Does the new defence pact with KSA imply that Saudi will defend Pakistan against Indian aggression?

[sweep_shot]

throwback to when Delhi was Daar Ul Khilafa, seems like those days will soon return In Sha Allah. #goodtimes

In sha Allah.

India need to be liberated from the darkness of the sanghis.

 

[IAJ]

LOL, Modi have reduced you to repeating the talking points of Arnab's. This is bigger than landing Brahmos in Pakistan.

Pakistan's jets aren't there to celebrate Modi's celibacy.

He has been doing this for years and I have called him out many times. He watches the debate with Arnab and repeats same stuff day after or he watches the fake major who has got millions of subcribers only because of talking about Pakistan in his every single video.

 

[Stewie]

All fine and dandy but SA was on Pak side forever... So doing this treaty doesn't get Pakistan anything new... Militarily they can't provide anything.. money diplomacy was always available... Instead Israel USA and Iran has now Pak int target and Pak is committed to fight a losing war against Israel far away from home with no good air defense and no capability to match israel

SA was not always on Pakistan's side. Tht is a clear falsehood. When it came to diplomatic and strategic relations, SA and Ind have had a lot of cooperation. So, this is a big change. Militarily, Pakistan has the support of China, is a nuclear armed country, so its laughable you think they need assistance from SA. Anybody who keeps downplaying the value of it with just the combat aspect in mind is not fooling anyone with their lack of intelligence.

This is all about a diplomatic and strategic shift.

 

[IAJ]

So if India launches a rocket on Islamabad, it is like launching rocket on Riyadh?

My my. What a deal struck by Munir.

This deal actually means SaudiA is a nuclear country now lol

 

[straighttalk]

Might be a diplomatic win for Pakistan. If Pakistan is a serious country it obviously has to look for strategic partnerships and opportunities. It is the norm. We are laughing at the shallow understanding of the average Pakistani on diplomacy who is cheering as some kind of ownage of India lol.

Pak’s value is its nuclear arsenal . This is a great deterrence for Saudis in dealing with a nuclear state like Israel. So basically Pak gets to share its nukes.

Obviously there is monetary and strategic benefits to Pakistan.

However use common sense. If there is a nuclear doomsday scenario with Israel and India- I am sure Pakistan will be on the same page with Saudis when it comes to nuking Israel but can’t say the same for the opposite when it comes to India, Saudi will try to diffuse the situation: that’s what any one with a rational brain will tell you.

Also Pak army will be deployed in Yemen/ Houthi conflict. That’s the bigger picture.

Problem with most Pakistanis is they get all their info from social media instead of trying to research on their own and everything is India centric.

That’s all there is to it. You can hate me or not like it but that’s the absolute truth, love it or hate it.

Anyone challenging Israel will face the full force of USA.. so I don't think Paksitan nukes can actually be used against Israel because they are a nuclear country themselves.. so unless Paksitan wants to sacrifice themselves for Saudis.. then they would literally do nothing as they can't fight miles away from home. Instead the Israelos might now take preemptive offensive actions.. I can guarantee that Pak nuclear assets are not safe... Once Israel does the attack.. let's see Pak options

1. Like Iran can fire some non nuclear missiles on Israel and celebrate a massive victory where their assets are destroyed. Most likely option.

2. Can respond using nuclear bombs as Israel is tiny and will affect Arab neighbors. And any nuclear resposne means Pakistan will cease to exist as a country.

3. Now India for sure is going to pass on the intelligence to Mossad. Rest IDF will take care.

 

[straighttalk]

SA was not always on Pakistan's side. Tht is a clear falsehood. When it came to diplomatic and strategic relations, SA and Ind have had a lot of cooperation. So, this is a big change. Militarily, Pakistan has the support of China, is a nuclear armed country, so its laughable you think they need assistance from SA. Anybody who keeps downplaying the value of it with just the combat aspect in mind is not fooling anyone with their lack of intelligence.

This is all about a diplomatic and strategic shift.

SA and India has good relationship.. this is not anti India from Saudi point of view.. this is anti Israel. Yes China is on your side but you need money to buy weapons which Pak doesn't have. Saudi money will solve that issue.

India and SA realtionshop doesn't change but we are not allowed.. SA and Pak also has similar good relations... Its not like India Israel relationship.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This is a consequence of the israeli attack on Qatar and us indifference towards it. Ksa has no means of defending pakistan from an indian attack but Pakistan will be dragged into a ssudi -iran or saudi-israel conflict
Ksa doesnt have means to fight a nuclear India, its only leverage was oil supply but Russia has replaced saudi as Indias oil supplier.

Why would Saudi even be in a position they would fight India? That you are even talking in such terms shows exactly why they won't trust India, especially not in the current hindutva form. Your mindset is of hatred towards Muslims as ordained in the Quran, and that will always colour your lens.

 

[IMMY69]

Our Indian brothers here are in a right pickle... first they slag off the non existent ummah and then when two Islamic countries agree to defend each other it's suddenly doomed to failure...

At least give them some credit for trying to forge an alliance of sort...

 

[Stewie]

Our Indian brothers here are in a right pickle... first they slag off the non existent ummah and then when two Islamic countries agree to defend each other it's suddenly doomed to failure...

At least give them some credit for trying to forge an alliance of sort...

i think iss ki taqleef zyada hai inko. haha. you nailed it.

 

[straighttalk]

If there is a nuclear doomsday then Indian isn't surviving either.

Going by Sindoor technology . Pak missiles can't hit Indian targets and Indian missiles can hit any target in Pakistan . Couple that with India's nuclear triad and geographical and population depth.... In the event of doomsday.. Pak will disappear and India will be massively destroyed but will survive albeit not sure if we can call it survival.

 

[PAKFAN12]

If India shows aggression against Pakistan, Saudi Arabia will do nothing.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Our Indian brothers here are in a right pickle... first they slag off the non existent ummah and then when two Islamic countries agree to defend each other it's suddenly doomed to failure...

At least give them some credit for trying to forge an alliance of sort...

In their mind. India always wins lol.

Thats the extent of their analysis. india wins with no losses.

 

[Local.Dada]

Our Indian brothers here are in a right pickle... first they slag off the non existent ummah and then when two Islamic countries agree to defend each other it's suddenly doomed to failure...

At least give them some credit for trying to forge an alliance of sort...

You pick and chose want you want to read. Instead of getting pulled intro trolling and rhetoric, if you look around there are plenty of balanced takes on this same thread about this alliance

 

[Champ_Pal]

Our Indian brothers here are in a right pickle... first they slag off the non existent ummah and then when two Islamic countries agree to defend each other it's suddenly doomed to failure...

At least give them some credit for trying to forge an alliance of sort...

Do you really think if a war happens again between India and Pakistan, Saudis will join the war to help out Pakistan? Seriously?

All this deal is doing is to prop up Saudi Arabia with Pakistan's Nuclear weapons. They do not have to spend any money in the Nuclear Tech and get it for free from Pakistan.

Also, its not all roses for Pakistan. Saudis hate Houthis which are supported by Iran. This means If Houthis launch any rockets on Riyadh, will Pakistan join forces with Saudis in destroying Houthis which can anger Iran?

The equation is not as simple as supporting each other through thick and thin.

 

[Local.Dada]

In their mind. India always wins lol.

Thats the extent of their analysis. india wins with no losses.

This alliance has nothing to do with India, just like India- Russia-relation has nothing to do with Pakistan.

Ind-Saudi have their own deals, trade and alliance.

Maybe you should start looking at what it means for Pakistan from a larger context than just takes like oh modi must be upset, India got owned type, shallow rhetoric.

Anyway I don’t think dual passport holder Brit-Paks will be fighting in Yemen. They are probably busy dealing with Tommy Robinson and all the hatred. It will be some guy from the pind who has to fight for Arab while no Arab will lace his boots to fight India (official ones not someone part of some terrorist Tanzeem even though most seem to operate from Pak and not Arabia) . Has 0 impact on India- Saudi relationship. Maybe good for Pakistan to have a strategic partner to deal with India; that’s the max benefit.

Since, that piece of info makes too much sense and is boring, let’s go back to the fun trolling which might be more close to home . Ok

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Do you really think if a war happens again between India and Pakistan, Saudis will join the war to help out Pakistan? Seriously?

All this deal is doing is to prop up Saudi Arabia with Pakistan's Nuclear weapons. They do not have to spend any money in the Nuclear Tech and get it for free from Pakistan.

Also, its not all roses for Pakistan. Saudis hate Houthis which are supported by Iran. This means If Houthis launch any rockets on Riyadh, will Pakistan join forces with Saudis in destroying Houthis which can anger Iran?

The equation is not as simple as supporting each other through thick and thin.

Yes they will join Pakistan.

That's why Indian MEA is rattled. The treaty is very clear. It is a mutual defence act. Pakistan already had terms in place to protect the Saudis. The mutual part is the game changer here.

Houthi and Sunni Arabs are at truce. No issues for Pakistan with them. A similar force was envisaged during the time of Raheel Sharif. Pakistan declined because they didn't want to get involved with the Yemen conflict. At that time the Saudis weren't happy.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

This alliance has nothing to do with India, just like India- Russia-relation has nothing to do with Pakistan.

Ind-Saudi have their own deals, trade and alliance.

Maybe you should start looking at what it means for Pakistan from a larger context than just takes like oh modi must be upset, India got owned type, shallow rhetoric.

Anyway I don’t think dual passport holder Brit-Paks will be fighting in Yemen. They are probably busy dealing with Tommy Robinson and all the hatred. It will be some guy from the pind who has to fight for Arab while no Arab will lace his boots to fight India (official ones not someone part of some terrorist Tanzeem even though most seem to operate from Pak and not Arabia) . Has 0 impact on India- Saudi relationship. Maybe good for Pakistan to have a strategic partner to deal with India; that’s the max benefit.

Since, that piece of info makes too much sense and is boring, let’s go back to the fun trolling which might be more close to home . Ok

Explain it to your MEA brother.

We don't give two boots about the analysis of some barefoot unedcuated Indian American taxi driver.

You have no idea of broader concept. Your needle is stuck on negative consequences for Pakistan.

 

[IMMY69]

Do you really think if a war happens again between India and Pakistan, Saudis will join the war to help out Pakistan? Seriously?

All this deal is doing is to prop up Saudi Arabia with Pakistan's Nuclear weapons. They do not have to spend any money in the Nuclear Tech and get it for free from Pakistan.

Also, its not all roses for Pakistan. Saudis hate Houthis which are supported by Iran. This means If Houthis launch any rockets on Riyadh, will Pakistan join forces with Saudis in destroying Houthis which can anger Iran?

The equation is not as simple as supporting each other through thick and thin.

Of course there are nuances.

I don't for one second think that the USA didn't approve of this alliance.

I also suspect that this is really bad news for Iran.

 

[IronShield]

Do you really think if a war happens again between India and Pakistan, Saudis will join the war to help out Pakistan? Seriously?

All this deal is doing is to prop up Saudi Arabia with Pakistan's Nuclear weapons. They do not have to spend any money in the Nuclear Tech and get it for free from Pakistan.

Also, its not all roses for Pakistan. Saudis hate Houthis which are supported by Iran. This means If Houthis launch any rockets on Riyadh, will Pakistan join forces with Saudis in destroying Houthis which can anger Iran?

The equation is not as simple as supporting each other through thick and thin.

It is in Saudi's interest to make Pakistan militarily very stronger than they ever have been. More jets, more missiles, ADS... you name it with deep Saudi pockets. Imagine the squadrons of chines stealth fighters all outside the western system.

Nightmare scenario for India.

Plus point is that India will not start any misadventures again. We may just see peace return between the two countries.

 

[Local.Dada]

Explain it to your MEA brother.

We don't give two boots about the analysis of some barefoot unedcuated Indian American taxi driver.

You have no idea of broader concept. Your needle is stuck on negative consequences for Pakistan.

Obviously welfare scroungers with no value look down upon the average blue collar which is ironic and probably that’s the max demographic that they come across but you will be surprised what other high level professions Indians hold for starters head of FBI maybe out of your league/hood bruv. My sympathies.

If living in delusion and overlooking facts overcomes the pain, no complaints, good for you

 

[IMMY69]

Obviously welfare scroungers with no value look down upon the average blue collar which is ironic and probably that’s the max demographic that they come across but you will be surprised what other high level professions Indians hold for starters head of FBI maybe out of your league/hood bruv. My sympathies.

If living in delusion and overlooking facts overcomes the pain, no complaints, good for you

Oh boy..
So now are we going to go head to head on how many high earners or positions are held by each country?

Where do we start?

 

[HalBass9]

Going by Sindoor technology . Pak missiles can't hit Indian targets and Indian missiles can hit any target in Pakistan . Couple that with India's nuclear triad and geographical and population depth.... In the event of doomsday.. Pak will disappear and India will be massively destroyed but will survive albeit not sure if we can call it survival.

Stop watching Arnab and Maj. Gaurav

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Oh boy..
So now are we going to go head to head on how many high earners or positions are held by each country?

Where do we start?

Why even bother? In a thread about military alliances, these guys will always come back down to pinds, taxis, IT salaries and welfare. All. while being abused as curry munchers with BO by the unwashed locals in the country they fled to.

 

[RexRex]

This is concerning tbh. How much of this Saudi money will the Pak regime funnel to their close buddies Lakshar-e-Taiba ?

We all saw that very revealing picture of numerous military officers attending the funeral of the deceased in May.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

SA was not always on Pakistan's side. Tht is a clear falsehood. When it came to diplomatic and strategic relations, SA and Ind have had a lot of cooperation. So, this is a big change. Militarily, Pakistan has the support of China, is a nuclear armed country, so its laughable you think they need assistance from SA. Anybody who keeps downplaying the value of it with just the combat aspect in mind is not fooling anyone with their lack of intelligence.

This is all about a diplomatic and strategic shift.

This is the key factor. Why does SA even need to sign a pact with Pakistan? Why haven't they signed one with India instead?


This is something to ponder.

 

[HalBass9]

Obviously welfare scroungers with no value look down upon the average blue collar which is ironic and probably that’s the max demographic that they come across but you will be surprised what other high level professions Indians hold for starters head of FBI maybe out of your league/hood bruv. My sympathies.

If living in delusion and overlooking facts overcomes the pain, no complaints, good for you

Tu Bhai, what are you doing here. Shouldn’t you be off networking with high value professionals by now. Or are you still not valuable enough to make the groupie cut?

 

[cricketjoshila]

As expected the usual suspects have already taken over this thread with their nonsense…

However, the fact remains that this highlights Pakistan’s growing diplomacy and military strength particularly in the Middle East as a reliable partner.

Yes Pakistan army is for hire to the highest bidder. What’s new.you are not anyone’s partner When Pakistani will have to go to waragainst Israel then all will knowwho is benfitted

Pakistanis used to jump with joy when they became the us partner in afghanistan it ended up creating security issues in Pakistan.

This may be worse

KsAs rival iran is next door to Pakistan and borders the restive balo histan region.iran will start meddling there

Figh

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is the key factor. Why does SA even need to sign a pact with Pakistan? Why haven't they signed one with India instead?


This is something to ponder.

Because india won’t go to war for ksA

Indian Army isn’t for hire

 

[HalBass9]

Yes Pakistan army is for hire to the highest bidder. What’s new.you are not anyone’s partner When Pakistani will have to go to waragainst Israel then all will knowwho is benfitted

Pakistanis used to jump with joy when they became the us partner in afghanistan it ended up creating security issues in Pakistan.

This may be worse

KsAs rival iran is next door to Pakistan and borders the restive balo histan region.iran will start meddling there

Figh

Pak will go to war against Israel? LOL

Way too much Arnab.

 

[HalBass9]

Because india won’t go to war for ksA

Indian Army isn’t for hire

India did go to war for Bangladesh.

 

[IAJ]

Oh boy..
So now are we going to go head to head on how many high earners or positions are held by each country?

Where do we start?

Nearly one in every five people on Earth is Indian, so honestly, I'm more surprised they don't hold even more top positions!

 

[cricketjoshila]

India did go to war for Bangladesh.

Because it was becoming a problem for us millions of refugees streaming in.

 

[HalBass9]

Because it was becoming a problem for us millions of refugees streaming in.

Yea, that is why India went to war for Bangladesh.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pak will go to war against Israel? LOL

Way too much Arnab.

What if Israel attacks ksa like it attacked qatar

 

[Stewie]

This is the key factor. Why does SA even need to sign a pact with Pakistan? Why haven't they signed one with India instead?


This is something to ponder.

Some of the indian posters here already have answered that question.

1- SA does not trust USA/Israel anymore and feels threatened.
2- They feel only a true member of the muslim Ummah will protect them and not a non-muslim nation known for watching out for just themselves.
3- As recently witnessed, they dont have much war and defense capabilities to talk about in the first place.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yea, that is why India went to war for Bangladesh.

You can google and listen to to speech of indira gandhi from 1971 on this.

 

[HalBass9]

You can google and listen to to speech of indira gandhi from 1971 on this.

Of course.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Some of the indian posters here already have answered that question.

1- SA does not trust USA/Israel anymore and feels threatened.
2- They feel only a true member of the muslim Ummah will protect them and not a non-muslim nation known for watching out for just themselves.
3- As recently witnessed, they dont have much war and defense capabilities to talk about in the first place.

Usa or India or Russia or Europe wont move against Israel that leaves only one Pakistan and pakistan needs sA money so this pact

 

[cricketjoshila]

Can any Pakistani explain how will KSA help pakistan against india?

 

[HalBass9]

Can any Pakistani explain how will KSA help pakistan against india?

First, India needs to help itself. Ever since the last illegal aggression led by a 75 year old, unmarried, chest thumping grandpa with a 56 inch complex, the country’s been bouncing around like a ping pong ball just trying to stay relevant.

 

[Local.Dada]

how about this, since there is no India and Pakistan active battle happening right now, how about Saudi forces India to restore IWT. I remember Pakistan calling it a act of war so it would be an act of war against Saudi too I am assuming.

Since I have been called a janitor, taxi driver for asking the same question earlier , let me sweeten the deal, I will put up $50 of my hard earned money as a bet, any of you rich folks ready to take me up on it

 

[Stewie]

Can any Pakistani explain how will KSA help pakistan against india?

A lot has been said on the subject. My favorite is the deportation of all the janitors back to India from SA.

 

[Local.Dada]

A lot has been said on the subject. My favorite is the deportation of all the janitors back to India from SA.

Reeks of a fetish lol

 

[straighttalk]

Stop watching Arnab and Maj. Gaurav

Nah I go by satellite images and lack thereof.. you go by you delulu fantasies... Share some pics of Pak missiles hitting Indian targets .. even your army shows videos of missiles firing with Islamic slogans and your pm uses Chinese missiles launch to felicitate failed marshall... Lmao.. can't make this **** up

 

[straighttalk]

This is the key factor. Why does SA even need to sign a pact with Pakistan? Why haven't they signed one with India instead?


This is something to ponder.

Bcos India and Israel are friends.. and we don't trust a terrorist country like Saudi arabia with draconic laws that don't respect women and minorities

 

[HalBass9]

Nah I go by satellite images and lack thereof.. you go by you delulu fantasies... Share some pics of Pak missiles hitting Indian targets .. even your army shows videos of missiles firing with Islamic slogans and your pm uses Chinese missiles launch to felicitate failed marshall... Lmao.. can't make this **** up

You seem upset, both are just agenda driven political commentators who knows the demand for the addiction exist, not Breaking bad show that you can’t stop watching.

 

[straighttalk]

You seem upset, both are just agenda driven political commentators who knows the demand for the addiction exist, not Breaking bad show that you can’t stop watching.

In my entire life I have watched Arnab for literally an hour in total mostly to laugh at him.. he is a grade a idiot and on that I agree with you. My information is based on wide spread damage images shared online on India inflicted damage in Paksitan on both terrorist bases and airbases and 0 zero zilch nada from the Chinese satellites searching for non existent damage on Indian side.

 

[Bhaijaan]

The happiness among Pakistani posters is heartening to see. They deserve to see happy moments. I wish them nothing but the best. Let’s think positively. None of us have to go to war. Saudi Arabia is a mutual friend of ours who loves Pakistan in the name of Islam but also deeply respects and values India as a cultural friend. Maybe this is a sort of an insurance between our nations.

People need to come out of their securities. Those who desire India to be the greatest nation in the world cannot keep wishing Pakistan remains a failed state. That’s not a responsible globalist view of a sane person.

If you’re a truly healthy person at heart and in mind; you must wish greatness for your neighbour Pakistan as well. They must also achieve the finest things and earn a great deal of respect in the world. The world has enough wealth, love and respect for all of us. If Pakistanis become happy and powerful it doesn’t necessarily mean something will be taken from India. Let’s be brave and good hearted men and grow together.

I would like to credit my good friend @gazza619 who helped me see the light and tone down on my bad behaviour. I introspected deeply and repented the small person I was becoming. But with his help and motivation, I have made positive changes in my life and can see visible changes in my health and lifestyle.

 

[Rafale Nidhal]

India will never fight another country's war.. we will support Israel for sure.. but why fight their war. Only idiots fight another person war and create enemies and target on your back

supporting how? travel their trying to kiss their feet and getting kicked isn't supporting, trying to get into restaurants and getting kicked out isn't supporting, calling their women beautiful and asking for marriage isn't supporting. So what exactly is this support?

Israel is your master, you have to obey whatever they command you. That's what you call support.

Meanwhile, what Pakistan and Saudi Arabia signed is a true meaning of supporting each other.

 

[LordJames]

The happiness among Pakistani posters is heartening to see. They deserve to see happy moments. I wish them nothing but the best. Let’s think positively. None of us have to go to war. Saudi Arabia is a mutual friend of ours who loves Pakistan in the name of Islam but also deeply respects and values India as a cultural friend. Maybe this is a sort of an insurance between our nations.

People need to come out of their securities. Those who desire India to be the greatest nation in the world cannot keep wishing Pakistan remains a failed state. That’s not a responsible globalist view of a sane person.

If you’re a truly healthy person at heart and in mind; you must wish greatness for your neighbour Pakistan as well. They must also achieve the finest things and earn a great deal of respect in the world. The world has enough wealth, love and respect for all of us. If Pakistanis become happy and powerful it doesn’t necessarily mean something will be taken from India. Let’s be brave and good hearted men and grow together.

I would like to credit my good friend @gazza619 who helped me see the light and tone down on my bad behaviour. I introspected deeply and repented the small person I was becoming. But with his help and motivation, I have made positive changes in my life and can see visible changes in my health and lifestyle.

Dear @Bhaijaan

You know that I always appreciate you, your thoughts and your input. I do not know your background or where you grew up but I would like you, @uppercut @straighttalk @Rajdeep @Vikram1989 @JaDed @Champ_Pal or anybody else who has grown up in India to answer a simple question for everybody else who has never lived in India.

Is it common in Indian schools, colleges, and universities for Muslims to be mocked or equated with Pakistan?

I want one of you to be honest and respond honestly to @Stewie @ElRaja @Patriot @The Bald Eagle @Major @Mamoon @DeadlyVenom or those who have never lived in India about what happens to Muslim students in Indian schools, colleges and universities.

Please give an honest and direct answer that Muslims in India for no reason do not get equated and compared with Pakistan on a daily basis.

And the answer is not to start saying this (or that) happens to Hindus in Pakistan.

And the answer is also not "I had a lot of Muslim friends in university etc"...

Thanks

 

[cricketjoshila]

Nah I go by satellite images and lack thereof.. you go by you delulu fantasies... Share some pics of Pak missiles hitting Indian targets .. even your army shows videos of missiles firing with Islamic slogans and your pm uses Chinese missiles launch to felicitate failed marshall... Lmao.. can't make this **** up

Washington post isn’t run by arnab they did a detailed analysis of indian missile hits on pakistani bases

 

[JaDed]

Israel is your master, you have to obey whatever they command you. That's what you call support.

You are confusing Amreekan-Pakistani relationship, I understand where you are coming from but India doesn't do that bombing it's own citizens for America who in turn actually listens to Israel.. hopefully you know who you listen to lol.

 

[cricketjoshila]

supporting how? travel their trying to kiss their feet and getting kicked isn't supporting, trying to get into restaurants and getting kicked out isn't supporting, calling their women beautiful and asking for marriage isn't supporting. So what exactly is this support?

Israel is your master, you have to obey whatever they command you. That's what you call support.

Meanwhile, what Pakistan and Saudi Arabia signed is a true meaning of supporting each other.

A 3.7 bn economy with nukes has no master that kind relationship is for bank rupt countries like Pakistan who put their armies up for hire for a few dollars.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You are confusing Amreekan-Pakistani relationship, I understand where you are coming from but India doesn't do that bombing it's own citizens for America who in turn actually listens to Israel.. hopefully you know who you listen to lol.

Pakistanis think everyone is like them

See how proudly they’re tom toming this pact whete ksa is hiring Pakistan to fight its war.

 

[cricketjoshila]

supporting how? travel their trying to kiss their feet and getting kicked isn't supporting, trying to get into restaurants and getting kicked out isn't supporting, calling their women beautiful and asking for marriage isn't supporting. So what exactly is this support?

Israel is your master, you have to obey whatever they command you. That's what you call support.

Meanwhile, what Pakistan and Saudi Arabia signed is a true meaning of supporting each other.

IsrElis visit India in droves

Pakistani opinion on indo israel relationship is a joke
WhT pakis ksa signed is a ksa lease agreement of leasing Pakistan army.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Dear @Bhaijaan

You know that I always appreciate you, your thoughts and your input. I do not know your background or where you grew up but I would like you, @uppercut @straighttalk @Rajdeep @Vikram1989 @JaDed @Champ_Pal or anybody else who has grown up in India to answer a simple question for everybody else who has never lived in India.

Is it common in Indian schools, colleges, and universities for Muslims to be mocked or equated with Pakistan?

I want one of you to be honest and respond honestly to @Stewie @ElRaja @Patriot @The Bald Eagle @Major @Mamoon @DeadlyVenom or those who have never lived in India about what happens to Muslim students in Indian schools, colleges and universities.

Please give an honest and direct answer that Muslims in India for no reason do not get equated and compared with Pakistan on a daily basis.

And the answer is not to start saying this (or that) happens to Hindus in Pakistan.

And the answer is also not "I had a lot of Muslim friends in university etc"...

Thanks

Dear @LordJames bhai,
Thank you for your kind words and the let me assure you the respect is mutual.

I would gladly answer your question but if you don’t mind, I would post my reply in the relevant thread as such a comment is not directly related to this thread and would be considered as violation of forum rules which is not expected from me as a veteran poster. I hope you would understand and support. Thanks

 

[RexRex]

A lot has been said on the subject. My favorite is the deportation of all the janitors back to India from SA.

Why do you look down on janitors ? They are hardworking people too.

 

[HalBass9]

In my entire life I have watched Arnab for literally an hour in total mostly to laugh at him.. he is a grade a idiot and on that I agree with you. My information is based on wide spread damage images shared online on India inflicted damage in Paksitan on both terrorist bases and airbases and 0 zero zilch nada from the Chinese satellites searching for non existent damage on Indian side.

India still experiencing damages.

 

[Red-Indian]

Dear @Bhaijaan

You know that I always appreciate you, your thoughts and your input. I do not know your background or where you grew up but I would like you, @uppercut @straighttalk @Rajdeep @Vikram1989 @JaDed @Champ_Pal or anybody else who has grown up in India to answer a simple question for everybody else who has never lived in India.

Is it common in Indian schools, colleges, and universities for Muslims to be mocked or equated with Pakistan?

I want one of you to be honest and respond honestly to @Stewie @ElRaja @Patriot @The Bald Eagle @Major @Mamoon @DeadlyVenom or those who have never lived in India about what happens to Muslim students in Indian schools, colleges and universities.

Please give an honest and direct answer that Muslims in India for no reason do not get equated and compared with Pakistan on a daily basis.

And the answer is not to start saying this (or that) happens to Hindus in Pakistan.

And the answer is also not "I had a lot of Muslim friends in university etc"...

Thanks

Is this a serious question?

No it's extremely uncommon for Pakistan to be mentioned in conversation with either Muslims or Hindus. Especially if you're talking in environments like schools, colleges and universities.

Of course Indian Muslims face a lot of challenges. But so do Indians from the North East, lower caste Indians, North Indians in the South, South Indians in the North etc. etc. India is full of challenges for people living here. However, the specific issues Indian Muslims deal with day to day have very little to do with being associated with Pakistan. It's smaller discriminations, name calling...things minority communities face worldwide.

I think perhaps from talking in your own echo chambers, you have a weird idea of how Muslims in India live and the kind of challenges they face. I also assure you there's no wholesale immigration of Muslims from India. While I suppose like most Indians, they'd jump at a chance to migrate to a developed country, they're not looking to illegally escape to Pakistan, Bangladesh, Burma etc.

 

[LordJames]

Is this a serious question?

No it's extremely uncommon for Pakistan to be mentioned in conversation with either Muslims or Hindus. Especially if you're talking in environments like schools, colleges and universities.

Of course Indian Muslims face a lot of challenges. But so do Indians from the North East, lower caste Indians, North Indians in the South, South Indians in the North etc. etc. India is full of challenges for people living here. However, the specific issues Indian Muslims deal with day to day have very little to do with being associated with Pakistan. It's smaller discriminations, name calling...things minority communities face worldwide.

I think perhaps from talking in your own echo chambers, you have a weird idea of how Muslims in India live and the kind of challenges they face. I also assure you there's no wholesale immigration of Muslims from India. While I suppose like most Indians, they'd jump at a chance to migrate to a developed country, they're not looking to illegally escape to Pakistan, Bangladesh, Burma etc.

Dear @Red-Indian

You have engaged in whataboutism by bringing "North Indians", "South Indians" etc into the discussion, which is all irrelevant.

It is common and frequent for Indian Muslims to be constantly addressed viz-a-viz Pakistan.

 

[Red-Indian]

Dear @Red-Indian

You have engaged in whataboutism by bringing "North Indians", "South Indians" etc into the discussion, which is all irrelevant.

It is common and frequent for Indian Muslims to be constantly addressed viz-a-viz Pakistan.

How long have you lived in India? Or have you ever?

I have lived here for 45 years across several states and I assure you Pakistan is far less relevant in day to day Indian discourse than you may believe from interacting with the small group of Indians on this forum. While I can't deny that it would be an insult to call a Indian Muslim a 'Pakistani' just like it would be an insult to call me a "Kaalu", neither of these insults are faced in day to day real life.

 

[RexRex]

It is common and frequent for Indian Muslims to be constantly addressed viz-a-viz Pakistan.

This never happens. Apart from maybe stray incidents in North India, involving people from far-right hindu groups .. who are mostly losers with no purpose in life.

 

[Stewie]

How long have you lived in India? Or have you ever?

I have lived here for 45 years across several states and I assure you Pakistan is far less relevant in day to day Indian discourse than you may believe from interacting with the small group of Indians on this forum. While I can't deny that it would be an insult to call a Indian Muslim a 'Pakistani' just like it would be an insult to call me a "Kaalu", neither of these insults are faced in day to day real life.

I know my thoughts on this wont matter because I have never lived in India, but when I was a university student, I saw a lot of indian fellow students here in the US refer to an Indian Muslim student as Pakistani, and they used that term as a derogatory term. The Indian hindus were Gujarati background and the indian muslim was from bombay

Most indians here wont believe me, but this is not a lie. Our experiences shape our views and this is definitely one of my experiences.

 

[Stewie]

This never happens. Apart from maybe stray incidents in North India, involving people from far-right hindu groups .. who are mostly losers with no purpose in life.

This I can believe. I would suggest its probably cmmon practice in North India as well as Gujarat, from what I have seen.

 

[Red-Indian]

I know my thoughts on this wont matter because I have never lived in India, but when I was a university student, I saw a lot of indian fellow students here in the US refer to an Indian Muslim student as Pakistani, and they used that term as a derogatory term. The Indian hindus were Gujarati background and the indian muslim was from bombay

Most indians here wont believe me, but this is not a lie. Our experiences shape our views and this is definitely one of my experiences.

Seems weird to be honest. I did admit that Pakistani is a derogatory term used towards Indian Muslims but how often are derogatory terms used in public? I've never actually heard the word used in real life. Yes in inflammatory political speeches by radical right wing politicians, it's not uncommon...but I don't suppose you're referring to that.

It's a tricky question to ask my Muslim friends though we've had plenty of reasonably open conversations about religious discrimination and other related issues but I'm going to try and bring it up to get their perspective. I would bet an Indian Muslim could go years without hearing that word. Just like an American Black could go years without hearing the 'N' word but suddenly face it in some exceptional circumstances.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Seems weird to be honest. I did admit that Pakistani is a derogatory term used towards Indian Muslims but how often are derogatory terms used in public? I've never actually heard the word used in real life. Yes in inflammatory political speeches by radical right wing politicians, it's not uncommon...but I don't suppose you're referring to that.

It's a tricky question to ask my Muslim friends though we've had plenty of reasonably open conversations about religious discrimination and other related issues but I'm going to try and bring it up to get their perspective. I would bet an Indian Muslim could go years without hearing that word. Just like an American Black could go years without hearing the 'N' word but suddenly face it in some exceptional circumstances.

Most of these derogatory speeches reflect the on ground sentiment. They are usually populists using language familiar to the people. If it is a ruling party or large political party looking for votes making those statements, and they receive a large amount of the vote share, then surely it isn't a stretch to assume that the language/thinking can't be uncommon.

 

[Josh]

So Pakistan is finally ready to take on Israel? I believe It's an alliance against Israel tied with the recent events of attack on Doha by Israel.

 

[Stewie]

Seems weird to be honest. I did admit that Pakistani is a derogatory term used towards Indian Muslims but how often are derogatory terms used in public? I've never actually heard the word used in real life. Yes in inflammatory political speeches by radical right wing politicians, it's not uncommon...but I don't suppose you're referring to that.

It's a tricky question to ask my Muslim friends though we've had plenty of reasonably open conversations about religious discrimination and other related issues but I'm going to try and bring it up to get their perspective. I would bet an Indian Muslim could go years without hearing that word. Just like an American Black could go years without hearing the 'N' word but suddenly face it in some exceptional circumstances.

You want to know whats weird? this is not even from Modi era or the ultra hindu nationalist era. This happened during the early -mid 2000s when things were much "better?"

 

[HalBass9]

I know my thoughts on this wont matter because I have never lived in India, but when I was a university student, I saw a lot of indian fellow students here in the US refer to an Indian Muslim student as Pakistani, and they used that term as a derogatory term. The Indian hindus were Gujarati background and the indian muslim was from bombay

Most indians here wont believe me, but this is not a lie. Our experiences shape our views and this is definitely one of my experiences.

Had similar experience.

 

[Red-Indian]

Most of these derogatory speeches reflect the on ground sentiment. They are usually populists using language familiar to the people. If it is a ruling party or large political party looking for votes making those statements, and they receive a large amount of the vote share, then surely it isn't a stretch to assume that the language/thinking can't be uncommon.

As the poet (I think it's just a line from a TV show actually) says "Who know what evil lurks in the hearts of men?"

I've see too many relatives and friends I respect show racist colours when they think they're private in WhatsApp groups to be naive about hidden racist/religious/casteist feelings. Also, Trump's rise in the US, Le Pen's rise in France and yes Modi's rise in India etc. show that there is real mileage in exploiting the majority's fears and prejudices against the minority.

However this does not always align with day to day experiences. I'm unmistakeably Indian in my appearance and accent and though I've lived for years in the States and Europe, I have never faced open name calling and belittling. I'm sure some (many?) of the people I interacted with harbored secret racist feelings towards me...they voted Trump into power didn't they?

@LordJames seems to live in some fantasy world where he thinks Indian Muslims can't go a day without being called names - especially "Pakistani." Try that in a typical Indian school/college environment and you'd get a punch in the face. As I said earlier, just like you'd get a punch in the face from calling an American black a N***. Muslims are not some tiny minority in India. There are 200+ million of them. Almost as many as are in Pakistan.

 

[JaDed]

Seems weird to be honest. I did admit that Pakistani is a derogatory term used towards Indian Muslims but how often are derogatory terms used in public? I've never actually heard the word used in real life. Yes in inflammatory political speeches by radical right wing politicians, it's not uncommon...but I don't suppose you're referring to that.

It's a tricky question to ask my Muslim friends though we've had plenty of reasonably open conversations about religious discrimination and other related issues but I'm going to try and bring it up to get their perspective. I would bet an Indian Muslim could go years without hearing that word. Just like an American Black could go years without hearing the 'N' word but suddenly face it in some exceptional circumstances.

It depends upon where you are from, wannbes in North use this, my assumption is you are in west, this doesn’t happen in South,East or West(Gujarat maybe)..

For example Khalistani is a derogatory term used as well but not common except UP.

 

[JaDed]

Most of these derogatory speeches reflect the on ground sentiment. They are usually populists using language familiar to the people. If it is a ruling party or large political party looking for votes making those statements, and they receive a large amount of the vote share, then surely it isn't a stretch to assume that the language/thinking can't be uncommon.

They are looking for votes, Indian elections are a continuous process.. they say stuff which is politically relevant, Maharastra politics currently is so much on language doesn’t mean Marathis hate hindi-speaking people, they want to make a political base around it , yes. Same with other linguistic politicians, along similar lines as religious ones.

 

[Red-Indian]

You want to know whats weird? this is not even from Modi era or the ultra hindu nationalist era. This happened during the early -mid 2000s when things were much "better?"

Well if you heard it, you heard it. Maybe being abroad allowed them to show their true racist self.

Just have to say it's pretty rare in India. There are a lot of insults Hindus call Muslims and Muslims call Hindus when they're sure the other side isn't listening but open name calling is not common and Pakistani is definitely not a usual insult. It's not very relevant or particularly hurtful to be honest.

 

[JaDed]

Well if you heard it, you heard it. Maybe being abroad allowed them to show their true racist self.

Just have to say it's pretty rare in India. There are a lot of insults Hindus call Muslims and Muslims call Hindus when they're sure the other side isn't listening but open name calling is not common and Pakistani is definitely not a usual insult. It's not very relevant or particularly hurtful to be honest.

These stuff happens among Pakistanis as well, they might not agree here, from my experience the least derogatory remarks I have heard are from Malayalees and Telugus two of my fav groups that are pretty chill even when in majority.

 

[Stewie]

As the poet (I think it's just a line from a TV show actually) says "Who know what evil lurks in the hearts of men?"

I've see too many relatives and friends I respect show racist colours when they think they're private in WhatsApp groups to be naive about hidden racist/religious/casteist feelings. Also, Trump's rise in the US, Le Pen's rise in France and yes Modi's rise in India etc. show that there is real mileage in exploiting the majority's fears and prejudices against the minority.

However this does not always align with day to day experiences. I'm unmistakeably Indian in my appearance and accent and though I've lived for years in the States and Europe, I have never faced open name calling and belittling. I'm sure some (many?) of the people I interacted with harbored secret racist feelings towards me...they voted Trump into power didn't they?

@LordJames seems to live in some fantasy world where he thinks Indian Muslims can't go a day without being called names - especially "Pakistani." Try that in a typical Indian school/college environment and you'd get a punch in the face. As I said earlier, just like you'd get a punch in the face from calling an American black a N***. Muslims are not some tiny minority in India. There are 200+ million of them. Almost as many as are in Pakistan.

So I believe there might be a disconnect there. I dont think any of us are claiming Indian Muslims are hurled abuses of being "Pakistani" day in and day out an all the time. I think the larger point to be made here is that - this is how some Indians feel towards them. This may not be completely out in the open. But even in the media you see this from time to time that as soon as an Indian Muslim speaks remotely in context of the rights and abuses of their community, immediately some neta from the right issues a threat suggesting that person should go to Pakistan.

 

[Red-Indian]

It depends upon where you are from, wannbes in North use this, my assumption is you are in west, this doesn’t happen in South,East or West(Gujarat maybe)..

For example Khalistani is a derogatory term used as well but not common except UP.

Yep South Indian grew up in the West. But I have lived in Delhi as well for 2 unfortunate years. Can't say I heard the word much there either.

Perhaps that James guy has heard it from a couple of his friends like @Stewie heard it in his college and extrapolated from there.

 

[Stewie]

several instances: an indian muslim guy played pretty good cricket and we were arranging a pakistani students vs indian students game and some of the hindu students truly believed that he would go play for the pakistani side when the poor guy was adamant he wanted to play for the indian side. obviously once that confusion was out of the way, they played him and were happy to do so but i could see the hurt they had caused by even insinuating that he would play for the opposition just because he prayed with us.

 

[JaDed]

Yep South Indian grew up in the West. But I have lived in Delhi as well for 2 unfortunate years. Can't say I heard the word much there either.

Perhaps that James guy has heard it from a couple of his friends like @Stewie heard it in his college and extrapolated from there.

The word they use for Muslims is “Abdul” or even more uncivil one is “Mulle”, Pakistani is not used as commonly anymore.

 

[Red-Indian]

So I believe there might be a disconnect there. I dont think any of us are claiming Indian Muslims are hurled abuses of being "Pakistani" day in and day out an all the time. I think the larger point to be made here is that - this is how some Indians feel towards them. This may not be completely out in the open. But even in the media you see this from time to time that as soon as an Indian Muslim speaks remotely in context of the rights and abuses of their community, immediately some neta from the right issues a threat suggesting that person should go to Pakistan.

Here's the exact question I was responding to

Is it common in Indian schools, colleges, and universities for Muslims to be mocked or equated with Pakistan?

I want one of you to be honest and respond honestly to @Stewie @ElRaja @Patriot @The Bald Eagle @Major @Mamoon @DeadlyVenom or those who have never lived in India about what happens to Muslim students in Indian schools, colleges and universities.

Please give an honest and direct answer that Muslims in India for no reason do not get equated and compared with Pakistan on a daily basis.

If you want to have a common Indian neta bashing session, sign me up for it. Too many Indian (or should I say world) politicians have figured out that the way to get the secret racist vote is to openly say the things some of the racists are only thinking. You guys hear only the politicians who're openly racist against Muslims. You have no real idea how dirty Indian politics can get against various communities, castes etc.

 

[Red-Indian]

The word they use for Muslims is “Abdul” or even more uncivil one is “Mulle”, Pakistani is not used as commonly anymore.

I've heard those words. Again mostly in private. You can't go around calling a Muslim "mulle" in public unless you're, as @RexRex puts it "a loser from a far right group" and surrounded by a bunch of losers like yourself to be able to feel cocky enough to get away with it.