Does any existing frontline Pakistani pacer have Mohammad Siraj's relentless passion?

[Savak]

Watching Siraj charge in and bowl 20-25 plus overs in almost every innings of a 5 test series without asking for a break, rest, crying over workload and leading his side single handedly to win two test matches.

Can the likes of Shaheen, Naseem, Hasan Ali, Khurram Shehzad, Mir Hamza etc ever replicate this? We have already seen what happens to our pacers when they come back to bowl in their second and third spells in test cricket.

The PCB is least bothered about focusing and prioritizing test cricket and the results are in front of us where we now have bowlers who are only good enough for 4 overs.

 

[AMSS]

Sanghi India nurtures the best muslim players.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Our bowlers get injured bowling four overs in T20 cricket, what is this comparison?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

No they don't. This guy is such a hard worker and just puts in effort time and time again

 

[saimayubera]

No.

Post Shoaib, the best Muslim fast bowlers have been Zaheer, Siraj and Shami. All have had success in both white ball, winning ICC/ACC trophies as well as red ball, winning/drawing multiple series in SENA.

Amir prolly 4th best with his white ball performances but no notable red ball performances tbh which led to series wins/draws in SENA.

 

[jnaveen1980]

No.

Post Shoaib, the best Muslim fast bowlers have been Zaheer, Siraj and Shami. All have had success in both white ball, winning ICC/ACC trophies as well as red ball, winning/drawing multiple series in SENA.

Amir prolly 4th best with his white ball performances but no notable red ball performances tbh which led to series wins/draws in SENA.

Good call. Zaheer khan bowled a 11 over marathon spell in NZ once to win a test i think. Then Shami bowled a 11 or 12 over spell in England. Now Siraj.

 

[saimayubera]

Good call. Zaheer khan bowled a 11 over marathon spell in NZ once to win a test i think. Then Shami bowled a 11 or 12 over spell in England. Now Siraj.

Zaheer has won two ICC trophies (WC/CT) where he was the best bowler.

Test series wins in Eng and NZ. Test series drawn in Aus and SA. Had 5fers in all of those series I think.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Not even in India.

Siraj’s passion for bowling and representing his nation is unmatched.

This is not possible if the national cap doesn’t mean everything for your.

 

[Major]

An indian bowler ends up performing, and some pakistani has to use him to compare and bash our bowlers

 

[kron]

Watching Siraj charge in and bowl 20-25 plus overs in almost every innings of a 5 test series without asking for a break, rest, crying over workload and leading his side single handedly to win two test matches.

Can the likes of Shaheen, Naseem, Hasan Ali, Khurram Shehzad, Mir Hamza etc ever replicate this? We have already seen what happens to our pacers when they come back to bowl in their second and third spells in test cricket.

The PCB is least bothered about focusing and prioritizing test cricket and the results are in front of us where we now have bowlers who are only good enough for 4 overs.

One of the best pacers in the world

Lion hearted guy

He is a true leader

Open with him and prasidh

Bring bumrah as first change going forward

 

[aboveandbeyond]

The Problem for teams like Pakistan is the lack of test cricket in their schedule .

Is the schedule set by icc ?.

Look at team South africa. World test champions yet their test schedule is non existent.

 

[kron]

Good call. Zaheer khan bowled a 11 over marathon spell in NZ once to win a test i think. Then Shami bowled a 11 or 12 over spell in England. Now Siraj.

Don’t want to be a dick but bowling 130 like Zak khan is much easier than bowling at 138 to 145 like siraj and bumrah etc

 

[kron]

An indian bowler ends up performing, and some pakistani has to use him to compare and bash our bowlers

If he does well Pakistan wins bro

 

[jnaveen1980]

Don’t want to be a dick but bowling 130 like Zak khan is much easier than bowling at 138 to 145 like siraj and bumrah etc

Zak was decent at one point. In that NZ series he was hitting the channel perfectly relentlessly. India needed him to bowl that long spell. He did. That stamina is definitely the most important quality. That separates Test bowlers from T20 bowlers.

 

[IndoorCricket]

Siraj, when he was out of the team, played all major local cricket matches in hyderabad, his only goal was not to be hit for a boundary (I know this because I am from the same city as Siraj). He put his head down and worked hard. Unreal dedication. Just shows that with sheer hardwork you can be the king.

 

[saimayubera]

Zak was decent at one point. In that NZ series he was hitting the channel perfectly relentlessly. India needed him to bowl that long spell. He did. That stamina is definitely the most important quality. That separates Test bowlers from T20 bowlers.

Zak was the 2nd best test pacer from 2007-11 after Steyn, won series in Eng/NZ (only series won there in decades), drew a seres in SA, was responsible for India being no 1 for two years in a row and capped it by being the highest wicket taker in a winning WC campaign.

 

[kron]

Zak was decent at one point. In that NZ series he was hitting the channel perfectly relentlessly. India needed him to bowl that long spell. He did. That stamina is definitely the most important quality. That separates Test bowlers from T20 bowlers.

Problem with Zak is his average is very poor in Asian conditions and on flat pitches even in sena he struggled a lot

 

[saimayubera]

Problem with Zak is his average is very poor in Asian conditions and on flat pitches even in sena he struggled a lot

I'm comparing with Pakistani pacers post Shoaib, not all pacers. No Pakistani pacer post Shoaib has had his success, red ball-white ball combined.

Asif and Abbas have good red ball numbers but too small sample size and they bowled in extremely favourable conditions. They were dropped/injured for flatter conditions. Kind of like Bhuvi.

Also no SENA series wins by them.

Amir has some good white ball performances but lacks red ball standout performances. Also Zaheer won the WC which is more prestigious.

 

[TheSultan]

Not even in India.

Siraj’s passion for bowling and representing his nation is unmatched.

This is not possible if the national cap doesn’t mean everything for your.

This was my thinking too. Why just ask about Pakistan bowlers. There are very few bowlers in the world (if any) with Siraj’s passion

 

[Bhaijaan]

Siraj has been forged into the howler he’s become today after being played relentlessly in 4-5 tests long series against the best teams in the world mostly outside India.

Pakistan must prioritise test cricket and should aim to at least play 3 tests on every away tour.

 

[Josh]

Such bowlers are rare. What an effort frok series and he never went below 85 mph in any spells of his 185 overs he bowled during this series. Great fitness and he is a really skilled bowler too, moving it both ways. Skills and Hard work. Any captain would want to have him in his team.

 

[Hellion]

No. They can barely play 2 consecutive Test matches before they get injured.

They'll take all format retirement after playing 5 consecutive Tests.

 

[Savak]

If anyone deserves workload management, it is Siraj. Bowling so many overs non stop in 5 test matches on the trott will eventually take a toll at some point. BCCI needs to ensure he is rested from meaningless ODIs and T20s and also for the likes of Prasidh, Akashdeep to step up.

 

[The_KING]

Pakistan bowlers are T20 mercenaries. They don't care about test cricket. They only care about T20 cricket, and that is on the PCB for developing a culture where it is all about T20 cricket. This obsession with T20 cricket has destroyed Pakistan cricket.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Pakistan bowlers are T20 mercenaries. They don't care about test cricket. They only care about T20 cricket, and that is on the PCB for developing a culture where it is all about T20 cricket. This obsession with T20 cricket has destroyed Pakistan cricket.

THe thing is they are not even that good in T20.

 

[The_KING]

THe thing is they are not even that good in T20.

Exactly.

 

[pratiktc]

No.

Post Shoaib, the best Muslim fast bowlers have been Zaheer, Siraj and Shami. All have had success in both white ball, winning ICC/ACC trophies as well as red ball, winning/drawing multiple series in SENA.

Amir prolly 4th best with his white ball performances but no notable red ball performances tbh which led to series wins/draws in SENA.

Umar Gul, Shaheen, Amir have also had glittering careers across formats even though not as prolific. They have spearheaded some excellent ICC trophy campaigns.

Gul I feel had bad luck to bowl in Tests in worst era on worst wickets. If he had come into test cricket in 2018, he would easily be a 27 avg bowler.

 

[saimayubera]

Umar Gul, Shaheen, Amir have also had glittering careers across formats even though not as prolific. They have spearheaded some excellent ICC trophy campaigns.

Gul I feel had bad luck to bowl in Tests in worst era on worst wickets. If he had come into test cricket in 2018, he would easily be a 27 avg bowler.

they are all a tier below zak, shami, siraj whose cvs are way better and just bigger sample sizes.

they are prolly on irfan pathan level.

pathan won t20wc and ct and was mom in t20 wc final. helped india win their first series in pak.

 

[kron]

If anyone deserves workload management, it is Siraj. Bowling so many overs non stop in 5 test matches on the trott will eventually take a toll at some point. BCCI needs to ensure he is rested from meaningless ODIs and T20s and also for the likes of Prasidh, Akashdeep to step up.

I don’t want him to play a single t20 or odi for the next 3 months

Complete rest

 

[kron]

they are all a tier below zak, shami, siraj whose cvs are way better and just bigger sample sizes.

they are prolly on irfan pathan level.

pathan won t20wc and ct and was mom in t20 wc final. helped india win their first series in pak.

Let’s be honest

Shoaib and Waqar is below siraj

They can never do what he did in a 5 test series

 

[Champ_Pal]

Credit to his fitness. He may not look strong. But he is very fit. He also maintains the pace and he skids the ball after it pitches. Deceptively quick.
Overall a very good bowler to have as a lieutenant to Bumrah.

 

[Champ_Pal]

I don’t want him to play a single t20 or odi for the next 3 months

Complete rest

agreed. Arshdeep should take his place.

 

[saimayubera]

Let’s be honest

Shoaib and Waqar is below siraj

They can never do what he did in a 5 test series

shoaib yes.

tbh even waqar too cause even though his stats are good they are pure minnow bashing. averages something like 28 against the good teams.

siraj has more match winning 5fers in SENA than both.

 

[saimayubera]

I don’t want him to play a single t20 or odi for the next 3 months

Complete rest

not even a part of the white ball setup tbh.

 

[pratiktc]

Actually Siraj in ODIs is really an elite bowler.

Leading upto WC 2023 he was India's best strike bowler and only presence of 2 goated bowlers in Shami and Bumrah overshadowed him.

Even during his salad days he came into prominence in domestic Vijay Hazare trophy where while playing for a very weak side on flat paata wickets he blew open 2-3 games single handedly with 4-5-6 wicket hauls

I expect he will carry attack in 2027 WC in SA and have a banger series if he remains fit.

not even a part of the white ball setup tbh.

 

[saimayubera]

Actually Siraj in ODIs is really an elite bowler.

Leading upto WC 2023 he was India's best strike bowler and only presence of 2 goated bowlers in Shami and Bumrah overshadowed him.

Even during his salad days he came into prominence in domestic Vijay Hazare trophy where while playing for a very weak side on flat paata wickets he blew open 2-3 games single handedly with 4-5-6 wicket hauls

I expect he will carry attack in 2027 WC in SA and have a banger series if he remains fit.

Yeah can come in the ODI setup.

 

[kron]

Actually Siraj in ODIs is really an elite bowler.

Leading upto WC 2023 he was India's best strike bowler and only presence of 2 goated bowlers in Shami and Bumrah overshadowed him.

Even during his salad days he came into prominence in domestic Vijay Hazare trophy where while playing for a very weak side on flat paata wickets he blew open 2-3 games single handedly with 4-5-6 wicket hauls

I expect he will carry attack in 2027 WC in SA and have a banger series if he remains fit.

No
Let him rest lol

5 test back to back and 5 tests vs Aus

Absolutely not

Complete rest

 

[Bhaijaan]

If anyone deserves workload management, it is Siraj. Bowling so many overs non stop in 5 test matches on the trott will eventually take a toll at some point. BCCI needs to ensure he is rested from meaningless ODIs and T20s and also for the likes of Prasidh, Akashdeep to step up.

He can go back to serving the city of Hyderabad as the Deputy Superintendent of Police for a few weeks.

 

[Bhaijaan]

He’s come a long way. Look at his father so proud of him.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Siraj is such a pure soul. He said he downloaded a photo from Google in the morning today that said Believe and put it as his wallpaper. Said he told himself he would finish the match.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1952372650816553470

 

[Devadwal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1952362730620690770

 

[MP2011]

agreed. Arshdeep should take his place.

Arshdeep remains injured without even playing

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

He is emotional and a bit naive. Comes from a very humble background, ipl stint with rcb under Kohli and then into indian team. Great story rising from the slums of hyderabad.

 

[pakistani pride]

You need a big heart and passion to do what Siraj has done. Our paper tigers only get excited when they can bowl 2 - max 4 overs in some leauge in Dubai.

No pace, no passion and no heart.

 

[captain.hansolo]

Good call. Zaheer khan bowled a 11 over marathon spell in NZ once to win a test i think. Then Shami bowled a 11 or 12 over spell in England. Now Siraj.

Shami bowled a 17 over spell against India once.

 

[captain.hansolo]

Shami bowled a 17 over spell against India once.

Sorry that’s Mohammed Sami of Pakistan not Mohammed Shami of India.

 

[RidiculousMan]

Watching Siraj charge in and bowl 20-25 plus overs in almost every innings of a 5 test series without asking for a break, rest, crying over workload and leading his side single handedly to win two test matches.

Can the likes of Shaheen, Naseem, Hasan Ali, Khurram Shehzad, Mir Hamza etc ever replicate this? We have already seen what happens to our pacers when they come back to bowl in their second and third spells in test cricket.

The PCB is least bothered about focusing and prioritizing test cricket and the results are in front of us where we now have bowlers who are only good enough for 4 overs.

Abbas literally gave his all if you were watching the South Africa Test series.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Shami bowled a 17 over spell against India once.

17 over spell or 17 ball over. I am a bit confused there.

 

[captain.hansolo]

17 over spell or 17 ball over. I am a bit confused there.

Where is the ambiguity in ‘17 over spell’