Pakistanian]

More suitable question is, can we?

If we double our land and have access to trillions of $$$ worth of minerals, then we can more than just help Afghanistan and ourselves.

 

[Black Zero]

Or we could create a Loya Pakistan. It would help Afghanistan.

I do not understand the term loyal.

Anyway, Afghanistan is a made up country , consist of pashton, hazards, Uzbek, etc. And those people are not well connected to each other.

 

[Pakistanian]

I do not understand the term loyal.

Anyway, Afghanistan is a made up country , consist of pashton, hazards, Uzbek, etc. And those people are not well connected to each other.

lol that's a spin on the Afghans dream of creating a "Loya Afghanistan" (Greater Afghanistan).

 

[Azzurri]

If we double our land and have access to trillions of $$$ worth of minerals, then we can more than just help Afghanistan and ourselves.

O lala we already have loads of mineral resources in Baluchistan. We dont even know how to dig them out, let alone getting any benefits from them lol

 

[Black Zero]

Afghanistan objected at his exclusion, so Pakistan, China and Russia including Afghanistan in talks about Afghanistan .. lol.

Ashraf Ghani is shown his worth.

 

[Madplayer]

More suitable question is, can we?

The eventual goal should be that. I said it in another thread as well. Afghanistan would be better served by merging with Pakistan under an autonomous government. The merged countries should be renamed for obvious political reasons. Aghanistan is too volatile a country. And also we are one ummah so what is this nationalism pationalism. The very idea of nationalism is was planted to divide people. We need to work towards greater unity and raise above these petty nationalistic issues.

 

[street cricketer]

The eventual goal should be that. I said it in another thread as well. Afghanistan would be better served by merging with Pakistan under an autonomous government. The merged countries should be renamed for obvious political reasons. Aghanistan is too volatile a country. And also we are one ummah so what is this nationalism pationalism. The very idea of nationalism is was planted to divide people. We need to work towards greater unity and raise above these petty nationalistic issues.

If religion was the be all end all of everything, then the middle east would've been the most peaceful place on Earth because many countries in the region share the same religion. Also Bangladesh wouldn't have parted from Pakistan (or atleast as early it did). There is something called tribalism and the human mind is much more complex than just affiliating with everyone of the same religion.

 

[Madplayer]

If religion was the be all end all of everything, then the middle east would've been the most peaceful place on Earth because many countries in the region share the same religion. Also Bangladesh wouldn't have parted from Pakistan (or atleast as early it did). There is something called tribalism and the human mind is much more complex than just affiliating with everyone of the same religion.

True.

I was merely referring to how things should be. For a muslim , religion, and not nationality, should be the be all end all as far as unity is concerned. Middle east and particularly The arabs are in a mess because they supported British against ottomans due to the rise of arab nationalism. I am sure Arabs had their reasons but Britishers double crossed them by planting Israel there and hence starting a never ending conflict.

 

[street cricketer]

True.

I was merely referring to how things should be. For a muslim , religion, and not nationality, should be the be all end all as far as unity is concerned. Middle east and particularly The arabs are in a mess because they supported British against ottomans due to the rise of arab nationalism. I am sure Arabs had their reasons but Britishers double crossed them by planting Israel there and hence starting a never ending conflict.

That might be a valid reason but Israel is not the be all and end all of the trouble in that region. Saudi Arabia, Iran and Iraq don't get particular well together and I don't think Israel has anything to do with it.

The two nation theory might have been idealistic theoretically but it is not pragmatic or realistic enough.

 

[Madplayer]

That might be a valid reason but Israel is not the be all and end all of the trouble in that region. Saudi Arabia, Iran and Iraq don't get particular well together and I don't think Israel has anything to do with it.

The two nation theory might have been idealistic theoretically but it is not pragmatic or realistic enough.

Saudi arabia , iran and iraq have shia vs sunni problems which would always have been there even if Israel did not exist but to believe that Israel has no role in enhancing the infighting among arabs and iran would be to oversimplify things.

Just as an example, in the 6 day war which Israel won, it got crucial intel from people it had planted in syrian army and administration. This proves they were and probably still are capable of causing or at least enhancing the extent of chaos and conflict in the middle east just to keep the arabs busy fighting each other.

Point is Muslims should recognise only and only religion as a unifying force. This would serve us better economically, politically and we would even be able to rid ourselves of extremist elements which have become quite unpredictable these days.

 

[troodon]

Russia realizing that India is more closer to US than to them. Hence getting buddies with Pak. They need someone to buy their weapons.

 

[Madplayer]

Russia realizing that India is more closer to US than to them. Hence getting buddies with Pak. They need someone to buy their weapons.

They created the supply, now they are always trying to create demand.

 

[Saeed]

Why are people discussing about disintegration of Afghanistan in a thread about so called peace talks to be held in Moscow?

 

[Black Zero]

Why are people discussing about disintegration of Afghanistan in a thread about so called peace talks to be held in Moscow?

Actually this is tried round of "discussions"... first two rounds were held in secret ... and central party (aka as Afghanistan) was neither informed nor invited.


This discussion is not about Peace in Afghanistan, It's about countering America's role in the region.

 

[JaDed]

Saudi arabia , iran and iraq have shia vs sunni problems which would always have been there even if Israel did not exist but to believe that Israel has no role in enhancing the infighting among arabs and iran would be to oversimplify things.

Just as an example, in the 6 day war which Israel won, it got crucial intel from people it had planted in syrian army and administration. This proves they were and probably still are capable of causing or at least enhancing the extent of chaos and conflict in the middle east just to keep the arabs busy fighting each other.

Point is Muslims should recognise only and only religion as a unifying force. This would serve us better economically, politically and we would even be able to rid ourselves of extremist elements which have become quite unpredictable these days.

Lot of flaws here,if that was the case even when Israel with Jews at helm didn't exist for atleast 1000 years When Muslim rulers were ruling lands from Turkey to Bangladesh the concept of one Muslim Nation or brotherhood didn't exist,hell in India itself there were issues between Kashmiris and Mughals and infighting.

Also in your logic if they recognize now that religion should be the "only" unifying force imagine something similar happening in Christian countries(most western) where Muslims are settled including the ones running this forum or posting ,should they return back ?

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

I do not understand the term loyal.

Anyway, Afghanistan is a made up country , consist of pashton, hazards, Uzbek, etc. And those people are not well connected to each other.

Actually culturally those Afghan ethnic groups are much closer to each other then ethnic groups in Pakistan. Besides there are no movements or thoughts of seperating.

In Pakistan Baloch's want's to be independent. The Sinds are different people and Pashtun's are total different as well and much closer to ethnic groups of Afghanistan in terms of culture then Pakistan.

 

[Yossarian]

Point is Muslims should recognise only and only religion as a unifying force. This would serve us better economically, politically and we would even be able to rid ourselves of extremist elements which have become quite unpredictable these days.

Not just Shia's versus Sunni's, but even within those branches, each and every one of all the sects, sub-sects, Schools, Movements etc. exists on the basis that they are the only one that follow true Islam, and by definition, all others must be wrong.

In that scenario, there can be no unifying force - because who decides as to which one of the myriad versions should take the lead, whose interpretations should set the rules by which the rest should follow?

They are not political movements or political parties whose views and policies will change and adapt, and whose followers and leaders are prepared to make compromises and form coalitions. These are religious factions whose views are fixed, contradictory and incompatible with each others, and whose leaders cannot be seen to compromise as it then questions their own fundamental beliefs.

Instead of religion being a unifying force, when there are so many religious factions, the religion in fact is a disseverance force.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Actually culturally those Afghan ethnic groups are much closer to each other then ethnic groups in Pakistan. Besides there are no movements or thoughts of seperating.

In Pakistan Baloch's want's to be independent. The Sinds are different people and Pashtun's are total different as well and much closer to ethnic groups of Afghanistan in terms of culture then Pakistan.

who told you this ? waiting for your reply here.....

 

[gani999]

Russia realizing that India is more closer to US than to them. Hence getting buddies with Pak. They need someone to buy their weapons.

India is still the no 1 buyer of Russian weapons in the World.

Pakistan can never buy as much from the Russians. They are already committed to buying from the Chinese.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Russia, China and Pakistan for flexible ties with Taliban, India ignored

NEW DELHI: As Russia, China and Pakistan work towards building a new axis in Afghanistan to accommodate Taliban as a tool against the Islamic Sate terror group, it could have unforeseen consequences for the Russia-India relationship.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/russia-china-and-pakistan-for-flexible-ties-with-taliban-india-ignored/articleshow/56228906.cms?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=TOI

 

[Slog]

Actually culturally those Afghan ethnic groups are much closer to each other then ethnic groups in Pakistan. Besides there are no movements or thoughts of seperating.

In Pakistan Baloch's want's to be independent. The Sinds are different people and Pashtun's are total different as well and much closer to ethnic groups of Afghanistan in terms of culture then Pakistan.

Lol at Baloch want to be independent

One tribe out of dozen or so want to be and even their leaders so not the aam person

The Pashtuns of Pakistan despise Afghanis and rightly look down on them

 

[Slog]

If religion was the be all end all of everything, then the middle east would've been the most peaceful place on Earth because many countries in the region share the same religion. Also Bangladesh wouldn't have parted from Pakistan (or atleast as early it did). There is something called tribalism and the human mind is much more complex than just affiliating with everyone of the same religion.

If religion wasn't a factor then Bangladesh would have merged with Bengal rather than become an independent country

The Sunni Arab nations generally get along well tbh though I think it's more to do with being Arab than Muslim

 

[Lonewarrior]

New Isolation theory from Modi Bhakts ....

from ToI Comment section :

Ish Prasanna Paltani: Dear Friend these 3 countries are more and more getting isolated and aligned like Germany; Italy and Japan at time of worldwar 2.

Modi just made his nation fool on Isolation .... there should be a chapter in every book about Isolation in Indian Syllabus ..... )

 

[troodon]

Russia, China and Pakistan for flexible ties with Taliban, India ignored




http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/russia-china-and-pakistan-for-flexible-ties-with-taliban-india-ignored/articleshow/56228906.cms?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=TOI

Terrible.

By doing this, these 3 countries are legitimizing the existence of Afghan Taliban.

Pak again playing the Good Taliban vs Bad Taliban game.

Peace can only return in Afghanistan if a democratically elected Govt stays in power for over a period of time.
If ever Afghan Taliban overthrows the civilian Govt, it will be a huge set back for Afghanistan.

Of course, India will be ignored. Why will India have any talks with Afghan Taliban who are nothing more than Terrorists and crazy religious zealots!!

 

[Black Zero]

Terrible.

By doing this, these 3 countries are legitimizing the existence of Afghan Taliban.

Pak again playing the Good Taliban vs Bad Taliban game.

Peace can only return in Afghanistan if a democratically elected Govt stays in power for over a period of time.
If ever Afghan Taliban overthrows the civilian Govt, it will be a huge set back for Afghanistan.

Of course, India will be ignored. Why will India have any talks with Afghan Taliban who are nothing more than Terrorists and crazy religious zealots!!

Afghanistan govt had been negotiating with talibans for last few years.

India is helping blouchi extremists for last few years...

All countries are being naughty... which is both terrible and interesting.

 

[maverick85]

Altaf is going crazy.
https://youtu.be/ML2myqcbCKQ

 

[Pakistanian]

Altaf is going crazy.
https://youtu.be/ML2myqcbCKQ

I died laughing

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

Lol at Baloch want to be independent

One tribe out of dozen or so want to be and even their leaders so not the aam person

The Pashtuns of Pakistan despise Afghanis and rightly look down on them

Hahah Actually the Baloch's despise Pakistan and want independence. They are forced and anyone who raises their voice is killed and buried and missed forever.

I am Pashtun myself and I don't despise Afghans. I fact we are all ethnic Afghans.

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

Lol at Baloch want to be independent

One tribe out of dozen or so want to be and even their leaders so not the aam person

The Pashtuns of Pakistan despise Afghanis and rightly look down on them

In fact PAshtuns look more down upen Punjabis. Go to villages especially and listen what they think of you.

 

[Saeed]

In fact PAshtuns look more down upen Punjabis. Go to villages especially and listen what they think of you.

lol village people tend to be delusional and ignorant. Are you proud of this?

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

lol village people tend to be delusional and ignorant. Are you proud of this?

No it was a emotional response to the guy saying Pashtun's despise Afghans and RIGHTLY look down open them. So looking down open anyone is a good thing? LOL.

There might be a number of people who thinks like that, but there is much larger number that say not so good things about Punjabis and look down open.

 

[pakistan cricket fan]

Hahah Actually the Baloch's despise Pakistan and want independence. They are forced and anyone who raises their voice is killed and buried and missed forever.

I am Pashtun myself and I don't despise Afghans. I fact we are all ethnic Afghans.

Do you life in balochistan if not than stop spreading lies.

 

[Saeed]

No it was a emotional response to the guy saying Pashtun's despise Afghans and RIGHTLY look down open them. So looking down open anyone is a good thing? LOL.

There might be a number of people who thinks like that, but there is much larger number that say not so good things about Punjabis and look down open.

No it's not but you shouldn't respond to ignorance with ignorance. Only insecure and miserable people look down upon others. It's all about environment. An Afghan could be just as good as anyone. Some people just have more opportunities, nothing to do with ethnicity or race.

 

[Pakistanian]

Hahah Actually the Baloch's despise Pakistan and want independence. They are forced and anyone who raises their voice is killed and buried and missed forever.

I am Pashtun myself and I don't despise Afghans. I fact we are all ethnic Afghans.

I'll inform my aunt and cousins that they despise Pakistan just cause they're Baloch.

 

[street cricketer]

If religion wasn't a factor then Bangladesh would have merged with Bengal rather than become an independent country

The Sunni Arab nations generally get along well tbh though I think it's more to do with being Arab than Muslim

Sure, I never disagreed with that religion has a role. But I disagreed with the fact that it's impossible for all the people of the same religion identifying with each other and agreeing to form a huge monolithic country as tribalism plays a role too. An Afghan might not necessarily identify with a Pakistani always even if they belong to the same religion, ditto with a Pakistani and a Bangladeshi.