Does England owe an apology to World Cricket for jeopardizing WTC Final

[Bhaijaan]

England should have gracefully opted out of hosting this final knowing well in advance rains could play spoilsport.

They have done a disservice to Cricket bg jeopardizing what is probably the most important and historic test match even ever.

Many fans now have the right to hold England responsible.

 

[U$ofA]

It should be the ICC that should apologize to all. The WTC has been one misstep after another from the start.

This is just a culmination of a long list of screw ups. Through this the ICC somehow managed to screw up the one solitary thing they were responsible for.

 

[King-Misbah]

This is a very immature post. By your logic, England should not host any world cup, champions trophy tournaments due to the unpredictable weather? England has produced great games and tournaments in world cricket.

 

[silentkiller187]

is this thread serious, England should apologize for the weather? haha. Apart from indian and NZ fans and a few on this forum no one in England even knows this game is going on especially since the European championships is ongoing, so to call it the most historic test match ever is a bi of an exaggeration.

On the flipside the recently suspended IPL in india, has BCCI apologized for that yet? they gracefully could have declined to hold the tournament knowing the country was ravaged to its knees but chose money, yet people want to complain about a bit of rain

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Ideally, England should not hold too many ICC tournaments.

 

[Titan24]

I understand the frustration but, unfortunately this is part and parcel of cricket especially in England as it has unpredictable weather. There were quite a few disappointments in WC 19 especially the Pak vs Srl match being washed out for Pak fans as a win their could have meant going into the semis.

Still there are 5 more days to go as there is a reserve day so plenty of time left if rain doesnt play its part in other days.

 

[gazza619]

Wait a minute. How did England know months ago that it would rain on 18 June?

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

How would they know 4 years ago that it would rain? It was aa perfect weather for the last week's Test

 

[Bhaijaan]

Sometimes it's about being a gentleman and in the spirit of the game if England simply pits it's hand up and say sorry guys my bad, i am sure fans of this beautiful game would be generous enough to accept it as part and parcel of the game.

For the record, David Beckham is my all time fav footballer.

 

[Junaids]

It’s very rare for England to get sustained summer rain. Usually an entire English summer gets less rain than you would get in two Sydney summer storms.

The match will be just fine.

 

[Varun]

If this game is a washout, the result should be decided on the basis of who hit more boundaries in the WTC cycle.

It's only fair.

 

[Mesozoic]

For the sake of Test cricket and the game in general, I dearly hope ICC for once thinks out of the box and either moves the game one day forward (along with the reserve day) or announces an additional reserve day.

It'd be an astronomical farce if the finale of a two year long tournament ends up as a draw with barely 150 overs bowled.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

England should have gracefully opted out of hosting this final knowing well in advance rains could play spoilsport.

They have done a disservice to Cricket bg jeopardizing what is probably the most important and historic test match even ever.

Many fans now have the right to hold England responsible.

Yep, it was a complete shambles and should've been done in July. Some teams got conned out of games.

However, the biggest con was of NZ which should've been replayed on the reserve day.

 

[Last Monetarist]

If this game is a washout, the result should be decided on the basis of who hit more boundaries in the WTC cycle.

It's only fair.

Super over first.

 

[Varun]

Super over first.

Buuut what if it rains 2 balls into the over?

 

[King-Misbah]

Sometimes it's about being a gentleman and in the spirit of the game if England simply pits it's hand up and say sorry guys my bad, i am sure fans of this beautiful game would be generous enough to accept it as part and parcel of the game.

For the record, David Beckham is my all time fav footballer.

What are you on about? Spirits of game and the weather? I am seriously confused.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Not England.

But ICC.

Complete and utter losers.

Everything about WTC from the day 1 has been a mess.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

When you share a trophy, it's like saying BOTH teams have lost.

You never feel like having won a shared trophy.

I would rather have a full game and lose than do this shared trophy crap.

If ICC has any sense, they would reschedule this WTC final again if it gets rained off.

The shared trophy is a complete and utter farce.

 

[Rajdeep]

Before even opening the thread, I kind of guessed who is the OP

How would ECB know in advance that it will rain? Weather is not in anyone's hand. It was bright and sunny last week and its suppose to be sunny again next week. Its just unfortunate that rain appeared exactly on the day of WTC finals. England is one of the best place to play test cricket.

ICC can however postpone the test by a week since both Ind and NZ are free anyway.

 

[CanadianG00se]

When you share a trophy, it's like saying BOTH teams have lost.

You never feel like having won a shared trophy.

I would rather have a full game and lose than do this shared trophy crap.

If ICC has any sense, they would reschedule this WTC final again if it gets rained off.

The shared trophy is a complete and utter farce.

If ICC had any common sense they would have avoided hosting an event in England during month of June. They haven’t learned anything from last World Cup with so many games impacted with rain.

WTC was supposed to be pinnacle of cricket? Lol a joke of a tournament from the very beginning. I do wish this game gets washed out and ICC loses money.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I wonder how some people can sleep perfectly well at night knowing that they have broken hearts of a billion people.

Just saying.

Btw, I cheered for Wade Barret even during his Nexus days against John Cena.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

While I agree England is probably the worst country to hold any ICC tournament, this test is not even the most significant for India. Average Indians care far more about tests played against Australia (even though tests themselves are not very popular in India).

If this test got cancelled, not many people would even know let alone care. Still, England is not a good place to host tournaments.

 

[Kaptan]

Before even opening the thread, I kind of guessed who is the OP

How would ECB know in advance that it will rain? Weather is not in anyone's hand. It was bright and sunny last week and its suppose to be sunny again next week. Its just unfortunate that rain appeared exactly on the day of WTC finals. England is one of the best place to play test cricket.

ICC can however postpone the test by a week since both Ind and NZ are free anyway.

Almost all ICC events held in England were turned into damb squib at some point, due to rain.

CT13 - Final almost washed off
CT17 - Various games were affected.
WC19 - Various games abandoned including Pak vs Sri Lanka. Semifinal was a farce.
And now this.

 

[Ab Fan]

Almost all ICC events held in England were turned into damb squib at some point, due to rain.

CT13 - Final almost washed off
CT17 - Various games were affected.
WC19 - Various games abandoned including Pak vs Sri Lanka. Semifinal was a farce.
And now this.

I disagree. WC '19 and WC'99 are arguably the most entertaining World Cup ever and that is because they were held in England.

 

[Ab Fan]

England should have gracefully opted out of hosting this final knowing well in advance rains could play spoilsport.

They have done a disservice to Cricket bg jeopardizing what is probably the most important and historic test match even ever.

Many fans now have the right to hold England responsible.

Dear brother, please do owe an apology to England board and fans in case due to Day 1 being washed out, we get to watch an entertaining and thrilling final session on Final Day with about 100 odd runs to win and 5 wickets left.

The reason why I say so is because there is a good chance for that as both teams have got very good bowling attack and in England conditions, 350-400 overs could be enough for a result in the test match including the reserve day.

 

[Last Monetarist]

I disagree. WC '19 and WC'99 are arguably the most entertaining World Cup ever and that is because they were held in England.

Nah, tournaments in the subcontinent are always more fun because of the importance of the outcome to the public, the result always seems that tad bit more crucial with a South Asian crowd. Personally preferred 1996 and 2011 to any of the events held in England.

The weather in England often ruins the tournament.

 

[Ab Fan]

Nah, tournaments in the subcontinent are always more fun because of the importance of the result to the public, the result always seems that tad bit more crucial with a South Asian crowd. Personally preferred 1996 and 2011 to any of the events held in England.

The weather in England often ruins the tournament.

Obviously the craze for a limited over world tournament will always be higher in subcontinent compared to outside but in terms of entertainment value in the match and thriller climax, both 1999 and 2019 produced some terrific matches which will probably go down as one of the greatest World Cup matches of all-time.

1999 Aus Vs SA and 2019 Eng Vs NZ still is remembered as two of the most iconic matches in a world event.

 

[Last Monetarist]

Obviously the craze for a limited over world tournament will always be higher in subcontinent compared to outside but in terms of entertainment value on field, both 1999 and 2019 produced some terrific matches which will probably go down as one of the greatest World Cup matches of all-time.

1999 Aus Vs SA and 2019 Eng Vs NZ still is remembered as two of the most iconic matches in a world event.

Those two matches are remembered for the wrong reasons i.e. incompetent passages of play and rubbish rules, not for the quality of cricket on display. The last World Cup was particularly ruined by the weather in the early stages and didn't really recover. The fact that one of the semi-finals was played over two days was another farce.

1999 was akin to 2007 given that any domestic interest in the tournament dwindled after England's failure to progress. Pakistan's incompetence in the final also cheapened the event.

The quality of cricket in 1996 and 2011 was higher in my view, and the stories were more heartwarming: Sri Lanka's victory from nowhere and Tendulkar's redemption.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Hilarious post.

 

[Rajdeep]

Almost all ICC events held in England were turned into damb squib at some point, due to rain.

CT13 - Final almost washed off
CT17 - Various games were affected.
WC19 - Various games abandoned including Pak vs Sri Lanka. Semifinal was a farce.
And now this.

Again weather is not in anyones control. ICC Champions trophy 2002 was shared due to relentless rain in Srilanka, half of 92 WC games were spoiled due to rain, overs reduced from much hyped Ind-Pak t20 WC 2016 game in Eden Gardens, same was the case for Asia cup 2016 finals in Dhaka etc.

Euros, Tennis, Royal Ascot everything going on smoothly here....even womens test match is going on uniterrupted. Its just bad luck that rain came hard on the same venue and same day of this WTC finals.

As I said before, ICC should move the game to next friday since weather is clearing up from next week.

 

[UzmanBeast]

England was a horrible venue for the WTC Final. In a final like this, you need a venue that doesn't openly support one team and also one which is not subject to environmental changes like rain.

We all knew that it was going to rain in England, there was no question about it. It was expected that at least one day would be completely washed out.

A better venue could have been the West Indies in my mind, it doesn't give an unfair advantage to either team and neither NZ nor IND have played there in recent times.

NZ have just completed a series in England, and it gives them an unfair advantage regarding the conditions present.

The ICC has really disappointed in a lot of things over the last few years, and this just adds to the list. A pathetic, feeble organization.

 

[Shaddy86]

This particular week of the year is usually the best time of the year in terms of weather + longest days of the year. Its just unfortunate this time around. If only it had been last week's weather this week. Really can't fault ICC or ECB, they chose the best week of the year, it just wasn't meant to be.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

England should apologize for not controlling the weather. I mean it is a bigger sin than not controlling a bio bubble.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

yeh kuch zyada hi ho gaya Bhaijaan.. It rained yesterday a lot even in Melbourne.. imagine if match was scheduled here.

Hopefully our Pace Daemons unleash something special.

 

[MP2011]

Almost all ICC events held in England were turned into damb squib at some point, due to rain.

CT13 - Final almost washed off
CT17 - Various games were affected.
WC19 - Various games abandoned including Pak vs Sri Lanka. Semifinal was a farce.
And now this.

This. It's seriously lame to host a final in England, with England not being one of the finalists. Poor weather for cricket is double whammy.

Also, England gets seriously disproportionate share of world tourneys given its seriously poor weather and limited number of months it can operate in.

 

[Bhaijaan]

A lot of overreaction from 'some' people.

Bad light, draws, rains etc etc are all part of the beautiful spectacle that is a test match and it is only fair that the grand daddy fo all test matches, the WTC Final also features some of thse unique elements exclusive to Cricket.

Weird for some maybe but this aspect of test cricket is kind of beautiful as well.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

England should have gracefully opted out of hosting this final knowing well in advance rains could play spoilsport.

They have done a disservice to Cricket bg jeopardizing what is probably the most important and historic test match even ever.

Many fans now have the right to hold England responsible.

A lot of overreaction from 'some' people.

Bad light, draws, rains etc etc are all part of the beautiful spectacle that is a test match and it is only fair that the grand daddy fo all test matches, the WTC Final also features some of thse unique elements exclusive to Cricket.

Weird for some maybe but this aspect of test cricket is kind of beautiful as well.

Nice u-turn there bhaijaan.

 

[sharmaji]

No they don't. They have done nothing to apologise for.

 

[Amjid Javed]

What a laughable thread. Rain can sadly happen in the UK in the summer.

i remember the 2002 Champions trophy in Sri lanka being shared (ODI) due to pretty much 2 days of rain when final occurred. Did SL apologise to everyone then?

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

England should also apologize for inventing cricket and bringing it to the disgraceful shores of Indian subcontinenet. Fans like the OP justify my statement.

 

[Devadwal]

NZ getting all the advantage here .they gets 2 test match before WTC final vs England .now overcast condition , couldn't more ask

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

WTC final is a complete farce.

Just so damn angry lol.

The only format I care these days and this happens.

 

[Slim]

Bhaijaan, england should apologise for introducing cricket to India. All this agony stems from there.

 

[Bhaijaan]

To all my Indian brethren, i am with you. I feel your sadness, your pain, your frustrations.

I will fight for your just cause always.

 

[ssuhaide]

Rain can happen at any time in the English summer. July and August although historically slightly drier can suffer rain too. If the test match had been held a week earlier there would not have been issues as the first two weeks in June have been very warm and dry.

Not a reason to take away tournaments from England. If anything any semi final / final should have 2 or even 3 reserve rain days to try and counter the elements.

 

[King_Kohli]

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[BDfanforever]

The whole "tournament" itself was a farce. That is where the main problem lies, we all know English weather will always suck.

Why do you think subcontinent movies and TV shows are garbage? Because audience never demands high quality products.

Since no one complained about a tournament lasting for 2 to 3 years, this kind of end result was imminent. If the audience don't demand high quality products from Cricket organizers we will soon have "green ball" Test.

 

[zn426]

Why not have a retractable roof stadium to hold finals and critical matches in? At this point the rain is a proven issue. It needs to be resolved. Baseball and American football do it. It's time for cricket to get with the times.

 

[hitthestump]

Why not have a retractable roof stadium to hold finals and critical matches in? At this point the rain is a proven issue. It needs to be resolved. Baseball and American football do it. It's time for cricket to get with the times.

Pretty obviously because the conditions would change too much

 

[Buffet]

Rain aside, I would have liked to see 3 tests for finals.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Was WTC meant to create more interest in test cricket?

Great job done ICC.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

The whole "tournament" itself was a farce. That is where the main problem lies, we all know English weather will always suck.

Why do you think subcontinent movies and TV shows are garbage? Because audience never demands high quality products.

Since no one complained about a tournament lasting for 2 to 3 years, this kind of end result was imminent. If the audience don't demand high quality products from Cricket organizers we will soon have "green ball" Test.

Very good point.

How do you think we can demand good quality products?

The people who want the good quality product are few and far in between.

So we get the cricket version of Radhe: Your Most Wanted Bhai.

 

[Ab Fan]

Very good point.

How do you think we can demand good quality products?

The people who want the good quality product are few and far in between.

So we get the cricket version of Radhe: Your Most Wanted Bhai.

I think once a subcontinent team wins a WTC, the interest in Test Cricket will increase too among subcontinent fans because a final of any tournament is ultimately a final. It will still be restricted to limited set of fans but then Test Cricket ain't for all as one might not be willing to spend that much time on Tests unless he/she is a big cricket enthusiast.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I am sure Boris Becker would have already called PM Modi by now.

 

[MenInG]

Former India captain Sunil Gavaskar feels the ICC should find a way to decide a winner in case the rain-hit World Test Championship final between India and New Zealand here ends in a draw. Day 5 Blog | News | Scorecard | Playing Conditions

The ongoing match has been affected by English weather with the opening and fourth day washed out completely, while play has been disrupted frequently due to bad light.

Even though there is a reserve day but with no play possible for two out of the first four days, the match might end in a draw if inclement weather continues to play spoilsport.

"There must be a formula to pick a winner in case of a drawn World Test Championship final. ICC's cricket committee should think and then take a decision," Gavaskar told 'Aaj Tak'.

There is unlikely to be any change in the rules in this edition as the ICC had made it clear last month that India and New Zealand will share the trophy in case of a draw or a tie.

"It seems that the World Test Championship final will end up as a draw and the trophy will be shared. This will be the first time that the trophy will be shared in a final," Gavaskar said.

"To complete three innings in two days would be really difficult. Yes, if both teams bat really badly, the three innings could be completed."

A total of 141.1 overs have been bowled so far in the WTC final and with 196 overs still left in the match, a result is possible if weather permits.

The former skipper urged the ICC to find a tie-breaker to determine a winner and cited the examples of other sports such as football and tennis.

"In football, they have a penalty shoot out or they have some other method to decide a winner. In Tennis, there are five sets and there is a tie-breaker," he said.

India were bundled out for 217 in their first innings and New Zealand were 101 for 2, still trailing by 116 runs.

OUTLOOK

 

[Saurav]

Former India captain Sunil Gavaskar feels the ICC should find a way to decide a winner in case the rain-hit World Test Championship final between India and New Zealand here ends in a draw. Day 5 Blog | News | Scorecard | Playing Conditions

The ongoing match has been affected by English weather with the opening and fourth day washed out completely, while play has been disrupted frequently due to bad light.

Even though there is a reserve day but with no play possible for two out of the first four days, the match might end in a draw if inclement weather continues to play spoilsport.

"There must be a formula to pick a winner in case of a drawn World Test Championship final. ICC's cricket committee should think and then take a decision," Gavaskar told 'Aaj Tak'.

There is unlikely to be any change in the rules in this edition as the ICC had made it clear last month that India and New Zealand will share the trophy in case of a draw or a tie.

"It seems that the World Test Championship final will end up as a draw and the trophy will be shared. This will be the first time that the trophy will be shared in a final," Gavaskar said.

"To complete three innings in two days would be really difficult. Yes, if both teams bat really badly, the three innings could be completed."

A total of 141.1 overs have been bowled so far in the WTC final and with 196 overs still left in the match, a result is possible if weather permits.

The former skipper urged the ICC to find a tie-breaker to determine a winner and cited the examples of other sports such as football and tennis.

"In football, they have a penalty shoot out or they have some other method to decide a winner. In Tennis, there are five sets and there is a tie-breaker," he said.

India were bundled out for 217 in their first innings and New Zealand were 101 for 2, still trailing by 116 runs.

OUTLOOK

Does he want super over to decide WTC final?

 

[Saurav]

Why not have a retractable roof stadium to hold finals and critical matches in? At this point the rain is a proven issue. It needs to be resolved. Baseball and American football do it. It's time for cricket to get with the times.

I'm told cost is an issue

 

[Bhaijaan]

Former India captain Sunil Gavaskar feels the ICC should find a way to decide a winner in case the rain-hit World Test Championship final between India and New Zealand here ends in a draw. Day 5 Blog | News | Scorecard | Playing Conditions

The ongoing match has been affected by English weather with the opening and fourth day washed out completely, while play has been disrupted frequently due to bad light.

Even though there is a reserve day but with no play possible for two out of the first four days, the match might end in a draw if inclement weather continues to play spoilsport.

"There must be a formula to pick a winner in case of a drawn World Test Championship final. ICC's cricket committee should think and then take a decision," Gavaskar told 'Aaj Tak'.

There is unlikely to be any change in the rules in this edition as the ICC had made it clear last month that India and New Zealand will share the trophy in case of a draw or a tie.

"It seems that the World Test Championship final will end up as a draw and the trophy will be shared. This will be the first time that the trophy will be shared in a final," Gavaskar said.

"To complete three innings in two days would be really difficult. Yes, if both teams bat really badly, the three innings could be completed."

A total of 141.1 overs have been bowled so far in the WTC final and with 196 overs still left in the match, a result is possible if weather permits.

The former skipper urged the ICC to find a tie-breaker to determine a winner and cited the examples of other sports such as football and tennis.

"In football, they have a penalty shoot out or they have some other method to decide a winner. In Tennis, there are five sets and there is a tie-breaker," he said.

India were bundled out for 217 in their first innings and New Zealand were 101 for 2, still trailing by 116 runs.

OUTLOOK

Does he want super over to decide WTC final?

Match terms and conditions cannot and should never be changed while it's being played. It has to be pre decided and with oral or written agreement from both teams just like they decide on whether to use floodlights or not or at what light reading would the play be called off.

The conditions have impacted the way some of the players have performed. You cannot just undo their hardwork by changing terms on tje last day like this.

Respect Sunil Gavaskar. In my opinion, easily the second greatest ever test batsman and arguably the greatest modern era test batsman but I hate it when greats like him, Imran, Tendulkar at times come up with these lame suggestions in the name of being an out of the box thinker.

 

[MenInG]

Make it a limitless Test - only to end when the captains say so!

 

[Last Monetarist]

I'm told cost is an issue

When it comes to stadium financing, the lenders will only look at revenues directly attributable to the asset which can be ringfenced: i.e. gate receipts and hospitality revenues.

Other sports such as tennis that have constructed roofs recently can count on significant gate receipts that can be securitized, for example, Wimbledon were able to raise 125 million pounds from the sale of debenture seats (advance ticket revenue) and had access to significant cash reserves to satisfy the lenders.

Cricket stadiums in the UK, on the other hand, will not generate sufficient revenues to justify the issuance of a competitive financing facility. Furthermore, individual counties aren't sitting on buckets of cash to afford such a huge capital outlay.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Pretty obviously because the conditions would change too much

It will equally change for both teams so it evens out.

I'm told cost is an issue

Why not have a retractable roof stadium to hold finals and critical matches in? At this point the rain is a proven issue. It needs to be resolved. Baseball and American football do it. It's time for cricket to get with the times.

When it comes to stadium financing, the lenders will only look at revenues directly attributable to the asset which can be ringfenced: i.e. gate receipts and hospitality revenues.

Other sports such as tennis that have constructed roofs recently can count on significant gate receipts that can be securitized, for example, Wimbledon were able to raise 125 million pounds from the sale of debenture seats (advance ticket revenue) and had access to significant cash reserves to satisfy the lenders.

Cricket stadiums in the UK, on the other hand, will not generate sufficient revenues to justify the issuance of a competitive financing facility. Furthermore, individual counties aren't sitting on buckets of cash to afford such a huge capital outlay.

These days cost is not the issue for those in charge of the fiat currency.
USA has broken the whatever undocumented rules and regulations were in-place in the global finance game.
They printed several trillion dollars in 2020 alone.

And now it’s no holds barred for all.

It will probably cost around 7 to 10 Billion British pounds if they build a retractable roof stadium from scratch - and probably a lot less if they use an existing stadium and build a retractable roof on top it.

The one in Toronto has a genius design for the retractable roof.
The entire stadium cost around US$ 5 Billion.

So, printing an additional 10 billion pounds is just a petty change in front of what Americans did.

ECB needs to team up with British Govr n print the money and share the revenues.

The other option is, build the stadium to accommodate additional sports and get enough cash from all sports bodies to put 50% to 70% down and get the rest financed. The banks shouldn’t have much of a problem to finance the remaining 50% to 30% when they gonna calculate the revenues generated by more than one sports.

 

[HitWicket]

It will equally change for both teams so it evens out.









These days cost is not the issue for those in charge of the fiat currency.
USA has broken the whatever undocumented rules and regulations were in-place in the global finance game.
They printed several trillion dollars in 2020 alone.

And now it’s no holds barred for all.

It will probably cost around 7 to 10 Billion British pounds if they build a retractable roof stadium from scratch - and probably a lot less if they use an existing stadium and build a retractable roof on top it.

The one in Toronto has a genius design for the retractable roof.
The entire stadium cost around US$ 5 Billion.

So, printing an additional 10 billion pounds is just a petty change in front of what Americans did.

ECB needs to team up with British Govr n print the money and share the revenues.

The other option is, build the stadium to accommodate additional sports and get enough cash from all sports bodies to put 50% to 70% down and get the rest financed. The banks shouldn’t have much of a problem to finance the remaining 50% to 30% when they gonna calculate the revenues generated by more than one sports.

There's absolutely no incentive for any other sport to go in with the ECB for a shared stadium with a roof.

It's completely financially unfeasible.

 

[RamLakhan]

Does he want super over to decide WTC final?

Perhaps! But this super over should be like whether you can preserve your wicket by getting not out & testing your patience! Super Over can be stopped as soon as wicket falls... India can send Pujara & Ashwin for this cause and Shami with the ball... If wickets don't fall in 1 super over, they can go for 2nd super over with some rules...

 

[RamLakhan]

If they can give 1 more reserve day (7th day), then definitely there will be result in this game! Just 1 more day...

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Ok guys here's a question:

How come there are a billion cricket stadiums in the world and not one without a roof?

I mean how can so many stadiums be funded but not a roof?

Serious question.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Ok guys here's a question:

How come there are a billion cricket stadiums in the world and not one without a roof?

I mean how can so many stadiums be funded but not a roof?

Serious question.

Cricket stadiums are bigger and it makes no financial sense to invest a ton of money on a roof just to protect marquee games.

Like how many WTC finals have been played and when would the same venue host another of such a match?

This is just the nature of the game of cricket. You live by the sword and you die by the sword. A draw, a wash out are very much part of what cricket is all about.

The quest for an undisputed champion is a thing for boxing maybe. It shouldn't apply to cricket the same way.

 

[gazza619]

Why not add one more reserve day? Worth it, no?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Cricket stadiums are bigger and it makes no financial sense to invest a ton of money on a roof just to protect marquee games.

Like how many WTC finals have been played and when would the same venue host another of such a match?

This is just the nature of the game of cricket. You live by the sword and you die by the sword. A draw, a wash out are very much part of what cricket is all about.

The quest for an undisputed champion is a thing for boxing maybe. It shouldn't apply to cricket the same way.

Is it financial cost or desire to do so?

Why can't the main stadium in each country have roofs considering a ton of finals & important games will be played there?

Main stadiums of the Big 3 nations will host a lot of finals moving forward. They already do.

If cost is prohibitively expensive, how come so many stadiums are funded but a roof is out of question?

 

[OMB]

Why does England owe an apology?
You reckon India or Pakistan would apologise for a rained off test.

If at all, ICC should apologise. This game was supposed to rekindle love for the test cricket and ICC should have had plan B & C ready

 

[Bhaijaan]

Is it financial cost or desire to do so?

Why can't the main stadium in each country have roofs considering a ton of finals & important games will be played there?

Main stadiums of the Big 3 nations will host a lot of finals moving forward. They already do.

If cost is prohibitively expensive, how come so many stadiums are funded but a roof is out of question?

1. How many finals have been jeopardized by rains in history?
2 .Is the sample size enough to justify investment / and maintenance cost?
3. Are there not other cost effective solutions to the problem apart from adding a giant roof.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Timless test is the best, most practical and cost effective solution to the problem.

 

[OMB]

Timless test is the best, most practical and cost effective solution to the problem.

What about DLS to be applied for each test innings? with some modification factor for "overs bowled in rain" vs "dry overs" and "new ball vs old ball"

 

[Last Monetarist]

Ok guys here's a question:

How come there are a billion cricket stadiums in the world and not one without a roof?

I mean how can so many stadiums be funded but not a roof?

Serious question.

It's due to the prohibitive cost of construction in the UK, just as an example the cost of constructing a roof on Court 1 at Wimbledon cost around 200 million pounds recently. If you consider the dimensions of a cricket stadium, you're looking at a cost easily north of 350 million pounds for installing a roof that covers the playing area.

Counties in the UK have recently struggled to raise financing for stand refurbishments at Lord's, Headingley, Old Trafford, which have cost about 50-60 million pounds. So you can imagine why a roof is utterly out of the question for them.

Then there are significant maintenance and lifecycle costs that add up the burden during the operations phase. Counties are cash-strapped as it is and the bigger ones tend to emphasize hospitality revenues from concerts and exhibitions to cover costs.

It might be possible to install roofs in India though given the comparatively lower construction costs, but is there much utility for the BCCI?

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

Ok guys here's a question:

How come there are a billion cricket stadiums in the world and not one without a roof?

I mean how can so many stadiums be funded but not a roof?

Serious question.

How can you play test cricket in a stadium with roof? You mean pink ball test? I would not mind it tbh

 

[Bhaijaan]

What about DLS to be applied for each test innings? with some modification factor for "overs bowled in rain" vs "dry overs" and "new ball vs old ball"

Its test cricket not mickey mouse cricket.

Timeless test is an idea taken directly from test cricket history and totally belongs to this format.

DLS does not belong to test cricket and no such white ball gimmicks should ever be added to this format.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

There's absolutely no incentive for any other sport to go in with the ECB for a shared stadium with a roof.

It's completely financially unfeasible.

well, we got the result we wanted. NZ wins!

Let's scrape the retractable roof plans.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Ok guys here's a question:

How come there are a billion cricket stadiums in the world and not one without a roof?

I mean how can so many stadiums be funded but not a roof?

Serious question.

Wasn't there a stadium in Australia with a roof? Or was it somewhere else?

 

[OMB]

'Who gave them the idea that such a pitch should be used?': Inzamam says batsmen went 'invisible' in WTC final


Former Pakistan captain Inzamam-Ul-Haq appeared perplexed with the kind of pitch used for the WTC final and expressed surprise over it.


Despite two days getting washed out, the World Test Championship final managed to squeeze out enough time to deliver a result as New Zealand beat India by eight wickets to lift the inaugural WTC crown. With persistent rain washing away two entire days – Day 1 and Day 4 – the general consensus was that the outcome would be a draw. But India's fragile batting led them down as they could not bat out three sessions on the final day.

As a matter of fact, batting was never easy through the WTC final. With overcast conditions prevailing at the Ageas Bowl five out of six days, the situation was tailor-made for the bowlers and not so much for batsmen. India were bowled out for 217 and 170, while New Zealand managed 249 in the first innings, and weighing in on the same, former Pakistan captain Inzamam-Ul-Haq pointed fingers at the pitch that was used for the summit clash. In fact, he appeared perplexed with the pitch and expressed surprise over it.

"This Test match was six days long, and out of that almost four days saw consistent rain and still it got over within 2.5 days. No one mentioned this that who gave the idea that such a pitch should be used for the World Test Championship final, where only the bowlers were visible but the batting side went invisible? First thing is I don't understand is that for such a big game, how can you prepare such a pitch," Inzamam said on his YouTube channel.

One of the many debates the result threw up was the possibility of the WTC final being changed into the best-of-three-matches going forward. And while Inzamam's thoughts weren't exactly on similar lines, he did outline a couple of alterations which could be followed to make the final more 'fair'.

"My advice is that you make it two Tests, devise a points system, play one game in New Zealand – or whoever is the finalist – and the other in India. The result would have come out fairer in that case. If it were like the World Cup, where every match is played in the same country including the final, then it was different. So, it is just my opinion that in the future WTCs, the finals should be on a home and away basis, hosted by both the finalists," he said.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/only-bowlers-were-visible-but-the-batting-side-went-invisible-inzamam-ul-haq-questions-pitch-used-for-wtc-final-between-india-and-new-zealand-101625113980136.html