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Does Pakistan have the best pace battery (Amir, Junaid, Hasan, Usman, Shaheen, Rumman) in ODIs?

Aman said:
Australia care very little about JAMODIS, it's only around WC where they start to pay more attention to it. Right now they've been taken quite a few defeats but they know that's down to the suspensions and injuries, they're not panicking because they know their team will be a lot different come the WC.

You can just ask some of the Aussie posters if you don't buy it [MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION]
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The team that lost 4-1 at home to England recently had all of those players you mentioned and who weren't supposed to be taking JAMODIs seriously. Making logic on the fly again.
 
Aman said:
Australia care very little about JAMODIS, it's only around WC where they start to pay more attention to it. Right now they've been taken quite a few defeats but they know that's down to the suspensions and injuries, they're not panicking because they know their team will be a lot different come the WC.

You can just ask some of the Aussie posters if you don't buy it [MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION]
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The team that lost 4-1 to England at home recently had all those players
 
Usman Chadda said:
The team that lost 4-1 to England at home recently had all those players
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Even so, I expect Australia to improve and be a bigger threat in the WC. Tournaments are all about handling pressure and peaking at the right time.
 
You know there was a time when we used to open the bowling with Sohail 'The Phenom' Tanvir and Anwar 'Mein Khelta Rahunga' Ali while the first change would probably be Bilawal Malcom Bhatti Marshal.

We have well and truly come a long way :sarf
 
Chief Destroyer said:
It's confusing when people want Pakistan to become the best in the world but continue to back mediocre players like Junaid. What does he offer? Pace? Movement? Height? Supreme accuracy? Future potential? Nothing. He's freaking ordinary. Move on.
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He seams the bowl pretty well and it has always been his strength as he was never a swing bowler but he has the ability to seam it on most conditions.

His spell against Warner in Aus post Junaid's injury (As many say he isnt the same after injury, he was definitely effected) is a big example of that.
 
Usman Chadda said:
The team that lost 4-1 to England at home recently had all those players
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They did. But that was them coming off a long home summer. And even then Aus rotated the quicks around throughout (Big 3 played only one match together). But let the numbers speak for themselves.

The scores from that Eng series against Aus were:
308/5(48.5)
274/6 (45)
302/6 (50)
196/10 (45)
259/10 (48)

Aus picked up 7.4 wkts per match at 36.2 avg with an ER of 5.64 and SR of 38

Compare that to how Pak fared against Eng in 2016
194/3 (34)
255/6 (47)
444/3 (50)
252/6 (48)
302/9 (50)

Pak picked up 5.4 wkts per match at an avg of 53.6 with an ER of 6.31 and SR of 51

One can say Pak was carrying dead weight like Gul and Wahab, but frankly apart from Hasan's addition, the 3rd seamer is still quite average. Likes of Usman and Shaheen are raw/unproven and Junaid is merely steady at best.

The Aussie quicks don't get out of bed for anything less than serious silverware. Come world cup, they'll be chomping at the bit, ready to go. If Aus lose it'll be cause their batting couldn't cash the cheques the bowlers wrote.
 
Somebody used 2016 numbers to dissect Pak bowling.... :)))


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pratiktc said:
They did. But that was them coming off a long home summer. And even then Aus rotated the quicks around throughout (Big 3 played only one match together). But let the numbers speak for themselves.

The scores from that Eng series against Aus were:
308/5(48.5)
274/6 (45)
302/6 (50)
196/10 (45)
259/10 (48)

Aus picked up 7.4 wkts per match at 36.2 avg with an ER of 5.64 and SR of 38

Compare that to how Pak fared against Eng in 2016
194/3 (34)
255/6 (47)
444/3 (50)
252/6 (48)
302/9 (50)

Pak picked up 5.4 wkts per match at an avg of 53.6 with an ER of 6.31 and SR of 51

One can say Pak was carrying dead weight like Gul and Wahab, but frankly apart from Hasan's addition, the 3rd seamer is still quite average. Likes of Usman and Shaheen are raw/unproven and Junaid is merely steady at best.

The Aussie quicks don't get out of bed for anything less than serious silverware. Come world cup, they'll be chomping at the bit, ready to go. If Aus lose it'll be cause their batting couldn't cash the cheques the bowlers wrote.
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Even Faheem Ashraf is a massive upgrade on Gul or Wahab. Not sure what's your point here
 
While I agree Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins when fit are a better pace bowling attack than Pakistan, the arguments being put forth are not convincing. Pakistan is rated very highly despite the lack of experience of these boys, while the Aussie trio has been on the scene for quite a while. These two are the only pace attacks in the world good enough to win their teams tournaments
 
Amir might be our worst main bowler atm yet somehow he is still able to win us ICC finals. Every time i see Shinwari and Amir play together the former always out performs the latter, in PSL as well.
 
Aman said:
Australia care very little about JAMODIS, it's only around WC where they start to pay more attention to it. Right now they've been taken quite a few defeats but they know that's down to the suspensions and injuries, they're not panicking because they know their team will be a lot different come the WC.

You can just ask some of the Aussie posters if you don't buy it [MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION]
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Australia have got the best pace battery but they will struggle with the balance of their side in WC. They have to play an all rounder and don't have even a half decent spinner, which eventually weakens their bowling attack

New Zealand have got a deadly bowling attack with 3 really good seamers and the best left arm spinner atm, but they offer a let up in the form CDG.

Pakistan have got 3 good seamers, with one of the best leggies in their side, and Faheem Ashraf supports them really well

India have got a gem in the form of Kuldeep, two WC fast bowlers, and a decent leggie. Pandya though is a let-up and affects the potency of their bowling attack

I think the battle for the best bowling attack is b/w Pak and India, because they are complete bowling attacks. New Zealand and Aus will struggle with 5th and 4th bowling option respectively.
 
Syed1 said:
Somebody used 2016 numbers to dissect Pak bowling.... :)))


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In those day we had the likes of Irfan,Gul and Wahab, who in my humble are dumb bowlers.

Especially Irfan
I remember the WT20 2016 game against NZ. Amir bowled just short of a length to Guptill in the first over (knowing that if it is full he will play his trademark straight drive, and if it's too short he will easily hit a boundary). Now guess what the big bloke did in the next over? First ball was full in gup's arch and he smashed it for a straight six. In the same over he followed it up with a delivery that was too short and and the ball kissed the gallery once again.
 
Need to perform against the top sides before saying their the best in the world.
 
Wow No Amir and No Hassan, yet bowls out a team(a poor team tho) for 67.

Faheem looks much better than a lot of front line pacers.
 
How you gonna bump this thread after a game against Zimbabwe B?

Just let the players perform. We don't always need to say they are the best in the world.
 
Hasan123 said:
How you gonna bump this thread after a game against Zimbabwe B?

Just let the players perform. We don't always need to say they are the best in the world.
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That's the benchmark set by the hype circle - Zimbabwe B, WI B, Sri Lanka B and World XI. Beat these teams and stat chest thumping world no.1 T20I team in the world.
 
World class pace attack. And world class when you add shadab to the mix. Overall the best bowling attack in the world for me in this format.
 
topspin said:
That's the benchmark set by the hype circle - Zimbabwe B, WI B, Sri Lanka B and World XI. Beat these teams and stat chest thumping world no.1 T20I team in the world.
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Our attack is good and has a lot of potential. But we need to see what it does against the top teams before calling it the best in the world.
 
Hasan123 said:
Our attack is good and has a lot of potential. But we need to see what it does against the top teams before calling it the best in the world.
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With the right amount of experience and hard work, this will be one of the best bowling attacks in world cricket. You have five potential world-class pacers, one more than decent third seamer and a budding young leg-spinners.

This young attack has already bowled Pakistan to an ICC trophy. That’s how good the potential is.
 
No, It is not better than India's or New Zealand's. Check out Matt Henry's stats, then of course Boult.

Australia's is the best.

At least on paper, India has the best rounded attack, if counting also spin.
 
Sean143 said:
Australia have got the best pace battery but they will struggle with the balance of their side in WC. They have to play an all rounder and don't have even a half decent spinner, which eventually weakens their bowling attack

New Zealand have got a deadly bowling attack with 3 really good seamers and the best left arm spinner atm, but they offer a let up in the form CDG.

Pakistan have got 3 good seamers, with one of the best leggies in their side, and Faheem Ashraf supports them really well

India have got a gem in the form of Kuldeep, two WC fast bowlers, and a decent leggie. Pandya though is a let-up and affects the potency of their bowling attack

I think the battle for the best bowling attack is b/w Pak and India, because they are complete bowling attacks. New Zealand and Aus will struggle with 5th and 4th bowling option respectively.
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Wait until Mohammed Siraj debuts for India. That will be one heck of an attack.
 
Not the best pace attack in the world yet, Australia are ahead, and we are about equal with New Zealand and South Africa. Pakistan have the potential to be the best pace attack if they stick with the trio of Amir, Hasan, and Shaheen, and if all three come good. Usman and Rumman are good fourth/bench options, while Faheem is a good all-round option.

If we add spin into the mix, then yes, we are a definite contender for the best bowling attack in the world. Shadab walks into the team on his bowling alone, Nawaz isn't a bad all-round spin bowling option either. We also have no shortage of spinners waiting for their chance, Zafar Gohar, Mohammad Asghar, and Raza Hasan would be front-line spinners for most other teams.
 
On paper they are good and very talented. Amir though averages 72 this year with the ball in 7 ODI games. He has just taken 3 wickets in these 7 games. Rumman Raees averages 35 with an economy rate of 6.4. Hasan Ali had a horrible series in New Zealand just picking up 6 wickets with an economy rate of 6+. He did pull it back against Zimbabwe. So to be frank, even though they are talented, their performance this year has not been up to mark with the ball.
 
We have a lot of depth and a bunch of good pace bowlers but individually, none of them are at the level of Rabada, Starc or Boult, outside of Amir at his best.

I do concur that as a whole, our bowling attack is arguably the best in the world. Reminds me of the 2011-2013 period where we had a similarly world-class bowling attack which won us series in India and South Africa. The difference is that the current attack also has the support of a good batting lineup, instead of just one lone warrior in Misbah ul Haq.
 
New Yorker said:
No, It is not better than India's or New Zealand's. Check out Matt Henry's stats, then of course Boult.

Australia's is the best.

At least on paper, India has the best rounded attack, if counting also spin.
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Games are not won on paper. We saw which bowling attack has the mentality of a world-class unit during the 2017 Champions Trophy Final.
 
Slim said:
Let me guess, its India or England?
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Australia, South Africa, India and New Zealand have better pace attacks. England has one of the worst ODI attacks in the world, certainly worse than Pakistan.
 
Mamoon said:
Australia, South Africa, India and New Zealand have better pace attacks. England has one of the worst ODI attacks in the world, certainly worse than Pakistan.
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Australia's bowling attack outside ICC tournaments is a joke, South Africa has become heavily reliant on Rabada and India's bowling attack although good, is not better than Pakistan.
 
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giri26 said:
On paper they are good and very talented. Amir though averages 72 this year with the ball in 7 ODI games. He has just taken 3 wickets in these 7 games. Rumman Raees averages 35 with an economy rate of 6.4. Hasan Ali had a horrible series in New Zealand just picking up 6 wickets with an economy rate of 6+. He did pull it back against Zimbabwe. So to be frank, even though they are talented, their performance this year has not been up to mark with the ball.
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Well done on picking the not-so-great performers and leaving out the likes of Faheem, Shenwari, Junaid etc. Rumman Raees isn’t even part of the squad right now.
 
Bilal7 said:
Games are not won on paper. We saw which bowling attack has the mentality of a world-class unit during the 2017 Champions Trophy Final.
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I say on paper because Kuldeep and Chahal didnt play in the CT and have not yet had to face many good players of spin. But they are clearly Asia's best ODI spinners, after Rashid. Shadab is not a strike bowler yet. Don't forget, also, that over the course of the entire CT, India's was the second-best attack, after Pakistan, but we owe that distinction mainly to Hasan's red hot form. When he goes off the boil everything looks rather bleak.
 
Bilal7 said:
We have a lot of depth and a bunch of good pace bowlers but individually, none of them are at the level of Rabada, Starc or Boult, outside of Amir at his best.

I do concur that as a whole, our bowling attack is arguably the best in the world. Reminds me of the 2011-2013 period where we had a similarly world-class bowling attack which won us series in India and South Africa. The difference is that the current attack also has the support of a good batting lineup, instead of just one lone warrior in Misbah ul Haq.
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Sure, at his best Hasan Ali is a world class ODI bowler, as good as Boult or Rabada. But we are not by any distance the best attack in the world as a whole, because we don't have a genuine strike bowler spinner .
 
topspin said:
That's the benchmark set by the hype circle - Zimbabwe B, WI B, Sri Lanka B and World XI. Beat these teams and stat chest thumping world no.1 T20I team in the world.
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Yes and of course CT 17 was a fluke
 
hussain.r97 said:
Not the best pace attack in the world yet, Australia are ahead, and we are about equal with New Zealand and South Africa. Pakistan have the potential to be the best pace attack if they stick with the trio of Amir, Hasan, and Shaheen, and if all three come good. Usman and Rumman are good fourth/bench options, while Faheem is a good all-round option.

If we add spin into the mix, then yes, we are a definite contender for the best bowling attack in the world. Shadab walks into the team on his bowling alone, Nawaz isn't a bad all-round spin bowling option either. We also have no shortage of spinners waiting for their chance, Zafar Gohar, Mohammad Asghar, and Raza Hasan would be front-line spinners for most other teams.
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When was the last time a fast bowler picked 5 wickets in his first 5 overs of opening spell? Has anybody from India or Aus done that in recent times. Usman Shinwari did that and you are saying that he is poor than Kumar, Tye, Richardson etc. Come on man!
 
Actually with the potential rise of Shaheen Afridi I would say we have a thrilling attack (provided Amir can show the same sort of intensity upfront as he showed in CT final)
 
giri26 said:
On paper they are good and very talented. Amir though averages 72 this year with the ball in 7 ODI games. He has just taken 3 wickets in these 7 games. Rumman Raees averages 35 with an economy rate of 6.4. Hasan Ali had a horrible series in New Zealand just picking up 6 wickets with an economy rate of 6+. He did pull it back against Zimbabwe. So to be frank, even though they are talented, their performance this year has not been up to mark with the ball.
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Amir was economical though while Faheem and Shinwari have been pretty good with the ball. That is why its a lethal attack as it has so many options, out of all these just 2,3 need to be in form and perform and they can win the game.
 
What we lack as a team, we also lack in the bowling and that is consistency otherwise its an amazing attack.
 
When on song, Pakistan's frontline pacers can be as good as anybody.

But overall the bowling is lacking because Pak doesn't even have one good spinner in the side. ODI teams need at least 1 quality spinner nowadays to win consistently.
 
the_outsider said:
When on song, Pakistan's frontline pacers can be as good as anybody.

But overall the bowling is lacking because Pak doesn't even have one good spinner in the side. ODI teams need at least 1 quality spinner nowadays to win consistently.
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Shadab is more than decent.
 
gazza619 said:
Actually with the potential rise of Shaheen Afridi I would say we have a thrilling attack (provided Amir can show the same sort of intensity upfront as he showed in CT final)
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Sure, but we are not the only team in the world with promising new talent. Ngidi has been terrific so far for South Africa, and Siraj looks a mouth watering prospect for India. Within a year India could be picking their attack from a list of Bumrah, Bhuvi, Siraj, Shami, Kuldeep, Chahal. Hard to beat.
 
New Yorker said:
Sure, but we are not the only team in the world with promising new talent. Ngidi has been terrific so far for South Africa, and Siraj looks a mouth watering prospect for India. Within a year India could be picking their attack from a list of Bumrah, Bhuvi, Siraj, Shami, Kuldeep, Chahal. Hard to beat.
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Is Siraj the same bloke who made his debut against Lanka last year?
 
Usman Chadda said:
Shadab is more than decent.
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Is he? Not run through a side yet in ODIs. Has taken 4 wickets only twice, both against Zim. Compare to someone like Rashid, or Tahir, or Kuldeep or Chahal? Even South Africa has better ODIs spinners than us, though he's a Pakistani. Hard to claim that an attack with Rabada, Ngidi and Tahir is less well rounded than Pakistan's.
 
New Yorker said:
Is he? Not run through a side yet in ODIs. Has taken 4 wickets only twice, both against Zim. Compare to someone like Rashid, or Tahir, or Kuldeep or Chahal? Even South Africa has better ODIs spinners than us, though he's a Pakistani. Hard to claim that an attack with Rabada, Ngidi and Tahir is less well rounded than Pakistan's.
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Shadab has done well so far, providing Pakistan with vital breakthroughs throughout his career. Think back to the wickets of Root and Yuvraj Singh in the CT. He’s young, he’ll learn. I think Pakistan has a wonderful young leg-spinner in their ranks, provided he continues to work hard.
 
the_outsider said:
No doubt he's decent. And he's very young so he has a lot of time to develop and get better too. But currently there is no high quality spinner in the Pakistan squad.
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This. Shadab is a wonderful allrounder, and I would still like to see him bat higher up, but as a bowler alone he is not yet in the same class as a rashid or a tahir or a kuldeep, let alone a saqlain or an ajmal. Not someone who will outright win you a match with the ball, in other words.
 
If we count “fully-fit” attacks then in LOI’s, it’s Pakistan.

South Africa have new inexperienced bowlers, New Zealand’s lot is expensive although higher in pace, India is lacking a second pacer (otherwise they would have an advantage over Pakistan), and Australia even with the likes of Cummins, Starc, Hazlewood, and Zampa were beaten black and blue at HOME.

Test Cricket is another story with India, South Africa, Australia, and perhaps even New Zealand comfortably ahead of Pakistan.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Well done on picking the not-so-great performers and leaving out the likes of Faheem, Shenwari, Junaid etc. Rumman Raees isn’t even part of the squad right now.
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Aren't Amir and Hasan, two of your 4 pacers in ODI team? That is 50 percent of your bowling attack.
 
ManFan said:
If we count “fully-fit” attacks then in LOI’s, it’s Pakistan.

South Africa have new inexperienced bowlers, New Zealand’s lot is expensive although higher in pace, India is lacking a second pacer (otherwise they would have an advantage over Pakistan), and Australia even with the likes of Cummins, Starc, Hazlewood, and Zampa were beaten black and blue at HOME.

Test Cricket is another story with India, South Africa, Australia, and perhaps even New Zealand comfortably ahead of Pakistan.
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Strange logic. Is Pakistan's pace attack less expensive than New Zealand's? Do bowling attacks get to be considered good only if the team wins? What second pacer, after Hasan, do Pakistan have, who is reliably better than Shami, in India's case? Amir is incapable of buying a wicket most regular ODIs. He's had one good major ODI final, and that is what his reputation rests on. Basically we have Hasan, Junaid, who is no better than Shami, Shinwari, who looks good so far but is still no less inexperienced than any South African bowler, and Shaheen, who has barely been tried at all, and looks no better than someone like Siraj for India. South African have Rabada and Ngidi and Steyn, Australia Starc, Hazlewood, Cummings, New Zealand Boult, Henry, Southee.
 
Titan24 said:
When was the last time a fast bowler picked 5 wickets in his first 5 overs of opening spell? Has anybody from India or Aus done that in recent times. Usman Shinwari did that and you are saying that he is poor than Kumar, Tye, Richardson etc. Come on man!
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I never said Kumar and Tye are better than Usman Khan or Rumman Raees. I am saying that as of now the Australian pace attack are ahead of Pakistan due to having Starc, Hazlewood, and Cummins as their front line bowlers. My post did not even mention India, I said Pakistan's pace attack are currently on par with with South Africa and NZ, but have the potential to be the best in the world if they stick with a few key players, and deliver good performances.
 
New Yorker said:
Sure, at his best Hasan Ali is a world class ODI bowler, as good as Boult or Rabada. But we are not by any distance the best attack in the world as a whole, because we don't have a genuine strike bowler spinner .
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New Yorker said:
I say on paper because Kuldeep and Chahal didnt play in the CT and have not yet had to face many good players of spin. But they are clearly Asia's best ODI spinners, after Rashid. Shadab is not a strike bowler yet. Don't forget, also, that over the course of the entire CT, India's was the second-best attack, after Pakistan, but we owe that distinction mainly to Hasan's red hot form. When he goes off the boil everything looks rather bleak.
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Interesting. I've always viewed Shadab as a pretty attacking spinner, capable of being the main man. Of course, he's no Saeed Ajmal but he's done well for himself thus far.
 
giri26 said:
Aren't Amir and Hasan, two of your 4 pacers in ODI team? That is 50 percent of your bowling attack.
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So you’re judging our entire bowling attack on the basis of 50 percent of the bowling line-up, who have played probably 5-6 games this year over a period of 9 months now. One bad NZ series on this forum has been good enough to wipe out the positive results in West Indies, CT, Sri Lanka in UAE etc.

Also FYI, Hasan picked up three wickets in the first and third ODI in NZ, while going for runs in rain-shortened games. Not really a horrible series, but not a great one either.
 
Among the better pace bowling teams, I think this is going to be 5 picks for every team (subject to fitness). Alphabetically -

AUS: Strac, Cummins, Hazlewood, Jhye Richardson, NC-Nile
ENG: Wood, Archer, Plunkett, Tim Curran/Woakes, Stokes
IND: Bumrah, Shami, BK, Khalil/Ishant, Pandeya
NZL: Boult, Ferguson, Henrey, Southee, CDG
PAK: Amir, Hasan, Shaheen, Faheem, Shinwari/JK
SAF: Styen, Rabada, Ngidi, Nortje/Morris, Pritorious/Andile
WIN: Holder, Roach, Thomas/Cottrell, Russell, A Joseph

Discuss now, about relative strength of the attack ....
 
When fit the Australian attack is the best in the world. Richardson is a good addition as well.
 
MMHS said:
Among the better pace bowling teams, I think this is going to be 5 picks for every team (subject to fitness). Alphabetically -

AUS: Strac, Cummins, Hazlewood, Jhye Richardson, NC-Nile
ENG: Wood, Archer, Plunkett, Tim Curran/Woakes, Stokes
IND: Bumrah, Shami, BK, Khalil/Ishant, Pandeya
NZL: Boult, Ferguson, Henrey, Southee, CDG
PAK: Amir, Hasan, Shaheen, Faheem, Shinwari/JK
SAF: Styen, Rabada, Ngidi, Nortje/Morris, Pritorious/Andile
WIN: Holder, Roach, Thomas/Cottrell, Russell, A Joseph

Discuss now, about relative strength of the attack ....
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Having read that list, the first thing that came to mind was that this is goign to be good to watch! :)

For Pakistan specifically . . I genuinely believe that the difference between Pakistan being a top 2 attack in the tournament vs. mid tier attack will be Amir.
I think Hasan will be steady . . and Shaheen will be good . . If someone can give Amir a kick up the backside or he can develop a fire in his belly . . or some magical thing happens to Amir (am I asking for too much? ) . . Pakistans bowling attack will be different . .

Hasan and Shadab are most effective when opening bowlers have done a job for Pak and they have put the opposition on the backfoot . . Hasan and SHadab aren't great when they are being attacked!
 
MMHS said:
Among the better pace bowling teams, I think this is going to be 5 picks for every team (subject to fitness). Alphabetically -

AUS: Strac, Cummins, Hazlewood, Jhye Richardson, NC-Nile
ENG: Wood, Archer, Plunkett, Tim Curran/Woakes, Stokes
IND: Bumrah, Shami, BK, Khalil/Ishant, Pandeya
NZL: Boult, Ferguson, Henrey, Southee, CDG
PAK: Amir, Hasan, Shaheen, Faheem, Shinwari/JK
SAF: Styen, Rabada, Ngidi, Nortje/Morris, Pritorious/Andile
WIN: Holder, Roach, Thomas/Cottrell, Russell, A Joseph

Discuss now, about relative strength of the attack ....
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It's Tom Curran not Tim. Also Woakes is a regular for England when fit in LO cricket. Willey is also a regular for England.
 
Hasan123 said:
It's Tom Curran not Tim. Also Woakes is a regular for England when fit in LO cricket. Willey is also a regular for England.
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I picked the names from ESPN preview. If Archer is picked, then Willey and one of Tom Curran & Woakes will miss the WC, they'll pick both spinners.
 
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I picked the names from ESPN preview. If Archer is picked, then Willey and one of Tom Curran & Woakes will miss the WC, they'll pick both spinners.
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Most likely be Tom curran who misses. England won't drop a player of Woakes' Calibre.
 
MMHS said:
I picked the names from ESPN preview. If Archer is picked, then Willey and one of Tom Curran & Woakes will miss the WC, they'll pick both spinners.
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Woakes is certainly going if fit. Actually Plunkett maybe the 1 to miss out. He has declined since CT. Archer can do his role plus offer more with the bat.

Willey goes due to his left arm option.
 
Lol!! Pak has the best bowling attack only in PP. Bar Shaheen rest are absolutely below per. I thought Hasan to be the next Waqar, boy could I be anymore wrong?
 
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Hyperion66 said:
Lol!! Pak has the best bowling attack only in PP. Bar Shaheen rest are absolutely below per. I thought Hasan to be the next Waqar, boy could I be anymore wrong?
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Hasan is nowhere near Waqar, don't know anybody who would describe him as that either, but he is still a match winner along with Shaheen. The rest though I agree, they are below par. Nowhere near the best ODI pace battery, just as likely to lose you a game as win it.
 
[MENTION=29670]captain ji [/MENTION], Call me a noob but I really thought Hasan as the next big thing from Pak. I think this is the first time we are going to wc with a better pace attack and a much better overall attack than Pak. Bowlers like Junaid, UKS and Abbas wouldn't even be allowed to carry drinks in the 90's.
 
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Hyperion66 said:
[MENTION=29670]captain ji [/MENTION], Call me a noob but I really thought Hasan as the next big thing from Pak. I think this is the first time we are going to wc with a better pace attack and a much better overall attack than Pak. Bowlers like Junaid, UKS and Abbas wouldn't even be allowed to carry drinks in the 90's.
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I think you opened yourself to name calling there.
 
Definitely not the best, but we still have a good attack. Hopefully Amir or Shinwari will fire. The Australian and South African attacks are just scary!
 
Action speaks louder than words Pakistan bowlers deserved criticism over poor performances but Man so called expert bumping one thread after another thread .hopefully he will receive shutup call soon.
 
How times change, back in the day when I was a kid , you had to have bowlers like Marshall, Holding, Roberts, Garner if you called it a ‘pace battery’.

These days even young Rumman Raees forms part of a pace battery
 
Majid Khan said:
How times change, back in the day when I was a kid , you had to have bowlers like Marshall, Holding, Roberts, Garner if you called it a ‘pace battery’.

These days even young Rumman Raees forms part of a pace battery
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Ouch! :91:

Pakistan's 'pace' battery is decidedly less frightening than they have been in teams of yesteryear. Still remember that team in the '99 world cup that was missing Waqar, but still had Wasim and Shoaib Akhtar operating at either end. Now those are what you call pace bowlers.
 
saeed5646 said:
Action speaks louder than words Pakistan bowlers deserved criticism over poor performances but Man so called expert bumping one thread after another thread .hopefully he will receive shutup call soon.
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Not sure who calls me expert but I bumped this thread because this is related to WC and I have bumped 6-7 such threads - each one related to WC as there is not much cricket left between WC & now. And again - the only reason is that these threads are related to WC, not to highlight some poor performance or criticize any team ....... and definitely not to troll around here; otherwise the 5th ODI against AUS ended more than a week before to bump these. There are trolls here bumping thread on Bangladesh's postponed tour and then immediately PAK's 2 Test series in AUS, 8 months later .... absolutely from nowhere, which already got shut-up call.

If you don't like the topic, stay away from the thread or don't participate, but don't start shadow war uncalled for - your couple of stooges won't come to protect you every time.


[MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] - bro, I bumped this thread and one troll is indirectly calling name here, people needs to behave properly, otherwise there is no point wasting time here. Instead of usual trolling line like - "how is PAK pacers doing now ....", I spent half an hour to study all the teams and put 40 names - which went above the head of this tool.
 
MMHS said:
Not sure who calls me expert but I bumped this thread because this is related to WC and I have bumped 6-7 such threads - each one related to WC as there is not much cricket left between WC & now. And again - the only reason is that these threads are related to WC, not to highlight some poor performance or criticize any team ....... and definitely not to troll around here; otherwise the 5th ODI against AUS ended more than a week before to bump these. There are trolls here bumping thread on Bangladesh's postponed tour and then immediately PAK's 2 Test series in AUS, 8 months later .... absolutely from nowhere, which already got shut-up call..
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Straight to point work dude .twisting words to disrespect one team is your bread and butter which you are very good at .It takes some guts to show real face instead of double face.i respect indian fans atleast they are very honest at there view unlike you.bumping 7 thread and criticize team for worldcup which is yet to happen and not in your semi finalists seems pretty odd .i don.t get where is frustration coming from...

MMHS said:
If you don't like the topic, stay away from the thread or don't participate, but don't start shadow war uncalled for - your couple of stooges won't come to protect you every time.


[MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] - bro, I bumped this thread and one troll is indirectly calling name here, people needs to behave properly, otherwise there is no point wasting time here. Instead of usual trolling line like - "how is PAK pacers doing now ....", I spent half an hour to study all the teams and put 40 names - which went above the head of this tool.
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Personal attack and false accusations. Nothing to read here .my post is from last 3 days if it had any problem mod would have taken it down.too much hue and cry for nothing
 
saeed5646 said:
Straight to point work dude .twisting words to disrespect one team is your bread and butter which you are very good at .It takes some guts to show real face instead of double face.i respect indian fans atleast they are very honest at there view unlike you.bumping 7 thread and criticize team for worldcup which is yet to happen and not in your semi finalists seems pretty odd .i don.t get where is frustration coming from...



Personal attack and false accusations. Nothing to read here .my post is from last 3 days if it had any problem mod would have taken it down.too much hue and cry for nothing
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Which team am I disrespecting here genius? I am not sure how my frustration is exposed by bumping WC related threads, may be you didn't like the topic, that's not my problem. I haven't criticized any team, and not sure why you are upset if some team isn't in my SF list - there are several teams who will miss the SF - why are you upset? Why you think that I need to pamper your ego in my posts - the feeling on entitlement is a sort of arrogance, that'll hunt you back time and again.

It was indeed personal - I made it clear to mods who bumped the thread and who calling names, and there is nothing false here.
 
I am seriously concerned at the alarming decline of Pakistan's new ball bowling. There was a time even post-2 Ws when we still had Akhtar and Asif where you'd expect us to take early wickets.

Now often teams get off to flyers against us with our gun barrel straight bowling. Even the likes of David Willey can at least swing the new white ball even if he's ineffective later on. Sometimes we don't even bother with seamers and give Imad the new ball !

We became too dependent on spin with Ajmal, and reverse swing which has been affected by two new balls.
 
Not worried about the pace attack at all. It's going from strength to strength. Our young bowlers coming up are quality and they are hungry to prove themselves.

The moment they're introduced, Amir won't last unless he recovers his pre-ban action.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Not worried about the pace attack at all. It's going from strength to strength. Our young bowlers coming up are quality and they are hungry to prove themselves.

The moment they're introduced, Amir won't last unless he recovers his pre-ban action.
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Shaheen, Hasnain, Rauf and that Shah guy? Anyone else?
 
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