What's new

Cryptocurrency trading strategies and updates

Anyone know much about OCEAN/RSR? As a newbie, which youtube channel and sources would be ideal to find out about upcoming coins before it hits mainstream and sources for general knowledge?

[MENTION=139649]WhenSultansBowled[/MENTION]

I’m trying to understand crypto. Hoping to to gradually invest in few coins. Absolutely gutted to miss out on Telcoin. Those who invested £800 in 2018 now have £40k. Gotta’ love this.
 
Anyone know much about OCEAN/RSR? As a newbie, which youtube channel and sources would be ideal to find out about upcoming coins before it hits mainstream and sources for general knowledge?

@<a href="http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/member.php?u=139649" target="_blank">WhenSultansBowled</a>

I’m trying to understand crypto. Hoping to to gradually invest in few coins. Absolutely gutted to miss out on Telcoin. Those who invested £800 in 2018 now have £40k. Gotta’ love this.

This should answer a lot of questions for you:
It is a very tricky market. There are thousands of coins out there.

Personally I rarely buy coins outside of Top 20. They must be present in at least 3 major exchanges and with a considerable trading volume.

This way you can minimize risk and slowly grow your portfolio.

There is this coin TLM (Alien Worlds https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/alien-worlds ); it started at 2 dollars, rose to 7.16, and I sold it at 0.60 :))

Conclusion: Pump and Dump is real in altcoins and it hurts :yk
 
The Complete Security Guide to keep you, your computer, and your crypto safe

Best to use my Debit card or bank transfer? This is the only thing that has been holding me back..SECURITY

You might be interested in this post regarding SECURITY.
Background: I currently work for a fortune 100 company's Computer Security Incident Response Team, I work specifically on detect and response which includes business email compromises, responding to phishing emails and malware within the organization, while documenting the process.

My last post on securing accounts got a lot of attention, and there was also a lot of feedback and recommendations to add and consider. After that post I set out to make the most complete guide yet on securing your account and listing the resources needed.

Email:

Email Providers

Any reputable email provider with 2FA will do

If you want to get more into privacy and encrypting emails there is Protonmail or Preveil

You can alternatively also hook up your current email with the Thunderbird email client (use to be managed by Mozilla Firefox) it is overseen by a volunteer board of contributors.

2FA - This is important, activating 2FA on your email is just as important as having it on exchanges. (Will cover more on 2FA further down)

Create an email specifically for Crypto, but also avoid using crypto keywords / personal information in the email, treat your email address like its public information.

Be on the lookout for Phishing emails, I made a post on how to identify phishing emails along with some useful tools here | How to spot a phishing email |

Quick tips for emails:

Don't trust email links

Double check the address bar of login pages

Know the levels of a domain

Check to see if your crypto sites allow a anti-phish banner that displays a code with their emails that you set.

Tracking pixels are also a thing, there not malicious in themselves, but they can potentially let attackers know if you have open an email / let them know the email exist and is active.

Furthermore You can check haveibeenpwned to see what data breaches your email has been apart of - If your email shows up and passwords are listed on the data that was compromised, ASSUME the worse and change the password and never use it again, along with any other accounts that use that password.

Passwords / PINs:

Don't reuse them EVER

Use strong secure passwords, passwords managers make these easy to manage and generate passwords.

This includes your phone and 2FA app, if you have a weak pin (1234) for your phone and someone takes it, remember your 2FA app is then available (if same pin, or no pin/pass set), your email is automatically signed in (same for other accounts auto signed-in), and they can access your text messages.

Don't use words relating to crypto or personal information in your passwords (or email), if they are compromised in a breach, assume they will search for these terms to target crypto users and try the same combo against crypto sites or figure who you based on the information (email & password) and pivot to finding public information that could lead to them answering challenge questions for password resets. (Your first pet, is it posted on Facebook? How about your car? Your first girlfriend/boyfriend?)

Password Managers: These work wonders when managing passwords securely. They generate random strong passwords which can be adjusted, and its all kept in an encrypted database file, so even if a attacker gets access to it, they won't be able to access it without the password.

Password Managers trusted by the community:

KeePass

BitWarden

LastPass

1Password

Don't save passwords in your browser

Does it require verification for you to use the password? Also I tend to find extensions being more buggy as they have to interact with more 'moving' parts and changing configurations, and generally more people try to target and exploit browsers.

2 Factor Authentications (2FA):

Enable on everything possible (Email, Exchanges, Banks, Robinhood, even Reddit to protect your moons)

Use 2FA Apps instead of SMS whenever possible, SIM Swap attacks are real, and more common than you think.

2FA Apps

Authy (Linux | Windows | macOS | Iphone | Android)

Google Authenticator (iOS | Android)

Microsoft Authenticator ( iOS | Android)

LastPass Authenticator (Browser Extension | iOS | Android | Windows Phone)

Hardware Keys

These are physical 2FA device (I chose this list as I think it does a good job explaining them with pros and cons, I did NOT vet the sellers that are listed on the amazon links. Always research and buy from a reliable source)

Backup codes:

When you activate 2FA on any account you should have the ability to generate backup codes, these are used incase you lose access to your authenticator, TREAT these like your seed phrases. Use them by logging in with your user and pass, and use these backup codes in place of the 2FA code you usually enter.

DO NOT take pictures of your QR codes, if you screenshot it, might end up syncing somewhere you don't want it to and if it ever gets compromised they have the ability to continually receive your 2FA code.

Also, DO NOT sign up for your 2FA app or any crypto service for that matter using your work or school email address. You lose access to that email, then consider all accounts gone as you won't be able to access the codes if you switch devices.

Wallets

Learn the difference between the different wallets, I think this article is REALLY good at going in depth about the differences and pros vs cons of them at a beginner level.

Cold wallets will always be more secure than any hot wallets as they aren't connected to the internet

Top trusted hardware wallets from the community:

Ledger

Trezor

Seed Phrases: Treat these as they are the keys to the kingdom (Keep offline and out of your notes app)

Less Secure:

Write down on paper and either break up the phrase and place in separate secure locations or hide them like the the FBI is going to come search your house

Secure on USB

Get a file shredder (securely deletes data, and overwrites it)

Download password manager (optional)

Disconnect device from internet

Enter seed phrase into password manager / create encrypted file

Put on a freshly reformatted USB / datalocker (Worms like to spread by USB)

Save to USB, and shred the original using the file shredder software

Hide USB

Another device / old phone

Factory reset

Set Pin / Pass

Download 2FA app and password manager / file encryption tool

Disconnect from internet FOR GOOD (Treat this like a cold wallet)

Back up 2FA and seed phrases

Hide device

More secure (more expensive):

BlockPlate

CryptoSteel

Have a copy saved in a safety deposit box / split between two banks.

NOTE: Each method is going to its pros and cons: Getting robbed, fading ink, the elements, data retention (USB ~10 years), ever being on a digital machine. Pick which ones benefits you the most, and correlates with your budget and what your willing to risk.

VPNs / TOR:

Privacy vs Anonymity

Privacy is the ability to keep your data and information about yourself exclusive to you (They know who you are, but not what you do).

Anonymity is about hiding and concealing your identity, but not your actions. (They know what you do, but not who you are)

Think about what your goal is, I commonly associate privacy with VPN and anonymity with TOR

Both encrypt your data before leaving your device, then routes it through proxy servers to mask your IP/Location. VPNs you have to trust the provider (ensure they state there is a no log policy) while TOR runs through servers ran by volunteers (don't think governments don't run their own) and lets you access the dark web. Here is a more in-depth comparison on VPN vs TOR.

Personally Its worth paying the few bucks a month for a paid tier of the VPN service.

VPN Providers - Zero log VPN services:

ProtonVPN

Nord

Mullvad

TOR

Brave offers TOR, but I would treat this more like a VPN

If being anonymous is your goal the only real way to achieve this is running Tails off a USB.

NOTE: Some exchanges and websites blacklist IP ranges associated with VPN and most commonly TOR for security reasons. Some people on this community stated that this can lead to them freezing your account.

Browsers (Excluding TOR):

Top 3 Browsers built for privacy

Firefox

Epic

Brave (I know Brave draws criticism but I made a technical post showing how the trackers didn't show up within the metamask extension through brave compared to Google Chrome.)

Learn to harden your browser to make it even more secure

Search Engine for privacy: DuckDuckGo

Extensions

One of the most dangerous threats I think that aren't taken seriously are extensions. These can start out legitimate, then through an update turn malicious. These will then be removed from the webstore, but not your browser.

Some will be removed the store due to not being supported anymore which = no more updates, and no more updates = vulnerabilities that won't be fixed

If you have Google Sync activated, these extensions will also sync to all those devices

Remove any extensions you don't need, check to see there still available on the store, and even search them to see if some security article like this pops up about it.

Check the privacy practice tab of the extension to see what data it collects.

Checking and verifying hashes of a download:

Hashes are the fingerprint of a file, even if you change the name of the file the hash will be the same. This is similar to how wallets work, its a string of characters and numbers, yet represents data (aka your holdings)

How to get hash:

Go to the search bar in windows and enter ‘cmd’ this should bring up the command prompt (open terminal on Linux / MAC)

type “Certutil -hashfile Desktop\example.txt sha256” for windows

type "Sha256sum Desktop\example.txt" for Linux

type “shasum -a 256 Desktop\example.txt” for MAC

(Remove quotes, and replace 'Desktop\example.txt" with the path to the file you want to check)

this should give you the sha256 hash you can copy and paste into VirusTotal to check to see if its known as malicious by many security vendors. Here is the hash and VirusTotal link for the shredder download I previously mentioned in the seed back up step. 72714927de74b97c524c5fa8bc1a0dec83f038dbbed80b93b5e6280ca1317f41/detection

NOTE: You can also just submit the file to VirusTotal, but if it potentially contains personal information, it will upload the file and allow other people to download it, searching the hash will not do this.

Other General Safety Tips:

Harden your PC (Guide is for Windows 10, but can translate to other OS)

Update OS and any software // turn on automatic updates - Everything you download is an attack vector

Set firewall rules - Default deny, open only p855orts you need, disable rules you don't need

disable remote access

Install AV // Malwarebytes for removing malware

Turn on encryption

Setup user accounts // privileges'

Strong password

If you use a encrypted messaging service, I highly recommend Signal, if you haven't seen their reply regarding a subpoena you should

Lock down your social media accounts (go to security settings, turn off being able to be found via search engine, ad related settings, change who can view your posts, etc)

Don't disclose your holdings and earnings

Don't access your crypto on your work computer

Don't answer PMs about winning some contest or some amazing opportunity

Phone:

Many users asked about security regarding people who mainly use their phones. Many of these tips can translate to phones as well, but here's a quick rundown.

Unique pin / password for the phone

download a password manager

email account purely for crypto

pin / password (different than getting into your phone) for your 2FA app.

Don't lend phone out

Avoid apps you don't need, read the 3 star reviews as they are the most honest)

Download VPN / be aware of the wifi your connecting to

Be aware of phishing

Call your service provider and see if they can lock your SIM card and prevent SIM swapping.

NOTE: These are still just suggestions, these are methods that balance security and usability. One could use 2 password managers and split a password between both, but that would compromise usability / ease of use.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurr...the_complete_security_guide_to_keep_you_your/
 
Please elaborate on this concept....

It’s not a concept.

Www.igindex.co.uk

The trading platform (shares, options, ISAs, CFDs, Speadbetting) offer a Crypto Index, which you can open a position on. You can bet if the index will go up (going long), or you can bet the index will fall (going short).

The index (just like DJIA, FTSE, etc) includes the top 10 crypto currencies.

So you are effectively betting on the industry, rather than individual crypto currencies.
 
So fellas, another meme coin called Shiba Inu just got listed on world's biggest exchange Binance.

This is insane.

I'm speechless.

This is Dogecoin replay.

https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/shiba-inu

Some people are getting very very rich as I type this message. My only advice: only invest what you are prepared to lose.

Stakes are very hight with this one.
 
only if you cash out, sooner or later the Doge party will be over, it will crash hard and is vulnerable to a 51% attack. Alot of young people are going to get rekt as they have gone full on into Doge rather than Eth or Btc

I booked more than 50% and converted most of it to ETC and BTC . ETC has done very well for me, almost 4X now.
I still have ~$500 profits left. Even if Doge disappears I will still end up with a decent profit.
 
Yeah what Robinhood did was uncalled for; however, their over all record and my personal historical experience has been not bad at all.

I also figured that the cost of buying from apps like Atomic Wallet is slightly higher but the hassle is a lot less. So for some people, it may be worth it.

But yes, it's always good to go though the well established trading platforms.

But Robinhood has very few options.
 
Which crypto projects are long term for future

BTC, ETH, ADA and DOT etc.

Download CoinGecko app
Checkout top coins by market cap, exchange Rankings and their historical price increase/decrease and then filter coins with presence on major exchanges (Kraken, Binance and Coinbase).
 
Been focussing more on coins with no utlity and trying to make quick gains on pancake swap recently. Its a crazy market with massive swings.

My main portfolio has been doing ok. Btc flying as usual and cardano while often resembling a stable coin has made a bit of a run lately.
 
I have roughly 1400 spread across BTC, ETH, ADA and DOT. ETH is my biggest holding, in 100% profit right now but not sure if I should sell half off 0.5 ETH as I have been looking to round up to 1 ETH, am waiting for ETH to steady a bit after this big push and if there’s a correction I want to buy another half, do you folk anticipate a correction of some kind this summer ? could be wrong but the big bull run with ETH looks to be during winter based on the past ?
 
Been focussing more on coins with no utlity and trying to make quick gains on pancake swap recently. Its a crazy market with massive swings.

My main portfolio has been doing ok. Btc flying as usual and cardano while often resembling a stable coin has made a bit of a run lately.

much as I resisted but gave up and threw $5K in SHIBA INU lol

I am already in + but I know it's gonna take a HUGE nose dive, but who knows if it follows the trend of Doge without any Musk behind it? :D :D
The community wants to bring it to $0.01
I think that will be awesome! lollll

I have roughly 1400 spread across BTC, ETH, ADA and DOT. ETH is my biggest holding, in 100% profit right now but not sure if I should sell half off 0.5 ETH as I have been looking to round up to 1 ETH, am waiting for ETH to steady a bit after this big push and if there’s a correction I want to buy another half, do you folk anticipate a correction of some kind this summer ? could be wrong but the big bull run with ETH looks to be during winter based on the past ?

ETH can't be mined anymore so if there is a correction, perhaps it wouldn't be a huge one.
Folks when heard the news, couldn't make much of what it means and start buying Ethereum Classic, and look how it's priced jumped up lol

Some people have gone crazy. Selling their houses and entire life savings to throw it all into crypto without having much knowledge. Just a hunch, is all what it takes them to burn all the bridges.

In my personal opinion. If you are investing anything under 15K, you should not have more than 2 or three coins max.

Over 50K = about 4 coins max.

Over 100K = about 10 coins.

Again, that's my personal opinion.
 
Last edited:
much as I resisted but gave up and threw $5K in SHIBA INU lol

I am already in + but I know it's gonna take a HUGE nose dive, but who knows if it follows the trend of Doge without any Musk behind it? :D :D
The community wants to bring it to $0.01
I think that will be awesome! lollll



ETH can't be mined anymore so if there is a correction, perhaps it wouldn't be a huge one.
Folks when heard the news, couldn't make much of what it means and start buying Ethereum Classic, and look how it's priced jumped up lol

Some people have gone crazy. Selling their houses and entire life savings to throw it all into crypto without having much knowledge. Just a hunch, is all what it takes them to burn all the bridges.

In my personal opinion. If you are investing anything under 15K, you should not have more than 2 or three coins max.

Over 50K = about 4 coins max.

Over 100K = about 10 coins.

Again, that's my personal opinion.

That’s pretty nuts risking their entire financial portfolio lol and home etc but this type of behaviour partly implies one of the most appealing aspects of crypto if we overlook the risks, inherently it seems people will continue to buy it through the big highs and lows, which may not rule out the targets and projections of the future.

At the moment I have invested amounts am willing to lose in crypto but mostly invest in shares, I want to get 1 ETH and right the wave, beyond that add bits and bobs to BTC/ADA/DOT, market down today, ETH drops by 5% , what sort of drop would you look for or price target to buy back in during this phase ?
 
That’s pretty nuts risking their entire financial portfolio lol and home etc but this type of behaviour partly implies one of the most appealing aspects of crypto if we overlook the risks, inherently it seems people will continue to buy it through the big highs and lows, which may not rule out the targets and projections of the future.

At the moment I have invested amounts am willing to lose in crypto but mostly invest in shares, I want to get 1 ETH and right the wave, beyond that add bits and bobs to BTC/ADA/DOT, market down today, ETH drops by 5% , what sort of drop would you look for or price target to buy back in during this phase ?

I don’t do candlestick pattern but I think a 15 to 20% drop could generally be a good entry point.

I am thinking to sell a few bits n bobs, and load a bag of Cardano for long term.

If I manage to pick $50K worth under a buck, then I guess it won’t be a bad deal.

I never liked Cardano back in 2018 cuz I thought it was an overkill but now I feel that if they deliver on their promise then I think they could be the biggest rival of ETH.
 
I don’t do candlestick pattern but I think a 15 to 20% drop could generally be a good entry point.

I am thinking to sell a few bits n bobs, and load a bag of Cardano for long term.

If I manage to pick $50K worth under a buck, then I guess it won’t be a bad deal.

I never liked Cardano back in 2018 cuz I thought it was an overkill but now I feel that if they deliver on their promise then I think they could be the biggest rival of ETH.

In 5 years, I won't be surprised ar all if ADA is around $20. Plus you can stake it and earn continuously.
 
my wild guess on ADA? $10 in about two years.
Do you guys anticipate any significant price corrections for ADA and ETH in near future? I was reading some reports which mentioned that Ether is significnatly over valued and cannot sustain the current growth rates.
 
Do you guys anticipate any significant price corrections for ADA and ETH in near future? I was reading some reports which mentioned that Ether is significnatly over valued and cannot sustain the current growth rates.

Only speculations. No one can accurately predict the future.
IMO, and as we all notice, the market moves in waves. There are continuous ups and downs.
The road is always bumpy for all.
I have a feeling that ADA is currently over priced and there is a chance of a greater correction than ETH.
The reason is, they haven’t introduced anything significant in the new development.
The price is perhaps rising primarily because ETH has gone too high and some new investors are shying away. So they are buying ADA instead.

ETH might hit 10K in a years time from a few analysts that I am following, but who knows?

There are so many projects based on ERC20, and these stupid gas fees are a pain for all traders.
The congestion on their network is another nuance. Yet the price keeps going up cuz too much investment has already been made in ERC20 technology by 100’s of altcoins developers, and they can’t easily back out.

If ADA delivers with very, very low gas fee and a much faster network speed than they will probably take a good portion of the market from ETH.
I think right now, how many projects are building on ADA?
4, I guess?, in comparisons to 100’s on ETH.

Stellar Lumens $XLM is also a good contender of ADA and ETH, in my opinion.
Keep an eye on it.
 
Only speculations. No one can accurately predict the future.
IMO, and as we all notice, the market moves in waves. There are continuous ups and downs.
The road is always bumpy for all.
I have a feeling that ADA is currently over priced and there is a chance of a greater correction than ETH.
The reason is, they haven’t introduced anything significant in the new development.
The price is perhaps rising primarily because ETH has gone too high and some new investors are shying away. So they are buying ADA instead.

ETH might hit 10K in a years time from a few analysts that I am following, but who knows?

There are so many projects based on ERC20, and these stupid gas fees are a pain for all traders.
The congestion on their network is another nuance. Yet the price keeps going up cuz too much investment has already been made in ERC20 technology by 100’s of altcoins developers, and they can’t easily back out.

If ADA delivers with very, very low gas fee and a much faster network speed than they will probably take a good portion of the market from ETH.
I think right now, how many projects are building on ADA?
4, I guess?, in comparisons to 100’s on ETH.

Stellar Lumens $XLM is also a good contender of ADA and ETH, in my opinion.
Keep an eye on it.
Thanks for a very comprehensive reply. I am looking for some real long term type investment options.
 
Thanks for a very comprehensive reply. I am looking for some real long term type investment options.

Yep, it's very hard to find the winning horse. I guess luck plays some role too.

Many at times what I thought would yield good returns, actually backfired.

Right now, believe it or not, my biggest gainer is a coin called Polygon (Matic). I knew lil to nothing about it when it was sitting on $0.05
I had a couple of thousand USDT sitting idle that I wanted to throw on something. Saw a video on YT about Matic and threw my money on it without giving much of a thought. And here we are.
 
Only speculations. No one can accurately predict the future.
IMO, and as we all notice, the market moves in waves. There are continuous ups and downs.
The road is always bumpy for all.
I have a feeling that ADA is currently over priced and there is a chance of a greater correction than ETH.
The reason is, they haven’t introduced anything significant in the new development.
The price is perhaps rising primarily because ETH has gone too high and some new investors are shying away. So they are buying ADA instead.

ETH might hit 10K in a years time from a few analysts that I am following, but who knows?

There are so many projects based on ERC20, and these stupid gas fees are a pain for all traders.
The congestion on their network is another nuance. Yet the price keeps going up cuz too much investment has already been made in ERC20 technology by 100’s of altcoins developers, and they can’t easily back out.

If ADA delivers with very, very low gas fee and a much faster network speed than they will probably take a good portion of the market from ETH.
I think right now, how many projects are building on ADA?
4, I guess?, in comparisons to 100’s on ETH.

Stellar Lumens $XLM is also a good contender of ADA and ETH, in my opinion.
Keep an eye on it.

Any new project under a Penny that could become 100$
 
Any new project under a Penny that could become 100$

lol haha
If I knew, I would sell my house and put it all in that coin.

For fun only, look at Kishu Inu, Shiba Inu and also Hokkaida Inu. What can you do wrong with them? Daily volume in 100 of millions.

On some of the older coins. I missed out on IOST and BTT but they are still pretty cheap, and are in the red, so could be a good entry point? Who know.
 
Vitalik Buterin, the creator of Ethereum has donated $1 billion of SHIB to the India Covid Relief Fund!!
 
I hope, for the sake of all these poor souls who are getting into BTC at such high prices, that Elon and Tesla are serious about BTC and it is not a ploy to earn quick 15% over $1,5b.

Elon didn't have any liquidity when we were in strict quarantine last year.

His cars will have some serious competition when Toyota, Volkswagen and Ford start producing 100% electric cars. Right now, Teslas are overpriced and lack in build quality...

These are very negative thoughts and a very pessimistic pov but you never know with sociopath billionaires and their drive to earn more and more...

I'll leave this post. I hope to laugh at it in coming years.

Sigh. Seems like I was not entirely wrong. BTC will recover tho. It should reach $100.000 in 2 years.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tesla & Bitcoin <a href="https://t.co/YSswJmVZhP">pic.twitter.com/YSswJmVZhP</a></p>— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) <a href="https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1392602041025843203?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
https://www.reuters.com/technology/musk-decries-bitcoins-insane-energy-use-after-tesla-payment-u-turn-2021-05-13/

Tesla Inc boss Elon Musk denounced the “insane” amount of energy used to produce bitcoin on Thursday, doubling down on his sudden rejection of the cryptocurrency as a means of payment over environmental concerns.

Bitcoin fell more than 10% after Musk, one of its most famous backers, tweeted his decision to suspend its use, less than two months after Tesla began accepting it as payment for its electric cars. Other cryptocurrencies, including ethereum, also fell before regaining some ground in Asian trade.

"Cryptocurrency is a good idea on many levels and we believe it has a promising future, but this cannot come at great cost to the environment," Musk tweeted on Wednesday.

He followed this up on Thursday, tweeting a graph of bitcoin’s power consumption and saying: “Energy usage trend over past few months is insane.”

Tesla revealed in February it had bought $1.5 billion of bitcoin, the world’s biggest digital currency, before announcing it would accept it as payment for its electric cars in March. The company later said it had trimmed its position by 10% in the first quarter.

The announcements turbo-charged the crypto market, driving the price of bitcoin up by about 20%. Yet they highlighted an apparent contradiction with billionaire Musk’s reputation as a champion of low-carbon technology.

Some Tesla investors and environmental campaigners have been increasingly critical about the way bitcoin is created or “mined”; high-powered computers compete to solve complex mathematical puzzles in an energy-intensive process that often relies on fossil fuels, particularly coal.

Musk said he backed that concern, especially the use of "coal, which has the worst emissions of any fuel."

Tesla would retain its bitcoin holdings with the plan to use the cryptocurrency as soon as mining transitions to more sustainable energy sources, Musk said.

Some investors welcomed the U-turn.

"We were surprised it took Musk so long to recognize the detrimental impact of Bitcoin on the environment but are happy to see the reversal of Tesla's position," said Ben Dear, CEO of Osmosis Investment Management, which holds Tesla stock in several portfolios.

He said the reversal will "put pressure companies moving forward to think twice about the consequences before accepting it as a form of payment," adding the volatility of bitcoin makes it commercially nonviable for large scale corporate adoption.

Meltem Demirors, chief strategy officer at digital asset manager CoinShares Group, said Tesla was unlikely to have sold many, if any, cars using bitcoin and the back flip generated positive publicity while simplifying payment processes.

"Elon was getting a lot of questions and criticisms and this statement allows him to appease critics while still keeping bitcoin on his balance sheet," Demirors said.

Mark Humphery-Jenner, an associate professor of finance at the University of New South Wales, said he was more concerned about Tesla management's "very hasty and precipitous" decision-making.

Musk did not say in his Twitter comments whether any vehicles had been purchased with bitcoin and Tesla did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Musk reiterated he remained a strong believer in cryptocurrencies.

"We are also looking at other cryptocurrencies that use <1% of bitcoin's energy/transaction," he tweeted on Wednesday.

Just a day earlier, Musk had polled Twitter users on whether Tesla should accept dogecoin, a currency he has helped turn from a joke into a valuable commodity.

He announced on Sunday that his commercial rocket company SpaceX would accept dogecoin as payment to launch a lunar mission next year - just hours after he sent the cryptocurrency spiraling downward when he called it a “a hustle” during a guest-host spot on the “Saturday Night Live” TV show.

The dominance of Chinese bitcoin miners and lack of motivation to swap cheap fossil fuels for more expensive renewables could mean there are few quick fixes to the cryptocurrency's emissions problem.

Officials in Beijing are conducting a check on data centers involved in cryptocurrency mining to better understand their impact on energy consumption, sources told Reuters last month.
 
I rounded up to 1 ETH today on CB, bought 0.5 @ 2680, my average is like 2100/2200. Then I sold some ETH which I was in profit on binance and put it in BTC, good moves ?

I wonder if ETH will primarily trade sideways now until the winter, Benjamin Cowen feels there will be a big push in the Winter.

I think am done with ETH/BTC for now have put a little more then I’d have liked in crypto, going to focus more on shares and savings
 
I rounded up to 1 ETH today on CB, bought 0.5 @ 2680, my average is like 2100/2200. Then I sold some ETH which I was in profit on binance and put it in BTC, good moves ?

I wonder if ETH will primarily trade sideways now until the winter, Benjamin Cowen feels there will be a big push in the Winter.

I think am done with ETH/BTC for now have put a little more then I’d have liked in crypto, going to focus more on shares and savings

I would not listen to Cowen, he has a history of wrong calls. I know suddenly he's flava of the month as he's a PHd nerd but the guy only recently took into account the btc 4 year cycle, in Nov he was saying btc would struggle to hit 20k this year so if you'd listened to him you wouldn't have entered the trade.
 
I rounded up to 1 ETH today on CB, bought 0.5 @ 2680, my average is like 2100/2200. Then I sold some ETH which I was in profit on binance and put it in BTC, good moves ?

I wonder if ETH will primarily trade sideways now until the winter, Benjamin Cowen feels there will be a big push in the Winter.

I think am done with ETH/BTC for now have put a little more then I’d have liked in crypto, going to focus more on shares and savings

If you had recommend one for a 10%-15% return, what would it be?
 
If you had recommend one for a 10%-15% return, what would it be?

I am not a financial advisor and there is no guarantee with any investments. However, i think cardano is more stable then other crypto and more catered for a lower return but stability. Please do your own due diligence.
 
Elon Musk Says He’s Working With Dogecoin Developers To Improve Transaction Efficiency

The Tesla CEO did a Bitcoin U-turn, said the company was suspending vehicle purchases using the cryptocurrency.

Elon Musk has shown again he can influence the digital currency market with just his tweets. After saying that his electric vehicle-making company Tesla will not accept payments in Bitcoin because of environmental concerns, he tweeted that he was working with developers of Dogecoin to improve system transaction efficiency. Following the two distinct statements from him, the world's largest cryptocurrency hit a two-month low, while Dogecoin rallied by about 20 percent. The SpaceX CEO has in recent months often tweeted in support of Dogecoin, but rarely for Bitcoin.

In a recent tweet, Musk put out a statement from Tesla that it was “concerned” about the rapidly increasing use of fossil fuels for Bitcoin (price in India) mining and transaction, and hence was suspending vehicle purchases using the cryptocurrency.

A day later he again tweeted saying, “To be clear, I strongly believe in crypto, but it can't drive a massive increase in fossil fuel use, especially coal”.

It triggered a downward spiral for Bitcoin value but the cryptocurrency has stabilised since.

And now he has said he was working with Dogecoin (price in India) developers to improve “system transaction efficiency” and added that the currency has potential.

A number of Twitter users welcomed Musk's statement. One of them said it's time people started realising that Dogecoin “is here to stay” and another referred to Musk's previous assertion that crypto could become the world's future currency.


However, Twitter user [MENTION=130220]Jeff[/MENTION]Tutorials also asked him to stop “manipulating” crypto markets and he was supported by a few others.

How about you stop manipulating the crypto markets?
— Jeff


This only shows how crypto cannot be trusted, if one person can influence a currency this much, what's its actual worth?
— Michael DeLarge


Time and again, Musk's tweets have influenced the value of Bitcoin as well as Dogecoin. While in February, a series of tweets by Musk, hailing Dogecoin, took the value of the meme-based cryptocurrency to wild levels. In March, the value of Bitcoin rose to a then all-time high of $60,000 (roughly Rs. 43 lakhs) after he announced that Tesla would accept the cryptocurrency as a mode of payment.

https://gadgets.ndtv.com/internet/news/dogecoin-price-rally-surge-elon-musk-tweet-twitter-working-developers-improve-transaction-efficiency-2442120
 
Elon is trolling everyone, there are no Doge developers, it was an abandoned project. You can check on github there's been no development.
 
I am not a financial advisor and there is no guarantee with any investments. However, i think cardano is more stable then other crypto and more catered for a lower return but stability. Please do your own due diligence.

Thanks. I am well versed in buying shares and have had some success but with the Cryptos, I don't know anything.
 
Thanks. I am well versed in buying shares and have had some success but with the Cryptos, I don't know anything.

Others are probably better equipped to advise in this thread as I am new to crypto myself but personally I have my main positions in BTC and ETH, for the slightly more risky holds I have Cardano and DOT, as they say don’t invest what you are not prepared to lose. Invest Answers, Benjamin Cowen youtube channels are decent for background but generally do a bit of research to.
 
I would not listen to Cowen, he has a history of wrong calls. I know suddenly he's flava of the month as he's a PHd nerd but the guy only recently took into account the btc 4 year cycle, in Nov he was saying btc would struggle to hit 20k this year so if you'd listened to him you wouldn't have entered the trade.

To be fair he does say he could be wrong and he isn’t giving financial advice, whatever I watch tend to take a conservative look regardless and like the tech analysis bits and general background
 
Thanks. I am well versed in buying shares and have had some success but with the Cryptos, I don't know anything.

I assure you that 99% of ordinary people invested in the markets also know nothing about crypto. They couldn't talk for 30 seconds about the actual use cases behind the coins that they hold.
 
I assure you that 99% of ordinary people invested in the markets also know nothing about crypto. They couldn't talk for 30 seconds about the actual use cases behind the coins that they hold.

Your right but when I go in, and it has to be big, and it has to be worth the risk. I see everyone making free money and I want a piece of the action.
 
Your right but when I go in, and it has to be big, and it has to be worth the risk. I see everyone making free money and I want a piece of the action.

Thats a naive way of looking at it. There can be massive losses in crypto particularly if you go in on smaller mcap coins.

Success isn't a guarantee. Every coin just now is an ATH. It can't and won't go up forever.
 
Your right but when I go in, and it has to be big, and it has to be worth the risk. I see everyone making free money and I want a piece of the action.

When everyone is making easy money on something they know nothing about it is a sign that the market is massively overvalued and a correction is coming.

From the start of the year you could have thrown money at any 5 random coins from the top 100 on coinmarketcap and you'd be up a bunch regardless of it's use case.

Crypto is going nuts and research is almost completely unneccesary. All manner of random coins are being driven on speculation and greed. How long this bubble lasts until it pops (again) is the risk you're taking when you get involved. Eventually, someone is going to be left holding the bag.
 
When everyone is making easy money on something they know nothing about it is a sign that the market is massively overvalued and a correction is coming.

From the start of the year you could have thrown money at any 5 random coins from the top 100 on coinmarketcap and you'd be up a bunch regardless of it's use case.

Crypto is going nuts and research is almost completely unneccesary. All manner of random coins are being driven on speculation and greed. How long this bubble lasts until it pops (again) is the risk you're taking when you get involved. Eventually, someone is going to be left holding the bag.

You are right and we all know it, hence my desire for a quick return and get out.
 
I have also picked up a small bag of Harmony (ONE), and my small bag for these small coin means, at least 10K coins.
 
Thats a naive way of looking at it. There can be massive losses in crypto particularly if you go in on smaller mcap coins.

Success isn't a guarantee. Every coin just now is an ATH. It can't and won't go up forever.

As far as BTC, ETH, ADA and DOT are concerned, are you personally refraining from investing due to their ATH even at the prospect of potentially holding for 4-5 years ? in the instance there is a big correction. Also, it does seem like we are in a bit of a bubble, when do you anticipate it will peak potentially ? not financial advice of course
 
Right guys anyone willing to give step by step guide to invest in crypto , thinking of investing in cardano, eth, bitcoin for a period of 4to5 years
 
As far as BTC, ETH, ADA and DOT are concerned, are you personally refraining from investing due to their ATH even at the prospect of potentially holding for 4-5 years ? in the instance there is a big correction. Also, it does seem like we are in a bit of a bubble, when do you anticipate it will peak potentially ? not financial advice of course

Ive been invested in BTC and Eth since 2017. I have less than one BTC and I only have around 1.5 eth but I have held since then as this allows me to play around with other coins while using BTC and ETH. Over the years I've bought and sold, chopped and changed. 2017 dump was a big learning curve for me and I don't want to go through that again lol. I was wrong on ETH - I am in heavy in ADA as I thought it would kill eth....it hans;t quite done that yet.

ADA I got in this year at around .33 cents but I did have investment in 2017 ( small amount) and DOT I got in lateish this year.

I haven't touched my large mcap coins for a while but got very lucky as I think I managed to make 35x my initial investment in some meme coins, which I still have split between other memecoins and some BNB.

I doubt I will hold for 4-5 years to be honest bro. I have a financial figure in mind that will dictate when I pull out. That financial figure is influenced by crypto and non crypto savings/investments so if my non-crypto stuff somehow flies then I will hodl crypto for a while longer.

I love the thrill to be honest.
 
Last edited:
What do you guys think about recent handling of Bitcoin and Dogecoin by Elon Musk? He is being condenmed widely and surely it looks very shady. I also read that some action by regulators is also possible in regards to manipulation of cryptos for Tesla balance sheet.

Is this behaviour acceptable? What are the laws ? And is Elon Musk’s celebrity status letting him get away with this?
 
brought ICP and i am down by $600 atm. Not a great start

Strong hands tend to have better chances to win.
The market is currently in a blood bath. IMO, things will start to change.
I am down $2000 on a coin that I recently picked, but that’s part of the thrill. It’s a roller coaster ride.
 
What's the fate of Shiba Inu now?

Ethereum co-founder Vitalik Buterin destroys 410 trillion Shiba Inu coins


Less than a week after donating over $1 billion in cryptocurrency to the India Covid Relief Fund and a range of other charities, the world's youngest known crypto billionaire has burned over US$6.7billion ($9.29 billion) worth of the Shiba Inu coins.

Ethereum co-founder Vitalik Buterin sent a whopping 410,241,996,771,871.894771826174755464 coins to a dead wallet address – effectively destroying them and now accounting for 41 per cent of the total SHIB in circulation.
 
https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/bitcoin-hits-three-month-low-musk-drives-investors-exit-2021-05-17/

Bitcoin fell to a three-month low on Monday in a volatile session that saw investors selling and buying the digital currency after Tesla boss Elon Musk tweeted about the carmaker's bitcoin holdings.

Bitcoin fell to as low as $42,185, its lowest since Feb. 8, and was last down 6.2% at $43,564.

In his latest tweet, Musk said "Tesla has not sold any bitcoin". A day earlier, he suggested Tesla may have done so, and last week, Musk said Tesla would stop taking bitcoin as payment due to environmental concerns about energy use to process transactions.

Musk has boosted crypto markets with his enthusiasm for the asset class, but has lately roiled trade by appearing to cool on bitcoin in favor of its one-time parody, dogecoin. While bitcoin, dogecoin and ether still enjoy strong gains year to date, their latest gyrations are beginning to spook even steeled traders.

"At this rate of fall, bitcoin is likely to see support at $40,000 if the selling continues, and surviving this fundamental onslaught can set a new run that will create a new all-time high of $70,000 in the mid-to long term," said Alexander Vasiliev, co-founder and chief commercial officer of global payment network Mercuryo.

"The market has proven it can react to Elon's tweets and should his comments continue to stream in unbridled, (bitcoin's)price may be kept below $50,000 for much longer," he added.

Ether, linked to the ethereum blockhain, fell to as low as $3,123.94, and last traded down 8.3% at $3,291. Dogecoin fell 6%to US$0.48, according to crypto data tracker CoinGecko.com.

Tesla disclosed in February that it had bought $1.5 billion worth of bitcoin in the first quarter. At the end of April, Musk said the company sold 10% of its holdings for liquidity purposes.

Bitcoin, designed as a payment tool, is little used for commerce in major economies, hampered by high volatility and relatively costly transactions.

The most popular digital currency is now down a third from its record high in mid-April and JPMorgan's crunching of fund flow data shows investors exiting positions in recent weeks.

An unverified Twitter account called @CryptoWhale, said: "Bitcoiners are going to slap themselves next quarter when they find out Tesla dumped the rest of their #Bitcoin holdings. With the amount of hate @elonmusk is getting, I wouldn't blame him..."

In response, Musk wrote: "Indeed."

It was not clear whether he was confirming sales or whether he referred only to the fact that he had faced criticism.

Bitcoin has dropped by almost a quarter since Musk's reversal on Tesla taking it as payment. read more Dogecoin has yet to fully recover from Musk describing it as a "hustle", although it did rise last week when Musk said he was working to improve its efficiency.

For an asset class that has surged this year, with dogecoin up about a hundredfold, ether up more than fourfold and bitcoin gaining 45%, some are beginning to call time on the wild ride.

"Why would I want to buy bitcoin right now - even if I’m bullish - until the liquidation is over and you see some consolidation in price?" said Chris Weston of brokerage Pepperstone in Melbourne.
 
Strong hands tend to have better chances to win.
The market is currently in a blood bath. IMO, things will start to change.
I am down $2000 on a coin that I recently picked, but that’s part of the thrill. It’s a roller coaster ride.

You must be really enjoying the ride today then!

In all seriousness - hope you and all other investors are ok today. I know a lot of people will have taken profits on the way up but at the same time, a lot of people got in late or haven't.
 
I have lost more than half of my money invested. Its the 1st ever investment I have lost a significant amount money on.
 
I have lost more than half of my money invested. Its the 1st ever investment I have lost a significant amount money on.

No.

You lose when you sell, pay comissions/taxes and you have transferred rest of FIAT in your bank.

Right now it is just a trailer of perceptibly upcoming bear market.

We should hodl until next bull cycle or sell if we are about to get evicted from our homes (in this case we shouldn't have invested in 1st place).
 
Last edited:
No.

You lose when you sell, pay comissions/taxes and you have transferred rest of FIAT in your bank.

Right now it is just a trailer of perceptibly upcoming bear market.

We should hodl until next bull cycle or sell if we are about to get evicted from our homes (in this case we shouldn't have invested in 1st place).

I am going to hold but I don't think I will get most of it back. It serves me right, I was being greedy. I invested in something that I have no idea about, just got carried away. You live and learn.
 
I am going to hold but I don't think I will get most of it back. It serves me right, I was being greedy. I invested in something that I have no idea about, just got carried away. You live and learn.

How bad is it?

Doge bad? or some unknown coin churned a week ago?

I still believe that coins with good staking possibility are a good idea. Even if we go -50% from current point.

And remember everyone has lost in 'investing/crypto' world since time immemorial.

Watch these two videos, don't let the video title, Guy's expression and meme format fool you. These are videos I'd pay money to watch.

staking


&

alt coins

 
Last edited:
I am going to hold but I don't think I will get most of it back. It serves me right, I was being greedy. I invested in something that I have no idea about, just got carried away. You live and learn.

What did you invest in?
If it's bitcoin then hold, it will come storming back , I'm waiting for a good entry point to jump in to Bitcoin.
 
how bad is it?

Doge bad? Or some unknown coin churned a week ago?

I still believe that coins with good staking possibility are a good idea. Even if we go -50% from current point.

And remember everyone has lost in 'investing/crypto' world since time immemorial.

Watch these two videos, don't let the video title, guy's expression and meme format fool you. These are videos i'd pay money to watch.

staking


&

alt coins


icp
 
You must be really enjoying the ride today then!

In all seriousness - hope you and all other investors are ok today. I know a lot of people will have taken profits on the way up but at the same time, a lot of people got in late or haven't.


Yep, even after a good 25% loss in one of my portfolio, I am still in a good profit position as I got early and thanks to Polygon Matic. And it has bounced backed OK.

China has banned crypto like 5 times in past and all they banned now was Financial institutions from offering any saving, trust or pledging services of cryptocurrency, nor are they allowed to issue financial products related to cryptocurrency.


Lets see for how long this pulls back the market. IMO, good time to get for a new investors.
 
Yep, even after a good 25% loss in one of my portfolio, I am still in a good profit position as I got early and thanks to Polygon Matic. And it has bounced backed OK.

China has banned crypto like 5 times in past and all they banned now was Financial institutions from offering any saving, trust or pledging services of cryptocurrency, nor are they allowed to issue financial products related to cryptocurrency.


Lets see for how long this pulls back the market. IMO, good time to get for a new investors.

Glad to hear it. Despite today's massive drop things still feel bullish in the markets. I think there's still a fair bit of potential in this cycle, but it'll be reserved for a resurgence in BTC while alts will continue to struggle.
 
There appears to be a quite massive crypto correction in progress. I guess stricter crypto market regulations are on its way .... Time to sit back and observe this ...
 
Back
Top