Do weaker Asian sides help India retain their number 1 ranking in Tests?

[BDfanforever]

First of all, IND deserves it's current success in Cricket. However, after witnessing WI demolition of ENG in the first innings, it hit me that competition between ENG/Aus/RSA/NZ and to some extent WI is far more than IND versus other Asian sides.

I mean IND invites SRL and beats them just for fun. One would expect Asian sides to give India tougher competition than SENA countries in India.

Some Pakistani posters even suggested that India is number 1 due to lack of games it plays against Pakistan in recent times. At first, the idea seemed absurd, now after reconsidering, I do not think it was far fetched.

What if PAK/SRL/BD were as strong as ENG/AUS/RSA/NZ would India still be able to retain it's number 1 ranking?

 

[Itachi]

If you have 30 tough opponents instead of 3, you are less likely to maintain the top spot. That's common sense.

But BD has been historically weak so let's count them out. You guys were never big in test arena and there isn't any significant progression to change any of that in the next 5 years.

PAK and SRL are in this mess due to their own incompetent framework.

 

[Buffet]

2015 SL series had Sanga in top form before the series(Ahswin getting wood on him in series doesn't make his form poor), Mathews, Chandimal, Herath etc... yet Sl lost that test series.

 

[Banter]

But BD has been historically weak so let's count them out. You guys were never big in test arena and there isn't any significant progression to change any of that in the next 5 years.

If Pak played BD in UAE or BD, it'd be a pretty close contest.

 

[pratiktc]

Perhaps they'd put up a better show but most likely would all still get thrashed in India.

Current Indian side in India is really really hard to beat.
Essentially Kohli, Pujara, Ashwin and Jadeja in the XI is the equivalent of having 2 Steve Smith's and 2 Jimmy Andersons in terms of home bully levels.

Add to it the fact that the lesser Indian batsmen also get like a +5 run boost at home to their averages and with some skilful reverse swingers in Shami and Yadav.

In essence, the only way a team can compete with India today is to hope for a minefield pitch and win the toss in a shootout game. Otherwise on a normal track India will inexorably wear them down over 5 days

 

[latecut]

Winning against weak opposition does not help you gain points. It is only when you beat stronger opposition that you gain points.

India beating weak opposition will not help it gain points. It would in fact lose thempoints if they do not win all their matches against such opposition.

For instance, India just won 2-1 against Australia, a side ranked higher than all Asian sides. Still India did not gain any points and remained on 116 (same as their points before the series). Had they won the rain marred fourth test, then that would have helped gain an additional two points.

 

[Buffet]

Some Pakistani posters even suggested that India is number 1 due to lack of games it plays against Pakistan in recent times. At first, the idea seemed absurd, now after reconsidering, I do not think it was far fetched.

You should reconsider again.

Last 3 years in Asia,



Why do you think that a team having W/L of 0.8 will be a threat to another team having W/L of 17?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

You should reconsider again.

Last 3 years in Asia,

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Why do you think that a team having W/L of 0.8 will be a threat to another team having W/L of 17?

Wow. In Asian conditions, there is the Indian team and the rest are all minnow level really. PAK are really lucky not to have series with India. Otherwise their record on Asia would be worse than it already is.

 

[Balthazar]

Bangladesh is a perennial weak team. They never achieved anything significant as a cricket nation. So let's leave them out of this discussion.

It all comes down to how did strong Sri Lanka and Pak teams have fared in India before? I don't think their record is impressive, so India will just continue bto manhandle them with their superior spinners.

 

[jnaveen1980]

More like Stronger Indian side retain their no.1 ranking. You could come up with weirdo logic to discredit any number 1 team. During Australia's dominating period you could say "It is because everyone else was weak Australia was no.1" lol

 

[Tracer Bullet]

You should reconsider again.

Last 3 years in Asia,

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Why do you think that a team having W/L of 0.8 will be a threat to another team having W/L of 17?

Like India Pakistan never doctored pitches in UAE... India will find it hard to beat Pakistan or any team in test in UAE...While on dustbowls in India Pakistan can easily roll over most of the other teams and can give tough fight to india

 

[Buffet]

Like India Pakistan never doctored pitches in UAE... India will find it hard to beat Pakistan or any team in test in UAE...While on dustbowls in India Pakistan can easily roll over most of the other teams and can give tough fight to india

In another words,

Indians will get whitewashed by SL , lose series against NZ and drop tests against WI if they were playing in UAE.

 

[Itachi]

Like India Pakistan never doctored pitches in UAE... India will find it hard to beat Pakistan or any team in test in UAE...While on dustbowls in India Pakistan can easily roll over most of the other teams and can give tough fight to india

Well, first target of Pakistan should be not to lose at UAE then.... Reality says otherwise though.

 

[vandokkum]

Pakistan are lucky there are no test matches against India, if NZ can win a series against them in home conditions Lord knows what India will do.

 

[Tracer Bullet]

In another words,

Indians will get whitewashed by SL , lose series against NZ and drop tests against WI if they were playing in UAE.

No they will win against all above teams u mentioned but not very comprehensively like they do in india....

 

[vandokkum]

Bangladesh is a perennial weak team. They never achieved anything significant as a cricket nation. So let's leave them out of this discussion.

It all comes down to how did strong Sri Lanka and Pak teams have fared in India before? I don't think their record is impressive, so India will just continue bto manhandle them with their superior spinners.

Sri lanka have always been rubbish in India, but Pakistan have done pretty well in test matches in India.

 

[Tracer Bullet]

Well, first target of Pakistan should be not to lose at UAE then.... Reality says otherwise though.

If they manipulate pitches in UAE they will roll over most visiting teams...

 

[Hyperion66]

Like India Pakistan never doctored pitches in UAE... India will find it hard to beat Pakistan or any team in test in UAE...While on dustbowls in India Pakistan can easily roll over most of the other teams and can give tough fight to india

Please tell me you are kidding, you were whitewashed by Sri friggin Lanka and talking about giving India a hard time. In Asia it is nigh impossible for even the stronger teams to put up a challenge and Pakistan is not even a top team anymore.

 

[Buffet]

No they will win against all above teams u mentioned but not very comprehensively like they do in india....

If you think that then Pakistan playing India in Asia anywhere won't stop Indians to retain rank 1 as claimed by OP. That's the only point I was disputing.

I personally think that Indians are very aggressive in Asian conditions due to have 2-3 gun spinners and very good pace attack. They didn't have that always. They are simply too strong in certain conditions and they would beat most previous Asian teams. Most Asian teams had one gun spinner with some other support. On top of that, same spinners bat as well so it helps a lot. Indian batting is not as strong as they had 10 years back, but still very strong for Asian conditions.

They have many bigger holes when playing outside Asia, but in Asian conditions it's not big enough to be exploited regularly and India will always play other Asian sides in Asia.

 

[Buffet]

If they manipulate pitches in UAE they will roll over most visiting teams...

Pitches in Ind-Eng series was flat. If I recall it right, Eng scored 400+ few times and still lost 4-0.

 

[Itachi]

If they manipulate pitches in UAE they will roll over most visiting teams...

Even a 100% doctored pitch can't compensate for lack of talent. You will need someone who can take benefit from the manipulation but currently there's none.

 

[Tracer Bullet]

Even a 100% doctored pitch can't compensate for lack of talent. You will need someone who can take benefit from the manipulation but currently there's none.

Yasir shah can be beast on rank turner with able support from other end from shadab.

 

[Hyperion66]

If they manipulate pitches in UAE they will roll over most visiting teams...

What manipulation sir? On seeming pitches you will be oblitatrated due to most teams having better and faster pacers including Windies and the less talk about your batsmen the better. On rank turner you will end up losing even more since you don't have any test quality spinner bar Yasir. These dead low dust bowls are the reason you are not below BD in test ranking.

 

[Tracer Bullet]

Please tell me you are kidding, you were whitewashed by Sri friggin Lanka and talking about giving India a hard time. In Asia it is nigh impossible for even the stronger teams to put up a challenge and Pakistan is not even a top team anymore.

Yes Pakistan lost to sri lanka but brainless selection played large part in it..I agree Pakistan is not a top team but what i am trying to tell you is that If Pakistan manipulate pitches to Support their strength they can beat most of the top teams easily barring India..

 

[Tracer Bullet]

If you think that then Pakistan playing India in Asia anywhere won't stop Indians to retain rank 1 as claimed by OP. That's the only point I was disputing.

I personally think that Indians are very aggressive in Asian conditions due to have 2-3 gun spinners and very good pace attack. They didn't have that always. They are simply too strong in certain conditions and they would beat most previous Asian teams. Most Asian teams had one gun spinner with some other support. On top of that, same spinners bat as well so it helps a lot. Indian batting is not as strong as they had 10 years back, but still very strong for Asian conditions.

They have many bigger holes when playing outside Asia, but in Asian conditions it's not big enough to be exploited regularly and India will always play other Asian sides in Asia.

Yes Agree with you on the first part India deserve no 1 ranking.
But if India provide more sporting pitches in India it will be not that easy for them to beat top teams...

 

[Tracer Bullet]

What manipulation sir? On seeming pitches you will be oblitatrated due to most teams having better and faster pacers including Windies and the less talk about your batsmen the better. On rank turner you will end up losing even more since you don't have any test quality spinner bar Yasir. These dead low dust bowls are the reason you are not below BD in test ranking.

Yes we saw how India and Pakistan compete in England... And I am not Pakistani fyi...

 

[Buffet]

Yes Agree with you on the first part India deserve no 1 ranking.
But if India provide more sporting pitches in India it will be not that easy for them to beat top teams...

Eng pitch wasn't really rank turners. Eng lost 4-0.

I will bank on Indians to beat everyone if pitch is taking turn with low bounce. That would be a typical Asian pitch.

 

[Hyperion66]

Yes Pakistan lost to sri lanka but brainless selection played large part in it..I agree Pakistan is not a top team but what i am trying to tell you is that If Pakistan manipulate pitches to Support their strength they can beat most of the top teams easily barring India..

You need to first get out of UAE, for the sake of cricket I hope cricket comes back to Pakistan sooner. These UAE pitches produced a generation of timid, lethargic batsmen and turned fast bowlers into trundlers. I remember that fear and respect I felt watching Shoaib and Wasim steaming in running through line ups for fun, it is painful now to watch Amir trundling with constipated grunts.

 

[Banter]

This thread reminds me of that old joke about an Elephant strolling through the jungle, and 2 ants sitting on a tree. As the Elephant passes by below them, one ant says to the other - DABAA DE SAALEY KO.

 

[Balthazar]

Yasir shah can be beast on rank turner with able support from other end from shadab.

And what makes you think India will offer rank turners to Asian teams.

 

[rhony]

First of all, IND deserves it's current success in Cricket. However, after witnessing WI demolition of ENG in the first innings, it hit me that competition between ENG/Aus/RSA/NZ and to some extent WI is far more than IND versus other Asian sides.

I mean IND invites SRL and beats them just for fun. One would expect Asian sides to give India tougher competition than SENA countries in India.

Some Pakistani posters even suggested that India is number 1 due to lack of games it plays against Pakistan in recent times. At first, the idea seemed absurd, now after reconsidering, I do not think it was far fetched.

What if PAK/SRL/BD were as strong as ENG/AUS/RSA/NZ would India still be able to retain it's number 1 ranking?

There is a certain merit to your point. So hypothetically if there is another subcontinent team that can compete and win against India in India, it could threaten their No.1 ranking. Here's why. Great teams build on their records not only due to their performances but also because of the perception of 'invincibility'. Opposition is overwhelmed even before a ball is bowled. Losing games at home could tear away that 'aura' that India has at home and could embolden others.

 

[Hyperion66]

Yes we saw how India and Pakistan compete in England... And I am not Pakistani fyi...

I don't see no flags, I assumed you are a Pakistani through your posting pattern, my apologies.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Weak Bangladesh? When has Bangladesh not been weak?

An all-time Bangladesh XI, which is basically another minnow, would still not be able to compete in India.

How can someone make the mistake of clubbing Pakistan and Sri Lanka, teams that have had legacy and success, with Bangladesh?

 

[yuvi]

SL whitewashed Pakistan in UAE so it's not weak in the subcontinent. Bd is much better than what it was a decade ago. Only Pakistan team has gone down in quality. India can whitewash this Pakistan team home and away. By not playing Pakistan India is suffering not benefiting.

 

[rhony]

Yes we saw how India and Pakistan compete in England... And I am not Pakistani fyi...

First of all, the discussion is about tests. India and Pakistan have never competed in tests in England.

Now coming to ODIs assuming you are referring to the CT final and assuming that Pak dominates India in Eng, well.. your assumption is wrong again.

India and Pakistan played 5 ODIs in England with India winning 3 and Pak winning 2

 

[Hyperion66]

Weak Bangladesh? When has Bangladesh not been weak?

An all-time Bangladesh XI, which is basically another minnow, would still not be able to compete in India.

How can someone make the mistake of clubbing Pakistan and Sri Lanka, teams that have had legacy and success, with Bangladesh?

Lmao, savage man

 

[Tracer Bullet]

First of all, the discussion is about tests. India and Pakistan have never competed in tests in England.

Now coming to ODIs assuming you are referring to the CT final and assuming that Pak dominates India in Eng, well.. your assumption is wrong again.

India and Pakistan played 5 ODIs in England with India winning 3 and Pak winning 2

I am talking about test only
Pakistan drew their last two test series in England and India got thrashing of their lifetime under dhoni and kohli...

 

[Tracer Bullet]

I don't see no flags, I assumed you are a Pakistani through your posting pattern, my apologies.

Never mind...I just think People really underestimate Pakistan test team..they are much better than what recent result and numbers suggest.

 

[giri26]

I am talking about test only
Pakistan drew their last two test series in England and India got thrashing of their lifetime under dhoni and kohli...

How does that equate to performances in Asia? Isn't this thread about performance in Asia?

 

[jnaveen1980]

If they manipulate pitches in UAE they will roll over most visiting teams...

I don't think there is a pitch that exists which suit only Pakistan bowling.

 

[latecut]

One gains/ loses points depending on their performance against their opponents. It is not as if a number one team becomes number eight if it loses a series against a number three team. The loss of points may still keep it in number one position if its position were high to begin with.

India lost points heavily when they lost 1-4 to England, still they continued to stay at number one, with the gap from number two narrowed down. Even in the Australia series, India managed to hang on to its earlier points despite winning the series 2-1. So playing against lower ranked teams actually costs points to number one team, rather than helping them gain points, if they fail to win all the matches.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Some team is always going to be the no.1 team. It is because they are relatively better than other teams.
Really good teams keep that no.1 spot for longer period. Given the amount of workload (IPL, pointless ODI series, 4 test series, T20 series )they have it is hard to keep the intensity going. They have been doing. India was like 5th or 6th ranked when Kohli took over. He had this passion to take India to next level. He has achieved it.

 

[Tracer Bullet]

How does that equate to performances in Asia? Isn't this thread about performance in Asia?

I am replying to that particular poster where he mentioned Pakistan performed badly on seaming tracks due to less potent attack...so I replied him saying that Pakistan perfomed better in those conditions as compared to India..

 

[rhony]

I am talking about test only
Pakistan drew their last two test series in England and India got thrashing of their lifetime under dhoni and kohli...

Pakistan won 1 test and India won 1 test in their last visits. Case closed.

 

[Tracer Bullet]

I don't think there is a pitch that exists which suit only Pakistan bowling.

So you confident that SENA countries will give Pakistan run for their money on rank turners...

 

[Tracer Bullet]

Pakistan won 1 test and India won 1 test in their last visits. Case closed.

Yeh but pakistan lost just 1 test and India lost 4
I will take 1-1 than 1-4 anyday
Pakistan also drew 2-2 while india got phainty of a lifetime 4-0 before that

 

[MP2011]

Never mind...I just think People really underestimate Pakistan test team..they are much better than what recent result and numbers suggest.

You sure about that? I mean Pakistan have lost against NZ of all teams at home, got blanked against SL of all teams at home, couldn't blank a hapless Aus at home!

Just because Pakistan drew Eng in Eng in a 2-test series doesn't mean that everything else will be forgotten...

 

[MP2011]

Yeh but pakistan lost just 1 test and India lost 4
I will take 1-1 than 1-4 anyday
Pakistan also drew 2-2 while india got phainty of a lifetime 4-0 before that

So I gather, Eng is the only test team going around. Results (home/away) against anyone else do not matter!

 

[rhony]

Yeh but pakistan lost just 1 test and India lost 4
I will take 1-1 than 1-4 anyday
Pakistan also drew 2-2 while india got phainty of a lifetime 4-0 before that

Pakistan lost only 1 because they played only 2. Pakistan lost to NZ at home and SL. SO extrapolating stuff actually will not work in your favor. The rankings perfectly reflect where each team is and what they have done in the last few years so u and I dont have to imagine and make up stuff. Pak is a team in ascendency and India is at its peak.

 

[Tracer Bullet]

You sure about that? I mean Pakistan have lost against NZ of all teams at home, got blanked against SL of all teams at home, couldn't blank a hapless Aus at home!

Just because Pakistan drew Eng in Eng in a 2-test series doesn't mean that everything else will be forgotten...

Agree with all you are saying i am just stating that they are actually much better team than what recent results suggest

 

[latecut]

Pakistan gained handsome number of points by holding England 1-1, but gain of these points were not so big that they could become number one. They remained where they are (at bottom of the table).

India lost points heavily due to their 1-4 defeat at the hands of England. Still their loss of point was not big enough to take them below Pakistan. In fact they continued to remain number one.

I guess understanding ranking system is rocket science for some fans here.

 

[Tracer Bullet]

Pakistan lost only 1 because they played only 2. Pakistan lost to NZ at home and SL. SO extrapolating stuff actually will not work in your favor. The rankings perfectly reflect where each team is and what they have done in the last few years so u and I dont have to imagine and make up stuff. Pak is a team in ascendency and India is at its peak.

Yes ranking reflects perfect picture and India deserve top spot, India far better team than Pakistan outside england
Along with indias ranking Indian fans arrogance also at peak...

 

[rhony]

Yes ranking reflects perfect picture and India deserve top spot, India far better team than Pakistan outside england
Along with indias ranking Indian fans arrogance also at peak...

I for one believe Pak did well in SA and should have won atleast the first test. As far as England, Scoreline was deceptive in India series and there is no way to say if Pak would have won or lost 3 more games if it was a 5 test series. As far as fans bragging about results, you did the same about 1-1 drawn series

 

[RyanRyan10]

Weak Bangladesh? When has Bangladesh not been weak?

An all-time Bangladesh XI, which is basically another minnow, would still not be able to compete in India.

How can someone make the mistake of clubbing Pakistan and Sri Lanka, teams that have had legacy and success, with Bangladesh?

Owned

This poster actually wants others to believe that Bangladesh falls in the same category as other subcontinent teams

It would be fun when Afghanistan overtakes them which is going to happen very soon

 

[Varun]

Tangentially - Pakistan and India playing a series now and Pakistan losing (be it in UAE or India) could be the catalyst needed to fuel changes in their set-up, which no amount of losses in faraway South Africa will do.

Sri Lanka are a different story, and Bangladesh will always be minnows.

 

[jagatk]

Small problem with this narrative is that until England beat SL last year, the SENA sides were easily being beaten by this same weak SL team, England couldn't even beat Bangladesh in the series.

Also for the so called non far fetched idea, that team couldn't beat NZ with its rookie spinners are going to beat India who have lost 1 match in last 22.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Owned

This poster actually wants others to believe that Bangladesh falls in the same category as other subcontinent teams

It would be fun when Afghanistan overtakes them which is going to happen very soon

OP must understand the Pakistan and Sri Lanka as cricketing nations have put in years of hardwork to create their legacies and just because these two teams are struggling, he cannot simply elevate Bangladesh to their level in one single stroke.

That day iirc he was clubbing all Asian pacers in the same category

 

[latecut]

Replying to baseless comments with facts is not arrogance, it is called setting the records straight.

 

[latecut]

OP must understand the Pakistan and Sri Lanka as cricketing nations have put in years of hardwork to create their legacies and just because these two teams are struggling, he cannot simply elevate Bangladesh to their level in one single stroke.

That day iirc he was clubbing all Asian pacers in the same category

Building legacies takes lot of quality hard work over generations. I still remember how Sri Lankan national team used to play an annual match against Tamilnadu Ranji team for a trophy called M G Gopalan trophy till 1980s (four nearly three decades). Then Sri Lanka used to play lots of matches against A teams of test nations.

Bangladesh on the other hand have been handed their test status even before they has a proper first class domestic structure in place. Moreover, Bangladeshi board and players have been so arrogant that they considered it below their dignity to participate in Indian Duleep Trophy tournament when BCCI invited them to participate in this tournament. PCB sent a team that they thought was too good for Indian domestic teams. That Bangladeshi XI was thrashed by an innings by East Zone, India's weakest zone in Duleep Trophy. After that BCCI learnt its lesson and did not invite BCB in its domestic cricket.

I do not think Bangladeshis have so far managed to build up any cricketing legacy worth mentioning till now.

 

[big_gamer007]

The OP has some merit Indian dominance at home is unparalleled but it's also because reasons:

1. Pakistan test team is minnow level, if Pakistan was fielding their 90s team and India v Pakistan matches happened regularly Indian dominance at home might not be as huge as it is now.

Burt since Pakistan is minnow level it doesn't matter whether they play now or not.

Sri Lanka have never been able to win a series in India I believe and they are also not as good as they once were. So they don't count.

BD are perrennial minnows in test arena, they are doing good in patches in limited overs but in tests especially away from home they are minnows.

At the moment India is probably in top 5 best test sides ever. Australia 2000s
WI 80s
SA 2010s
Then possibly current Indian team.

 

[aukhan]

I've seen stronger Srilankan sides getting the same treatment. They are a top Asian team now because of their marvelous performances abroad.

 

[Sadozai]

Lets accept the fact that Indian team is No.1 without any "ifs" and "buts"

 

[Raja111]

Yes Agree with you on the first part India deserve no 1 ranking.
But if India provide more sporting pitches in India it will be not that easy for them to beat top teams...

You mean The UAE pitches are more sporting ones that's why Pakistan couldn't beat the top teams there While India aren't providing more sporting pitches that's why they dominate them at home?

 

[BreadPakoda]

Agree with [MENTION=148852]Tracer Bullet[/MENTION].

India must offer pitches more sporting to visiting teams and get more difficult pitches when they tour overseas. Maybe SA can give a more bouncier pitch next time. It's only fair.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Regardless of what many indians might say, not touring Pakistan it UAE has been an immense help to India’s ranking points. Pakistan is a team capable of keeping a straight test record against India and that alone would have hurt them.

 

[Tracer Bullet]

Agree with [MENTION=148852]Tracer Bullet[/MENTION].

India must offer pitches more sporting to visiting teams and get more difficult pitches when they tour overseas. Maybe SA can give a more bouncier pitch next time. It's only fair.

After getting thrashed 0-4 against India on rank turners you really expect South African to provide sporting wickets to India whey they tour..South Africa just return the favour which India truely deserved..

 

[BreadPakoda]

After getting thrashed 0-4 against India on rank turners you really expect South African to provide sporting wickets to India whey they tour..South Africa just return the favour which India truely deserved..

Na. They didn't totally return the favor.

Morkel said the pitch for the second test reminded him of sub-continent. Need more bouncier pitches. Maybe more like the one they prepared for the last test.

 

[latecut]

Regardless of what many indians might say, not touring Pakistan it UAE has been an immense help to India’s ranking points. Pakistan is a team capable of keeping a straight test record against India and that alone would have hurt them.

England, South Africa, New Zealand and Australia are the top ranked teams and India plays regularly with them. That is what is expected of a top ranked team.

 

[RainMan_]

No.

India has always been a dominant side at home. Yes, weaker Asian sides give them a slight advantage in maintaining their no 1 status but I don't think it's as much as u r trying to portray it.

Lanka with murali, sanga, jaya used to get thrashed by India in India on a consistent basis. So, in the end I don't think it would've mattered that much. As for Pakistan, I think they r lucky that they aren't playing against India with their current bunch of players (with all due and undue respect)

It's india's away performance that has always been a concern but thankfully they have managed to find out some good fast bowlers which has made them far more competitive in seaming condition.

 

[saeed5646]

England, South Africa, New Zealand and Australia are the top ranked teams and India plays regularly with them. That is what is expected of a top ranked team.

Well till 2016 we were ranked in top 3 in test at some point pak was number 1.why did your team did not played with pakistan then?Not playing with pakistan is not due to ranking you knows it.

 

[latecut]

Well till 2016 we were ranked in top 3 in test at some point pak was number 1.why did your team did not played with pakistan then?Not playing with pakistan is not due to ranking you knows it.

You also know the reason why BCCI plays against all other teams but not against Pakistan in bilateral matches.

 

[saeed5646]

You also know the reason why BCCI plays against all other teams but not against Pakistan in bilateral matches.

Then no reason for you to give a excuse of ranking not playing with pakistan.

 

[Sir Alex]

You should reconsider again.

Last 3 years in Asia,

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Why do you think that a team having W/L of 0.8 will be a threat to another team having W/L of 17?

That is an astounding stat.

Really people this is a Pakistani forum. We need to get out of this India fixation. They are just plain brilliant at the moment. Accept it and the world will seem an easier place.

 

[big_gamer007]

That is an astounding stat.

Really people this is a Pakistani forum. We need to get out of this India fixation. They are just plain brilliant at the moment. Accept it and the world will seem an easier place.

210 posts in 9 years, your post per year count is nearly as bad as Pakistan's WL count ))

 

[big_gamer007]

No.

India has always been a dominant side at home. Yes, weaker Asian sides give them a slight advantage in maintaining their no 1 status but I don't think it's as much as u r trying to portray it.

Lanka with murali, sanga, jaya used to get thrashed by India in India on a consistent basis. So, in the end I don't think it would've mattered that much. As for Pakistan, I think they r lucky that they aren't playing against India with their current bunch of players (with all due and undue respect)

It's india's away performance that has always been a concern but thankfully they have managed to find out some good fast bowlers which has made them far more competitive in seaming condition.

Finally an unbiased post from you.

 

[dragon751]

No they will win against all above teams u mentioned but not very comprehensively like they do in india....

dude check theeng series in india , the pitches were in no way shape or form doctored yet eng were blanked 4-0, and eng won 4 of those tosses.

 

[Sachin136]

It's actually the opposite. The other Asian teams are weak and ranked low, so India winning against them doesn't count for much (whereas all the SENA teams are quite strong). If the other Asian sides were stronger, India would still beat them anywhere in Asia and get more points for beating them.

 

[BDfanforever]

There is a certain merit to your point. So hypothetically if there is another subcontinent team that can compete and win against India in India, it could threaten their No.1 ranking. Here's why. Great teams build on their records not only due to their performances but also because of the perception of 'invincibility'. Opposition is overwhelmed even before a ball is bowled. Losing games at home could tear away that 'aura' that India has at home and could embolden others.

Good point, that is what I was basically trying to say really. I was not undermining India's ranking.

 

[latecut]

It's actually the opposite. The other Asian teams are weak and ranked low, so India winning against them doesn't count for much (whereas all the SENA teams are quite strong). If the other Asian sides were stronger, India would still beat them anywhere in Asia and get more points for beating them.

Yes that is a succint and accurate summary- hopefully one that people will be able to understand.

 

[mystical man]

No they will win against all above teams u mentioned but not very comprehensively like they do in india....

I understand that we are talking about test cricket yet in the recently concluded Asia Cup none of the batsmen looked like they were in trouble against any bowler plus our spinners were creating mayhem so this argument will not hold any weight as Pakistan do not have a strong spin attack.