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Are you for real? Our covid situation with grace of God is not that bad. Plus, our government are more prepared as capacity was increased from 1st wave.
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Yes because if india had no testing then people wouldn’t have been dying on the streets and unable to find beds
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Pakistan has the highest percentage of active cases that are critical in the entire world. That just shows you the massive under reporting that is going on
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Pakistan reports 5,292 new coronavirus cases, 201 deaths
Pakistan reported 5,292 new coronavirus cases in 24 hours, taking the country's Covid-19 tally to 810,231.
The country's death toll climbed to 17,530 after 210 more people succumbed to the deadly disease.
Meanwhile, the total number of patients recovered from the deathly disease amounted to 704,494.
According to NCOC, the total active Covid-19 cases across the country were reported to be 88,207.
Pakistan reported 5,292 new coronavirus cases in 24 hours, taking the country's Covid-19 tally to 810,231.
The country's death toll climbed to 17,530 after 210 more people succumbed to the deadly disease.
Meanwhile, the total number of patients recovered from the deathly disease amounted to 704,494.
According to NCOC, the total active Covid-19 cases across the country were reported to be 88,207.
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Special Assistant to Prime Minister on Health Dr Faisal Sultan on Tuesday said the government was increasing the country's oxygen production capacity in order to support the country's healthcare amid increasing Covid-19 cases.
While addressing a press conference, the SAPM said Pakistan Steel Mills' (PSM) oxygen plant would be re-activated to meet the country's oxygen demand.
"Using non-essential industries and importing oxygen can also be used to increase the supply," the SAPM said, adding that guidelines would be issued later detailing the effective usage of oxygen supply.
He added that logistics of supplying oxygen were also being worked upon so that there are no hindrances.
Clarifying some recent rumours, Dr Sultan said the government was not only dependant upon vaccine doses that were received as either grants or gifts.
"That is not true. The government has purchased about three million vaccine doses whereas deals have been signed to purchases 30 million doses," the SAPM said.
He added that the process of procuring vaccines was slow due to their overall shortage around the world. "It does not matter how much money one has. If a thing does not exist, you cannot buy it," he said.
Due to the shortage, vaccine roll out under the COVAX programme had also been delayed, he said further. "Hopefully, the COVAX programme would resume as soon as the problem of the vaccine shortage is resolved," he said.
Sultan further said that the vaccination program in the country was going smoothly. "There are 1,200 vaccination centres across the country having the capacity to vaccinate around 5,000 people per day."
He further urged the nation to follow the Covid-19 protocols as they were set up by the National Command and Operations Centre (NCOC) after a lot of deliberation.
"Getting vaccinated is very important but more important is to follow the Covid-19 SOPs. Wear face masks, maintenance a distance of about six feet, do not go outside of the house unnecessarily and do not roam around in groups," the SAPM said.
He added that the nation would have to spend the remaining days of Ramazan and celebrate Eid with utmost simplicity
https://tribune.com.pk/story/229698...duction-capacity-to-meet-demand-faisal-sultan
While addressing a press conference, the SAPM said Pakistan Steel Mills' (PSM) oxygen plant would be re-activated to meet the country's oxygen demand.
"Using non-essential industries and importing oxygen can also be used to increase the supply," the SAPM said, adding that guidelines would be issued later detailing the effective usage of oxygen supply.
He added that logistics of supplying oxygen were also being worked upon so that there are no hindrances.
Clarifying some recent rumours, Dr Sultan said the government was not only dependant upon vaccine doses that were received as either grants or gifts.
"That is not true. The government has purchased about three million vaccine doses whereas deals have been signed to purchases 30 million doses," the SAPM said.
He added that the process of procuring vaccines was slow due to their overall shortage around the world. "It does not matter how much money one has. If a thing does not exist, you cannot buy it," he said.
Due to the shortage, vaccine roll out under the COVAX programme had also been delayed, he said further. "Hopefully, the COVAX programme would resume as soon as the problem of the vaccine shortage is resolved," he said.
Sultan further said that the vaccination program in the country was going smoothly. "There are 1,200 vaccination centres across the country having the capacity to vaccinate around 5,000 people per day."
He further urged the nation to follow the Covid-19 protocols as they were set up by the National Command and Operations Centre (NCOC) after a lot of deliberation.
"Getting vaccinated is very important but more important is to follow the Covid-19 SOPs. Wear face masks, maintenance a distance of about six feet, do not go outside of the house unnecessarily and do not roam around in groups," the SAPM said.
He added that the nation would have to spend the remaining days of Ramazan and celebrate Eid with utmost simplicity
https://tribune.com.pk/story/229698...duction-capacity-to-meet-demand-faisal-sultan
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Where did you get that the variant in India is more deadly? I haven't seen any studies showing that to be the case.
The rise is cases is the problem. That will cause more deaths a a result and not just from covid. We are barely coping at 5000 a day. What happens when it's 15-20? Let's not forget we are a month behind India, so it can get ugly real fast.
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Precisely. The testing is a total joke. Even Islamabad is only doing 4k now which is half of what it was doing a couple of weeks ago. Instead of ramping it up, they are slowing it down. And the idiots are celebrating on twitter that the cases are going down (no **** sherlock!), meanwhile the weekly positivity is on the rise.
If you test positivity is over 10 (I'll say 5 even but let's stick with 10) the numbers are meaningless. You have no control over the situation and cannot possibly say or predict what the situation is.
There is no excuse, absolutely none that we are not doing atleast 100k tests daily.
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I can go on and on and on about this but I can explain, in a few words, why the government Pakistan has proved to be the most incompetent, recognized government in the world when it comes to handling COVID.
Pakistan has the highest percentage of critical cases, i.e. relative to positive cases in the world.
Pakistan has the slowest rate of testing in the world.
Pakistan has the slowest vaccine administration program in the world.
If Imran Khan had any ounce of credibility, he would resign.
A complete lack of leadership, management and vision. It is a systematic failure and blaming the public is not the answer.
The only saving grace is the fact that Pakistani doctors are among the best in the world and punch above their weight in spite of limited resources and other external constraints that doctors in the first world are not subjected to.
Pakistan has the highest percentage of critical cases, i.e. relative to positive cases in the world.
Pakistan has the slowest rate of testing in the world.
Pakistan has the slowest vaccine administration program in the world.
If Imran Khan had any ounce of credibility, he would resign.
A complete lack of leadership, management and vision. It is a systematic failure and blaming the public is not the answer.
The only saving grace is the fact that Pakistani doctors are among the best in the world and punch above their weight in spite of limited resources and other external constraints that doctors in the first world are not subjected to.
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So, basically everyone else is stupid, only you are intelligent. Khulasa of 99% of your posts
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What about your PM Modi? Please tell us how he is doing better then Imran Khan? Please tell us why there is a crisis in India? Thanks
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What makes Pakistani doctors some of the best in the world? What is it in their training/education or the way they practice medicine that is not available to most of the world doctors? It's not the education (that is obvious), so there must be something in the way our doctors practice, what is it?
Finally why is it limited to doctors only and not seem in any other field? For example I certainly won't say Pakistani scientists or engineers are some of the best in the world.
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I agree with the rest. They haven't even learnt anything form India (how in a matter of weeks you can go from doing okay to the verge of collapse). We will be the same in a months time if this keeps up, especially with Eid being so near.
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thanks, i knew when they started the roll out they were really lagging behind, but i thought they have have improved - looks like they haven't a long with improving the covid testing
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Federal Minister for Planning, Development and Special Initiatives Asad Umar said on Wednesday that a total of 2.1 million Covid-19 vaccine doses had been administered in Pakistan — over 100,000 of which were administered on Tuesday (yesterday) alone.
The federal minister posted on Twitter that "daily vaccinations crossed 100,000 in a day for the first time yesterday.
"Total vaccinations yesterday were 117,852. Total vaccinations so far [are] now 2.1m."
"Good to see more people registering," he said, and further encouraged people above 40 years of age to register themselves for vaccination if they hadn't done so already.
The National Command and Operation Centre (NCOC) had decided on Monday to open registration of around 12m people in the age group of 40 to 50 years and allow walk-in vaccination facility for citizens over 50 years of age. Umar had said that people who were 40 years and above could get themselves registered for vaccination from Tuesday.
Special Assistant to the Prime Minister on Health Dr Faisal Sultan also said that more than 117,000 vaccine doses had been administered in one day on April 27.
He also provided a snapshot of received and expected arrivals of Covid-19 vaccines in Pakistan and said that 78 per cent of the total number of vaccines up till June had been purchased by the government.
Umar had previously said in April that 1.3m Pakistanis had been vaccinated at government facilities.
"I want to tell you that more than 0.8m vaccine doses have been administered in Pakistan and we want to take this campaign further and speed it up," Dr Sultan had given an update on the vaccination drive on March 31.
Pakistan kicked off its vaccination drive in early February with Professor Rana Imran Sikander becoming the first doctor to be vaccinated against the disease at the Prime Minister Office in the presence of Prime Minister Imran Khan.
The prime minister had said at the occasion, "I congratulate my team which has worked prom*ptly and vaccine was imp*orted. We are also thankful to China which has provided vaccine."
'Good development'
Sindh government spokesperson Murtaza Wahab while addressing a press conference in Karachi also termed Tuesday's daily vaccinations achieved as a 'good development' and a 'good thing'.
He said he was "very happy" to see the federal minister's tweet and addressing the federal government, said that the figure had been achieved due to "removing restrictions" on the age groups which could be vaccinated.
"We said again and again as a government and as citizens that age restrictions should be finished and you should provide vaccine to whoever wants to vaccinate themselves."
He questioned why were other citizens who wanted to be vaccinated were being "deprived" despite vaccine availability.
"I will want to appreciate a good development that 117,000 Pakistanis were vaccinated and will want to request the federal government to remove the age restriction," he said, calling for people above 18 years of age to be granted the permission to achieve vaccinations.
"The numbers we achieved today, we can take them to 150,000, 200,000 and 250,000. The more the people come to us, the more we will be able to vaccinate them."
Wahab also called upon the government to sort out supply issues for the Covid-19 vaccine and ensure its availability in the markets and government hospitals. He appreciated that a special flight of PIA had been sent to China to bring back vaccines and said there was further need for the federal government to send more similar flights.
He also stressed upon the importance of following standard operating procedures (SOP) to prevent further spread of the disease and said that "collective thinking" and "synergy" were needed to ensure that the maximum number of the population could be vaccinated.
'Winning the war against Covid-19 is the only option'
Punjab Chief Minister Usman Buzdar while addressing a press conference in Lahore said that so far 1m people had been vaccinated in Punjab, adding that the government had increased the number of vaccination centres in the province.
He said that the Punjab government has allocated Rs1.5 billion for the purchase of Covid-19 vaccines and "these are difficult circumstances but we are committed to tackling this national challenge."
The chief minister urged people to follow SOPs for their own as well as their family's protection. "Support the government in these unusual circumstances so your lives can be protected."
"Winning the war against Covid-19 is the only option. Every segment of society will have to fully play their role in dealing with the coronavirus."
CM Buzdar said that his government had also decided to impose more stringent restrictions in cities where the positivity rate was higher than 8pc. He added that the government would also ensure the continuous provision of oxygen supply and legal action will be initiated against hoarders and profiteers of oxygen cylinders.
The federal minister posted on Twitter that "daily vaccinations crossed 100,000 in a day for the first time yesterday.
"Total vaccinations yesterday were 117,852. Total vaccinations so far [are] now 2.1m."
"Good to see more people registering," he said, and further encouraged people above 40 years of age to register themselves for vaccination if they hadn't done so already.
The National Command and Operation Centre (NCOC) had decided on Monday to open registration of around 12m people in the age group of 40 to 50 years and allow walk-in vaccination facility for citizens over 50 years of age. Umar had said that people who were 40 years and above could get themselves registered for vaccination from Tuesday.
Special Assistant to the Prime Minister on Health Dr Faisal Sultan also said that more than 117,000 vaccine doses had been administered in one day on April 27.
He also provided a snapshot of received and expected arrivals of Covid-19 vaccines in Pakistan and said that 78 per cent of the total number of vaccines up till June had been purchased by the government.
Umar had previously said in April that 1.3m Pakistanis had been vaccinated at government facilities.
"I want to tell you that more than 0.8m vaccine doses have been administered in Pakistan and we want to take this campaign further and speed it up," Dr Sultan had given an update on the vaccination drive on March 31.
Pakistan kicked off its vaccination drive in early February with Professor Rana Imran Sikander becoming the first doctor to be vaccinated against the disease at the Prime Minister Office in the presence of Prime Minister Imran Khan.
The prime minister had said at the occasion, "I congratulate my team which has worked prom*ptly and vaccine was imp*orted. We are also thankful to China which has provided vaccine."
'Good development'
Sindh government spokesperson Murtaza Wahab while addressing a press conference in Karachi also termed Tuesday's daily vaccinations achieved as a 'good development' and a 'good thing'.
He said he was "very happy" to see the federal minister's tweet and addressing the federal government, said that the figure had been achieved due to "removing restrictions" on the age groups which could be vaccinated.
"We said again and again as a government and as citizens that age restrictions should be finished and you should provide vaccine to whoever wants to vaccinate themselves."
He questioned why were other citizens who wanted to be vaccinated were being "deprived" despite vaccine availability.
"I will want to appreciate a good development that 117,000 Pakistanis were vaccinated and will want to request the federal government to remove the age restriction," he said, calling for people above 18 years of age to be granted the permission to achieve vaccinations.
"The numbers we achieved today, we can take them to 150,000, 200,000 and 250,000. The more the people come to us, the more we will be able to vaccinate them."
Wahab also called upon the government to sort out supply issues for the Covid-19 vaccine and ensure its availability in the markets and government hospitals. He appreciated that a special flight of PIA had been sent to China to bring back vaccines and said there was further need for the federal government to send more similar flights.
He also stressed upon the importance of following standard operating procedures (SOP) to prevent further spread of the disease and said that "collective thinking" and "synergy" were needed to ensure that the maximum number of the population could be vaccinated.
'Winning the war against Covid-19 is the only option'
Punjab Chief Minister Usman Buzdar while addressing a press conference in Lahore said that so far 1m people had been vaccinated in Punjab, adding that the government had increased the number of vaccination centres in the province.
He said that the Punjab government has allocated Rs1.5 billion for the purchase of Covid-19 vaccines and "these are difficult circumstances but we are committed to tackling this national challenge."
The chief minister urged people to follow SOPs for their own as well as their family's protection. "Support the government in these unusual circumstances so your lives can be protected."
"Winning the war against Covid-19 is the only option. Every segment of society will have to fully play their role in dealing with the coronavirus."
CM Buzdar said that his government had also decided to impose more stringent restrictions in cities where the positivity rate was higher than 8pc. He added that the government would also ensure the continuous provision of oxygen supply and legal action will be initiated against hoarders and profiteers of oxygen cylinders.
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Pakistani doctors, as well as Indians, get a lot of practical/hands on exposure very early compared to European doctors. U.S. doctors have a lot of practical exposure as well.
U.S. medical research is in a different league, but Pakistani/Indian doctors are highly component because they are usually short on resources and more importantly, they have to tend to a very large number of patients in a very short period of time.
For example, a doctor in a public hospital in Karachi has to treat 100s of patients in a day while someone in a small European country barely treats 100 patients in a month.
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- highest number of deaths (>200 per day) today
- Low testing is keeping case load low but that is not a guide. Positivity rate climbing.
- Vaccination drive is terrible. Barely 1% of the population is vaccinated. Lower Vaccine purchase than any other country in the region. And well behind the region (Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc)
- No social distancing in Ramadan and rallies.
- 90% of the hospital capacity is being utilized right now.
It’s waiting to explode. It’s already really bad and could get to India level soon.
- Low testing is keeping case load low but that is not a guide. Positivity rate climbing.
- Vaccination drive is terrible. Barely 1% of the population is vaccinated. Lower Vaccine purchase than any other country in the region. And well behind the region (Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc)
- No social distancing in Ramadan and rallies.
- 90% of the hospital capacity is being utilized right now.
It’s waiting to explode. It’s already really bad and could get to India level soon.
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Pakistan recorded 5,480 new coronavirus cases in the last 24 hours, taking the country's Covid-19 tally to 815,711.
According to the National Command and Operation Centre (NCOC), the country's death toll climbed to 17,680 after 151 people succumbed to the deadly disease during the last 24 hours. Most deaths occurred in Punjab followed by Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (K-P).
Meanwhile, 3,699 patients recovered from the deadly disease in a day taking total recoveries to 708,193.
According to NCOC, total active Covid-19 cases across the country were reported to be 89,838.
The highest number of ventilators occupied in the country was found to be in Lahore with 73 per cent occupancy, followed by Multan at 73 per cent, Mardan at 73 per cent and Gujranwala at 62 per cent.
Read more: Sindh sees over 1,000 new Covid-19 cases
The NCOC further reported that the highest number of oxygen bed occupancy in the country was in Peshawar at 70 per cent followed by Swabi at 67 per cent, Mardan at 65 per cent and Swat at 60 per cent.
About 57,013 Covid-19 tests were conducted in the last 24 hours out of which 14,716 were conducted in Sindh, 26,338 in Punjab, 8,261 in K-P, 5,651 in Islamabad, 929 in Balochistan, 241 in G-B and 877 tests were conducted in AJK.
Covid-19 related death by province
Out of the total 17,680 reported deaths, there had been about 4,629 deaths in Sindh, 8,327 in Punjab, 3,238 in K-P, 677 in Islamabad.
About 233 deaths were reported in Balochistan, 106 deaths in G-B and 470 in AJK.
The NCOC also reported that a total of 11,739,027 tests had been conducted since the outbreak of the virus. There are about 630 hospitals with Covid-19 facilities with more than 6,000 patients admitted across the country, it added.
According to the National Command and Operation Centre (NCOC), the country's death toll climbed to 17,680 after 151 people succumbed to the deadly disease during the last 24 hours. Most deaths occurred in Punjab followed by Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (K-P).
Meanwhile, 3,699 patients recovered from the deadly disease in a day taking total recoveries to 708,193.
According to NCOC, total active Covid-19 cases across the country were reported to be 89,838.
The highest number of ventilators occupied in the country was found to be in Lahore with 73 per cent occupancy, followed by Multan at 73 per cent, Mardan at 73 per cent and Gujranwala at 62 per cent.
Read more: Sindh sees over 1,000 new Covid-19 cases
The NCOC further reported that the highest number of oxygen bed occupancy in the country was in Peshawar at 70 per cent followed by Swabi at 67 per cent, Mardan at 65 per cent and Swat at 60 per cent.
About 57,013 Covid-19 tests were conducted in the last 24 hours out of which 14,716 were conducted in Sindh, 26,338 in Punjab, 8,261 in K-P, 5,651 in Islamabad, 929 in Balochistan, 241 in G-B and 877 tests were conducted in AJK.
Covid-19 related death by province
Out of the total 17,680 reported deaths, there had been about 4,629 deaths in Sindh, 8,327 in Punjab, 3,238 in K-P, 677 in Islamabad.
About 233 deaths were reported in Balochistan, 106 deaths in G-B and 470 in AJK.
The NCOC also reported that a total of 11,739,027 tests had been conducted since the outbreak of the virus. There are about 630 hospitals with Covid-19 facilities with more than 6,000 patients admitted across the country, it added.
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Do you have any real data or evidence to prove this rather ridiculous claim? Not once have I heard that someone seriously ill was referred to go to Pakistan to obtain treatment because the quality of the doctors.
In fact don’t your leaders (Sharifs and Zardari) run offshore whenever they get ‘ill’?
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There is a difference between Pakistani healthcare facilities and Pakistani doctors.
Pakistani hospitals, especially the public hospitals, do not have the resources and the funds to provide the same level of care that a state of the art hospital in the west would provide. Moreover, they are always maxed out in terms of capacity due to the large population.
I am not talking about the capability of Pakistani hospitals but the competency and the capabilities of Pakistani doctors at an individual level.
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If they ramp up to 300 000/500 000 per day they could make significant strides. This is an issue with having a large population and not many funds.
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Again what evidence do you have to support this claim? Just sounds like you are claiming something you personally wish as fact.
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Latest figures just out.
The positivity rate increased by just under 1 percent but surprise surprise the total tests decreased by around 8k just so the amount of new positive covid cases could fall within a certain range. This couldn't be anymore blatant if they tried. They have been doing this for weeks. Its an absolute disgrace.
The positivity rate increased by just under 1 percent but surprise surprise the total tests decreased by around 8k just so the amount of new positive covid cases could fall within a certain range. This couldn't be anymore blatant if they tried. They have been doing this for weeks. Its an absolute disgrace.
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Positivity rate would be similar for more or less tests, it cant be skewed by doing less tests (8 K less). I don't see any benefits of doing less tests.
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I think you may have misunderstood my comment. I am talking about pakistan trying to keep the total new positive cases in 24 hours within a certain threshold.
So if the positivity rate is 10.41% (the latest figure) then the amount of new positive cases would be more if 10k tests were done compared to 5k tests.
What pakistan is doing is decreasing the total tests being carried out when the positivity rate increases. For example a week or so ago 70k tests were carried out for a couple of days. If the same amount of tests had been carried out for the latest figures then the total positive cases would have been over 7k. But instead they reduced the total amount of tests to only 49k meaning the amount of new cases were only around 5k. They keep manipulating the total testing numbers in order to keep the total new case numbers around 5k. Its a disgrace
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Pakistan reports 5,112 new coronavirus cases, 131 deaths
Pakistan reported 5,112 new coronavirus cases in 24 hours, taking the country's Covid-19 tally to 820,823.
The country's death toll climbed to 17,811 after 131 more people succumbed to the deadly disease.
Meanwhile, 3,272 patients recovered from the deadly disease in a day taking total recoveries to 711,465.
According to NCOC, total active Covid-19 cases across the country were reported to be 91,547.
Pakistan reported 5,112 new coronavirus cases in 24 hours, taking the country's Covid-19 tally to 820,823.
The country's death toll climbed to 17,811 after 131 more people succumbed to the deadly disease.
Meanwhile, 3,272 patients recovered from the deadly disease in a day taking total recoveries to 711,465.
According to NCOC, total active Covid-19 cases across the country were reported to be 91,547.
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Testing decreases again in the latest figures. Only 48k tests carried out in the whole of pakistan. India is doing near 2 million tests per day. Delhi alone has been doing over double the tests that the entire pakistan is doing and that was even before Delhi reached such a critical point. Pakistan has went from doing 70k tests a week ago to now doing 48k tests which is utterly ridiculous.
The thing is you look at how every country significantly increased testing capabilities over the past year since April 2020 but we have not. It almost gives the impression that the pakistani authorities are burying thier heads in the sand and hoping the problem will go away if they dont do any testing. There is a MASSIVE under reporting going on.
Some people will say "you can hide cases by doing less tests but you can't hide deaths" but that isn't very accurate. If people aren't being tested for covid and they pass away it won't be recorded as a covid death.
The thing is you look at how every country significantly increased testing capabilities over the past year since April 2020 but we have not. It almost gives the impression that the pakistani authorities are burying thier heads in the sand and hoping the problem will go away if they dont do any testing. There is a MASSIVE under reporting going on.
Some people will say "you can hide cases by doing less tests but you can't hide deaths" but that isn't very accurate. If people aren't being tested for covid and they pass away it won't be recorded as a covid death.
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I know so many people in pakistan who have told me that they have covid. When I have asked if they got tested they said they didn't. These are relatives that live in rahim yar khan and 2 families in Lahore. According to them the doctor told them they had covid without doing a test just based on symptoms. This is shocking. I told one of my cousins to get tested and that doctor's dont know if someone has covid or not without testing them. I was told there is no point getting tested because its around 8000 rupees. The doctor also didn't recommend testing.
This is absolutely shocking. Looks like the government and doctors are actively discouraging people to not get tested in order to keep case numbers low. The situation is so bad in pakistan right now that I dont know a single household that doesn't have atleast one person that has been told they have covid. Quite a few have been admitted to hospital and are struggling.
This is absolutely shocking. Looks like the government and doctors are actively discouraging people to not get tested in order to keep case numbers low. The situation is so bad in pakistan right now that I dont know a single household that doesn't have atleast one person that has been told they have covid. Quite a few have been admitted to hospital and are struggling.
Bus kr de yar, i am no PTI fan, but this covid situation is fully under control as of now, how many SOS you have seen like India form hospitals or persons, it just concerning in Islamabad and lahore, and i agree testing is non existant but i think we are almost their on herd immunity, positivity hovering around 10% and sure if we do ten time testing then cases will also be 10x, but rate will be same almost, that bit was important last year when it's wasn't wide spread to test and trace and control it that way but now only figure that matter or positivity rate and deaths which considering our population are negligible as of now, you it's rinsing no doubt And can explode if not restricted during last 10 days of ramzan and eid, and government also don't wanna repeat last year situation therfore will be aggressively going for lock down during this time, you doubt me you can go hospitals or send some one directly their to confirm and even at homes nothing like India situation, even burial rate is similar to pre covid levels, there are no mass graves, kr people needing token for burial in Pak alhamdulilah, so just get your facts right and stop this nonsense and propoganda.
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Covid situation in Pakistan is definitely not under control
I meant in relative to India its fully control, what do you meant by not under control, and which point i raised in previous post you don't agree with?
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Considering the increase in Covid positive cases, Singapore on Friday announced that travellers from Pakistan would not be allowed entry into the country or transit through the country from Saturday (today), according to a statement issued by the country’s ministry.
The statement read: “We will further tighten our border measures given the sustained increase in cases reported in the regions around Bangladesh, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka.”
“From May 1, 2359 hours, until further notice, all long-term pass holders and short-term visitors with recent travel history (including transit) to Bangladesh, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka within the last 14 days will not be allowed entry into Singapore, or transit through Singapore. This will also apply to all those who had obtained prior approval for entry into Singapore,” said the ministry in the statement.
Briefing on the coronavirus situation in the country, the ministry said that it had identified a new cluster of infection within the community in the past week.
Considering the situation, the ministry would be tightening safe management measures in the wider community to reduce the risk of transmission.
The ministry had announced a 14-day Stay Home Notice (SHN) at dedicated facilities for the travellers with travel history to Bangladesh, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka within 14 days of their departure to Singapore.
“The travellers have yet to complete their 14-day SHN by May 2, 2359 hours. They will need to complete an additional 7-day SHN at dedicated facilities,” said the statement, adding the travellers would undergo Covid-19 Polymerase Chain
Reaction (PCR) tests on-arrival, on Day 14 of their SHN, and another test before the end of their 21-day SHN period.
Earlier this week, Iran was the latest country to impose a travel ban on Pakistani travellers, while the neighbouring country also closed its land border for the travellers amid Indian variant fears.
The statement read: “We will further tighten our border measures given the sustained increase in cases reported in the regions around Bangladesh, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka.”
“From May 1, 2359 hours, until further notice, all long-term pass holders and short-term visitors with recent travel history (including transit) to Bangladesh, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka within the last 14 days will not be allowed entry into Singapore, or transit through Singapore. This will also apply to all those who had obtained prior approval for entry into Singapore,” said the ministry in the statement.
Briefing on the coronavirus situation in the country, the ministry said that it had identified a new cluster of infection within the community in the past week.
Considering the situation, the ministry would be tightening safe management measures in the wider community to reduce the risk of transmission.
The ministry had announced a 14-day Stay Home Notice (SHN) at dedicated facilities for the travellers with travel history to Bangladesh, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka within 14 days of their departure to Singapore.
“The travellers have yet to complete their 14-day SHN by May 2, 2359 hours. They will need to complete an additional 7-day SHN at dedicated facilities,” said the statement, adding the travellers would undergo Covid-19 Polymerase Chain
Reaction (PCR) tests on-arrival, on Day 14 of their SHN, and another test before the end of their 21-day SHN period.
Earlier this week, Iran was the latest country to impose a travel ban on Pakistani travellers, while the neighbouring country also closed its land border for the travellers amid Indian variant fears.
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Pakistan reports 4,696 new coronavirus cases, 146 deaths
Pakistan reported 4,696 new coronavirus cases in 24 hours, taking the country's Covid-19 tally to 824,519.
The country's death toll climbed to 17,957 after 146 more people succumbed to the deadly disease.
Meanwhile, 5,544 patients recovered from the deadly disease in a day taking total recoveries to 717,009.
According to NCOC, total active Covid-19 cases across the country were reported to be 90,553.
Pakistan reported 4,696 new coronavirus cases in 24 hours, taking the country's Covid-19 tally to 824,519.
The country's death toll climbed to 17,957 after 146 more people succumbed to the deadly disease.
Meanwhile, 5,544 patients recovered from the deadly disease in a day taking total recoveries to 717,009.
According to NCOC, total active Covid-19 cases across the country were reported to be 90,553.
Pakistan to slash international flights to 20pc from May 5 to 20 to curb Covid-19 cases
Pakistan plans to reduce the number of inbound international flights to 20 per cent of current numbers to curb rising Covid-19 cases, the official body overseeing the country's pandemic response said on Saturday.
"In view of prevailing global and regional disease trends, Pakistan has decided to reduce inbound international travel from 5 May to 20th May," said the National Command Operation Centre (NCOC), which oversees the government's pandemic response, on Twitter.
It was not immediately clear which routes and air carriers would be affected.
The NCOC added the decision would be reviewed on May 18.
The forum said that there had been no change in the list of Category C countries, travellers from which are banned in Pakistan.
Last week, Pakistan introduced a stricter travel ban on 23 countries and extended travel restrictions till April 30.
Pakistan has seen record deaths in recent days from the coronavirus, and stricter restrictions on movement and gathering in public are planned for the upcoming Eid holiday. Officials are worried the country's health care system, already under strain, could reach breaking point if more contagious variants of the virus begin to spread, as has happened in neighbouring India.
On Saturday, authorities reported 4,696 new confirmed Covid-19 cases in the past 24 hours and 146 deaths from the disease.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1621417/p...-20pc-from-may-5-to-20-to-curb-covid-19-cases
Pakistan plans to reduce the number of inbound international flights to 20 per cent of current numbers to curb rising Covid-19 cases, the official body overseeing the country's pandemic response said on Saturday.
"In view of prevailing global and regional disease trends, Pakistan has decided to reduce inbound international travel from 5 May to 20th May," said the National Command Operation Centre (NCOC), which oversees the government's pandemic response, on Twitter.
It was not immediately clear which routes and air carriers would be affected.
The NCOC added the decision would be reviewed on May 18.
The forum said that there had been no change in the list of Category C countries, travellers from which are banned in Pakistan.
Last week, Pakistan introduced a stricter travel ban on 23 countries and extended travel restrictions till April 30.
Pakistan has seen record deaths in recent days from the coronavirus, and stricter restrictions on movement and gathering in public are planned for the upcoming Eid holiday. Officials are worried the country's health care system, already under strain, could reach breaking point if more contagious variants of the virus begin to spread, as has happened in neighbouring India.
On Saturday, authorities reported 4,696 new confirmed Covid-19 cases in the past 24 hours and 146 deaths from the disease.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1621417/p...-20pc-from-may-5-to-20-to-curb-covid-19-cases
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At least some kind of reaction from authorities.
It might be too little too late, tho. But then again so many of our poor people depend on day to day labour.
May Allah SWT protect us all from this virus.
Pakistan are planning on importing a humongous amount of oxygen. This might save lives in tough peaks
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i have a feeling that they only tested around the 70-78k mark for a few days was to overtake Mexico, as they surpassed us around 3 weeks ago, IK did say from the beginning the were only comparable to Mexico.
I have no idea its reduced by that much so quickly - as everyone knows the current situation
You can't assess the situation purely by point of time but rather than the trajectory on the curve. Past lessons show that once the trajectory starts to increase quickly then there is little that can be done to halt the incline in the short term. So it might seem fine now but in a few weeks or a months time be completely out of control. Inconsistency of testing means nobody really knows the full extent of the situation.
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They have already extended capacity as compared to last year, this includes oxygen and hospitals.
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Pakistan to locally produce the CanSinoBio vaccine. This is great news as its sustainable. Well done to the govt if they get this started and ramp up production.
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The curve is not indicative of much in Pakistan. We are still logging 50-70k tests max which is less than the number of test in all of Delhi; a city with tenth of population of Pakistan.
The fact that deaths are at an all time high points to the dire situation and the likelihood it’s going to get worse. Because we don’t have enough tests we can’t see the trend in the future.
Additionally if you go to Pakistan everything is open. 70-80% of the people do not even wear masks. And now eid is upon us and like last year there will be mad rush for eid shipping and increase the case count. The hospitals are largely at 90% capacity so if there is a sudden surge they will not be equipped to handle this second wave at all. Finally a lot of younger people are getting affected now and getting hospitalized which means the country definitely has a new strain which could be more deadly. But nothing has been done in this regard.
And i addressed all these points in detail and why they are like this, and what's the solution now and what repercussions can be if we don't strictly limit eid rush, and you are out of loop if you think government is doing nothing, other than last option of full Lockdown across the board or increasing testing rate they have done best in this regard what any government could have done. It's the only thing which this government has handled well somehow as of now.
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What has the government done?
Asides from 2-3 IK televised addresses where he pointed out the situation in India and asked Pakistanis to be cautious ; which made an impact on probably zero people?
Lockdown is only option till Eid
Where you are from? I mean you must be living outside Pak right now to not see all other things done to stop and contain the spread of covid.
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As you open your Rozas, pray for the poor of PK and because the next couple of months are going to get scary. May Allah keep PK safe but as the Ind experience shows things can get out of control very quickly
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In Germany right now but go regularly. Talking to cousins and family everyday
Hopefully they will not, but cure cannot be worse than disease, so even Lockdown in excess of 15 days can't be sustained by daily wagers, ideal the strick lock down which will take effect in 8 May should started from 4 may to 17 may, end of Eid, to stop large scale gatherings and spread but still it would be too hard for man on the street, and it's good government is increasing its oxygen capacity, beds and ventilators. There will definitely be spike but hopefully not one which break the while health system. As of now signs are bad but not as bad that they can't be managed. Also need to ramp up vaccination drive on war footing and create mass awareness and even kinda force the Jahil ones in awam to get the msg across by allowing some special incentive and access to those who have vaccination certification.
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Wow this is the third day in a row that testing has decreased. We went from doing 70k tests just over a week ago to 50k tests 2 days ago. Then yesterday the testing was reduced to 48k and now the latest figures show that testing has reduced again to 45k!!! Honestly, this is beyond ridiculous now.
Even the general public is starting to qs the continual reduction of testing on social media now. The replies to the NCOC tweet with the latest stats is just filled with people asking why testing continues to be reduced.
Pakistan logic: Just stop testing that way there won't be any cases to declare
They might as well just stop testing altogether and declare the country covid free at this point.
Even the general public is starting to qs the continual reduction of testing on social media now. The replies to the NCOC tweet with the latest stats is just filled with people asking why testing continues to be reduced.
Pakistan logic: Just stop testing that way there won't be any cases to declare
They might as well just stop testing altogether and declare the country covid free at this point.
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Thats a very good point about Mexico. It seems it's all just about the optics for pakistan now.
Testing has reduced AGAIN in the latest figures. Its went from 48k in yesterday's figures to 45k in today's figures. This is criminal
So what is the mechanism for testing?
I would think people have to show up voluntarily to be tested? So Is Government not testing people who come over and show symptoms or are people just not showing up?
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Well I have loads of family in pakistan that I am in touch with regularly. Many of them have been told they have covid but they were never tested. They have fallen ill with fever, cough etc and they have just been told by the doctor that they have covid without any tests being done which is ridiculous. Not only is it impossible for a doctor to say someone has covid for certain without testing them but it also means that these cases are not counted in the official figures. There must be hundreds of thousands of cases that have been missed this way.
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Pakistan is clearly managing testing
I still don't get this? Was the DR a resident in a government hospital or your around the corner private clinic? If it is the former than understandably so this is a miss. If it is a private clinic or hospital then onus is on the patient to get tested. I have a feeling a lot of people don't get tested because of the cost involved ~ 2000 Rs. My understanding was that the Government was supposed to have free testing sites.
I am out of Pakistan so I cannot comment first hand, but here are a few experiences of my family and very close friend in KHI. My mother developed symptoms, so my sister had my mother and herself tested at Aga Khan. Sure enough both tested positive. My mother required 10 days of hospitalization but sister was asymptomatic. My uncle (mamoon) developed symptoms of common cold. My cousin directly had him tested without even consulting a doctor since he is diabetic and has heart condition. He tested positive. He was isolated at home with an Oximeter. As his Oxygen levels started to drop, he was admitted to the NCOC covid hospital at Expo center. That was state of the art facility free of charge. My mother wanted to go visit but obviously could not (she was still recovering herself). But they had Skype facility. You got a meeting invite and an attendant rolled a cart with a tablet and they chatted via Skype! This is a free hospital BTW.
Another was my friend. He exhibited symptoms, had himself tested. When he found to be positive, he was told by his doctor to self isolate. Surprisingly, he got a text from Ministry of Health - Gov of Sindh! and they wanted to do contact tracing. Subsequently he was contacted by a lady dcotor from sind ministry of health 3 times over the next 14 days to document his progress. Which sounded astonishing to me - I am no fan of PPP. So I say again, Gov. pakar pkara ke tu test naheen kar sakti? Now if you tell me somebody went for a COVID test, and was turned down then it is a different case altogether.
Yar it's waste of time to even tell them why Pak testing is too low. I am trying to make sense to them that testing in our current scenario is not be all and end all, they watching us from that first world standard lens.
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I don’t get it are you suggesting that all the doctors in Pakistan are violating their Hippocratic oath and are colluding with the government to reduce number of testings? Sounds far fetched.
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I am saying that none of my family members have been encouraged by doctors to get tested. When I urged them to get tested I was told the test was 8000 rupees and too expensive for them.
Pakistan should be offering free testing to its citizens. Doctors should be strongly urging anyone with symptoms to get tested. If tests are 8000 rupees then that is too expensive for a majority of the population and so you can imagine how many cases must be getting missed
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It is indeed incredible how Pakistan is so far behind in terms of testing.
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Less tests=less covid cases=things under control=government is doing good
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The next time I speak to my family I will ask them specifically about the doctor. All I was told by them was that the doctor told them they had covid. I didnt ask if it was a private clinic or government hospital. I was told by my family over there that covid tests are 8000 rupees. They live near rahim yar khan. Maybe the tests are a little cheaper in karachi I don't know. Testing should be free in pakistan. Even if it is 2000 rupees in some places that is still too expensive for a majority of the population so you can just imagine the under reporting that is going on. I have not heard anything about free testing sites. In fact I assumed there would be free testing sites and I urged my family to go there and get tested but I was told there were not.
Testing should be free and doctors and the government should be strongly urging people to get tested if they have had close covid contacts or symptoms
Bhai if it was free every other person with non covid fever or cough or flu will also want to be tested, a poor and debt ridden country like our can't afford it sadly.
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Pakistan reports 4,414 new coronavirus cases, 113 deaths
Pakistan reported 4,414 new coronavirus cases in 24 hours, taking the country's Covid-19 tally to 829,933.
The country's death toll climbed to 18,070 after 113 more people succumbed to the deadly disease.
Meanwhile, 5,193 patients recovered from the deadly disease in a day taking total recoveries to 722,202.
According to NCOC, total active Covid-19 cases across the country were reported to be 89,661.
Pakistan reported 4,414 new coronavirus cases in 24 hours, taking the country's Covid-19 tally to 829,933.
The country's death toll climbed to 18,070 after 113 more people succumbed to the deadly disease.
Meanwhile, 5,193 patients recovered from the deadly disease in a day taking total recoveries to 722,202.
According to NCOC, total active Covid-19 cases across the country were reported to be 89,661.
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The Civil Aviation Authority on Saturday made it mandatory for international inbound passengers to have a coronavirus test before the commencement of their travel within 72 hours. “Passengers travelling to Pakistan from any country will be required to present an RT-PCR test before commencement of travel, conducted within the 72 hours prior to commencement of travel to Pakistan,” reads a new travel directive issued by the CAA.
According to the document titled ‘operational SOPs for international inbound passenger flights’, Category C countries – which are 23 – were banned except for those given exemption by the NCOC exemption committee. “In case any airline transport any passenger without RT-PCR test then the airline shall be liable to financial and administrative penalties as per civil aviation rules,” it read. On arrival, a rapid antigen test will be conducted for all passengers in international airports.
Tests of such reports would be available in 20 minutes, it read, adding that after eight days again Covid test would be conducted that will determine the quarantine period of passengers. The aviation body has also made it mandatory for all passengers travelling to Pakistan to download and install the ‘Pass Track’ app and enter their personal details as required.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2297873/covid-test-mandatory-for-intl-inbound-passengers
According to the document titled ‘operational SOPs for international inbound passenger flights’, Category C countries – which are 23 – were banned except for those given exemption by the NCOC exemption committee. “In case any airline transport any passenger without RT-PCR test then the airline shall be liable to financial and administrative penalties as per civil aviation rules,” it read. On arrival, a rapid antigen test will be conducted for all passengers in international airports.
Tests of such reports would be available in 20 minutes, it read, adding that after eight days again Covid test would be conducted that will determine the quarantine period of passengers. The aviation body has also made it mandatory for all passengers travelling to Pakistan to download and install the ‘Pass Track’ app and enter their personal details as required.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2297873/covid-test-mandatory-for-intl-inbound-passengers
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I have had a couple of close family members test positive for Covid in Pakistan none of them had any difficulty in getting tested.
I agree that Pakistan is behind in number of testings per day but I doubt that doctors are actively discouraging people from getting tested. It’s probably more to do with lack of proactive measures taken by the government. That is also likely due to lack of resources rather than lack of will.
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Ventilator occupancy has reached 100% in gujranwala and 81.5% in Lahore. The situation is alarming
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Dawn news is reporting that a new covid variant has been found in Punjab in pakistan. Situation is concerning
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Pakistan reports 4,213 new coronavirus cases, 79 deaths
Pakistan reported 4,213 new coronavirus cases in 24 hours, taking the country's Covid-19 tally to 834,146.
The country's death toll climbed to 18,149 after 79 people succumbed to the deadly disease.
Meanwhile, 5,842 patients recovered from the deadly disease in a day taking total recoveries to 728,044.
According to NCOC, the total active Covid-19 cases across the country were reported to be 87,953.
Pakistan reported 4,213 new coronavirus cases in 24 hours, taking the country's Covid-19 tally to 834,146.
The country's death toll climbed to 18,149 after 79 people succumbed to the deadly disease.
Meanwhile, 5,842 patients recovered from the deadly disease in a day taking total recoveries to 728,044.
According to NCOC, the total active Covid-19 cases across the country were reported to be 87,953.
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45,954 - really low testing day again
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I am genuinely bewildered. The latest figures show a further 8k reduction in tests. Only 37k tests were done. Testing has HALVED from around 10 days or so ago. It has went from over 70k around a week and a half ago and has gradually reduced since then to the latest figure of 37k.
I jokingly said a few days ago that I wouldn't be surprised if pakistan just stopped testing and declared the country covid free with the way testing is going. Now that is looking more and more possible
I jokingly said a few days ago that I wouldn't be surprised if pakistan just stopped testing and declared the country covid free with the way testing is going. Now that is looking more and more possible
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The latest figures that have just been released state the number of tests at 37k. It is genuinely shocking and criminal what is happening. Testing has went from over 70k to 37k in less than 2 weeks. The government must think the general public are idiots.
Can any resident doctor shed light on why testing in Pak is so low? And who is to blame for it? And why the rate fluctuate so much? [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]
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could be due to non availability of testing kits and hence if no symptoms, tests are not being done.
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Apparently some hospitals have ran out of testing kits. I read something on twitter earlier from a guy from sarghoda who had covid symptoms and went to DHQ teaching hospital and they told him they had no kits and to try again in 3 days time
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I don’t think that’s the issue in the big cities Atleast. For example in the Karachi hospitals many spare tests are there and it’s just people aren’t being tested. Afaik there aren’t cases of a large mass of people wanting to test but unable get it done
[MENTION=90888]Itachi[/MENTION] - when people say india should increase testing do they mean the capacity to test should increase or is it that India should aim to actively seek out people to go and test? What’s the solution of population itself isn’t coming to test unless they have severe symptoms.
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The covid situation in Pakistan has always taken me by surprise, and I'm not saying it in a condescending way. I'm not a hardcore Indian nationalist holding anti Pakistani views by any means. Yet when I look at the numbers, it makes for interesting reading.
I've been saying for a long time that India has been under testing its population and doing only a fraction of the tests that western countries do daily. But when you compare it to Pakistan, India has been doing nearly five times more testing per capita and has been vaccinating its population ten times more per capita. Pakistan's vaccination rate is the lowest among India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh and by some degree at that. Yet, India has been having nearly 3 times more deaths per capita due to the covid crisis, and Afghanistan has an even lesser death rate, 3 times lesser than even Pakistan.
I can only attribute the difference in numbers to the "smart lockdown" that Imran implemented way back during the first wave. But even that was only temporary, wasn't it (correct me if I'm wrong, Pak posters). Pakistan's test positivity rate is 10%, so it's not that there isn't a covid crisis in the country. Yet it's having way less case fatality rate per capita than countries like India, Iran and Turkey. I honestly cannot point out the exact reason behind it, but whatever Pakistan is doing currently, it's been working well. And hopefully it continues to so. Pakistan would do well to learn from our crisis and ramp up its health care infrastructure and vaccination rate though.
I've been saying for a long time that India has been under testing its population and doing only a fraction of the tests that western countries do daily. But when you compare it to Pakistan, India has been doing nearly five times more testing per capita and has been vaccinating its population ten times more per capita. Pakistan's vaccination rate is the lowest among India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh and by some degree at that. Yet, India has been having nearly 3 times more deaths per capita due to the covid crisis, and Afghanistan has an even lesser death rate, 3 times lesser than even Pakistan.
I can only attribute the difference in numbers to the "smart lockdown" that Imran implemented way back during the first wave. But even that was only temporary, wasn't it (correct me if I'm wrong, Pak posters). Pakistan's test positivity rate is 10%, so it's not that there isn't a covid crisis in the country. Yet it's having way less case fatality rate per capita than countries like India, Iran and Turkey. I honestly cannot point out the exact reason behind it, but whatever Pakistan is doing currently, it's been working well. And hopefully it continues to so. Pakistan would do well to learn from our crisis and ramp up its health care infrastructure and vaccination rate though.
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Pakistan reports 3,377 new coronavirus cases, 161 deaths
Pakistan reported 3,377 new coronavirus cases in 24 hours, taking the country's Covid-19 tally to 837,523.
The country's death toll climbed to 18,310 after 161 more people succumbed to the deadly disease.
Meanwhile, 5,018 patients recovered from the deadly disease in a day taking total recoveries to 733,062.
According to NCOC, the total active Covid-19 cases across the country were reported to be 86,151.
Pakistan reported 3,377 new coronavirus cases in 24 hours, taking the country's Covid-19 tally to 837,523.
The country's death toll climbed to 18,310 after 161 more people succumbed to the deadly disease.
Meanwhile, 5,018 patients recovered from the deadly disease in a day taking total recoveries to 733,062.
According to NCOC, the total active Covid-19 cases across the country were reported to be 86,151.
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