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Does Pakistan need an England type Limited Overs cricket overhaul?

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I believe that this is the need of the hour if PCB wants to be considered as a top 5 cricket team. There are a lot of issues with Pakistan team currently. I am going to write down the issues and their probable solutions below.

1- The captain.

This is the biggest issue that we have currently. Babar Azam is an ultra defensive captain which is proven many times. In test matches, his first approach is to go for draw. He admitted it himself many times. In ODIs, he has lost a series against England Z team last year and will probably lose the series against Australia D now. He is not the type of captain that inspires his team to play fearless cricket and win matches. Instead he keeps playing the players like Hasan when we have Naseem and Dahani waiting for their turn.

Probable solution: In tests, make Rizwan the captain and in LOIs, make Shadab the captain and Shaheen his deputy. If both of Shadab and Shaheen are not available for LOIs due to injury, then make Rizwan the part time captain in these formats too.

2- Too many accumulators in ODIs.

We have too many accumulator type batsmen in ODIs. Imam, Babar, Saud and Rizwan, all these batsmen are in our top 5. The stats guy should be fired from the team management as he is not able to tell the management that Rizwan is of no use below number 4. He has acceptable stats at number 4, but below that number, he is just a tailender.

Probable solution: The management should take some bold steps and fix the numbers of players which are most suited to them. If I was a part of team management, I would look to play this team: Fakhar, Haris, Babar, Rizwan, Kamran / Haider / Qasim (or any domestic middle order performer who has the ability to shift gears when required), Khushdil, Shadab, Nawaz, Shaheen, Rauf, Naseem

Dropping Imam and Saud is hard, but they just do not fit in the team until they develop the approach to bat more aggressively.

3- Persistence with failures.

I am not able to understand the logic behind playing Hasan Ali in every match. Any one can see that he is out of form and needs some distance from international cricket, but I guess the team management wears some special glasses through which whenever they see Hasan Ali, they see a champions trophy man of the tournament trophy in his hand too. Otherwise, there is no explanation of why the team management is not dropping Hasan Ali in this form.

Probable solution: Replace Hasan with Naseem.

Final verdict:

Many cricket pundits associate Babar and Rizwan with top 4 or 5 cricketers. They are not even close to them. Babar has hardly more than 5 or 6 match winning innings in his 7 years of international cricket career yet. Rizwan has only performed consistently in T20Is and that too as an opener. This is a team that needs high level changes to perform better on field. In last 4 years, they had only some acceptable performance in last year's T20 WC and that too with some major luck factor as winning toss was very important in that tournament and this team feels like they are some kind of superstars after that WC. In the current state, they are not even watchable on TV.
 
The problem is some of these batters don't have solid techniques or basic batting ability.

The amount of dot balls Pakistan play is shocking, specially since it still happening in 2022, when cricket has evolved so much.
 
The problem is some of these batters don't have solid techniques or basic batting ability.

The amount of dot balls Pakistan play is shocking, specially since it still happening in 2022, when cricket has evolved so much.

Yes, as mentioned in the OP, there are too many accumulators in the team ATM. PCB management should take some brave decisions and induct players like M Haris in the team. At most they will loose, which is already happening currently with coward brand of cricket.
 
Or we could just have 2 players who score 100 runs each to bring the score closer within range.

But no, we must hire hacks and Afridis to win.
 
Or we could just have 2 players who score 100 runs each to bring the score closer within range.

But no, we must hire hacks and Afridis to win.

If you feel that Pakistan can chase 300+ if both of Babar and Imam score centuries, then I think you have not watched cricket in last few years.

England and Australia have (supposed) Afridi type players and they are considered top teams because of them. Even with 11 Afridis, if this team looses, they will at least be watchable. In the current state, they are consistently loosing and consistently unwatchable.
 
Or we could just have 2 players who score 100 runs each to bring the score closer within range.

But no, we must hire hacks and Afridis to win.

I used to be of this opinion. However when you watch the match and look at the context of the innings, it’s poor. He wasted so many deliveries, at the start of the innings the required run rate was 6, by the time he got out it was much higher. Imam played a few shots in the end but he wasted so much balls and times, chasing a score of 300+ you need your opener to be scoring at 130+ strike rate from the get go, at one stage his strike rate was 60!!

Even when the required run rate was getting higher, he started batting even slower as he approached his century. He is not too enough for one days. No one is asking for an Afridi style batsmen, however I am asking for a Head/Rohit type batsmen.
 
England could overhaul the team because they had the players to do so. It was only a matter of picking the right players.

Pakistan cannot do that because we simply do not have the talent at our disposal. The players that are playing for us are pretty much the players that we have.
 
England could overhaul the team because they had the players to do so. It was only a matter of picking the right players.

Pakistan cannot do that because we simply do not have the talent at our disposal. The players that are playing for us are pretty much the players that we have.

Yeah right ok. Tell that to yourself!

Says the guy who thinks Imam ul Haq is the best all format opener in Pakistan!!
 
Yeah right ok. Tell that to yourself!

Says the guy who thinks Imam ul Haq is the best all format opener in Pakistan!!

That’s because he is. Deal with it.

And it says more about the lack of talent in Pakistan than it does about Imam’s capabilities.
 
The the talent pool is quite average every youngsta beauty is modelling his game based on T20 cricket we don't produce anymore natural ODI players
 
England could overhaul the team because they had the players to do so. It was only a matter of picking the right players.

Pakistan cannot do that because we simply do not have the talent at our disposal. The players that are playing for us are pretty much the players that we have.

Not having players at our disposal is one thing, but having a defeatist mindset is another and a more concerning thing. Pakistan cricket is suffering from defeatist mindset currently. There is no full-time coach. The captain is ultra defensive. The chairman only cares about the sponsors and proposing quad-lateral series with India.

When England overhauled their team after 2015 WC, there was a clear change in mindset regarding LO cricket. They were ready to accept the failures when a player was trying to play aggressive cricket. They started making flattest pitches for their home LO series and domestic cricket, so the players can play that aggressive brand of cricket.

In Pakistan, the spectators do not have patience to accept the failures when a player is trying to play aggressive cricket. We do not have the coaches to guide players about aggressive cricket, and most players think that it is to play ugly leg-side hoicks. There is no directive from board to work on a specific strength, so the home pitches can be prepared according to that.

I wonder if following is the conversation between curator and board before preparing a pitch for home matches.

Curator: Should I make a spinning pitch? Is it our strength?
Board: No, it's not our strength.
Curator: Should I make a seaming pitch? Is it our strength?
Board: No, it's not our strength.
Curator: Should I make a flat pitch? Is batting our strength?
Board: No, it's not our strength.
Curator: Then, what type of pitch should I make?
Board: Just don't let the opposite team win.

:facepalm:
 
Naming them is one thing.

And then when the music time comes, they are just as likely to be as poor as Imam, if not poorer.

Nah, give them a easy start to their career like Imam by debuting them against teams like Zimbabwe and Australia c and you’ll see their averages going way over 60+.

Fact is, had Inzi not been the CS Imam wouldn’t have a cap for Pakistan till this very day. There was no justification for his selection in the first place, so what chachu did was play him against Zimbabwe to fool everyone else.
 
That’s because he is. Deal with it.

And it says more about the lack of talent in Pakistan than it does about Imam’s capabilities.

Imam ul Haq is a better T20 and ODI opener than Fakhar Zaman?

Boy you crazier than I thought you were!
 
According to Mamoon

Imam ul Haq is more than capable of scoring 200+ against bowling attacks of England/SA/ India and Australia because he is a better opener than Fakhar Zaman.

Guess what [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] ! I am 100% convinced Fakhar Zaman can hit 200+ against the best bowling attacks on his day in ODI, can you convincingly say the same about Imam???
 
Yes.

Pakistan's ODI side needs a revamp. Too many accumulators in the team.

Let’s start with kicking Babar out of his comfort zone as the captain and bring in the Ruthless Imad Wasim. He doesn’t have time for image conscious failures like Mohammad Rizwan slotting in only in positions that suit them!
 
Let’s start with kicking Babar out of his comfort zone as the captain and bring in the Ruthless Imad Wasim. He doesn’t have time for image conscious failures like Mohammad Rizwan slotting in only in positions that suit them!

imad wasim isnt good enough to get into the team let alone as captain. I do tend to agree with the notion we have too many accumulators in the team, but at the same time Babar and Rizwan are our 2 best batsmen currently so have to play in the team, combinations need to be looked at but the bigger issue for pakistan is we do not have any power hitters at all with a proper technique, our power hitters just close their eyes and swing the bat therefore accumulators will carry on being selected.
 
The fact that Umar Akmal is still in the conversation says it all about Pakistans batting resources currently.
 
imad wasim isnt good enough to get into the team let alone as captain. I do tend to agree with the notion we have too many accumulators in the team, but at the same time Babar and Rizwan are our 2 best batsmen currently so have to play in the team, combinations need to be looked at but the bigger issue for pakistan is we do not have any power hitters at all with a proper technique, our power hitters just close their eyes and swing the bat therefore accumulators will carry on being selected.

For outdated opinions like yours to be relevant, Rizwan needs to make him self useful on the pitch and not on PCB’s instagram page
 
For outdated opinions like yours to be relevant, Rizwan needs to make him self useful on the pitch and not on PCB’s instagram page

Rizwan has proved his worth over the last year or so regardless of personal opinions. what's even more outdated tho are the TTFs that are being called on to replace the like.
 
Rizwan has proved his worth over the last year or so regardless of personal opinions. what's even more outdated tho are the TTFs that are being called on to replace the like.

Proven his worth against who in ODI?

In T20 he did it against all the B team bowlers at a strike rate of 120
 
Proven his worth against who in ODI?

In T20 he did it against all the B team bowlers at a strike rate of 120

How many odis have Pak played recently?

If its so easy to score against B team players why couldn't any of our other batsmen produce the same or similar numbers, thats where the B team logic fails.
 
How many odis have Pak played recently?

If its so easy to score against B team players why couldn't any of our other batsmen produce the same or similar numbers, thats where the B team logic fails.

Give the likes of those players your kind of fans hate the same amount of games Rizwan was allowed to have as an opener against those b teams and watch how everything you Rizwan fans tell the world shatter into pieces, as if it were the biggest lie, the biggest con in the history of cricket itself.
 
Let’s start with kicking Babar out of his comfort zone as the captain and bring in the Ruthless Imad Wasim. He doesn’t have time for image conscious failures like Mohammad Rizwan slotting in only in positions that suit them!

Imad is not fit to tie rizwan shoes laces. Imad is truly a pathetic mediocre cricketer. Not a surprise you support him. As much as I dislike Khushdil he’s still a massive upgrade over wanna be superstar Imad.
 
Yes I agree thiers to many accumulators in the team Saud should not be playing in this line up its a waste of a position.Rizwan should bat at 4 and no lower.
 
[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION]

I don’t consider Fakhar as an opener. He needs to bat 3 in T20Is and 4 in ODIs.

T20Is:

Rizwan
Babar
Zaman
Haider Ali

ODIs:

Rizwan
Imam
Babar
Zaman
 
England were able to do a full 180 on the brand of cricket they played as they had a system which encouraged all out aggressive cricket plus they had a leader in the form of Morgan who could help push that brand onto the players. Pakistan both does not have the system to churn out such aggressive cricketers plus there is not leader in particular who could enforce such brand of cricket.

However I don't believe that is a bad thing.

In there pursuit to modernise the way they play the white ball game, England have basically become a bunch of minnows in the red ball format and are only competitive at home - that too barely.

Pakistan should look to form a brand of cricket that is more aggressive than what we see today, however they should not look to replace decent batsmen with rubbish hacks. Instead it would be better to bring in a coaching team which could help develop a more fearless approach amongst our current group of players through improving the basics such as: the art of strike rotation, development of release shots, bowling to a plan etc.
 
Imad is not fit to tie rizwan shoes laces. Imad is truly a pathetic mediocre cricketer. Not a surprise you support him. As much as I dislike Khushdil he’s still a massive upgrade over wanna be superstar Imad.

Thats why Imad won the PSL without playing Rizwan at all? Imad is an intellectual and intellectuals read through the fake pr of Rizwan
 
pakistan need to realize that in most conditions 300 runs is a par score. This means 1st PP is important and needs to be scored heavy in. Batting only tends to slow down at times when spinners come on if surfaces are slow. That means 1st 25 overs have to always be heavy scoring. Also with no reverse swing usually last 10 overs are important to to target.

With world cup being in India most grounds are small and pitches will resemble highways so the days of plodding along have to be gone. Todays batting has to be replicated going forward.
 
Today, Pakistan team addressed most of the points in the OP, and the result was they did their highest successful ODI chase.

1- The captain - Played positive cricket himself and it was visible in the overall team batting that they were directed to play positive cricket.

2- Too many accumulators in ODIs - The accumulators did not play like accumulators, instead they showed that they have the gears to play fast.

3- Persistence with failures - Finally dropped the biggest failure of the team.

Final verdict - This team has the ability to win consistently against good teams if they keep doing the above mentioned things.

Players who can come into the team and strengthen it more - Shadab for Zahid, Nawaz for Saud.

Strong lineup - Imam, Fakhar, Babar, Rizwan, Iftikhar, Khushdil, Shadab, Nawaz, Shaheen, Waseem / Naseem, Rauf
 
Yes 100%. The amount of proper planning that England put in from 2015-2019, the total restructuring of their team, that is what we need to ever have a chance to win a world cup.
 
I think we don't need much planning. We just need a fearless captain and players who can play modern and aggressive cricket. Batsmen who can hit a six with ease (Not Asif Ali's please). Proper cricketers with good techniques.

Bowlers need to be more aggressive and stop being fan boys. I don't think there is a problem with the skills of our bowlers. I believe there is lack of planning against each opponent batsman.
 
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