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Does India have a better bowling attack than Pakistan right now?

In tests - Yes, but not by much. If Indian bowling lineup performs in its next abroad in its next tours, I will call them evens.

In ODIs - Yes, a by a bit. Thats because, a) The Indian lineup has out bowled Pakistan in ICC events consistently. b) Until now, we had the Dhoni effect, who was really good in restricting totals. This could be a big factor which made the Indian bowling more effective. Lets see if Kohli can manage that.
 
Sidilicious said:
b) Until now, we had the Dhoni effect, who was really good in restricting totals. This could be a big factor which made the Indian bowling more effective. Lets see if Kohli can manage that.
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That is delusional. Dhoni did not make Indian bowling look more effective. Under dhoni we have conceded many runs to opposition many times.Maybe someone can help me with stats keeping some criteria like more than 300 scored by opposition and compare it to other teams just for some basis.
 
aniket1911 said:
Everybody and their dogs know that pandya is probably the worst bowler to play for India in recent times.
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Pandya was India's best bowler in the 1st and 3rd ODI against England, he only got thrashed in the 2nd ODI where almost every bowler from both sides got thrashed. He has had quite a few good matches, including one against Bangladesh.
 
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Napa said:
Pandya was India's best bowler in the 1st and 3rd ODI against England, he only got thrashed in the 2nd ODI where almost every bowler from both sides got thrashed. He has had quite a few good matches, including one against Bangladesh.
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I like pandya as well, but even staunchest of pandya's supporter have to agree that he's a rubbish bowler. Let's not get deceived by those stats, except for the last ODI, his bowling was abysmal to say the least. No variation, change of pace whatsoever. It is incumbent of him to learn a thing or two in bowling and not hope for fluke wickets everytime, which I admit he has special knack of.
 
Not a big fan of Paṇḍya's bowling but you need to beat Dinda, Vinay, Harvinder and a lot many others to be called India's worst bowler ever. Paṇḍya is not even close.
 
Statsman said:
Not a big fan of Paṇḍya's bowling but you need to beat Dinda, Vinay, Harvinder and a lot many others to be called India's worst bowler ever. Paṇḍya is not even close.
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Only need to beat Jaydev Unadkat.He is the best from the rear end currently.
 
aniket1911 said:
I like pandya as well, but even staunchest of pandya's supporter have to agree that he's a rubbish bowler. Let's not get deceived by those stats, except for the last ODI, his bowling was abysmal to say the least. No variation, change of pace whatsoever. It is incumbent of him to learn a thing or two in bowling and not hope for fluke wickets everytime, which I admit he has special knack of.
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Bro nobody denies he gets fluke wickets but he actually bowls some wicket taking balls in between.He is constantly progressing in bowling. His lengths are ideal for tests in my opinion not odi's. His batting on the other hand is not improving much. Cross batted slogs and smashes would run out of luck eventually.
Variations would be too much to learn for him now.Also variations are developed naturally
 
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Pollack said:
Bro nobody denies he gets fluke wickets but he actually bowls some wicket taking balls in between.He is constantly progressing in bowling. His lengths are ideal for tests in my opinion not odi's.[b/] His batting on the other hand is not improving much. Cross batted slogs and smashes would run out of luck eventually.
Variations would be too much to learn for him now.Also variations are developed naturally
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I agree with the bolded part. I would love nothing more than to see him turn into a decent all-rounder, with age on his side, he has all the opportunity in the world to do so. But this nagging fear that he might turn out a dud like our previous pacs all-rounders - I refrain from hyping him up and scrutinize his flaws, with unalienable desire that he succeed.
 
aniket1911 said:
I agree with the bolded part. I would love nothing more than to see him turn into a decent all-rounder, with age on his side, he has all the opportunity in the world to do so. But this nagging fear that he might turn out a dud like our previous pacs all-rounders - I refrain from hyping him up and scrutinize his flaws, with unalienable desire that he succeed.
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Fair enough.Even I believe in not hyping players too much only to disappoint us.
 
Hadi Rizvi said:
Tell me, were Imad, Junaid and Hassan Ali or even Amir (he made his comeback at the end of 2015) present exactly 2 years ago??

As I said before we are talking about the CURRENT lineups. 2 years ago we had the likes of Rahat, Ehsan Adil, Sohail Khan, Wahab Riaz and Irfan, none of whom except for Wahab have played an ODI in recent tours.

I can't think of a worst comparison than
Amir, Hasan, Junaid vs Bumrah, Bhuvi, Pandya

I mean seriously they're not even comparable :)) :)))
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I really didn't want to do it brother but I told you so..:jf
 
In ODI's too. Our bowlers averaged a pathetic 51 or so when we toured Australia last year. Pakistan are currently averaging around 48 with the ball.Not much difference at all.
 
I'll take B Kumar & Shami above any of the Pakistani bowlers, unless you guys brought back Asif.

Obviously India's spin attack is mile better too.

Pakistan's bowling attack is a poor mans India's currently.
 
At least our bowling attack doesn't get the needless hype.

269/0 in 40 overs. Abysmal.
 
Imagine Pakistani bowlers playing all their matches on similar battas. Would they still have anyone with records comparable to Shami, Bhuvi or Bumrah? Highly unlikely.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
In ODI's too. Our bowlers averaged a pathetic 51 or so when we toured Australia last year. Pakistan are currently averaging around 48 with the ball.Not much difference at all.
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In that series our bowlers averaged 58, Aussie bowlers averaged 56!!

In the current series Pakistani bowlers have averaged 46, Aussies are at 30 (one more innings to go!!
 
Abdullah719 said:
So Indian batsmen are better than Pakistan batsmen? I agree. ;-)
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For that you have to compare how the batting units have performed

We averaged 51 with the bat, 58 with the ball. Aussies averaged 53 with the bat and 56 with the ball.

Pakistan team is averaging 29 with the bat and 46 with the ball, Aus are averaging 41 with bat and 30 with the ball

Draw your own conclusions please :)
 
ShoonyaSifar said:
For that you have to compare how the batting units have performed

We averaged 51 with the bat, 58 with the ball. Aussies averaged 53 with the bat and 56 with the ball.

Pakistan team is averaging 29 with the bat and 46 with the ball, Aus are averaging 41 with bat and 30 with the ball

Draw your own conclusions please :)
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Wow you are right brother . The scoreline of 4-1 may be the same but we competed better. #Moral victory :srini
 
ShoonyaSifar said:
For that you have to compare how the batting units have performed

We averaged 51 with the bat, 58 with the ball. Aussies averaged 53 with the bat and 56 with the ball.

Pakistan team is averaging 29 with the bat and 46 with the ball, Aus are averaging 41 with bat and 30 with the ball

Draw your own conclusions please :)
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Australia>India>Pakistan? :13:

I don't think there is much between the two bowling units to be honest, would be interested in seeing how a settled Pak unit goes under a new captain - but I don't expect much if Azhar stays as captain.
 
ShoonyaSifar said:
For that you have to compare how the batting units have performed

We averaged 51 with the bat, 58 with the ball. Aussies averaged 53 with the bat and 56 with the ball.

Pakistan team is averaging 29 with the bat and 46 with the ball, Aus are averaging 41 with bat and 30 with the ball

Draw your own conclusions please :)
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Bolwing average without ER is not going to tell you much in ODI format. I will happily take 300/10 as compared to 280/3.
 
Varun said:
At least our bowling attack doesn't get the needless hype.

269/0 in 40 overs. Abysmal.
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To be honest, I always knew the Indian bowling attack was good in tournaments but pretty mediocre otherwise in jamodis and other bilaterals. However Pakistan's bowling has been trashy in the last few years ever since Ajmal went. So it was a bit of a surprise for me to see people rating Pak LOI bowling better than the Indian LOI bowling. Despite being quite average itself, the Indian bowling has been still better than the Pak one in the last few years. It is in tests Pakistan had a good bowling with Yasir spearheading the attack.
 
India surely has a brilliant captain and great fielders who make their bowlers better. I dont think our bowlers are poor quality but are always let down by poor fielding
 
street cricketer said:
To be honest, I always knew the Indian bowling attack was good in tournaments but pretty mediocre otherwise in jamodis and other bilaterals. However Pakistan's bowling has been trashy in the last few years ever since Ajmal went. So it was a bit of a surprise for me to see people rating Pak LOI bowling better than the Indian LOI bowling. Despite being quite average itself, the Indian bowling has been still better than the Pak one in the last few years. It is in tests Pakistan had a good bowling with Yasir spearheading the attack.
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It all comes down to the fact that India has a supreme batting line-up, and such is consensus. Pakistan fans don't want to be left behind and want something that is the 'best' of their own, hence they prime up their bowling.

Never mind the fact that every year sees 3 or 4 new faces because the previous ones have been smashed into oblivion. And leave alone that the current lot are par for the course by global standards, conceding 300 and 350+ scores with regularity.
 
Syed1 said:
Exactly that is what my premise was. You cannot rate India's bowling line better than Pakistan's because this is a completely revamped Pakistani bowling line up and has played less than 5 matches together. However, in those 4 matches they have shown more fight than what India did when they were down under.
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Like I said a few days ago, this isn't a "completely revamped" ODI attack as you claim it to be. At best you can call it minorly rehashed. Look at the bowlers today with debut years....

Amir (2009)
JK (2011)
Wahab (2008)
Malik (1999)
Hafeez (2003)
Hasan Ali (2016)

All except Ali have been playing for Pakistan for many many years.
 
Varun said:
It all comes down to the fact that India has a supreme batting line-up, and such is consensus. Pakistan fans don't want to be left behind and want something that is the 'best' of their own, hence they prime up their bowling.

Never mind the fact that every year sees 3 or 4 new faces because the previous ones have been smashed into oblivion. And leave alone that the current lot are par for the course by global standards, conceding 300 and 350+ scores with regularity.
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Read comment above yours.:jf
 
Right now Pakistan is not good in anything, nothing is working. We are playing 80s cricket in every department, I wish bowling was 80s style, but it's worse than we have ever seen. We don't have fast bowlers, we lost even reverse skills, everybody else is better than us in death, we used to be best.

Bowlers are very one dimensional, Both Amir and Wahab are our only fast bowler, but they have limited skill set.

Amir cannot bowl Yorkers or reverse the ball, not to mention with new ball, he is little too short to be effective. He is shallow of himself forget about great Wasim.

Wahab is very limited in his skills, with his release, no control or consistency ever achieved or would be possible.

Why we are keeping these bowlers? - well we don't have any fast bowlers in 200M population. Nobody bowls at 145 clicks even a wide or no ball at that pace. AUS/SA even India has 4/5 bowlers at this pace. We don't have raw material anymore forget about finish product...In order to make a steak, you need to have cow first, you cannot make a steak from chicken 👺👺👺
 
Worth asking the question at this time.

What do you reckon?
 
Pakistan's best possible attack at the moment is Amir, Hasan, Shah and one other seamer.

India's best is Shami, Ishant, Ashwin and one other seamer likely Bumrah.

Pretty even to me. Amir brings a bit of x factor and Shah is the superior spinner. Hasan and bUmrah are still building their test careers.

However, since this seems to be brought up by the England test series, Pakistan have performed better here, and won more tests, so there is that.
 
barah_admi said:
Pakistan's best possible attack at the moment is Amir, Hasan, Shah and one other seamer.

India's best is Shami, Ishant, Ashwin and one other seamer likely Bumrah.

Pretty even to me. Amir brings a bit of x factor and Shah is the superior spinner. Hasan and bUmrah are still building their test careers.

However, since this seems to be brought up by the England test series, Pakistan have performed better here, and won more tests, so there is that.
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Must be nice living in your own little fantasy world.
 
There was some stats for the last couple of years in some other thread for each bowling unit.
 
the_outsider said:
Must be nice living in your own little fantasy world.
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You keep coming up and trying to make jokes on my posts, when I reply with actual facts or well written responses, you run off. Shah is a leg spinner with a ten for at Lord's , a match winning spell a couple of tests after that and was the highest wicket taker after a set number of test matches, also being one of the fastest to reach various mile stones. He has 19 wickets in 4 games against England, whereas Ashwin has 13 in 6.

On top of just the numbers, he is better when one watches with his eyes. More variety, mroe accuracy, more cerebral. Ashwin is good, Shah is better, I think many would agree. Warne himself said he's the best leggy he has seen since himself.

Amir is a better bowler than the Indian pacers, more variety, more pace and a better knack of picking up big wickets. I think most in India would rather have Amir than Bhuvi.
 
barah_admi said:
You keep coming up and trying to make jokes on my posts, when I reply with actual facts or well written responses, you run off. Shah is a leg spinner with a ten for at Lord's , a match winning spell a couple of tests after that and was the highest wicket taker after a set number of test matches, also being one of the fastest to reach various mile stones. He has 19 wickets in 4 games against England, whereas Ashwin has 13 in 6.

On top of just the numbers, he is better when one watches with his eyes. More variety, mroe accuracy, more cerebral. Ashwin is good, Shah is better, I think many would agree. Warne himself said he's the best leggy he has seen since himself.

Amir is a better bowler than the Indian pacers, more variety, more pace and a better knack of picking up big wickets. I think most in India would rather have Amir than Bhuvi.
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Amir averages 40 in tests.

Yasir averages 54 in SENA.

Like I said, you live in your fantasy world.

You're comparing a spinner with 180 odd wickets to someone with over 500.

And you're saying a bower averaging 40 has x-factor. Imagine how bad Amir would be if he didn't have any "x-factor".

PS: I'm sure you will again bring up Yasir's 5fer in England and Amir's CT17 spell. Because in your world a couple of performances is enough to undo a lifetime of mediocrity. As long as the player is from your favourite team.
 
the_outsider said:
Amir averages 40 in tests.

Yasir averages 41 in SENA.

Like I said, you live in your fantasy world.

You're comparing a spinner with 180 odd wickets to someone with over 500.

And you're saying a bower averaging 40 has x-factor. Imagine how bad Amir would be if he didn't have any "x-factor".

PS: I'm sure you will again bring up Yasir's 5fer in England and Amir's CT17 spell. Because in your world a couple of performances is enough to undo a lifetime of mediocrity. As long as the player is from your favourite team.
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Correction.
 
the_outsider said:
Amir averages 40 in tests.

Yasir averages 54 in SENA.

Like I said, you live in your fantasy world.

You're comparing a spinner with 180 odd wickets to someone with over 500.

And you're saying a bower averaging 40 has x-factor. Imagine how bad Amir would be if he didn't have any "x-factor".

PS: I'm sure you will again bring up Yasir's 5fer in England and Amir's CT17 spell. Because in your world a couple of performances is enough to undo a lifetime of mediocrity. As long as the player is from your favourite team.
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Amir has a test bowling average of 31. Before we carry on, tell me why you stated it is 40. If you can adequately explain it, I will be highlighting your posts to the mods.
 
the_outsider said:
Amir averages 33
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barah_admi said:
Amir has a test bowling average of 31. Before we carry on, tell me why you stated it is 40. If you can adequately explain it, I will be highlighting your posts to the mods.
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Already corrected it.

And lol are you issuing a threat? 😂😂 Are we aging cops and robbers now? 😂😂😂

Don't get too caught up in your fantasies, man.
 
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Pakistan was always the champion of bowling and India never better than Pakistan in this aspect....only Australia can come close.
 
Dont know about if better or not... but what matters is they are delivering now.
Indian bowling has been good overseas tests (discounting SL / Zim) since Kohli took over

56 out of possible 60 wickets in WI in 2016
All 60 wickets taken on SA 2018 tour.

On current England tour
1st Test match : 20 wkts ( 274 and 180 runs)
2nd Test match : 9 wkts
3rd Test match : 20 wkts
4th Test match : 10 wkts and yet to bat at time of posting
 
Mahee said:
Pakistan was always the champion of bowling and India never better than Pakistan in this aspect....only Australia can come close.
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Stats from last 3 years show India as the best test bowling team in the world.

Pakistan are not in the top 3.
 
Pakistan bowling and team are not even in the same ball park as No 1 team in world.
 
barah_admi said:
You keep coming up and trying to make jokes on my posts, when I reply with actual facts or well written responses, you run off. Shah is a leg spinner with a ten for at Lord's , a match winning spell a couple of tests after that and was the highest wicket taker after a set number of test matches, also being one of the fastest to reach various mile stones. He has 19 wickets in 4 games against England, whereas Ashwin has 13 in 6.

On top of just the numbers, he is better when one watches with his eyes. More variety, mroe accuracy, more cerebral. Ashwin is good, Shah is better, I think many would agree. Warne himself said he's the best leggy he has seen since himself.

Amir is a better bowler than the Indian pacers, more variety, more pace and a better knack of picking up big wickets. I think most in India would rather have Amir than Bhuvi.
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https://es.pn/2MZljT3

numbers dont lie.
this is the best indian pace attack ever . there are 5 very good backup pacers in india rt now if any of them gets injured

yes aamir is awesome . dont think we need to sponsor his visa. khaleel and rajpoot are v good left arm pacers in india and u will see one of them soon

this indian bowling attack - add the four spinners is the best one in the world in my opinion only cos its got good replacements .
 
Our test bowling lineup is so toothless, its unfair to compare them with Indian one. One day one is matching one however given that Amirs kicks on.

Indian bowling is at their best while Pakistan is close to their worst ever.
 
They are the best in the world, not just Pakistan. Let's see how Pakistan bowlers perform in SA tour. They have already failed in Australia and New Zealand.
 
Pakistan bowling and Indian batting have always been overrated. In the last 25 years, neither Pakistan bowling nor Indian batting, baring a few odd matches, have won them anything significant outside their home countries in test cricket..Hype is the word..
 
A potent pace attack which works very well as a unit outside sub continent and two of the world's best spinners for pitches that offer even slightest of turn. Our best ever all round attack.

Looked at an stat since 2015 (after Kohli became captain), home or away, in 74 innings, we have conceded 400+ only in 4 innings thats roughly 5% innings where the opposition scored heavily!

Similar stats for other teams:
1. South Africa have conceded 400+ in 3 innings out of 68 played (4% 400+ totals)
2. Australia have conceded 400+ in 9 out of 73 innings, including 3 500+ totals. Have got the opposition all out in 62 of these innings (12% 400+ totals)
3. Pakistan have conceded 400+ in 8 out of 50 innings, including 4 500+ totals (16% 400+ totals)
4. England have conceded 400+ in 18 out of 84 innings bowled (22% 400+ totals)
 
cricketindiafan said:
A potent pace attack which works very well as a unit outside sub continent and two of the world's best spinners for pitches that offer even slightest of turn. Our best ever all round attack.

Looked at an stat since 2015 (after Kohli became captain), home or away, in 74 innings, we have conceded 400+ only in 4 innings thats roughly 5% innings where the opposition scored heavily!

Similar stats for other teams:
1. South Africa have conceded 400+ in 3 innings out of 68 played (4% 400+ totals)
2. Australia have conceded 400+ in 9 out of 73 innings, including 3 500+ totals. Have got the opposition all out in 62 of these innings (12% 400+ totals)
3. Pakistan have conceded 400+ in 8 out of 50 innings, including 4 500+ totals (16% 400+ totals)
4. England have conceded 400+ in 18 out of 84 innings bowled (22% 400+ totals)
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Top Post!
 
India has the most well-rounded bowling attack in the world in all formats. Our bowling attack is overrated - we were being carried by Hasan Ali for over a year whose purple patch is now over.

India, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand have better attacks than Pakistan.
 
Pakistan's test bowling attack has not really settled as a group. Abbas has bowled with immaculate control but it's left to be seen what he can do with a kookaburra on flat decks. Hasan Ali hasn't really hit his stride in this format yet but I think he will soon. The real problem is Aamir. He is the weak link in this attack as he is not consistently accurate, found movement or bowled quick enough. Your spinner is good enough and faheem is also a decent 5th seamer.
 
happydavy said:
Pakistan bowling and Indian batting have always been overrated. In the last 25 years, neither Pakistan bowling nor Indian batting, baring a few odd matches, have won them anything significant outside their home countries in test cricket..Hype is the word..
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Well that's just not true.

Maybe in the last 3 years. But there are plenty of instances of both teams succeeding in the last 25 years.
 
the_outsider said:
Already corrected it.

And lol are you issuing a threat? ���� Are we aging cops and robbers now? ������

Don't get too caught up in your fantasies, man.
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You did not correct it, you changed it to 33 when it isn't 33 either.

So, why did you say the average was 40? And since it's not, do you still think Amir is useless?

I mean ,rather than just looking at stats, it would help if you actually watched cricket. YOu might not come over as so mindless.
 
docteurmanish said:
https://es.pn/2MZljT3

numbers dont lie.
this is the best indian pace attack ever . there are 5 very good backup pacers in india rt now if any of them gets injured

yes aamir is awesome . dont think we need to sponsor his visa. khaleel and rajpoot are v good left arm pacers in india and u will see one of them soon

this indian bowling attack - add the four spinners is the best one in the world in my opinion only cos its got good replacements .
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Those numbers provide a story but they do not provide a conclusion. Are you telling me this Indian attack is better than attacks that have included McGrath, Warne, Wasim, Waqar, Ajmal, Gillespie, Akhtar, Lillee, Holding, Marshall, Ambrose, Walsh etc etc?

Stats can not tell you the whole truth.
 
barah_admi said:
Those numbers provide a story but they do not provide a conclusion. Are you telling me this Indian attack is better than attacks that have included McGrath, Warne, Wasim, Waqar, Ajmal, Gillespie, Akhtar, Lillee, Holding, Marshall, Ambrose, Walsh etc etc?

Stats can not tell you the whole truth.
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No one claimed that this bowling attack is in par with those ATGs named, the discussion is about who has the better bowling attack today between Pakistan and India.

This is India's best bowling attack they've had to date in their test cricketing history and I would take their pacers and spinners in the blink of they eye if I could.
 
topspin said:
No one claimed that this bowling attack is in par with those ATGs named, the discussion is about who has the better bowling attack today between Pakistan and India.

This is India's best bowling attack they've had to date in their test cricketing history and I would take their pacers and spinners in the blink of they eye if I could.
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This is what happens when people jump in without having a clue what is going on. The guy I quoted (who quoted me) posted a piece on cricinfo which stated some stats, one of which was that the Indian attack has the highest SR of any touring team in the lat 100 years. The Pakistan attack of this year was ranked just 0.7 balls behind.

Neither of these attacks are the best to tour England in the last 100 years, so the stats tell a portion of the story but do not provide a conclusion, which is why I mentioned the names of previous bowlers to tour England, all far superior to what both countries have to offer currently.

Next time, try reading.
 
barah_admi said:
This is what happens when people jump in without having a clue what is going on. The guy I quoted (who quoted me) posted a piece on cricinfo which stated some stats, one of which was that the Indian attack has the highest SR of any touring team in the lat 100 years. The Pakistan attack of this year was ranked just 0.7 balls behind.

Neither of these attacks are the best to tour England in the last 100 years, so the stats tell a portion of the story but do not provide a conclusion, which is why I mentioned the names of previous bowlers to tour England, all far superior to what both countries have to offer currently.

Next time, try reading.
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docteurmanish was talking about India have the best pace attack in their history which you have still failed to acknowledge or even discuss because instead you decided to steer this point away by claiming it isn't an ATG attack. Stick to the topic because I'm reading just fine!
 
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jeeteshssaxena said:
I think it's opposite
In odis - pak
In tests - india
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Why are Indians feeling guilty about being way superior in every format? In Tests, India is in a different league, so no comparison.
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ng-performances-of-Test-teams-in-last-3-years

In ODIs, 3 of the top 9 bowlers are Indians. Bumrah is undisputed #1, while Kuldeep and Chahal are the best spinners. Add Shami and Bhuvi too, and this is a brilliant attack.
https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings/mens/player-rankings/odi/bowling
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
I think it's opposite
In odis - pak
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It has more to do with captaincy. Sarfraz is a brilliant captain and because of him we restricted teams to 230s wen 300 was a norm in CT.

Similar attack got pummeled for 440 and 300s for fun under Azhar.

Current Indian odi attack is better, spinners give them edge.
 
topspin said:
docteurmanish was talking about India have the best pace attack in their history which you have still failed to acknowledge or even discuss because instead you decided to steer this point away by claiming it isn't an ATG attack. Stick to the topic because I'm reading just fine!
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He replied to my post, which is on topic with regards to this thread. It may well be india's best ever attack, the fact that your best is competing with Pakistans 100th best just decides the thread really.
 
In which world is Yasir Shah a better bowler than Ashwin?

One guy avgs 25 the other 29.
 
Pakistan is ahead with their test match bowling lineup. Way ahead.

I think In odi cricket Bumrah is so good he makes it close. But still Pakistan wins that as well. Amir Hassan Junaid shaeen Rumaan shadaab imad list goes on. We are so blessed in OdI cricket right now. Honestly I LOVE watching Pakistan bowl in limited overs. Every over is a treat to the eyes for a cricket lover.

I remember when I was bored of watching Pakistan bowl and was longing to see Saeed Ajmal bowl with prime umar gul.

Now there is nothing more enjoyable then a Amir spell and a shadaab spell.
 
cricketjoshila said:
In which world is Yasir Shah a better bowler than Ashwin?

One guy avgs 25 the other 29.
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The guy with a 10 fer in his first away test in England, 2 match winning performances in that same series, 5 test wicket hauls in 5 consecutive tests, never done before, fastest to a 100 wickets and the most wickets in 15 tests and 17 tests.

Thats the guy who is better. :)
 
barah_admi said:
The guy with a 10 fer in his first away test in England, 2 match winning performances in that same series, 5 test wicket hauls in 5 consecutive tests, never done before, fastest to a 100 wickets and the most wickets in 15 tests and 17 tests.

Thats the guy who is better. :)
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Lol. No he is not. Because he doesnt even have 200 international wickets while the other one has 500.

Fastest to a 100 wickets is George Lohmann.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283530.html

Since you are bringing team performances here. Yasir Shahs team is ranked 7th while Ashwin's is ranked 1st.

Yasir Shah isnt even close to Ashwin.
 
The guy who has surprised me is Mohammad Shami.

I had a feeling Bumrah and Sharma would do well, but Shami has been superb and the go-to bowler for Kohli.
 
The Indian pace attack is probably the best they've ever had. Bumrah and Shami are the standouts - strong built athletes with consistent speeds.

Pakistan's numbers aren't helped by the fact we play on those awful dead UAE wickets where the ball carries at knee height to the keeper. When we play in England we look liberated.

We'll see where our Test attack stands after this winter.
 
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