Did Arsenal go overboard with their celebrations during/after their game against Liverpool?

[Cricket Warrior]

Arsenal: Martin Odegaard defends celebrations after Liverpool game

Martin Odegaard has defended Arsenal's celebrations after the 3-1 win against Premier League leaders Liverpool.

Gunners captain Odegaard was told to "get down the tunnel" by Sky Sports pundit Jamie Carragher after borrowing a camera from a club photographer to take pictures at full-time.

The win on Sunday put Arsenal two points behind Jurgen Klopp's side.

"If you're not allowed to celebrate when you win a game, when are you allowed to celebrate?" said Odegaard.

"We're happy with the win and we'll stay humble."

Goals from Bukayo Saka, Gabriel Martinelli and Leandro Trossard secured victory for Mikel Arteta's side and moved them above Manchester City into second.

Arteta celebrated the Martinelli and Trossard goals by sprinting animatedly down the touchline, before fist-pumping towards the jubilant supporters after the final whistle.

As Odegaard led the players' celebrations with the photographer's camera, former Liverpool defender Carragher, who was a co-commentator for the game, said: "Just get down the tunnel. You've won a game, three points, you've been brilliant.

"Back in the title race, get down the tunnel. I'm serious, honestly."

Former Manchester United defender and fellow Sky Sports pundit Gary Neville said there was a "little bit of immaturity" in Arsenal's celebrations and was reflective of a team that did not think they were going to go on and win the title.

Asked whether it is possible to over-celebrate such a win, Norway midfielder Odegaard added: "No, I think everyone who loves football, who understands football, they know how much it means to win this game.

"We keep working hard and we prepare for the next one, but of course you have to be happy when you win.

"It was a massive game. It could have been eight points [the gap to Liverpool if Arsenal lost] and it would look a lot more difficult then, but we showed up, the fans were unbelievable.

"I think we all did this together. You see the club, how together we are, all the players, staff, supporters, everything. So yeah, brilliant to see."

When are you allowed to celebrate? - Odegaard

Martin Odegaard defends Arsenal's celebrations after Sunday's 3-1 win over Premier League leaders Liverpool, saying: "If you're not allowed to celebrate when you win, when are you?"

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[Cricket Warrior]

Martin Odegaard has defended Arsenal's celebrations.

 

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[Mamoon]

Love how Arsenal have rattled the celebration police. They can’t take it.

Arteta and Arsenal need to continue and let these haters cry rivers.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Areteta didn't go over the top it was impulsive and raw emotion.

I didn't like Odegaards' celebrations. As the skipper he should have kept his head a bit more and told the boys the jobs not done yet, especially with what happened last season.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Love how Arsenal have rattled the celebration police. They can’t take it.

Arteta and Arsenal need to continue and let these haters cry rivers.

Exactly same overboard celebrations were done vs Bournemouth and villa last season. Then a certain got carried away and was left with rotten tomatoes and eggs on his face.

same players celebrating yesterday will go missing again end of march and onwards.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Areteta didn't go over the top it was impulsive and raw emotion.

I didn't like Odegaards' celebrations. As the skipper he should have kept his head a bit more and told the boys the jobs not done yet, especially with what happened last season.

Odegaard is more interested in hair flicks. Cheer leading and huddles all for the camera. Last season when pressure was on he dissapeard, just like when Arsenal bottled top 4.

You would see such behaviour from a Kenny sansom, Adams, Vieira etc..

Calm heads win you trophies and titles

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Odegaard is more interested in hair flicks. Cheer leading and huddles all for the camera. Last season when pressure was on he dissapeard, just like when Arsenal bottled top 4.

You would see such behaviour from a Kenny sansom, Adams, Vieira etc..

Calm heads win you trophies and titles

You are quite right, there was no chance any old school skipper would have acted this way.

It shows how out of touch the modern players are with fans at times.

 

[topspin]

I don't agree with the celebrations but Rio is a end. He needs to take a good look in the mirror before he starts calling others deluded:

 

[topspin]

I grew up watching us win the double in 2002 and become the invincibles two years later and like AJ said, you would never see the likes of Tony Adams, Patrick Vieira and etc celebrate like this in the middle of the season. Certainly not when you're sitting in 3rd in the league. It just reeks of small team mentality. It's time for Odegaard to be stripped of captaincy. We can't be led by some mental midget like him.

 

[topspin]

Love how Arsenal have rattled the celebration police. They can’t take it.

Arteta and Arsenal need to continue and let these haters cry rivers.

Continue with the cringefest? This is more cringeworthy than the some of stuff we've seen from the Pakistan team over the years.

 

[Rana]

Next home game against a lower league side and Arsenal can just shell it knowing their weird, up and down form.

Just stay humble, we are well away from winning the league at the moment

 

[Mamoon]

Continue with the cringefest? This is more cringeworthy than the some of stuff we've seen from the Pakistan team over the years.

When Arsenal win the league with Arteta, this season or whenever, the saltiness and the bitterness from Arsenal haters and Arteta haters (Arsenal fans) would be hilarious.

A lot of people will not be able to digest it and cope with it. It will make the success 10x more satisfying.

 

[Amjid Javed]

When Arsenal win the league with Arteta, this season or whenever, the saltiness and the bitterness from Arsenal haters and Arteta haters (Arsenal fans) would be hilarious.

A lot of people will not be able to digest it and cope with it. It will make the success 10x more satisfying.

So Arsenal are winning the league this season now are they?

Let me guess its already in the bag, looks like uve grown a pair finally.

Seems only thing to digest will be more rotten eggs and tomatoes over your face

 

[topspin]

When Arsenal win the league with Arteta, this season or whenever, the saltiness and the bitterness from Arsenal haters and Arteta haters (Arsenal fans) would be hilarious.

A lot of people will not be able to digest it and cope with it. It will make the success 10x more satisfying.

But if this was the Pakistan team doing all this sort of stuff after a game, you would be bashing them like there's no tomorrow.

 

[Mamoon]

So Arsenal are winning the league this season now are they?

Let me guess its already in the bag, looks like uve grown a pair finally.

Seems only thing to digest will be more rotten eggs and tomatoes over your face

I don’t know if Arsenal will win it this season or not, but they will be up there come MW 38 and there is plenty to play for still.

However, what I’m certain of is that Arsenal will eventually win the league under Arteta and people like you, who wrote him off, will be licking their wounds and be saltier than the Dead Sea.

 

[Amjid Javed]

But if this was the Pakistan team doing all this sort of stuff after a game, you would be bashing them like there's no tomorrow.

Glad your quick to point out the usual hypocrisy.

 

[Mamoon]

But if this was the Pakistan team doing all this sort of stuff after a game, you would be bashing them like there's no tomorrow.

But Pakistan is garbage with no talent. Arsenal is one of the top three teams in English football right now, competing for the PL title.

If Arsenal were languishing at 6th or 7th I would have a problem with these celebrations.

 

[Mamoon]

Glad you’re quick to point out the usual hypocrisy.

There is no hypocrisy. Just lack of understanding on your part.

How could you compare a rubbish team like Pakistan with current Arsenal is beyond me.

Current Pakistan is more worthy of being compared to Chelsea and United.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I don’t know if Arsenal will win it this season or not, but they will be up there come MW 38 and there is plenty to play for still.

However, what I’m certain of is that Arsenal will eventually win the league under Arteta and people like you, who wrote him off, will be licking their wounds and be saltier than the Dead Sea.

2 seconds of bravery and now going back to excuses.

You go on and about Arteta being best young manager etc.. but facts are you don't even have faith on him delivering.

One minute it's in the bag

Then it's he will win it in next 2/3 year

Then it's he will win it in next 4/5 years

 

[Amjid Javed]

But Pakistan is garbage with no talent. Arsenal is one of the top three teams in English football right now, competing for the PL title.

If Arsenal were languishing at 6th or 7th I would have a problem with these celebrations.

I though Arsenal were top 2 teams in PL according to you earlier in season, now its top 3.

But outside of top 2 is failure. The fact your continually moving goal posts is hilarious

 

[Mamoon]

2 seconds of bravery and now going back to excuses.

You go on and about Arteta being best young manager etc.. but facts are you don't even have faith on him delivering.

One minute it's in the bag

Then it's he will win it in next 2/3 year

Then it's he will win it in next 4/5 years

So I see that poor understanding of the English language is the problem here. Let me repeat what I said:

“When Arsenal win the league with Arteta, this season or whenever”

Please interpret this statement for me. What am I implying here?

 

[Mamoon]

I though Arsenal were top 2 teams in PL according to you earlier in season, now its top 3.

But outside of top 2 is failure. The fact your continually moving goal posts is hilarious

Outside of top two would be a disappointment for sure, but let’s not lose perspective of the fact that it would be a disappointment only because Arteta has raised the standards and expectations.

Arsenal fans would be thrilled with third in the last few years of Wenger and also during the Emery tenure. It is Arteta that has made Arsenal fans dream of the title again, something no Arsenal manager managed to do so in 15 years.

 

[topspin]

But Pakistan is garbage with no talent. Arsenal is one of the top three teams in English football right now, competing for the PL title.

If Arsenal were languishing at 6th or 7th I would have a problem with these celebrations.

Pakistan might be garbage but at least they can punch above their weight and win something major once every decade. They won 2 x major trophies (2009 and 2017) since the invincibles.

What major trophy has Arsenal won, since 2004, to warrant and justify such celebrations?

 

[Amjid Javed]

So I see that poor understanding of the English language is the problem here. Let me repeat what I said:

“When Arsenal win the league with Arteta, this season or whenever”

Please interpret this statement for me. What am I implying here? Sorry, I mean what I am trying to say. Implying might be too big a word for your vocab.

"Whenever"

Exactly proves my point, you can't put a time frame on it. Because you have zero faith.

That's like me saying I will win the lottery this year or whenever.

Like I said before uve invested so much time in over hyping mediocrity that it's now to late for you to turn back.

So spout all the vocab you want, facts are you don't even have confidence in what your saying.

I will tell you this season Arsenal are ending the season trophyless.

No if, buts or maybes or whatever or whenevers

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistan might be garbage but at least they can punch above their weight and win something major once every decade. They won 2 x major trophies (2009 and 2017) since the invincibles.

What major trophy has Arsenal won, since 2004, to warrant and justify such celebrations?

The World T20 (in 2009, not now) and the Champions Trophy are equivalent to winning the league cup.

Arsenal with all their FA Cups in the previous decade have achieved a lot more than Pakistan cricket.

 

[Mamoon]

"Whenever"

Exactly proves my point, you can't put a time frame on it. Because you have zero faith.

That's like me saying I will win the lottery this year or whenever.

Like I said before uve invested so much time in over hyping mediocrity that it's now to late for you to turn back.

So spout all the vocab you want, facts are you don't even have confidence in what your saying.

I will tell you this season Arsenal are ending the season trophyless.

No if, buts or maybes or whatever or whenevers

So you still don’t understand English. Alright then. I will try to dumb it down further in my future posts but I can’t promise if I’ll be successful.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Outside of top two would be a disappointment for sure, but let’s not lose perspective of the fact that it would be a disappointment only because Arteta has raised the standards and expectations.

Arsenal fans would be thrilled with third in the last few years of Wenger and also during the Emery tenure. It is Arteta that has made Arsenal fans dream of the title again, something no Arsenal manager managed to do so in 15 years.

A Trophyless season (4th in a row is failure)

No one cares about 2nd or 3rd place etc.. nor would fan be thrilled with that unless they are like some of the losers in this thread who are happy winning nothing.

You think anyone is going to look back in 10 or 20 years and say "oh do your remember those 4 or 5 seasons we went trophyless under Arteta" give your a head a wobble

 

[Mamoon]

A Trophyless season (4th in a row is failure)

No one cares about 2nd or 3rd place etc.. nor would fan be thrilled with that unless they are like some of the losers in this thread who are happy winning nothing.

You think anyone is going to look back in 10 or 20 years and say "oh do your remember those 4 or 5 seasons we went trophyless under Arteta" give your a head a wobble

There is no shame in having a trophy-less season if that you have challenged for the title. It shows the strength of the team and that it is trending in the right direction.

What is shameful is not fighting for the title and pretending that you have had a good season because you picked up an FA Cup or a League Cup.

Arsenal won 4 Cups in 6 years. Please tell me what did it do for the club? Do you look back at the 2014-2020 period and think Arsenal were successful?

That answers your own question. An FA Cup/League Cup win without an accompanying title challenge means absolutely nothing.

 

[Amjid Javed]

So you still don’t understand English. Alright then. I will try to dumb it down further in my future posts but I can’t promise if I’ll be successful.

Let me simplify it for you, Arsenal are never winning the PL or CL titles with Arteta. He is the Spanish Brendon Rogers and just like Rogers got found out after bottling the league, same is happening with Arteta.

It's hilarious how you disregarded the league cup, FA cup etc as meaningless and then think Arteta is going to win the other 2 when he's shown zero ability to handle end of season pressure and Bern humilated in Europe in 3 different seasons already

 

[Mamoon]

Let me kill this argument once and for all.

Arsenal won an FA Cup in the following seasons:

2013-14
2014-15
2016-17
2019-20

Yet, 2022-23 was by far a better season than all of them even though Arsenal didn’t win a trophy. Why? Simply because Arsenal fought for the title.

End of discussion.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Absolutely. I could understand if it was five games from end of the season and Arsenal were in a title winning position.

But all this boils down to Arteta and the players craving for success which they have clearly lacked,hence this over reaction.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Let me kill this argument once and for all.

Arsenal won an FA Cup in the following seasons:

2013-14
2014-15
2016-17
2019-20

Yet, 2022-23 was by far a better season than all of them even though Arsenal didn’t win a trophy. Why? Simply because Arsenal fought for the title.

End of discussion.

But bottled it in the home stretch against the likes of Southampton, Bournemouth, and Brighton

 

[Mamoon]

But bottled it in the home stretch against the likes of Southampton, Bournemouth, and Brighton

Still a better season than the FA Cup winning ones because Arsenal didn’t compete for the title.

 

[Mamoon]

Absolutely. I could understand if it was five games from end of the season and Arsenal were in a title winning position.

But all this boils down to Arteta and the players craving for success which they have clearly lacked,hence this over reaction.

Yes Arteta and Arsenal crave success. They are desperate to win. They have the passion and the hunger and this is what the club needed.

Let the haters cry.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Yes Arteta and Arsenal crave success. They are desperate to win. They have the passion and the hunger and this is what the club needed.

Let the haters cry.

Your missing the point. Had they had any success, this over reaction would be non existent.

 

[Mamoon]

You’re missing the point. Had they had any success, this over reaction would be non existent.

I am not missing the point. I ignored it

It is only the second season where Arteta have had a squad capable of fighting for the title.

Ergo, it is too early to talk about lack of success. It will be a valid point if Arsenal haven’t won the league 2-3 seasons from now.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Only winning the title

I am not missing the point.

It is only the second season where Arteta have had a squad capable of fighting for the title.

Ergo, it is too early to talk about lack of success. It will be a valid point if Arsenal haven’t won the league 2-3 seasons from now.

You can write this season off, city juggernaut gaining momentum[/QUOTE]

 

[Mamoon]

Only winning the title

You can write this season off, city juggernaut gaining momentum

You can meat-ride the cheats with 115 charges, I will continue to support my team.

 

[Mamoon]

We have to understand that the celebration was not the problem; the problem was that Arsenal outclassing Liverpool was not part of the hater’s script and not part of the narrative that they were building.

They were ready to mock Arsenal for showing weak mentality, for letting the title race slip, for having the lead extend to 8 points etc., but Arsenal proved them wrong and they cannot digest it.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Let me kill this argument once and for all.

Arsenal won an FA Cup in the following seasons:

2013-14
2014-15
2016-17
2019-20

Yet, 2022-23 was by far a better season than all of them even though Arsenal didn’t win a trophy. Why? Simply because Arsenal fought for the title.

End of discussion.

by your logic, every season Arsenal won a trophy and didn't compete for title is less significant then a season where they bottled the league.

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[Mamoon]

you really are talking out of your backside now. So by your dumb logic, every season Arsenal won a trophy and didn't compete for title is less significant then a season where they bottled the league.

@topspin @MK7Z @KingKhanWC @Technics 1210

Check this latest nonsense out

Not sure why you have to tag your friends for support when you can’t handle the debate on your own.

You read that right. This applies not only to Arsenal but to the other Big Six too.

A season where you compete for the title but don’t win anything is better than a season where you don’t compete for the title but pick up a domestic cup.

Let me give you another example to drive home the point: United failed to fight for the title last season but won the League Cup.

Was 2022/23 a better season for United than, let’s say, 2011/12 where they didn’t win any trophy but mounted a serious title challenge?

Of course not. Every single United fan would take 2011/12 over 2022/23 every single day of the week.

Liverpool lost the title by a whisker in 2018-19 after bottling a 10 point lead in the last 3 months. In spite of that, it would have ranked as one of their better seasons even if they didn’t win the UCL that year.

For the Big Six clubs, challenging for the title is everything. It is a power statement. It shows that the club is heading in the right direction. It shows that the manager is doing a good job and it projects optimism for the future.

Picking up a domestic cup after getting battered & bruised in the league is not a successful season.

By your criteria, United had a successful season last year but if Ten Hag produces the exact same season again, he will be gone.

Winning an FA Cup/League Cup but not fighting for the league does absolutely nothing for the club and is a failed season. Arsenal won 4 FA Cups in a 6 year period but no Arsenal fan would look back at that period and deem it a success. Why? Simply because Arsenal failed to fight for the title in this period.

2022/23 was Arsenal’s best season by a mile since 2007-2008, which was the last time Arsenal properly challenged for the title.

A pseudo title challenge fell in their lap in 2015-2016 but Wenger failed to compete with Leicester and that season confirmed the belief that Wenger was finished and Arsenal needed new direction.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Not sure why you have to tag your friends for support when you can’t handle the debate on your own.

You read that right. This applies not only to Arsenal but to the other Big Six too.

A season where you compete for the title but don’t win anything is better than a season where you don’t compete for the title but pick up a domestic cup.

Let me give you another example to drive home the point: United failed to fight for the title last season but won the League Cup.

Was 2022/23 a better season for United than, let’s say, 2011/12 where they didn’t win any trophy but mounted a serious title challenge?

Of course not. Every single United fan would take 2011/12 over 2022/23 every single day of the week.

Liverpool lost the title by a whisker in 2018-19 after bottling a 10 point lead in the last 3 months. In spite of that, it would have ranked as one of their better seasons even if they didn’t win the UCL that year.

For the Big Six clubs, challenging for the title is everything. It is a power statement. It shows that the club is heading in the right direction. It shows that the manager is doing a good job and it projects optimism for the future.

Picking up a domestic cup after getting battered & bruised in the league is not a successful season.

By your criteria, United had a successful season last year but if Ten Hag produces the exact same season again, he will be gone.

Winning an FA Cup/League Cup but not fighting for the league does absolutely nothing for the club and is a failed season. Arsenal won 4 FA Cups in a 6 year period but no Arsenal fan would look back at that period and deem it a success. Why? Simply because Arsenal failed to fight for the title in this period.

2022/23 was Arsenal’s best season by a mile since 2007-2008, which was the last time Arsenal properly challenged for the title.

A pseudo title challenge fell in their lap in 2015-2016 but Wenger failed to compete with Leicester and that season confirmed the belief that Wenger was finished and Arsenal needed new direction.

No one cares about 2nd place, 3rd place etc.. fans at big clubs care about trophies won

Like I said again your logic is hilarious.

So according to your dumb logic again

Arsenal winning FA cup and league Cup double in 1993 where they finished in bottom half of table is significantly less of an achievement than bottling a league title.

The Cup winners cup win in 94 is irrelevant as well as club werent in a title race.

Might as well say loads of trophies Arsenal have won are irrelevant but your dumb logic.

All this nonsense to validate your Arteta fetish to make out as though his bottling achievement are better then winning trophies.

You literally are rambling same Julian and Robbie were on AFTV at weekend.

 

[Mamoon]

No one cares about 2nd place, 3rd place etc.. fans at big clubs care about trophies won

Domestic cup mean absolutely nothing when you fail to compete for the title. These cups are only relevant in the context of your league performance.

I ask you again - what did 4 FA Cups in 6 years with just 1 half-baked title challenge do for Arsenal? Do you look at that period as a success?

What did winning the League Cup but failing to fight for the title do for United last season? Where there fans happy?

Since as per you, big clubs only care about winning trophies, do you think Ten Hag can stay in the job for long if he continues to win domestic cups but fails to challenge for the title?

Do you think United last season had a better season than they did in 2011-12?

You already know the answer to these questions, and those answers kill your own argument that challenging for the title is not more significant than FA Cup/League Cup.

Like I said again your logic is hilarious.

So according to your dumb logic again

Arsenal winning FA cup and league Cup double in 1993 where they finished in bottom half of table is significantly less of an achievement than bottling a league title.

Absolutely. Arsenal finished 10 in 1992-93 which is awful. No serious fan would have been happy with that season in spite of winning the domestic cups.

Your position in the league is a more accurate reflection of your season and your strength as a team than your performance in domestic cups.

You can have a bad season and still win a domestic cup because it is a knockout competition and anything can happen, but you have to be a really good team to fight for the title.

Arsenal won the FA Cup in 2020 when the team was in no shape and form capable of fighting for the title.

The Cup winners cup win in 94 is irrelevant as well as club werent in a title race.

Might as well say loads of trophies Arsenal have won are irrelevant but your dumb logic.

All this nonsense to validate your Arteta fetish to make out as though his bottling achievement are better then winning trophies.

You literally are rambling same Julian and Robbie were on AFTV at weekend.

Do you think 2019/20 was a better season for Arsenal than 2022/23? Was that Arsenal team superior? Was Arsenal fans happier?

If you really think that finishing 8th in the league and winning an FA Cup is a better season than finishing 2nd and not winning a Cup, you clearly have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and are talking absolute nonsense.

That is absolute drivel - winning domestic cups does absolutely nothing for a club that should be fighting for the league title.

These Cups have relevance for small clubs that do not have the resources to fight for the title. For example, Portsmouth in 2008.

For the big clubs, these clubs are cherry on top. For example, the FA Cup had value for City last season because it helped them complete the treble.

If you are fighting for the league title or are winning the league, you would want to win these cups because it will make your season even better, but if you are floundering in the league, these cups will do absolutely nothing to make your season better.

A big club that fails to fight for the title but wins a domestic cup still has to spend big money in the summer because they are aware that they are still far off competing for the title. The fans will still be unhappy because ultimately, competing for the league title is what matters at the end of the day.

A big club has to fight for the title every season. They have to start every season with the objective to win the league. Struggling in the league and winning a domestic cup is not the ambition of any big club.

In conclusion, FA Cup/League Cup ONLY matter depending on what you have done in the league that season.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

You can meat-ride the cheats with 115 charges, I will continue to support my team.

Nothing wrong with supporting them. You just need to climb back down from cloud cookoo Land .

 

[Mamoon]

Nothing wrong with supporting them. You just need to climb back down from cloud cookoo Land .

No one’s on cloud cuckoo land. As I said, the problem is not the celebrations but the fact that people didn’t expect Arsenal to own Liverpool in such a high pressure game.

It was not part of the nonsense narrative that they were building and hence the frustration.

 

[Mamoon]

you've lost the plot, go join AFTV and join Julian, TY or other losers online like egal or daud on football terrace, as you fall into that deluded loser category

No answer as expected. You clearly failed - with flying colors - to address the points I raised.

 

[Amjid Javed]

No answer as expected. You clearly failed - with flying colors - to address the points I raised.

There is nothing to address, it's usual copy any paste nonsense.

let's deal with facts Arsenal under Arteta have been in 1 title race, yet your trying to justify all the cup failures as not important to prove your lame weak argument. You think anyone is going to look back in 10 years and go "oh do you remember Artetas 5 years in a row at Arsenal where he won nothing"

To devalue Arsenal's past cup wins is hilarious. You did the same thing with wengers achievements on another thread as well all because of your loser obsession on Arteta.

If you think any Arsenal fan growing up did value the Cup double over sheff wed, or Arsenal last european trophy win and would swap it for a bottled title race then your even more deluded then normal.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

No one’s on cloud cuckoo land. As I said, the problem is not the celebrations but the fact that people didn’t expect Arsenal to own Liverpool in such a high pressure game.

It was not part of the nonsense narrative that they were building and hence the frustration.

Beating a fellow rival does not warrant a epic celebration.

Liverpool majority of the times beat City at Anfield, yet they keep things in perspective. Knowing that city will come back hard.

With Arsenal other day. The vibes were as if how have we beaten our fellow rivals .

That shows to me Arteta is mentally very weak.

 

[topspin]

Beating a fellow rival does not warrant a epic celebration.

Liverpool majority of the times beat City at Anfield, yet they keep things in perspective. Knowing that city will come back hard.

With Arsenal other day. The vibes were as if how have we beaten our fellow rivals .

That shows to me Arteta is mentally very weak.

Couldn't have said it better.

The excessive manner in which Arsenal celebrated epitomises the weak mentality in the Arsenal team. Arteta is indeed a major reason for this. He's the one who opted for Odegaard to be his captain and he's got a substandard mental midget in Zinchenko, who's part of the leadership group.

Odegaard must be stripped of the captaincy with Rice given the honours. The leadership group should consist of Rice, Saliba and Saka instead of the two most prominent mental midgets in the side.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Beating a fellow rival does not warrant a epic celebration.

Liverpool majority of the times beat City at Anfield, yet they keep things in perspective. Knowing that city will come back hard.

With Arsenal other day. The vibes were as if how have we beaten our fellow rivals .

That shows to me Arteta is mentally very weak.

Spurs have beat Man city at home every PL game at the their new stadium and you don't see wild celebrations.

Your Liverpool anfield vs City example is another.

Everything is done for cameras and for attention.

If we now drop points or lose to West ham next week, all this over celebrating will look very silly.

We saw over celebrating last season after villa and Bournemouth games, this club never learns.

 

[MK7Z]

I think to be honest the bit with the Photographer was a bit much however I guess he was just having a moment with him to enjoy the jubilation. Leave them to it. If you don't like it turn the channel.

As for any of the other celebrations.... nothing wrong with them at all. I don't mind it. Enjoy the moments. But use them as motivation that if this is how it feels to beat a title rival imagine what the streets of London will be like if we lift the trophy!

Now I can reel of lots of examples of other teams celebrating just as much. Klopp has done it throughout his tenure. VS Norwich when they were rubbish in his early days when he broke his glasses.

He did it against Everton when he ran to the center circle.

Just last season he did his hamstring while celebrating against Spurs when they were not even challenging for anything
Then there is the famous 1-1 celebration vs WBA I think.

Its not just Klopp. DeZerbi is always at it. He did it at the Emirates last season and also this season to.

Arteta does seem to be under the spotlight for his celebrations a bit more than others. I think Carra was just bitter yesterday. I mean the guy was partying with Brentford fans in their 1st game back in the PL when they beat us.

I don't recall anybody criticizing Spurs Celebrations this season when they beat 9 man Liverpool via a own goal with the last kick of the game. The were dancing doing the hand in hand celebration where they line up. I think some even bought their kids on the pitch. Where was the outrage then?

Just enjoy the wins but then get straight back and focus.

And if you don't like the celebrations, turn the other way or change the channel. Its simple

 

[MenInG]

This is for those begrudging Arsenal celebrations

https://twitter.com/x/status/1754214521579655610

 

[Mamoon]

Beating a fellow rival does not warrant a epic celebration.

Liverpool majority of the times beat City at Anfield, yet they keep things in perspective. Knowing that city will come back hard.

With Arsenal other day. The vibes were as if how have we beaten our fellow rivals .

That shows to me Arteta is mentally very weak.

Nothing to do with rivalry and all that. It is not that hard. This was a must win game for Arsenal to stay in the title race. Liverpool would have been 8 points clear had they won, so it was a huge result and there was absolutely nothing wrong with celebrating it.

Arteta doesn’t need mental strength certifications and approval from you.

Also, I suppose Klopp must be mentally weak too because he celebrated harder than this when Liverpool would go from 7th to 6th in the table in 2016.

 

[Mamoon]

@topspin @Amjid Javed

Please define the parameters of celebrations. What is acceptable and what is not, since you and a few others are experts in this field. Also, accompany your parameters with explanations and justifications too.

Were fist bumps allowed? If Arteta was allowed to run after the Trossard goal, how far should he have gone to ensure that the celebration is not too wild.

If Odegaard took the photographer’s picture, what is wrong with that and under what circumstances should it be allowed.

Please write an instruction manual and email it to Arsenal.

 

[Mamoon]

Spurs have beat Man city at home every PL game at the their new stadium and you don't see wild celebrations.

Your Liverpool anfield vs City example is another.

Everything is done for cameras and for attention.

If we now drop points or lose to West ham next week, all this over celebrating will look very silly.

We saw over celebrating last season after villa and Bournemouth games, this club never learns.

Your prayers to see Arsenal lose to Liverpool were not answered. Let’s see if your prayers are answered against West Ham.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Your prayers to see Arsenal lose to Liverpool were not answered. Let’s see if your prayers are answered against West Ham.

only prayers being said are you hoping you don't have to write an apology at end of the season.

I expect 1000 word sincere and genuine apology at end of the season.

 

[Mamoon]

@topspin @Amjid Javed

Please define the parameters of celebrations. What is acceptable and what is not, since you and a few others are experts in this field. Also, accompany your parameters with explanations and justifications too.

Were fist bumps allowed? If Arteta was allowed to run after the Trossard goal, how far should he have gone to ensure that the celebration is not too wild.

If Odegaard took the photographer’s picture, what is wrong with that and under what circumstances should it be allowed.

Please write an instruction manual and email it to Arsenal.

@aboveandbeyond

I pitch this to you as well since you are an expert in vibes. Please define the parameters of acceptable celebrations.

 

[Mamoon]

@Amjid Javed @topspin @aboveandbeyond

I am still waiting.

 

[Amjid Javed]

@Amjid Javed @topspin @aboveandbeyond

I am still waiting.

I'm still waiting for you to actually stop copying and pasting same thing and with zero facts.

All your posts are

Arteta will do this
Arteta will do that
Havertz will do this
Havertz will do that

 

[PakEngFan]

Lol Arsenal fans are the only fans who care about FA Cup.

 

[Mamoon]

I'm still waiting for you to actually stop copying and pasting same thing and with zero facts.

All your posts are

Arteta will do this
Arteta will do that
Havertz will do this
Havertz will do that

As expected, you don’t have an answer. You can’t define the parameters of acceptable celebrations and over the top celebrations.

I thought so, but let’s see if @topspin and @aboveandbeyond can walk the talk and enlighten us.

 

[shaz619]

It’s all fun and games, it seems a big deal to Arsenal so maybe their coming performances will be 10/10 henceforth.

On Arteta, he would never jump up and down like a Monkey before Jose Mourinho, he’d whimper and get punched between the eyes if he tried

 

[Mamoon]

It’s all fun and games, it seems a big deal to Arsenal so maybe their coming performances will be 10/10 henceforth.

On Arteta, he would never jump up and down like a Monkey before Jose Mourinho, he’d whimper and get punched between the eyes if he tried

Mourinho will not get hired by any big European club anymore so I don’t think Arteta will have the opportunity to act like a monkey in front of him, although a small club like Aston Villa would love to hire him in the future if an opportunity arises.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

As expected, you don’t have an answer. You can’t define the parameters of acceptable celebrations and over the top celebrations.

I thought so, but let’s see if @topspin and @aboveandbeyond can walk the talk and enlighten us.

The over reactions/celebrations were a symptom of the massive bottle job last season. As you may remember Artetas tactics in the bottle job games was evident he had a muddled thought process.

Because of all the above, the celebrations last week were more of letting out the self doubt emotions.

But come end of the season it will be Arteta Once again empty handed. And the deluded one will once again celebrate Arsenal finishing Third or Fourth . LOL

 

[Mamoon]

The over reactions/celebrations were a symptom of the massive bottle job last season. As you may remember Artetas tactics in the bottle job games was evident he had a muddled thought process.

Because of all the above, the celebrations last week were more of letting out the self doubt emotions.

But come end of the season it will be Arteta Once again empty handed. And the deluded one will once again celebrate Arsenal finishing Third or Fourth . LOL

You didn’t answer my question.

Please define the parameters of acceptable celebrations and over celebrations.

The “muddled thought process” took Arsenal from 8th to title contenders while spending less than City (who already had a champion team), Chelsea and United.

I wish more and more managers had such “muddled thought process”.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

You didn’t answer my question.

Please define the parameters of acceptable celebrations and over celebrations.

The “muddled thought process” took Arsenal from 8th to title contenders while spending less than City (who already had a champion team), Chelsea and United.

I wish more and more managers had such “muddled thought process”.

A nine point lead evaporated against the likes of Southampton, Brighton, Bournemouth. That suggests to me Bottle job syndrome did kick in

 

[shaz619]

Mourinho will not get hired by any big European club anymore so I don’t think Arteta will have the opportunity to act like a monkey in front of him, although a small club like Aston Villa would love to hire him in the future if an opportunity arises.

It’s odd, he’s not fit to be Jose’s water boy though.

 

[Amjid Javed]

If the Arsenal celebrations were a one off fair enough. But reality is they aren't.

We saw the same behaviour at the end of the Bournemouth and Villa games last season, also the villa game the season before.

Arteta fist pumping no real issue. But the whole team milking the celebrations way after game ended was pathetic. Oddegard camera stuff just shows how much the club cares about "social media" and some sort of "popularity contest"

The way this club conducts itself is a shambles.

- team huddles before games and after concededing goals. What are these losers spending all time in dressing room doing if they have to come out onto pitch to do a huddle. Nothing but for show.

- cheerleading, arm waving at crowd. Oddegard, zinchenko, Vieira, Arteta waving arms at crowd to get to make some noise. Again weak and pathetic behavior

- Arsenal bottled the league last season and club for "PR" decide to buy a dog and call it "Win" just before bottling a game vs notts forrest

- Havertz charity penalty vs Bournemouth, another preplanned thing from the club which came across as pathetic

- havertz scores vs Brentford, team is about to walk down tunnel after game . Artets gets havertz to lead a group to cheer lead and clap havertz is corner. Orchestrated by manager to feed his ego to make out his **** signing had done well.

The club's behaviour is weak and pathetic as it comes, everything attention seeking and for "likes" and "traction"

Club says it doesn't get involved in politics and religion when it came to ozil and oligar Muslims.

Same goes for all the Palestine stuff.

Yet it happily sided with Ukraine in their stuff with Russia.

Zinchenko made silly remarks on twitter and club takes no action

The club even put a bday message up for ex player Andre arshavin, but it was taken down because some crybaby at club asked to take it down.

But most of in fan bases are happy with weak pathetic mentality running through club.

Let's see oddegard and arteta with camera and wild celebrations when it's trophyless season number 4 at end of season.

 

[Amjid Javed]

The list is endless out how poor this club behaves interms of weak mentality

 

[Mamoon]

A nine point lead evaporated against the likes of Southampton, Brighton, Bournemouth. That suggests to me Bottle job syndrome did kick in

So I take it that like Amjid, you too cannot walk the talk to back your nonsense “over the top celebrations” narrative.

Too bad no one has been able to put the likes of Carragher, Neville, Ferdinand etc. on the spot like this and watch them - like you - fail to walk the talk.

 

[Mamoon]

It’s odd, he’s not fit to be Jose’s water boy though.

Jose is a heavily decorated manager, Arteta is only in the fourth year of his management. Let’s see how they compare 15 years from because there is no doubt that Arteta is brimming with potential.

Nevertheless, when he leaves Arsenal, he will not be downgrading himself by working for a small club like Aston Villa.

He belongs amongst the European heavyweights and that is the level he aspires to take Arsenal.

 

[Kroll]

They can act like they won the league but the tears will be back soon.

 

[sweep_shot]

I do not think they went overboard. It didn't affect the game.

 

[shaz619]

Jose is a heavily decorated manager, Arteta is only in the fourth year of his management. Let’s see how they compare 15 years from because there is no doubt that Arteta is brimming with potential.

Nevertheless, when he leaves Arsenal, he will not be downgrading himself by working for a small club like Aston Villa.

He belongs amongst the European heavyweights and that is the level he aspires to take Arsenal.

Jose is a heavily decorated manager, Arteta is only in the fourth year of his management. Let’s see how they compare 15 years from because there is no doubt that Arteta is brimming with potential.

Nevertheless, when he leaves Arsenal, he will not be downgrading himself by working for a small club like Aston Villa.

He belongs amongst the European heavyweights and that is the level he aspires to take Arsenal.

He is perfectly fine managing the European straweights of english football, you keep bringing up Villa since, you can never aspire to be as big as them. Your bhangra is limited to the no.2 position. Besides, you’re not a true Arsenal fan, you’re a die hard Arteta fan, in this country you wouldn’t be allowed to support Arsenal, Arsenal fans have already humiliated you.

 

[shaz619]

I would never want a coward like Arteta even for free at my club, certain toxic and misguided non-British fans would infiltrate Villa park and build him a temple, they would sing our praises as a cover for their weird fandom of one man.