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The Indian army today launched attacks on terror camps located inside Pakistan occupied Kashmir in which four to five Pakistan Army soldiers were killed and several were injured, sources said. According to sources, four terror launch pads in Neelam valley - opposite the Tangdhar sector of Kupwara -- have been destroyed in the artillery strikes.

Sources indicated that this was retaliation to the cross-border firing by Pakistan in Tangdhar, in which two Indian soldiers and a civilian died. Five others were also injured in the attack, which took place this morning.

The terror camps, sources said, have been actively trying to push terrorists into Indian territory, part of Pakistan's plan to destabilise the situation in Jammu and Kashmir, following the Centre's move to end the state's special status ad bifurcate it into two Union Territories.

Till September this year, Pakistan had committed more than 2,050 unprovoked ceasefire violations in which 21 people died, the centre had said last month. Repeated requests have been made to Islamabad to stick to the 2003 ceasefire understanding, a spokesman had said.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/arm...ery-fire-sources-2119771?pfrom=home-topscroll
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Indian unprovoked CFVs in Jura, shahkot & Nousehri Sectors deliberately targeting civilians. Effectively responded. 9 Indian soldiers killed several injured. 2 Indian bunkers destroyed.<br>During exchange of fire 1 soldier & 3 civilians shaheed, 2 soldiers & 5 civilians injured.</p>— DG ISPR (@OfficialDGISPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/status/1185824960889180161?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 20, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Indian troops killed at least six civilians and injured another nine, including women and young girls, as they resorted to "indiscriminate and ruthless" shelling from across the Line of Control (LoC) in Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK), officials said on Sunday.

They said it was the highest death toll in 2019 in a single day of Indian shelling from across the dividing line.

Confirming the casualties, AJK Prime Minister Raja Farooq Haider said Indian forces in occupied Kashmir had "gone berserk".

In a post shared on Twitter, he added: "This is the height of savagery. The world must not stay silent over it."

The worst-hit areas were the Nauseri sector of district Muzaffarabad and its adjoining Jura sector of Neelum Valley.

"The shelling began before midnight and it was the heaviest [so far]," said Muzaffarabad Deputy Commissioner Badar Munir.

"They [Indian troops] used field artillery and mortars and targeted civilian populations," he said.

Residents who posted videos on social media said the Indians had fired tracer munitions as well.

Tracer ammunition are cannon calibre projectiles that are built with a small pyrotechnic charge in their base. Ignited by the burning powder, the pyrotechnic composition burns very brightly, making the projectile trajectory visible to the naked eye during daylight and very bright during night time firing.

Munir said one of the shells pierced through a house in Nosadda village, leaving two family members dead and as many injured. The deceased were identified as Haji Azam and his son Rafaqat and the injured were Rafaqat’s mother Roshan Jan, 55, and daughter Kainat, 4.

In the same village, Haji Sarfraz, son of Ghulam Rabbani was killed and Nargis, 45, wife of Irshad was injured, the deputy commissioner said.

Elsewhere in Nauseri sector, Liaquat Khan, 35, from Swabi, and Faisal, 30, from Taxila were killed when a shell fell near their tent on a link road, he said. The duo was working as labourers at Panjkot road.

The DC said Shabbir, 38, son of Yaqoob and his mother Begum Jan, 60, were injured in Kanoor village of Nauseri sector.

According to Munir, material losses in the area were still being ascertained.

In Neelum Valley, Jura sector in the lower belt was the worst-hit area, said Akhtar Ayub, a disaster management official based in district headquarters Athmuqam.

"It seemed that they [Indian troops] wanted to destroy everything," said Raza Awan, a resident of Jura.

Faiz Talab, a police official in Athmuqam, told Dawn that a resident of Loralai, identified as Zafar Khan, 45, was killed in Jura village and a woman and three young girls were injured in Islampura village.

He identified them as Robina Bibi, wife of Abdul Ghafoor, Rashima Bibi, daughter of Abdul Ghafoor, Khizra Bibi, daughter of Abdul Qayyum and Zarqa Manzoor, daughter of Manzoor.

The injured were admitted in a military-run health facility in the area, he said.

He added that 43 shops, 53 houses, six vehicles and three motorcycles had been damaged by Indian shelling.

The Indian provocation comes as tensions remain high between India and Pakistan over the former's move to revoke occupied Kashmir's special autonomy on August 5. On October 15, at least three civilians had died and eight others injured in AJK after Indian troops resorted to similar indiscriminate shelling from across the LoC, officials had said.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1511928/6...rt-to-indiscriminate-shelling-from-across-loc
 
Look at the contrast between NDTV and DAWN reports. I've always maintained that in matters like these , truth is always somewhere in the middle.

By "matters like these" , I mean situations where two parties of opposite atances try to push an agenda too deep for their convenience. But the truth will be between those lines .

In this case, there might been a few terror launchpads attacked by the IA which may have resulted in a few civilian deaths as collateral damage.
 
Mesozoic said:
Look at the contrast between NDTV and DAWN reports. I've always maintained that in matters like these , truth is always somewhere in the middle.

By "matters like these" , I mean situations where two parties of opposite atances try to push an agenda too deep for their convenience. But the truth will be between those lines .

In this case, there might been a few terror launchpads attacked by the IA which may have resulted in a few civilian deaths as collateral damage.
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There are no terror launch pad, only terror that is spread is by Modi. Indians have been proven liars with the Febuary events.
 
Pakistan can't win this war, cos the Indians don't care about civilian casualties. They were willing to risk 120 Hindus on the SpiceJet flight, they won't care about Muslims living in Kashmir.
 
Asim_khan said:
Pakistan can't win this war, cos the Indians don't care about civilian casualties. They were willing to risk 120 Hindus on the SpiceJet flight, they won't care about Muslims living in Kashmir.
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Spicejet apparently had majority Afghans. A win win for the Indians if that plane was bought down. A dirty nation now operated by a fascist govt.
 
King-Misbah said:
There are no terror launch pad, only terror that is spread is by Modi. Indians have been proven liars with the Febuary events.
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Whole world knows who the liars are after the whole OBL thing. Talk about people living in glass houses.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Indian Army struggling to pick dead bodies and evacuate injured soldiers. Indian Army raising white flag. This they should think before initiating unprovoked CFVs and respect military norms by avoiding to target innocent civilians.</p>— DG ISPR (@OfficialDGISPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/status/1185836163690647552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 20, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Indian Army shall always get befitting response to CFVs. Pakistan Army shall protect innocent civilians along LOC & inflict unbearable cost to Indian Army. Indian lies to justify their false claims & preparations for a false flag operation will continue to be exposed with truth.</p>— DG ISPR (@OfficialDGISPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/status/1185831308964126720?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 20, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Targeting innocent civilians by Indian Army is an attempt to justify their false claims of targeting alleged camps. Injured civilians evacuated to District hospitals. UNMOGIP as well as domestic & foreign media have open access to AJK, a liberty not available in IOJ&K. <a href="https://t.co/mTyxCteYti">pic.twitter.com/mTyxCteYti</a></p>— DG ISPR (@OfficialDGISPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/status/1185829640256012288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 20, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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King-Misbah said:
There are no terror launch pad, only terror that is spread is by Modi. Indians have been proven liars with the Febuary events.
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So why is pakistan on FATF list for terror financing?

Why are UN designated terrorists roaming around in pakistan?
 
cricketjoshila said:
So why is pakistan on FATF list for terror financing?

Why are UN designated terrorists roaming around in pakistan?
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Why was Modi banned from America? End of the day, money talks. Can you please shed some light on the Spicejet plane?!?! Cheers
 
Of course both country’s Army and Media will have their own narratives.

But it doesn’t help your cause when you say that there are no terrorist launch pads inside Pakistan and at the same time provide safe heavens to the likes of Masood azhar, Hafeez saeed, Salahuddin, OBL , Dawood etc. The credibility goes for a toss.
 
Mesozoic said:
Whole world knows who the liars are after the whole OBL thing. Talk about people living in glass houses.
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If I had to draw a graph about which nation still talks about OBL, 99% of the people on that graph would come from India, and the rest from other nations. White house has said multiple times Pakistan was not hiding OBL or anything as such. Now you can keep your "whole world knows" theory to yourself.
 
King-Misbah said:
Why was Modi banned from America? End of the day, money talks. Can you please shed some light on the Spicejet plane?!?! Cheers
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Because the State Department invoked a U.S. law passed in 1998 that makes foreign officials responsible for violations of religious freedom ineligible for visas.

The incident happened in the state where he was CM. As a CM it was his responsibility to stop the riots. After years of investigation no links could be found of Modi’s involvements in the riots and he was acquitted by the courts.

Now can you please tell us- what UN designated terrorists doing in Pakistan?
 
ahsan17 said:
Notice the tone in the post. He is post would suggest Pakistan is financing terror. That's misrepresenting facts.
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I am giving you here the opportunity to counter his misrepresentation of the facts. Pakistan isn't in the list without any reason. I believe you will also agree to that. What are these actual reasons?
 
Babu Bhaiya said:
Of course both country’s Army and Media will have their own narratives.

But it doesn’t help your cause when you say that there are no terrorist launch pads inside Pakistan and at the same time provide safe heavens to the likes of Masood azhar, Hafeez saeed, Salahuddin, OBL , Dawood etc. The credibility goes for a toss.
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What tosses credibility in a more profound and direct way is when a nation claims they have attacked a "terror camp" and killed 300+ people, when satellite images from independent sources show the building was untouched. When they claim they shot down F-16 but which has also been debunked. And more importantly, their election campaign was based around these lies. i.e. these were one and done with, these lies were perpetuated for months until the election. That is a much bigger blot on credibility, especially since this is much more recent.
 
Itachi said:
I am giving you here the opportunity to counter his misrepresentation of the facts. Pakistan isn't in the list without any reason. I believe you will also agree to that. What are these actual reasons?
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I don't see the relevance to my point. He misrepresented facts, and I told you why he misrepresented facts, and now you are asking me to counter his misrepresentation, when I already did in the post you are quoting.
 
ahsan17 said:
If I had to draw a graph about which nation still talks about OBL, 99% of the people on that graph would come from India, and the rest from other nations. White house has said multiple times Pakistan was not hiding OBL or anything as such. Now you can keep your "whole world knows" theory to yourself.
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Now Thats a news!!! IIRC all the officials including your current PM were whining after OBL was killed because Pakistan wasn’t kept in the loop during entire operation.
 
ahsan17 said:
If I had to draw a graph about which nation still talks about OBL, 99% of the people on that graph would come from India, and the rest from other nations. White house has said multiple times Pakistan was not hiding OBL or anything as such. Now you can keep your "whole world knows" theory to yourself.
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Yes. Pakistan was not hiding OBL.

So , do you accept/believe that Pakistan's inteligence is so incompetent that they could not know the location of world's most wanted terrorist hiding in an open compound a mile away from military base ?
 
Pakistan must give up financing of terrorism : FATF

If it does not then Asian block has the right to target terrorist camps.

Please be responsible and stop these shady activities.

You have been warned
 
ahsan17 said:
What tosses credibility in a more profound and direct way is when a nation claims they have attacked a "terror camp" and killed 300+ people, when satellite images from independent sources show the building was untouched. When they claim they shot down F-16 but which has also been debunked. And more importantly, their election campaign was based around these lies. i.e. these were one and done with, these lies were perpetuated for months until the election. That is a much bigger blot on credibility, especially since this is much more recent.
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Already asked this to another poster but here we go again- can you please enlighten us- what UN designated terrorists doing in Pakistan?
 
Babu Bhaiya said:
Now Thats a news!!! IIRC all the officials including your current PM were whining after OBL was killed because Pakistan wasn’t kept in the loop during entire operation.
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And how does that matter in the context of what was being discussed?

Mesozoic said:
Yes. Pakistan was not hiding OBL.

So , do you accept/believe that Pakistan's inteligence is so incompetent that they could not know the location of world's most wanted terrorist hiding in an open compound a mile away from military base ?
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Yes, Pakistan's intelligence was incompetent. More important, white house has said on multiple occasions that Pakistan did not intentionally hide OBL. That should put an end to the conspiracy theories.
 
Babu Bhaiya said:
Already asked this to another poster but here we go again- can you please enlighten us- what UN designated terrorists doing in Pakistan?
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And the relevance of this to my post? You were questioning Pakistan's credibility, I was saying India doesn't have much more credibility especially in the recent past.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Pakistan must give up financing of terrorism : FATF

If it does not then Asian block has the right to target terrorist camps.

Please be responsible and stop these shady activities.

You have been warned
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Warned?

We will shoot our helicopters down if you don't.
 
Itachi said:
And the facts are....


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Circling back to the OP, let me put it this way. The claim that Pakistan does not have terror launch pad is doubtful. However, equally doubtful is that someone would put "terror camps" within this range. On top of that, the lies that India perpetuated on the so-called Balakot surgical strikes (also the Uri strikes) would make anyone reasonable firmly doubt these claims of striking "terror camps". These lies are coming thick and fast with the Modi government.

If someone wants to argue that Balakot or Uri strikes were real, I have no interest in arguing with that beyond pointing them to impartial sources that generally treat Pakistan worse than India. But if you reasonably believe that these were not real, that should also cause you to at least put some doubt into the claims being made today.
 
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Indian army attacks Pakistan territory and we are discussing FATF? whats the connection?
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Pakistan must give up financing of terrorism : FATF

If it does not then Asian block has the right to target terrorist camps.

Please be responsible and stop these shady activities.

You have been warned
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Since when did FATF claim Pakistan is financing terrorism?
 
This thread is like going back and forth with historic facts from Modi to OBL and what not.

No one is talking about the real OP here where Indian army is attacking posts outside its territory. I said similar things during the Feb intervention as well, on Kashmir issue as well and now too i.e. India is not on the same level as US, Russia, China, etc. It cannot go outside of its jurisdiction and not expect any sort of retaliation.

Pakistan should keep doing what it has been doing which is to attract as much as international action to these situations as much as possible. Bring out the facts of Spice Jet airline on an international channel and present the facts of recent charge as well. Pakistan should outlay these facts to international media outlets while still voicing and reminding the world that curfew in Kashmir is still going of and show then the damn clock.
 
It's hilarious to see Indians here supporting cross border firing and they're using "we're only targeting terrorists" as an excuse but these are the same people who are criticising Turkey for doing the same thing

Hypocrites
 
Cypher said:
It's hilarious to see Indians here supporting cross border firing and they're using "we're only targeting terrorists" as an excuse but these are the same people who are criticising Turkey for doing the same thing

Hypocrites
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isn't it also hillarious when pakistan cries about muslims in kashmir while remains silent when the same subject with respect to china occurs? Aren't you behaving the same as the people that you are accusing of hypocrisy?
 
I’m not an expert on FATF, but most likely the reason why Pakistan is on the list is not because they claim Pakistan is financing terrorists but rather because Pakistan has weak controls in place to prevent money laundering and terrorist financing. Pakistan was supposed to implement 40 recommendations to strengthen controls but it hasn’t fully implemented these, hence why I think (I may be wrong here) they are on the list.
 
Itachi said:
isn't it also hillarious when pakistan cries about muslims in kashmir while remains silent when the same subject with respect to china occurs? Aren't you behaving the same as the people that you are accusing of hypocrisy?
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I have said this before and will say it again, everyone is a hypocrite.
 
Itachi said:
isn't it also hillarious when pakistan cries about muslims in kashmir while remains silent when the same subject with respect to china occurs? Aren't you behaving the same as the people that you are accusing of hypocrisy?
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Pakistan "cries" about the PEOPLE in Kashmir who are being oppressed not just muslims. Kashmir is a DISPUTED territory so what happens there affects us. What happens in China doesn't affect us in any way. It's not our problem because China's people are it's own and they don't live in a disputed region. We can only condemn what china is doing nothing more.
You can't compare Kashmirs with the Uighurs
That's like comparing oranges with apples.
 
Patriot said:
I’m not an expert on FATF, but most likely the reason why Pakistan is on the list is not because they claim Pakistan is financing terrorists but rather because Pakistan has weak controls in place to prevent money laundering and terrorist financing. Pakistan was supposed to implement 40 recommendations to strengthen controls but it hasn’t fully implemented these, hence why I think (I may be wrong here) they are on the list.
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Bingo. That's what I was saying when I said Indians in this thread are misrepresenting facts. They were making it appear that FATF has grey listed Pakistan for financing terror directly.
 
MenInG said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Indian Army struggling to pick dead bodies and evacuate injured soldiers. Indian Army raising white flag. This they should think before initiating unprovoked CFVs and respect military norms by avoiding to target innocent civilians.</p>— DG ISPR (@OfficialDGISPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/status/1185836163690647552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 20, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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They should think before doing something crazy. They got the reply which they deserved.
 
Extremist RSS members trying to deflect again.

It’s actually disgusting.
 
Cypher said:
Pakistan "cries" about the PEOPLE in Kashmir who are being oppressed not just muslims.
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From Al Jazeera interview with IK,

"Eight million Muslims in Kashmir are under siege for almost now six weeks. And why this can become a flashpoint between India and Pakistan is because what we already know India is trying to do is divert attention from their illegal annexation and their impending genocide on Kashmir. They are taking the attention away by blaming Pakistan for terrorism."

statement from IK disagrees with your claim.

Cypher said:
Kashmir is a DISPUTED territory so what happens there affects us. What happens in China doesn't affect us in any way. It's not our problem because China's people are it's own and they don't live in a disputed region. We can only condemn what china is doing nothing more.
You can't compare Kashmirs with the Uighurs
That's like comparing oranges with apples.
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Based upon statement by IK, do you agree that there is different level of priority towards muslims depending upon geo location?
 
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Itachi said:
From Al Jazeera interview with IK,

"Eight million Muslims in Kashmir are under siege for almost now six weeks. And why this can become a flashpoint between India and Pakistan is because what we already know India is trying to do is divert attention from their illegal annexation and their impending genocide on Kashmir. They are taking the attention away by blaming Pakistan for terrorism."

statement from IK disagrees with your claim.



Based upon statement by IK, do you agree that there is different level of priority towards muslims depending upon geo location?
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It's not about the religion.
If it were Christians/Dalits being oppressed then he would have spoken against that too. He actually does.
In this case, it's muslims being oppressed. In another case it may be dalits being oppressed.
He would still call them out.

As for the location, it goes without saying that for us, the Kashmir situation is more important than the Uighurs. There's nothing wrong with that
 
Muddaser said:
More like diplomatic immunity.

Amazing to see Indians vote someone in power with such a tainted history.
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Modi was not PM in 2013. US ambassador to India and UK parliamenterians met him then and invited him.

Once he was cleared of any charges, there were no issues.

Amusing how pakistanis think someone who is acquitted is tainted, while UN terrorists are free in pakistan.
 
Patriot said:
I’m not an expert on FATF, but most likely the reason why Pakistan is on the list is not because they claim Pakistan is financing terrorists but rather because Pakistan has weak controls in place to prevent money laundering and terrorist financing. Pakistan was supposed to implement 40 recommendations to strengthen controls but it hasn’t fully implemented these, hence why I think (I may be wrong here) they are on the list.
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Of the 40 recommendations, the report said, Pakistan fully complied with only one, largely complied with nine, partially complied with 26, and totally missed four parameters, which were mandatory if Islamabad wanted to be removed from the gray list.

It said Pakistan should adequately identify, assess and understand risks associated with militant groups operating in Pakistan such as Islamic State group, al-Qaeda, Jamat-ud-Dawa (JuD), Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM), which continue to raise funds openly.

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2019/10/18/world/asia/18reuters-fatf-pakistan.html
 
cricketjoshila said:
Modi was not PM in 2013. US ambassador to India and UK parliamenterians met him then and invited him.

Once he was cleared of any charges, there were no issues.

Amusing how pakistanis think someone who is acquitted is tainted, while UN terrorists are free in pakistan.
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We dont vote them in power.

Hafiz Saeed didnt win a single seat in elections.

You have voted one in for his second term not to forget his minions.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Of the 40 recommendations, the report said, Pakistan fully complied with only one, largely complied with nine, partially complied with 26, and totally missed four parameters, which were mandatory if Islamabad wanted to be removed from the gray list.

It said Pakistan should adequately identify, assess and understand risks associated with militant groups operating in Pakistan such as Islamic State group, al-Qaeda, Jamat-ud-Dawa (JuD), Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM), which continue to raise funds openly.

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2019/10/18/world/asia/18reuters-fatf-pakistan.html
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Which is what I have said, that Pakistan did not implement the recommendations. It doesn’t say that the Pakistani establishment is financing terrorist groups. If they had evidence of that, it would be all over the news and the repercussions would be a lot more severe.
 
Whenever it is election season in India these kind of things will happen.
Amazed at the gullible Indians who continue to fall for this.
Sadly a number of civilians were murdered as a result and both the Indian government and its population are seemingly immune to this suffering.
 
The DG ISPR account keeps misleading people of Pakistan and creates a different narrative. Indian army does not resort to this and are being professional.
After all I guess DG ISPR makes movies as seen by recent film productions in Pakistan, so cant say what he is up to.
 
Muddaser said:
We dont vote them in power.

Hafiz Saeed didnt win a single seat in elections.

You have voted one in for his second term not to forget his minions.
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But UN didn't said anyone in India as a terrorist. It's opposite. Pakistan has many UN designated terrorists living there. And they are global terrorists such as osma bin Laden lived there etc
 
the airplane yesterday and this today, is this all a coincidence?

some indian posters in this forum have no shame.
 
Indians celebrating killing civilians shows their mentality.

And first all India media, Army and Ministers need to sit together and come up with same story of their lies.
Some saying Pakistan violated ceasefire so IA responded. Some saying it was planned surgical strike. Some saying PA was pushing terrorists into IOK.
And keep dreaming about Terror camps or Pads. All complete lie. I am from Azad Kashmir and have got relatives living near Neelum Valley and few who died they knew them. And they told that IA was blindly firing anywhere and on civilian populations. You kill civilians and then call them terrorists. IA should be ashamed of themselves for targeting civilians.
 
globalcitizen said:
The DG ISPR account keeps misleading people of Pakistan and creates a different narrative. Indian army does not resort to this and are being professional.
After all I guess DG ISPR makes movies as seen by recent film productions in Pakistan, so cant say what he is up to.
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The reports from local media, statements from local government and police officials and more importantly local residents paint a different picture of the ‘professional Indian army’.
Of course all of this must be fictional including all the names of the casualties??
 
Akki malhotra said:
But UN didn't said anyone in India as a terrorist. It's opposite. Pakistan has many UN designated terrorists living there. And they are global terrorists such as osma bin Laden lived there etc
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Sorry are you referring to US Assets?
Also for the sake of clarity, what is the correlation between OBL being found in Pakistan, and allegedly with Pakistan knowing, and the 70,000 plus people that have been killed in Pakistan due to the war on terror?

Also, for the sake of continuing any discussion, please can you confirm that you are not an RSS supporter which also means a Modi supporter?
 
globalcitizen said:
The DG ISPR account keeps misleading people of Pakistan and creates a different narrative. Indian army does not resort to this and are being professional.
After all I guess DG ISPR makes movies as seen by recent film productions in Pakistan, so cant say what he is up to.
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Ah yes, the Indian army is the only army on the planet that is beyond reproach. I mean US soldiers, etc. have been found committing atrocities like Abu Gharib, etc. But Indian soldiers are unique and the way they have handled Kashmir should be studied as best practice. There is so much information out there on how to deal with change, such as dialogue, empowerment, etc. and the Indian military has used all of this when dealing with Kashmir. /sarcasm over

Lol you are delusional. No military is beyond reproach, they are all a bunch of *****. And whether you think Kashmir is an internal issue or not, one thing no one can argue against is that Kashmir is one of the worst examples of how not to handle a situation. It should be studied for all time as one of the worst examples in recent history.
 
This is the highest number of civilian casualties in a day in 2019

What will Pakistan do now?
 
Has India gone mad? Shelling Pakistani territory is a blunder as Pakistan is a nuclear state.

It seems like India wants a war badly.
 
Mesozoic said:
Look at the contrast between NDTV and DAWN reports. I've always maintained that in matters like these , truth is always somewhere in the middle.

By "matters like these" , I mean situations where two parties of opposite atances try to push an agenda too deep for their convenience. But the truth will be between those lines .

In this case, there might been a few terror launchpads attacked by the IA which may have resulted in a few civilian deaths as collateral damage.
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Get your facts straight!! There are no terror launchpads and we have killed 9 of your soldiers in response to indian army crossfire violations with many injured.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Modi was not PM in 2013. US ambassador to India and UK parliamenterians met him then and invited him.

Once he was cleared of any charges, there were no issues.

Amusing how pakistanis think someone who is acquitted is tainted, while UN terrorists are free in pakistan.
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Coming from a guy whose country is ruled by hindu extremists and are have buried the so called secular india deep below the grave next to nehrus.
 
Pakistan rejects Indian claims about 'so-called launchpads' targeted along LoC

No surprise there. Both armies are stuck to their usual agenda. We, the gullible public of both the nations, would never know what has actually happened on the ground. I just pray it does not escalate to a direct military conflict.
 
Why would a Responsible government allow people live in war zones? You know there is shelling. You know people can die because of shelling. Instead of parading dead bodies after the fact, care for the people and relocate them. Yes, they belong to AJK and not Pakistan but the area is still governed by Pakistan. This is incompetency. Alternate theory is these are actually not your regular civilians but jihadis living in border areas and eventually finding their own ditch under that rubble. That's good for both Pak and India if they perish.
 
rhony said:
Why would a Responsible government allow people live in war zones? You know there is shelling. You know people can die because of shelling. Instead of parading dead bodies after the fact, care for the people and relocate them. Yes, they belong to AJK and not Pakistan but the area is still governed by Pakistan. This is incompetency. Alternate theory is these are actually not your regular civilians but jihadis living in border areas and eventually finding their own ditch under that rubble. That's good for both Pak and India if they perish.
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You need to shut your mouth. I am from Azad Kashmir and live about 50KM from the LOC. I have relatives who live in Tatta Pani sector which is next to LOC and where regular firing takes place. Don't your dare call us jihadis and terrorists just because we live on our own land. Why shall we relocate our lands for and go amd beg somewhere else.
You Indians are a disgrace killing civilian and then coming up with such crap. You should be ashamed of yourself.
 
rhony said:
Why would a Responsible government allow people live in war zones? You know there is shelling. You know people can die because of shelling. Instead of parading dead bodies after the fact, care for the people and relocate them. Yes, they belong to AJK and not Pakistan but the area is still governed by Pakistan. This is incompetency. Alternate theory is these are actually not your regular civilians but jihadis living in border areas and eventually finding their own ditch under that rubble. That's good for both Pak and India if they perish.
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*** are you even talking about??
You do realise that heavy artillery can go 30km into Pakistan's territory??? How are you supposed to relocate so many people??
If they think they're safe then they can relocate themselves but the fact is that they have their businesses there so it's not possible for them to relocate.
And why are you only mentioning Pakistan???
Why do IO kashmiris get killed in cross border firing too? Why doesn't the indian government relocate them??
Is india hiding terrorists too???
 
Mesozoic said:
The guy I quoted said Indians were proven liars whilst knowing his nation's infamous history of lying for which OBL incident remains a prime example.
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Lol and lol and again lol

Dude, you and your compadres like joshila still believe everything that RSS and BJP has said about feb 26th and 27th.

Lol

OBL is cute and over used defense by RSS and BJP supporters when exposed.

OBL has nothing to do with India or Kashmir.
 
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