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Does MS Dhoni win or lose more matches?

Smbhayi said:
Btw do you guys really questions his finishing ability through T20 matches? he was never good in that format.
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But a legend in IPL, no? He won many matches for CSK in IPL but never delivered for India in international T20s.
 
King Kong said:
But a legend in IPL, no? He won many matches for CSK in IPL but never delivered for India in international T20s.
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He's not good in ipl too. Well he has some good performance in ipl due to he plays lot of them but he isn't a consistent one.
 
^well looking at his stats he seems done very well @ IPL. have average about 39 on ipl (though he's remain notout 45 occasion)
 
Mamoon said:
In spite of having de Villiers and Amla, South Africa have not come close to matching India's success in ODIs and T20s in the last 10 years.

That answers your question on who the bigger match-winners are: Kohli/Dhoni or Amla/de Villiers.

Under pressure, Amla is the worst player in Limited Overs history and de Villiers hides behind the top-order in ODIs instead of taking responsibility at the top, but still can't match Dhoni's finishing skills, not to mention a total choker in World T20s.

Hence, considering these facts, it's clear which duo is more overrated and which duo are better match-winners.
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I was just telling you that one can player can be a tremendous batsman but still be over rated.
I consider Kohli and ABDV both overrated and they are both tremendous ODI batsmen.

You were against the idea that Kohli can be overrated as he is a brilliant batsman.

Secondly, Dhoni is one of the worst world cup player you will see, Dhoni can't accelerate an innings. While batting first, he still bats at a SR of a 100 in the last overs, that looks good in the stats but that's poor.

Dhoni is way behind the other three: Kohli, Amla and ABDV. They are not even comparable, the three are class batsmen were as Dhoni is a nothing batsman compared to them.

ABDV is still way in front of the others, as he scores more, scores faster, and is one of the best ODI world cup bat ever whereas Amla and Kohli are failures. (Dhoni is even more than a failure).
ODI is in bold, because you often try to be smart by mixing T20's when talking about world cups etc but that doesn't work. Each format has to be taken separately.
 
Lmao at Amla being better than Dhoni:)))

Amla better than Dhoni,

Ajmal better than Warne...

Some of the things you read here:asif
 
This guy is way past it, should've retired a long time ago when Sachin retired. Now we can't even develop another wicket keeper because of his stubbornness. I wouldn't have minded if he was a tactically good captain, but he's average at best in that department too. The captaincy has took a toll on his form.
 
amla can't be better than dhoni. amla is a muslim and has beard.. he is also from south africa.
 
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sajeebmcj said:
amla can't be better than dhoni. amla is a muslim and has beard.. he is also from south africa.
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The problem with you (and quite a few posters here) is illustrated exactly by your post.

You should realise that not everyone acknowledges that one is a muslim with a beard or a devout hindu or a sikh with a turban while supporting or criticising a player.
 
street cricketer said:
The problem with you (and quite a few posters here) is illustrated exactly by your post.

You should realise that not everyone acknowledges that one is a muslim with a beard or a devout hindu or a sikh with a turban while supporting or criticising a player.
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You seem to be new here, the criticism over Amla's beard and religion is a long standing topic on PP.
 
Adijazz1706 said:
You seem to be new here, the criticism over Amla's beard and religion is a long standing topic on PP.
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It works in both ways. We have posters overrating him just because of the factors you have mentioned and we have fans castigating him for the same reasons. Personally, I think the race/ethnicity/religion/caste of a player shouldn't come into question while talking about/supporting a player. We often hear that sports and politics must always be separate in PP (which is the way sports should be) but don't you think supporting or criticising a player based on religion is politicizing a sport?

I think Amla gets overrated and underrated at the same time. He is a good ODI player but not the best opener as he is made out to be and also not the worst player as he is made out to be as well. He can score fast but is not a good batsman at changing gears. Personally I rate Amla very highly in the test format, he is much better than De Villiers as a Test batsman imo.
 
#GreenRoars said:
Then i wonder why India ODI team W/L ratio is lesser than SA?? Or from Success you mean performances at WC only??
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South Africa were a far superior team in 90s (particularly in bilaterals). Most of their wins against India were during that era where they totally dominated. In fact at times they looked stronger than Australia also because of their insane ability to produce alrounders after alrounders in that period. Still they have pretty dominant head to head W/L record against most teams because of the dominance in that period. Only against Australia they are neck-n-neck or slightly lower (which is pretty good anyways). But now they are just in par with all teams.
 
RamLakhan said:
South Africa were a far superior team in 90s (particularly in bilaterals). Most of their wins against India were during that era where they totally dominated. In fact at times they looked stronger than Australia also because of their insane ability to produce alrounders after alrounders in that period. Still they have pretty dominant head to head W/L record against most teams because of the dominance in that period. Only against Australia they are neck-n-neck or slightly lower (which is pretty good anyways). But now they are just in par with all teams.
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Nope, i was talking about last Ten years stats. I thought Mamoon bro were saying about all ODIs, but he was interested in WC performances.
 
street cricketer said:
It works in both ways. We have posters overrating him just because of the factors you have mentioned and we have fans castigating him for the same reasons. Personally, I think the race/ethnicity/religion/caste of a player shouldn't come into question while talking about/supporting a player. We often hear that sports and politics must always be separate in PP (which is the way sports should be) but don't you think supporting or criticising a player based on religion is politicizing a sport?

I think Amla gets overrated and underrated at the same time. He is a good ODI player but not the best opener as he is made out to be and also not the worst player as he is made out to be as well. He can score fast but is not a good batsman at changing gears. Personally I rate Amla very highly in the test format, he is much better than De Villiers as a Test batsman imo.
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He's probably the best opener for SA, he stays there while the others go bang-bang and boom-boom. He scores at a fair clip himself, his SR is 90+ IIRC.
 
Mobashir said:
I was just telling you that one can player can be a tremendous batsman but still be over rated.
I consider Kohli and ABDV both overrated and they are both tremendous ODI batsmen.

You were against the idea that Kohli can be overrated as he is a brilliant batsman.

Secondly, Dhoni is one of the worst world cup player you will see, Dhoni can't accelerate an innings. While batting first, he still bats at a SR of a 100 in the last overs, that looks good in the stats but that's poor.

Dhoni is way behind the other three: Kohli, Amla and ABDV. They are not even comparable, the three are class batsmen were as Dhoni is a nothing batsman compared to them.

ABDV is still way in front of the others, as he scores more, scores faster, and is one of the best ODI world cup bat ever whereas Amla and Kohli are failures. (Dhoni is even more than a failure).
ODI is in bold, because you often try to be smart by mixing T20's when talking about world cups etc but that doesn't work. Each format has to be taken separately.
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How is Dhoni more of a failure than Amla in World Cups?

Amla does not have a single good innings in a knockout match. At least Dhoni has a 91* in a World Cup final.

Kohli hasn't done great in World Cups but at least he has a hundred against Pakistan. Amla has two hundreds and they were against Netherlands and Ireland.

The reason why you keep ignoring other ICC Tournaments is because it fails your arguments, since the South African duo cannot hold a candle to Kohli in World T20s.

I consider all ICC tournaments because it reflects ability to handle pressure in LOIs. A player like Kohli has shown that he is fully capable of handling pressure, but he doesn't have a great World Cup record because he wasn't that good in 2011 (but still played some decent knocks including the final) and 2015 was an all-round poor year for him.

On the contrary, Amla has been rubbish in all ICC tournaments, which shows that he cannot handle pressure.

de Villiers can score runs in World Cups but he is a failure in T20 Internationals and his batting position prevents him from winning big games for South Africa.

Dhoni isn't a technically sound batsman but he wins you more ODIs than de Villiers and Amla, while Kohli will end up as the best ODI player ever when he hangs up his boots.

A player of his class, hunger and passion will surely get rid of this World Cup failure tag, just like he proved himself in World T20s.
 
Mamoon said:
How is Dhoni more of a failure than Amla in World Cups?

Amla does not have a single good innings in a knockout match. At least Dhoni has a 91* in a World Cup final.

Kohli hasn't done great in World Cups but at least he has a hundred against Pakistan. Amla has two hundreds and they were against Netherlands and Ireland.

The reason why you keep ignoring other ICC Tournaments is because it fails your arguments, since the South African duo cannot hold a candle to Kohli in World T20s.

I consider all ICC tournaments because it reflects ability to handle pressure in LOIs. A player like Kohli has shown that he is fully capable of handling pressure, but he doesn't have a great World Cup record because he wasn't that good in 2011 (but still played some decent knocks including the final) and 2015 was an all-round poor year for him.

On the contrary, Amla has been rubbish in all ICC tournaments, which shows that he cannot handle pressure.

de Villiers can score runs in World Cups but he is a failure in T20 Internationals and his batting position prevents him from winning big games for South Africa.

Dhoni isn't a technically sound batsman but he wins you more ODIs than de Villiers and Amla, while Kohli will end up as the best ODI player ever when he hangs up his boots.

A player of his class, hunger and passion will surely get rid of this World Cup failure tag, just like he proved himself in World T20s.
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Dhoni is more of failure because of the number of failures he has in crucial games for India.

World cups :

2007 : 0 vs Bangladesh
0 vs Sri Lanka (best chaser?)

2011: 8 vs Australia (best chaser?)
25 from 42 vs Pakistan

2015: 6 vs Bangladesh
65 vs Australia (and mind you that is probably his worst innings of the lot)

Champions trophy :
Just played two matches, but how crucial they both were, and look Dhoni's contributions:

2009 vs Pakistan : 3 from 8 (best chaser??)
2013 final vs England : 0

You will not find a bigger failure than him in crucial ICC games.

Again you are bringing T20's in. You should understand that they are different formats.

Kohli is a better T20 international batsman than ABDV.
You bring T20 stats when you are comparing two batsmen in that format and ODI stats when you are comparing 2 batsmen in ODI's.

Isn't that logic and simple?

Well I am not discussion anymore the ABDV vs Kohli here as the thread is about Dhoni.

Thank to you I added some more big failures of Dhoni to show that he is an average batsman in ODI's and at best he is good.
 
Mobashir said:
Dhoni is more of failure because of the number of failures he has in crucial games for India.

World cups :

2007 : 0 vs Bangladesh
0 vs Sri Lanka (best chaser?)

2011: 8 vs Australia (best chaser?)
25 from 42 vs Pakistan

2015: 6 vs Bangladesh
65 vs Australia (and mind you that is probably his worst innings of the lot)

Champions trophy :
Just played two matches, but how crucial they both were, and look Dhoni's contributions:

2009 vs Pakistan : 3 from 8 (best chaser??)
2013 final vs England : 0

You will not find a bigger failure than him in crucial ICC games.

Again you are bringing T20's in. You should understand that they are different formats.

Kohli is a better T20 international batsman than ABDV.
You bring T20 stats when you are comparing two batsmen in that format and ODI stats when you are comparing 2 batsmen in ODI's.

Isn't that logic and simple?

Well I am not discussion anymore the ABDV vs Kohli here as the thread is about Dhoni.

Thank to you I added some more big failures of Dhoni to show that he is an average batsman in ODI's and at best he is good.
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Dhoni is a much better player than Amla in ODIs. He might have failed in many crucial games in World Cups, but he played a great, match-winning innings in the 2011 World Cup final which makes up for his failures.

Amla on the other hand does not have a single great innings in World Cups, and has failed in every crucial World Cup match.

Your logic is baffling.

Dhoni is a far better match-winning impact player in ODIs than Amla. The two are not even comparable.

The trio of Kohli, de Villiers and Dhoni are at a different level to Amla in ODIs. You can't mention him alongside these three players.

Dhoni and Kohli might fail many times, but they win your more big ODI matches than de Villiers and Amla, and that is why India have won the 2011 World Cup and 2013 Champions Trophy while de Villiers and Amla have not delivered a single trophy yet.

For my ODI team, I would pick Kohli and Dhoni over de Villiers and Amla any day. In fact, there are many ODI players that I would pick over Amla.

There really isn't much to discuss with someone who considers Dhoni an average ODI batsman and inferior to Amla in this format, that is a totally ridiculous claim.
 
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its amazing how dhoni has fooled people in beleiving he is the best finisher ,, hardly played 6-7 proper finisher knocks which many other players have played , one of d biggest cricketing myth ever !!
 
Another match
Another match loosing performance for him.

I personnaly don't know many players that loose as many as he does.
 
Mobashir said:
Another match
Another match loosing performance for him.

I personnaly don't know many players that loose as many as he does.
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Yeah he lost the match. Binny was outstanding today, he nearly won it..

Why you guys blame only MSD. He at least created that winning situation with Rahul.... You can not call it inability to win matches. He is still best in the business...
 
Ankit007 said:
Yeah he lost the match. Binny was outstanding today, he nearly won it..

Why you guys blame only MSD. He at least created that winning situation with Rahul.... You can not call it inability to win matches. He is still best in the business...
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Still the best?
When was he the best and at what?
Care to explain?
He was good at staying at the crease when the likes of Sehwag, Yuvraj, Raina and orhers were winning marches for the team.
 
He's still got life in him, perfectly fine in the team. West Indies are deserving winners, easily by far the best T20 in the world. Their bowling could be a little bit better though.
 
Since the start of this thread, Dhoni has bagged few more match-losing knocks.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/1041615.html

7 runs needed in the last over (2 runs of the final ball).

http://www.espncricinfo.com/zimbabwe-v-india-2016/engine/match/1007655.html

8 runs needed of the final over against the mighty Zimbabwe.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-new-zealand-2016-17/engine/match/1030225.html

This is an epic knock. 11 runs of 31 balls.

Dhoni's success depends so much on how other players around him perform. After Raina, Yuvraj faded away, it found difficult for Dhoni "finish" matches as well. It was them(Yuvi, Raina) and Kohli later who really "finished" and won matches for India.

Can't believe he is rated above players like ABD by some posters.
 
King Kong said:
Since the start of this thread, Dhoni has bagged few more match-losing knocks.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/1041615.html

7 runs needed in the last over (2 runs of the final ball).

http://www.espncricinfo.com/zimbabwe-v-india-2016/engine/match/1007655.html

8 runs needed of the final over against the mighty Zimbabwe.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-new-zealand-2016-17/engine/match/1030225.html

This is an epic knock. 11 runs of 31 balls.

Dhoni's success depends so much on how other players around him perform. After Raina, Yuvraj faded away, it found difficult for Dhoni "finish" matches as well. It was them(Yuvi, Raina) and Kohli later who really "finished" and won matches for India.

Can't believe he is rated above players like ABD by some posters.
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what matches has ab won at international level? ICC events?

in limited overs major tournaments he has been central to their choking, giving his wicket away.
 
What has dhoni done apart from one fluke innings against sri lanka in finals? I say it as a fluke because he is an utter failure in remaining world cup matches ? Failure is constant with dhoni and that final knock is a fluke
 
According to me he has lost more matches than he has won singlehandedly on his own.he is atmost a bystander with minor contributions when others took risks and he gets credit for staying not out in the end
 
With each failure his myth is gradually getting shattered on its own. He is a hack who doesnt have the technique to manouvre the ball and take singles.thats why he takes so much time to get set resulting in unnecessary pressure on other batters making them take risks
 
FlickedOffHips said:
what matches has ab won at international level? ICC events?

in limited overs major tournaments he has been central to their choking, giving his wicket away.
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What has Dhoni done in ICC Events apart from that knock in the final (Even in that, it's Gambhir)?

Completely Failed in 2007 WT20, 2009 WT20, 2010 WT20, 2012WT20, 2014 WT20.

(NOT EVEN A SINGLE 50 WAS SCORED IN T20IS despite playing 60 T20I games)

Failed in 2007 WC, 2011 WC, 2015 WC.

Failed in every Champions Trohpy.

I mean if you look at it, that's got to be the worst record EVER by any batsman if you consider how many ICC events he has played in his career.

When it comes to ABD, you don't even have to dig into his stats. He was fantastic in 2015 SF and overall he got respectable WC stats, NEVER FAILED COMPLETELY IN ANY ICC EVENT and NEVER LOST ANY MATCH FOR HIS TEAM like Dhoni has repeatedly done in the past few years.

You can list out the matches Dhoni has finished or won for India. I can come up with twice the no.of games by ABD.
 
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He is a legend in taking easily winnable matches to the last over and fluffing it .
 
[MENTION=140475]King Kong[/MENTION] i absolutely agree with everything u say.thats what i mentioned in my above posy
 
That WC final was obviously a fluke if we go by how he performed in the rest of the matches in ALL ICC EVENTS.
 
People are really grilling Dhoni here, as a Pak fan I actually fear him a lot as a captain if we were to face him in a tournament. This guy leads and bats relentlessly against us.
 
ExplicitAI said:
People are really grilling Dhoni here, as a Pak fan I actually fear him a lot as a captain if we were to face him in a tournament. This guy leads and bats relentlessly against us.
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No, he doesn't with the bat. As you are a Pak fan, you most probably don't know much know about the true greatness of the overrated batsman Dhoni.

He is the worst test captain too, which people realized later on. More and more will eventually realize how overhyped a finisher Dhoni is in ODIs as well.
 
Thank god at least people are realising and looking through his myth.i can clearly enumerate atleast dozen innigs where he is absolutely responsible for the loss in last 2 yrs.u can see in every series he plays he looses a match or more through his hackish play
 
He is one day equivalent of a flat track that to asian flat track bulley who failed so poorly outside of subcontinent so many times it is not even funny
 
In all major indian wins he is a passenger be it 2007;2011;2013 .his greatness is built on team performances for which he is disproportionately credited as if his captaincy is the sole reason for winning.even the players who played with him took jibes on his captaincy
 
King Kong said:
What has Dhoni done in ICC Events apart from that knock in the final (Even in that, it's Gambhir)?

Completely Failed in 2007 WT20, 2009 WT20, 2010 WT20, 2012WT20, 2014 WT20.

(NOT EVEN A SINGLE 50 WAS SCORED IN T20IS despite playing 60 T20I games)

Failed in 2007 WC, 2011 WC, 2015 WC.

Failed in every Champions Trohpy.

I mean if you look at it, that's got to be the worst record EVER by any batsman if you consider how many ICC events he has played in his career.

When it comes to ABD, you don't even have to dig into his stats. He was fantastic in 2015 SF and overall he got respectable WC stats, NEVER FAILED COMPLETELY IN ANY ICC EVENT and NEVER LOST ANY MATCH FOR HIS TEAM like Dhoni has repeatedly done in the past few years.

You can list out the matches Dhoni has finished or won for India. I can come up with twice the no.of games by ABD.
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but he couldn't get it done in the 2015 sf...which is the point. gave away 21 runs in 3 overs too.
2 chases i can remember from that WC:
1. ran himself out against india chancing mohit's arm, when they were going great. he lost his team the game.
2. against PAK, he got out chasing 232. when he just needed to score 39 runs from 89 balls. he was the last batsman. unforgivable. lost the game for his team again. that's two glaring failures from the top of my head, and you still haven't mention an meaningful wins he's given SA.
 
ExplicitAI said:
People are really grilling Dhoni here, as a Pak fan I actually fear him a lot as a captain if we were to face him in a tournament. This guy leads and bats relentlessly against us.
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there's always a couple of contrarians. most indian fans know his value.
 
King Kong said:
No, he doesn't with the bat. As you are a Pak fan, you most probably don't know much know about the true greatness of the overrated batsman Dhoni.

He is the worst test captain too, which people realized later on. More and more will eventually realize how overhyped a finisher Dhoni is in ODIs as well.
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I'm telling you I've never feared a captain more than Dhoni in my lifetime. This guy knows how to win against Pakistan every time.
 
ExplicitAI said:
Honestly he's been Pakistan's kryptonite in my eyes. He knows how to beat us.
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and one thing people often miss out is his wicketkeeping. fastest hands in the game. his last bowl run-out won us the game against Bangladesh in this Asia cup( i think it was or was it w20?)
in the last champions trophy final in 2013, his excellent stumping of Trott was the game changer.
 
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and one thing people often miss out is his wicketkeeping. fastest hands in the game. his last bowl run-out won us the game against Bangladesh in this Asia cup( i think it was or was it w20?)
in the last champions trophy final in 2013, his excellent stumping of Trott was the game changer.
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He's had amazing moments as a keeper, one of the best in terms of run-outs with a home-made technique.
 
We need to take into account his first innings performances as well. Many a match is won by performing well while setting a target.
 
FlickedOffHips said:
but he couldn't get it done in the 2015 sf...which is the point. gave away 21 runs in 3 overs too.
2 chases i can remember from that WC:
1. ran himself out against india chancing mohit's arm, when they were going great. he lost his team the game.
2. against PAK, he got out chasing 232. when he just needed to score 39 runs from 89 balls. he was the last batsman. unforgivable. lost the game for his team again. that's two glaring failures from the top of my head, and you still haven't mention an meaningful wins he's given SA.
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Dhoni has umpteen no.of such innings like you mentioned. In fact, there were many matches where India lost just because of his slow batting/failing to finish off.

ABD mostly never failed, but failed to finish few matches as you brought up. Even in those, he did his job. I never claimed ABD being the best finisher. On the other hand, Dhoni is regarded as the best finisher when the stats clearly show he is a match loser as well.

You had like 2 matches where ABD failed. Let me count on Dhoni's.

1. 2011 WC QF

2. 2011 WC SF

3. 2015 WC QF

4. 2015 WC SF (If ABD's knock against Pakistan is a failure, so was this).

5. 2007 WC vs Bangladesh.

These are just off the top of my head in ONLY ODI WC KNOCKOUTS. There are countless of such matches in League matches of World Cups, WT20s, Champions trophy and bilaterals.
 
King Kong said:
Dhoni has umpteen no.of such innings like you mentioned. In fact, there were many matches where India lost just because of his slow batting/failing to finish off.

ABD mostly never failed, but failed to finish few matches as you brought up. Even in those, he did his job. I never claimed ABD being the best finisher. On the other hand, Dhoni is regarded as the best finisher when the stats clearly show he is a match loser as well.

You had like 2 matches where ABD failed. Let me count on Dhoni's.

1. 2011 WC QF

2. 2011 WC SF

3. 2015 WC QF

4. 2015 WC SF (If ABD's knock against Pakistan is a failure, so was this).

5. 2007 WC vs Bangladesh.

These are just off the top of my head in ONLY ODI WC KNOCKOUTS. There are countless of such matches in League matches of World Cups, WT20s, Champions trophy and bilaterals.
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You keep listing Dhoni's supposed failures yet have failed to list even one of AB's meaningful international finishes.:msd go fool someone else buddy.
 
FlickedOffHips said:
You keep listing Dhoni's supposed failures yet have failed to list even one of AB's meaningful international finishes.:msd go fool someone else buddy.
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1. This thread is about the myth that Dhoni is the best finisher.

2. No one claimed that ABD is the best finisher.

3. AB delivered in most of the matches in world cups. At least he scored something instead of went completely missing like the overrated Dhoni.

ABD is unarguably the best ODI batsman after Viv and Sachin.
 
They have nothing to show of dhonis supposed match winning performances other than a fluke which helped us win world cup for which i am happy but nothing comes to my mind of even one performance worthy of mentioning in his whole icc tournament career so far.but his supporters has the gall to question abd who is not a psssenger like dhoni
 
But but u know dhoni is the force behind indias performances in the world cups through his mythical captaincy and keeping and every other player is a side show .they even has the courage to say that it is only due to dhoni leadership that india won icc tournaments.if he is so great as u make of him why india has performed so poorly in other icc tournaments
 
So a person who plays one fluke innings in his entire icc tournment career is a better batsman than abd ?
 
King Kong said:
Since the start of this thread, Dhoni has bagged few more match-losing knocks.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/1041615.html

7 runs needed in the last over (2 runs of the final ball).

http://www.espncricinfo.com/zimbabwe-v-india-2016/engine/match/1007655.html

8 runs needed of the final over against the mighty Zimbabwe.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-new-zealand-2016-17/engine/match/1030225.html

This is an epic knock. 11 runs of 31 balls.

Dhoni's success depends so much on how other players around him perform. After Raina, Yuvraj faded away, it found difficult for Dhoni "finish" matches as well. It was them(Yuvi, Raina) and Kohli later who really "finished" and won matches for India.

Can't believe he is rated above players like ABD by some posters.
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King Kong said:
1. This thread is about the myth that Dhoni is the best finisher.

3. AB delivered in most of the matches in world cups.
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yes. he delivered big chokes at crucial times.

King Kong said:
ABD is unarguably the best ODI batsman after Viv and Sachin.
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i don't necessaraliy disagree with that but Dhoni has won champions trophy and WC. his match winning moments include his wicketkeeping, batting, and his decisions on the field a captain.

your dhoni hate is non sensical.
 
Why are u attributing indian wins to dhoni only? Are the other players a mere side show ? U r making him as though he won it through his batting,keeping and captaincy.we r refuting u r opinions by stating that he is a pathetic player who doesnt have anything to show off .thats why u r attributing indian wins to his mythical captaincy and keeping
 
By the way this thread is about his batting and not about his mythical captaincy and keeping
 
Drreddymd said:
Why are u attributing indian wins to dhoni only? Are the other players a mere side show ? U r making him as though he won it through his batting,keeping and captaincy.we r refuting u r opinions by stating that he is a pathetic player who doesnt have anything to show off .thats why u r attributing indian wins to his mythical captaincy and keeping
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Then why do you attribute the team's losses just to him?:angelo

Drreddymd said:
we r refuting u r opinions by stating that he is a pathetic player who doesnt have anything to show off .thats why u r attributing indian wins to his mythical captaincy and keeping.
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his skills are not "mythical". i have given specific examples above about his keeping and why it's won games for india.
 
U r the one who is taking credit of team wins for him.he clearly posted above examples in which dhoni is particularly responsible for india loosing because his poor batting and thus dispelling the myth that he is a best finisher for india which he is not.u r the one bringing captaincy and keeping in to the context where as all the while we are stiking to his batting and finishing ability.i.hope u got our point ?
 
If it is about his batting then it is a non starter as he has nothing to show for his mythical batting and finishing ability.u r the one trolling by posting that dhoni won world cup and champions trophy as facts read a dismal picture of his performance on this context
 
Drreddymd said:
U r the one who is taking credit of team wins for him.he clearly posted above examples in which dhoni is particularly responsible for india loosing because his poor batting and thus dispelling the myth that he is a best finisher for india which he is not.u r the one bringing captaincy and keeping in to the context where as all the while we are stiking to his batting and finishing ability.i.hope u got our point ?
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let me ask you this- who is the best finisher? for india and worldwide?
 
Kohli,yuvraj,raina .i can say that i almost never seen them unable to finish off games if they r staying till the end unlike dhoni who failed to finish innumerable times purely because of his joke batting
 
Dhoni was clutch and fought hard in every department of the game he was good at i.e. as a captain(ODI), finisher and wicket-keeper.

He was among those players who would come good in the biggest 2-3 minutes moments of the tournaments.One can question his consistency and technique but I dont think there shouldn't be any questions regarding his temperament.

He was among those guys who would sleep through the most part of the game and become active in peak mould in the biggest moments of the game.

However, he has been struggling to deliver with his captaincy and batsmenship over the last two years and should definitely take retirement from all formats as he already has World Cups,WT20 and CT in this bag.
 
This guy is a disgrace to batting at the best of his times and i dont want to comment on his batting prowess at present.
 
People will realize Dhoni's value once he finally retires. If MS wasn't on the field today, I can bet my month's salary that Afg would have made a LOT more than 252.

He is the only remaining captain in world cricket who knows how to win a WC. He is still one of the best WK in ODIs in the world and I don't think anybody playing today can read the game as well as MS does. You can't buy that kind of experience and knowledge.

It's a damn shame that his batting has declined so much in the last years. But there is a lot in cricket that happens without a bat or ball in hand. And even the most knowledgeable and sensible posters here seem to discount that (not just in the case of MSD but in general).
 
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