Could a Pakistan batting line-up do what an Indian one did against Scotland today?

[MenInG]

I understand that we have been the dominant team in this competition but I am wondering if based upon past history and faced with a scenario like the one India is facing, where ability to power through to a total is needed, could our batting line-up be able do what Virat Kohli and Co did tonight?

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

Obviously they can..
Don't underestimate the hitting abilities of Babar and Rizwan..
Even both get out power hitters like Asif will reach you to the target.

 

[srh]

I understand that we have been the dominant team in this competition but I am wondering if based upon past history and faced with a scenario like the one India is facing, where ability to power through to a total is needed, could our batting line-up be able do what Virat Kohli and Co did tonight?

Pakistan can if they open with Sharjeel Khan and Fakhar Zaman. Babar and Rizwan does not have that
power game.

 

[MenInG]

Obviously they can..
Don't underestimate the hitting abilities of Babar and Rizwan..
Even both get out power hitters like Asif will reach you to the target. ��

What KL and Sharma did today was unreal. No Pakistan batter can bat at that rate, especially when it matters!

We are good when the bowlers setup the game for us nicely and we can take our time.

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

What KL and Sharma did today was unreal. No Pakistan batter can bat at that rate, especially when it matters!

We are good when the bowlers setup the game for us nicely and we can take our time.

Im sure any team can chase such target against Scotland..

 

[Fahdi]

No they can't. India has problems but their batting lineup has tremendous firepower, which, when on song, is probably second only to England. Pakistan's batting on it's best day cannot match the Indian batting on it's best day. Pakistan has due to a various reasons adopted a completely different approach to batting which is focusing more on consistency from the top. Neither Babar nor Rizwan are players who have shown the ability to smack a 19 ball 50 nor do they aim for it as part of their roll.

 

[Fahdi]

Im sure any team can chase such target against Scotland..

It's doing it within 39 balls that's impressive. That requires the entire team to bat at 200+ SR. If Pakistan wanted to do this they'll be tinkering with the lineup from the get go, Fakhar will likely open with Hafeez and be told to go gun ho and we might even get there. India didn't have to do that though, the same openers to score at 200 SR and at 100 SR. Babar and Rizwan have their own strengths but like I said everyone playing at their best I don't think they compete with Rohit and Rahul.

 

[Technics 1210]

Only possible if we had 11 Shahid Afridis and this too on a good day.

Credit where it's due, Indian batsmen absolutely pwnd the Scotland target.

 

[gazza619]

To be honest I am not fussed if we cant.

Cricket is about winning, not winning handsomely.

You just got to make best at what you have. In the modern world, only England & Indian openers have the real hitting power.

Having said the Indian batting line up looks very weak after they loose their openers.

England have fire power all the way down to number 6/7.

 

[MenInG]

To be honest I am not fussed if we cant.

Cricket is about winning, not winning handsomely.

You just got to make best at what you have. In the modern world, only England & Indian openers have the real hitting power.

Having said the Indian batting line up looks very weak after they loose their openers.

England have fire power all the way down to number 6/7.

I agree and I am not saying that we are better or India is as a team etc

I guess it's down to match situations and strategies and knowing your strengths.

 

[DHONI183]

Credit where it's due, it takes quite an effort to absolutely crush the opposition in two consecutive in the T20 format. It's very less time to implement everything with such flawless perfection. Fabulous batting. However, what they'll regret is that it probably came too late for them in the tournament.

All eyes on Afghanistan now!

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Bottom line, no

 

[srh]

Bottom line, no

Pakistan's bowling has showed tremendous heart and has setup the matches for Pakistan to win. But it is very frustrating to see that there is no margin of error for Pakistan's bowling as Pakistan does not open with aggressive openers. So in case if Pakistan bowl first and Pakistan's bowling did not click and opposition score 170+ runs then Pakistan is most likely losing that match. Only if Pakistan had selected Sharjeel in playing 11 and open with Sharjeel and Fakhar then Pakistan had great chance to reach 170+ target. Alas.

 

[PakLFC]

Of course we can. Boundaries are short so sixers come easily. Our bowling attack in probably the best in the tournament too, we should be able to dismiss the Scots for a very low score.

 

[Technics 1210]

Laughable to read about a bowling attacking when the question is about chasing a target.

Could Pakistan chase 80 odd in under 8 overs? Yes or No?

 

[msb314]

What KL and Sharma did today was unreal. No Pakistan batter can bat at that rate, especially when it matters!

We are good when the bowlers setup the game for us nicely and we can take our time.

I’m pretty sure we can chase 87 against Scotland also at 13-14 RPO if required

 

[srh]

Of course we can. Boundaries are short so sixers come easily. Our bowling attack in probably the best in the tournament too, we should be able to dismiss the Scots for a very low score.

This thread is about batting not bowling.

Pakistan's scores in first 6 overs are

• 43/0 (against India)
• 30/1 (against New Zealand)
• 38/1 (against Afghanistan)
• 29/0 (against Namibia)

So they have not even score 50 runs in first 6 overs in this WC. Why you think they will be able to score 90+ runs in first 6 overs?

 

[transparent opacity]

Depends on the opposition, if it's an associate team, Pakistan can obviously do it. However, I have my doubts if the opposition has quality bowlers.

 

[Stewie]

Probably not. Indian team played really well today. I guess a better question would be, can the Indian team repeat this performance on a regular basis (regardless of the opposition)

 

[LaLoco]

This thread is about batting not bowling.

Pakistan's scores in first 6 overs are

• 43/0 (against India)
• 30/1 (against New Zealand)
• 38/1 (against Afghanistan)
• 29/0 (against Namibia)

So they have not even score 50 runs in first 6 overs in this WC. Why you think they will be able to score 90+ runs in first 6 overs?

That’s because Pak didn’t have to.

If required Pak batsmen against a bowling line up of Scotland is capable of scoring 80+ runs in 8 overs.

 

[ataullah]

Put Scotland in front of them then offcourse yes..they where bowling filth all the way through

 

[PakLFC]

This thread is about batting not bowling.

Pakistan's scores in first 6 overs are

• 43/0 (against India)
• 30/1 (against New Zealand)
• 38/1 (against Afghanistan)
• 29/0 (against Namibia)

So they have not even score 50 runs in first 6 overs in this WC. Why you think they will be able to score 90+ runs in first 6 overs?

The answer is still yes we can do it.

 

[Lego20]

There was nothing extra ordinary (ala 360 ABD or power Gayle/Powell) in the shots from Rohit and Rahul today - it was just plain old bat swing. I dont see any reason why some of the Pakistan batters cant do the same - the likes of Fakhar, Asif etc.

 

[Major]

India was in the situation and they had to pull it off.

I think Pakistani fans have really insulted india in this tournament . Yes they lost the first two matches, but they did not lose cause they were bad. Nz and Pak played very good cricket. India is still a very good team, and there is a reason why they were labelled as favourites. Guys like Kl Rahul and Rohit have the fire power to play such cricket.

Pakistan plays cricket with a different strategy. They try to set up from the top and accelerate later. While India relys on the firepower on top.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

There was nothing extra ordinary (ala 360 ABD or power Gayle/Powell) in the shots from Rohit and Rahul today - it was just plain old bat swing. I dont see any reason why some of the Pakistan batters cant do the same - the likes of Fakhar, Asif etc.

KL clearly hits the weights though not obvious to look at him. Swinging a bat doesn't result in big runs but often a thick edge

 

[Lego20]

KL clearly hits the weights though not obvious to look at him. Swinging a bat doesn't result in big runs but often a thick edge

All Indian batsmen, use very heavy bats. I am presuming the same of Pakistan. Yes they all work out heavy (not sure of Rohit - he is just gifted with timing and seems to have that extra time)

 

[Zaz]

Pakistan doesnt need to At the moment we are good enough to win matches without relying on nrr etc

 

[Savak]

If their lives depend on it then sure. If they are expected to be knocked out and are no longer playing with the burdens of being expected to win these perhaps yes

 

[globalcitizen]

Of course pakistan can do it too against Scotland team.
It's just the intent and circumstances that a team comes across.
Scoring 86 in 42 balls requires just about 10 boundaries.
But doing the same against a better bowling team is difficult and would put Indian chances slightly a bit higher.

 

[Rana]

With Babar and Rizwan )

 

[arif_2021]

There’s a reason they scored so fast - Scotland’s bowling abd fielding…

Asif ali can finish the game under 25 balls with Scotland bowling in power play with two fielders out

Don’t underestimate ourselves please

 

[globalcitizen]

One criticism of Pakistan that I can make is, they take game deep even in Dubai stadium they should just coast with overs to spare. Winning 3 important toss was like gold

 

[Sunny_majoka]

This isn't an achievement, even Netherland chased 170 odd in 12 overs last t20 tournament against same team i think

 

[Shaddy86]

There's finally some Method to Pakistan's Madness. If they keep playing sensible cricket then there won't be any need to play erratic innings. Even to chase down 200 you dont have to go mad from get go, you play sensibly for first couple of overs, use the pp for next 4 and
then float your hitters. Pakistan in this tournament, on these pitches, with the current bowling won't need to chase 180+ and they won't feel the need to set a 200 runs total. The UAE pitches are perfect for Pakistan's style of play, set a total of around 170 and you're safe. Play sensibly and you can chase a total of around 170.

 

[Asif321]

Obviously No. Pakistan batting has different method .these conditions suit them that is why they have been successful .

 

[OmarKhan99]

Rizwan and Babar can accelerate when it matters, so I can see them playing an innings similar to this, when chasing a very modest total against bowling of Scotland (who to their credit kept bowling full to eke out wickets rather than save runs). We haven't seen them going full tilt before, because we've never needed them to. Their roles are to setup the game for Number 3-7, who can all give it a smack.

Let's imagine they couldn't. It really doesn't matter. As I'd prefer batsmen who can bat at a decent rate while also having good technique to negotiate swing/spin early and play the long haul, rather than batsmen who can smack it around on a flat pitch but get their stumps rearranged when there's a hint of swing.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

I understand that we have been the dominant team in this competition but I am wondering if based upon past history and faced with a scenario like the one India is facing, where ability to power through to a total is needed, could our batting line-up be able do what Virat Kohli and Co did tonight?

About 90 runs in the about first 6 overs of power-play?

After reading various comments from many fans here, it looks like our max limit in the first 6 power-play overs is about 30 runs and we are very satisfied with it.

I mean, even thought of Pak scoring fast in the power-play seems to have some fans getting their pants wet. And you are asking 90 runs ?????

 

[msb314]

This isn't an achievement, even Netherland chased 170 odd in 12 overs last t20 tournament against same team i think

Netherlands chases 190 against Ireland in 14 overs back in 2014

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Of course Pakistan can. Why would anyone think Pakistan can't.

That is if anyone takes facts into account.

Only in the last match against Namibia, Pakistan scored 71 runs from last 5 overs against Namibia. That's a strike rate of 236 - with Rizwan and Hafeez playing!

You just have to bat at 200+ SR for 6-7 overs and if you have 10 wickets to do it including the likes of Asif, Hassan in your line up, of course you can.

Pakistan can shuffle the batting order and go for it - although I have faith in Babar and Rizwan to get close on their own.

 

[DHONI183]

I still can´t get over the admirable minnow-bashing by Indian yesterday. Ruthless, absolutely ruthless. Finch, Guptill, Ganguly, Dilshan, McCullum, Tharanga and company would be most proud of KL Rahul, as would be Rohit from amongst his own team-mates.

Whilst we´re at it, and nobody seems to have done it, let me do the honours here. That was a brilliant, a brilliant, yorker by Safyaan Sharif to remove Rohit. A great ball!

 

[Giannis]

What KL and Sharma did today was unreal. No Pakistan batter can bat at that rate, especially when it matters!

We are good when the bowlers setup the game for us nicely and we can take our time.

They're talking about scotland...

 

[DHONI183]

KL Rahul´s batting, especially his hitting, reminds me so much of another Indian opener from South India - Murali Vijay. So similar in the way they bat when they´re in the hitting mode: stand still, the head rarely moves, the arms do the trick with the help of powerful shoulders. A joy to watch, although Vijay never reached the heights that Rahul has, but I remember a few of his innings for Chennai in the IPL. Guptill too is quite similar in style, minimum effort, hitting without much fuss, and he too is a treat to watch on his day - although a rarity they are; his days, I mean.

 

[Bilal7]

We saw which is the superior batting lineup in the first match of the tournament. Who gives a crap about which side can bully minnows better?

 

[Mobashir]

I understand that we have been the dominant team in this competition but I am wondering if based upon past history and faced with a scenario like the one India is facing, where ability to power through to a total is needed, could our batting line-up be able do what Virat Kohli and Co did tonight?

We don't need it, and Virat did nothing.
Surprising you didn't asked it when Australia did it against a better team just few days ago.

Even Bangladesh can do what India did yesterday. What was a real clinical quick chase was England's one Vs Australia. This, I don't think we can do.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Can't say now. It all depends on the situation. For example Pakistan chased 302 runs in 2 sessions against Sri Lanka few years ago.

 

[Justcrazy]

No Pakistan cannot do that .

Pakistan batting unit does not have consistent power hitters like India , India have a different set of batters who are second only to England.

 

[Justcrazy]

KL Rahul´s batting, especially his hitting, reminds me so much of another Indian opener from South India - Murali Vijay. So similar in the way they bat when they´re in the hitting mode: stand still, the head rarely moves, the arms do the trick with the help of powerful shoulders. A joy to watch, although Vijay never reached the heights that Rahul has, but I remember a few of his innings for Chennai in the IPL. Guptill too is quite similar in style, minimum effort, hitting without much fuss, and he too is a treat to watch on his day - although a rarity they are; his days, I mean.

Murli Vijay played some outstanding innings in one edition of IPL , I wonder why no side picking him now.

 

[Inswinging Yorker]

Pakistan do not have to match India, they have already beaten the IPL out of the arrogant Indians which they will remember for a very long time. Pakistan should bat first and continue the good work Babar and Rizwan are doing. In 24 hours India will be boarding the plane to go home)

 

[DHONI183]

I still can´t get over the admirable minnow-bashing by Indian yesterday. Ruthless, absolutely ruthless. Finch, Guptill, Ganguly, Dilshan, McCullum, Tharanga and company would be most proud of KL Rahul, as would be Rohit from amongst his own team-mates.

Whilst we´re at it, and nobody seems to have done it, let me do the honours here. That was a brilliant, a brilliant, yorker by Safyaan Sharif to remove Rohit. A great ball!

An apology to Hafeez, the legend that he is, for missing out on his name from the above list of minnow-bashers. No offence intended.

 

[DHONI183]

Murli Vijay played some outstanding innings in one edition of IPL , I wonder why no side picking him now.

He's past his prime. Punjab did give him chances I think and he didn't quite impress anyone with the bat. Chennai too were forced to get rid of him due to his poor form the last few seasons.

 

[realitygaf]

Pakistan can if they open with Sharjeel Khan and Fakhar Zaman. Babar and Rizwan does not have that
power game.

With Sharjeel and Fakhar 4 times out of 6, pakistan will be 12 for 2 . That can win you a match but lose you a tournament

 

[srh]

So many delusional Pakistan fans Get this fact: Pakistan has averaged 35 runs in first 6 overs of the 4 matches they have played so far. Asking those same openers who averages 35 runs to score almost triple more runs in same overs is unfair. It is not just their game. If Sharjeel and Fakhar were opening then may be Pakistan has a chance but not with Rizwan and Babar.

 

[Extreme Pace]

What KL and Sharma did today was unreal. No Pakistan batter can bat at that rate, especially when it matters!

We are good when the bowlers setup the game for us nicely and we can take our time.

You have to remember this was Scotland on a batting track. Versus a good attack no I don't think Pakistan can do it.

 

[Shahzad1985]

It’s raining this evening in UAE heavily. If this happens Tmro and a rain shortened game between NZ and Afganhistan then increases the chances of Afghanistan beating NZ

 

[UzmanBeast]

Our template is different.

It has brought us success which is why we are unbeaten so far.

The only thing that should change is some more intent.

Other than that, no complaints.

 

[Kroll]

Nope, but its something to work with and develop.

 

[Savak]

Sharjah Wicket is not easy to bat on. If the bowlers bowl a lot of cutters and slower deliveries, batsmen will struggle to time the ball. The Scotland bowlers are not fast and filled with medium pacers

 

[daytrader]

What's so special about what India did? Even Malik just demolished them

 

[Syed1]

Yes totally agree.... Infact India deserves to play semi instead of Pakistan because they made 80 odd in 6.3 overs. If you extrapolate that to the full 20 overs then India would have scored 250 in their 20. Lowly Pakistan only managed 189 in their 20.


Such injustice against India. They should have gone ahead to the semis considering how they played against Scotland.

 

[MenInG]

Ok I take it back.

We can

Malik's innings was brilliant.