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"Doesn't matter if SC says Nawaz is corrupt, we will always vote for him": PML-N Punjab supporters

Was watching this tv show where anchor went to interview folks on the street and a lot of them were like, "don't accept this decision", "nawaz sharif is in our hearts"' "he will always have our vote", "what about Imran khans corruption", "this is a saazish", etc etc

Will try to find some clips

But seemed like that atleast on an electoral level this judgement may not have much impact in Punjab
 
It is such a disgraceful mentality. Cult-like thinking that won't allow the country to move on from the monarchy that the Sharif's have made. It is disgusting.
 
Definitely, all the PML - N supporters who voted for the party in previous elections would vote for him again. Even before the Panama Gate Scandal and the disqualification it was known to everyone about how corrupt NS is, yet people voted for him and since he has now got Shahadat and became a victim of conspiracy, people will vote for him again.
 
A few days ago, was talking to a taxi driver, I asked "Whom do you vote for?", He said, "I personally think

Imran Khan is better, but in our place, we have a baraadri of around 250 people and the elders decide whom to

vote for and for the last 10 years, Nawaz Sharif has been our preference and he also wins because our Baraadri

is a very strong one that puts PRESSURE on other baraadri's", "Pressure?" I asked; "Yes, Pressure, if there

Party looses, means their vote didn't mean and its a matter of DISRESPECT", he replied.
 
Most people were pessimistic about Panama case but i said all along that it will be almost impossible for judges to ignore so much evidence since there have been BBC documentaries made about their money laundering, Dar's Affidavit, Pnama papers impact on other countries etc.

But i am really pessimistic about it's impact on people, yes some neutrals will swing in PTI favour and some PMLN supporters may not vote at all but an average PMLN supporter will not stop voting them no matter what. Firstly they aren't bothered about corruption as long as someone can build a few fancy projects like dancing fountains, bridges, motorways etc. They think Nawaz Sharif does them a favour by giving these gifts and they genuinely believe everything done by Sharif is a favour and gift.

I think Sindh in this regard is even worse though, they still vote for PPP even if they don't build NOTHING.
 
Disgraceful mentality,same in Sindh with PPP.

Our leaders won't change until the mentality of our common people does.
 
That's why this nation will never progress. Peoples who would not accept their little cousin stealing some candies but have absolute no moral problem with "leaders" (what have they ever done ?) stealing billions from already poor masses. Perhaps it's fashionable to be a Third World nation tho.
 
No need to worry so much. PMLN still has a vote bank, yes, but they will disintegrate in the future.

Also this constituency is NA-120, PMLN's strongest constituency and home ground.
 
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No need to worry so much. PMLN still has a vote bank, yes, but they will disintegrate in the future.

Also this constituency is NA-120, PMLN's strongest constituency and home ground.

and still in this constituency a lady doctor from PTI ended up getting 53,000 votes against Nawaz Sharif in 2013!
 
You have to be a special kind of a ... to still vote for Nawaz :facepalm:

Nothing will change in this country sadly..........
 
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I think Sindh in this regard is even worse though, they still vote for PPP even if they don't build NOTHING.

I disagree. Simply because no one else even goes to campaign in Sindh. However most major parties campaign big time in Punjab. Obv the Sindh folks are still likely to vote PPP but riight now they dont even have any other option because no one bothers to campaign there. Major parties know winning in Punjab is the prize as that gets you the federal government
 
You have to be a special kind of a ... to still vote for Nawaz :facepalm:

Nothing will change in this country sadly..........

Things will change; don't get disheartened :)

I foresee Shabaz getting disqualified soon. PMLN will be so dented then. The future is bright, we just need to wait. And one thing you realise that majority of PMLN supporters are the elder folks, they are going to pass away in the next 10 years or so. Ofcourse, this aint a nice thing to say but reality.
 
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What these people don't understand unfortunately is that the inflation, poor health facilities, poor education system etc. all brews down to the fact that they took money, money that belonged to these very people out of the country.

No amount of any projects like metro bus or highways can compensate for that.

We are a country where people cannot even eat one meal properly and they are partly the culprits for it!!!
 
What these people don't understand unfortunately is that the inflation, poor health facilities, poor education system etc. all brews down to the fact that they took money, money that belonged to these very people out of the country.

No amount of any projects like metro bus or highways can compensate for that.

We are a country where people cannot even eat one meal properly and they are partly the culprits for it!!!

People who still support NS is not one meal a day people. When they come to that level , I'm sure they will not vote for NS/PML-N
 
I have many people on facebook who are saying Nawaz Sharif is innocent and they are happy to see Shahbaz Sharif taking his seat. This is why democracy can never work in Pakistan the society is so backward thinking and rulers feel it's part of their job to do corruption and get kickbacks.
 
What about a voter qualification criteria? I know even our Master level education does not inculcates critical thinking, but you should at least be able to read a newspaper to vote. I guess matric or even education up to 8th grade will be a good step to start with.
 
Wow. And there was I thinking Panama verdict would strongly damage PML-N.

A funny kind of democracy is Pakistan.
 
Disgraceful mentality,same in Sindh with PPP.

Our leaders won't change until the mentality of our common people does.

False equivalence... Even if you win all of Sindh you do not form federal government, but if you win just 70-80% of Punjab you will form federal government. That is why Sindhis having slave mentality doesn't effect Pakistan as much as Punjabis having slave mentality. Another reason why Punjab needs to be split into two or three provinces.
 
What about a voter qualification criteria? I know even our Master level education does not inculcates critical thinking, but you should at least be able to read a newspaper to vote. I guess matric or even education up to 8th grade will be a good step to start with.

I have foreign educated university graduates in my friend list who were doing matam on Nawaz's disqualification. This slave mentality is hard to remove.
 
Wow. And there was I thinking Panama verdict would strongly damage PML-N.

A funny kind of democracy is Pakistan.

I think when one person is brought to justice for corruption in a system where many are corrupt, it gives him a chance to play the victim card.
 
I have foreign educated university graduates in my friend list who were doing matam on Nawaz's disqualification. This slave mentality is hard to remove.

But they are in minority. As are my couple of acquaintances.
 
This is not going to last. The Sharif's have lost a lot control over Punjab in the last few years. It's a matter of time now. The roots though still intact have dried up and are mainly for show.
 
I think when one person is brought to justice for corruption in a system where many are corrupt, it gives him a chance to play the victim card.

This. Pakistan needs a few more scalps before the election comes so that PML-N are unable to use the exclusive victim card to gain votes. If IK is serious about tackling corruption, he should go after Zardari sooner rather than later
 
This is why the one man or one institution savior model has not worked and will never work for Pakistan. Mushrraf sent NS packing as well and the crime was much worse then. People rejoiced and sweets were distributed and everyone thought the Sharif chapter of our history has been closed forever and look what happened.

NS was already on his way out. He appeared much more sedate and resigned this time around. He was a sitting duck ready to be taken out. Maryam was going to take over anyways. This verdict did not interrupted anything as they have a succession plan already in place. Shehbaz will keep the seat at the top warm till Maryam can take over. The fire in the belly of the PML-N supporters was gone but we just provided them that and also just around the right time, a year before the general elections.
 
This. Pakistan needs a few more scalps before the election comes so that PML-N are unable to use the exclusive victim card to gain votes. If IK is serious about tackling corruption, he should go after Zardari sooner rather than later

IK is going to do it but IMHO he should focus on 2018 instead of opening too many fronts just before elections to waste his energy and divide focus. If his party can somehow win the elections and come into power thn there will be enough time to go after all these crooks.
 
Wow. And there was I thinking Panama verdict would strongly damage PML-N.

A funny kind of democracy is Pakistan.

Yes I don't know what could be the strategy to counter this

Already pml-n is giving indications that they will constitutionally curtail power of courts now after what happened this time.

It's kinda sad situation.

Apart from KPK no region of ours (for one reason or another) wants to change its votes regardless of what the heck happens
 
This is not going to last. The Sharif's have lost a lot control over Punjab in the last few years. It's a matter of time now. The roots though still intact have dried up and are mainly for show.
Crucial for them is that they have held their party together

Only way they lose in Punjab (or even win narrowly) is if there is a mass exodus from their party.However all senior and mid level pml n leaders are in it and backing the supreme leader (in Saad rafiqs words)
 
it is easy to blame us people of punjab when people are not aware of the ground realities. before moving to the us we lived in lahore and have establishments there.

the fact is that the sharif govt have done great work for us and for other people in punjab.

my family and other people in punjab will not give up on him and his party because they are good for us. you need to think from their perspective. everyone does what is best for himself and for his family only. why do you think my father took us out from pak in 2009 when terrorism was at its peak?

why do you think punjab voted for a punjabi,sindh voted for a sindhi, kpk voted for a pathan and balochistan voted for a balochi in 2013??? every province voted for the party that was best FOR THEM so please stop targeting the punjabis and get off your high horse.

before i am blamed for support a corrupt party please allow me to clarify that i PERSONALLY do not support pmln and i wish to see ik become pm in 2018 because this country needs new leadership and ik has his flaws but at least he is not financially corrupt. when was the last time we had a leader who was not corrupt??

but lets not forget that all parties comes with flaws and all leaders have their shortcomings.

ik is not corrupt himself but same cannot be said about his party members who have never done anything for the country.

for example ik once said on tv that sheikh rasheed is not even good enough to be his chaprasi but now he is happy to nominate him as pm. what kind of leadership is this??

he has welcomed crooks and useless politicians in his party because they win elections in their district and this is the way he wants pti to become federal power.

i am sorry but these people will not bring change.

the biggest problem of them all of course is army itself. they pull the strings from the headquarters and the politicians are just puppets. they determine our foreign policy as well and if ik does not bow to them like nawaz he too will be kicked out

nawaz's govt has never been allowed to complete its term by the army and the only reason why zardari completed his term was because he did not mess with the army and did as they commanded.

our foreign policy became aggressive under zardari because that is what the army wanted and as nawaz pushed for friendly relations the army kicked him out as they did previously.

so if imran hopes to complete his sterm he better not mess with the army.
 
it is easy to blame us people of punjab when people are not aware of the ground realities. before moving to the us we lived in lahore and have establishments there.

the fact is that the sharif govt have done great work for us and for other people in punjab.

my family and other people in punjab will not give up on him and his party because they are good for us. you need to think from their perspective. everyone does what is best for himself and for his family only. why do you think my father took us out from pak in 2009 when terrorism was at its peak?

why do you think punjab voted for a punjabi,sindh voted for a sindhi, kpk voted for a pathan and balochistan voted for a balochi in 2013??? every province voted for the party that was best FOR THEM so please stop targeting the punjabis and get off your high horse.

before i am blamed for support a corrupt party please allow me to clarify that i PERSONALLY do not support pmln and i wish to see ik become pm in 2018 because this country needs new leadership and ik has his flaws but at least he is not financially corrupt. when was the last time we had a leader who was not corrupt??

but lets not forget that all parties comes with flaws and all leaders have their shortcomings.

ik is not corrupt himself but same cannot be said about his party members who have never done anything for the country.

for example ik once said on tv that sheikh rasheed is not even good enough to be his chaprasi but now he is happy to nominate him as pm. what kind of leadership is this??

he has welcomed crooks and useless politicians in his party because they win elections in their district and this is the way he wants pti to become federal power.

i am sorry but these people will not bring change.

the biggest problem of them all of course is army itself. they pull the strings from the headquarters and the politicians are just puppets. they determine our foreign policy as well and if ik does not bow to them like nawaz he too will be kicked out

nawaz's govt has never been allowed to complete its term by the army and the only reason why zardari completed his term was because he did not mess with the army and did as they commanded.

our foreign policy became aggressive under zardari because that is what the army wanted and as nawaz pushed for friendly relations the army kicked him out as they did previously.

so if imran hopes to complete his sterm he better not mess with the army.

What foreign police? we have no forign policy. No foreign minister, an adviser is a joke
We have been isolated by many countries due to this legendary act of HIS HIGNESS NAWAZ SHARIF who believes that he can look after each and everything and trusts no one. He is a dictator hiding himself in the name of democracd and that idiot SAAD RAFIQUE proved this that they are dictators by saying that 2nd sharif will replace first and 3rd will replace 2nd.
IS this democracy? Joke of democracy. Whyshahbaz sharif has to be elected ? it shows that there is no MNA eligible o be a PM from over 150 MNAs?? NO. It proves that MIAN SAHB is a king and he is still running the government. if he was a democratic leader he wouldn't be using the same protocol and using the PM secretariat funds and vehicles and government houses and no party member would have allowed a disgraced person to have a say in Party matters
 
What foreign police? we have no forign policy. No foreign minister, an adviser is a joke
We have been isolated by many countries due to this legendary act of HIS HIGNESS NAWAZ SHARIF who believes that he can look after each and everything and trusts no one. He is a dictator hiding himself in the name of democracd and that idiot SAAD RAFIQUE proved this that they are dictators by saying that 2nd sharif will replace first and 3rd will replace 2nd.
IS this democracy? Joke of democracy. Whyshahbaz sharif has to be elected ? it shows that there is no MNA eligible o be a PM from over 150 MNAs?? NO. It proves that MIAN SAHB is a king and he is still running the government. if he was a democratic leader he wouldn't be using the same protocol and using the PM secretariat funds and vehicles and government houses and no party member would have allowed a disgraced person to have a say in Party matters

our foreign policy is dictated by the army. they do not want us to have good diplomatic relations because it weakens them. our army thrives on conflict and as long as they are interested in politics we will never have a stable foreign policy
 
our foreign policy is dictated by the army. they do not want us to have good diplomatic relations because it weakens them. our army thrives on conflict and as long as they are interested in politics we will never have a stable foreign policy

That's what a slave of NAWAZ thinks, if army had to do such baadmashi they would have made sure that the foreign adviser is some retired general and is answerable to army unlike that puppet Sartaj aziz and would have given the foreign secretary appointment to another LT General like the defence secretary
 
There are always going to be blind followers who never think for themselves or in a sense never think for others. For example they might be Nawaz supporter because the PML-N government built a new road in their village while not caring about how the other areas of the country are being poorly managed. They only care about their benefit and this is not how a country functions. This is not why a nation rises.

In my eyes anybody in his 20s and early 30s who supports Nawaz, Zardari and all the other old school politicians, who have been in the politics before we were even born, who have zero qualifications except for having the power to manhandle you, really need to rethink their vision for Pakistan. In two weeks time the 70th anniversary of our nation will be celebrated. If we are honest in our intentions of changing the course of our country's future than we have to look beyond the emotional songs and ask ourselves do we really want to persist on with the old mindset and attitude of the generations before us?

The elderly ones should be respected, their sacrifice and hard work should be recognized no doubt, credit should be given where credit is due, heed should be given to their advice where necessary, no question. But do we really want to keep up with the mentality of group thinking, prejudice, denial of facts and the unwillingness to change one's opinion? Do we really want to keep up the attitude of unprofessionalism, looking only for ones benefit and the inability to handle criticism objectively and work on the shortcomings? Do we really want to carry on the animosity towards each other's as those before us did? Do we honestly want to keep the old ways and the old habits while delusionally hoping for a better outcome?

Or do we dare to take a new route, a route which involves thinking for oneself but also for the well being of the fellow countrymen, a route which involves forgiveness and patience towards other. Do we open ourselves to constructive criticism and hold ourselves to a higher standard. A standard which demands of us to conduct ourselves professionally in any field and a standard which asks of us to admit our mistakes and wrong doing and be willing to critically scrutinize everything and change our ways accordingly.

Do we dare to rethink a new plan on how to lead this country forward or are we just going to enjoy the drama from the sidelines and point fingers on the shortcomings of those who are at least willing to try something different.

The madness and unprofessionalism of the decades before us can't be allowed to keep on going. At least I am not willing to. The accountability of Sharif and co was a first step and it is not finished yet while there is a long way to go.
 
If he or his party come to power again in 2018 it will be a slap in the face for development..
 
The question really is now where does PML-N go from here. Nawaz Sharif is disqualified. Ishaq Dar who being Finance Minister had one of the most important jobs in the country is disqualified. Shahbaz Sharif is in Hudaibiyah mills case. Shahid Khaqan Abbasi is involved in a LMG scam. Ahsan Iqbal has an iqama.

If PTI continues to put pressure on PML-N their main party leaders will all be gone. My gut tells me that over the course of 4-5 years PML-N will either disintegrate if all these guys go to jail after criminal trial with the other members of party joining the likes of PTI and PPP. In case it is not proven that these guys are guilty Nawaz Sharif will continue to control the party and will place suitable puppets in place. Nawaz has some people very loyal to him as he himself has made money and has allowed others also to make money being in power. Nawaz Sharif's strategy is to help people in his party make money at the cost of the country so that they are so loyal to him and are obliged to defend him every step of the way.

My hope is the party disintegrates which is the only way the publc will stop voting for them. Punjabis have this beradri issue and it won't change over night and will take years before this mind set ends.
 
PML-N supporters have been brainwashed by the leadership of the party into thinking that Nawaz was disqualified for merely having an Iqama. There was some serious mass-brainwashing exercises done by the PML-N after the verdict.
 
Ever since Donald Trump won the election I have been of the view that democracy is flawed because it allows EVERYONE a voice when, actually, some people's voices are best unheard. The best way to fix it is to set some standards for casting a vote, for example that each voter must have completed X amount of education.
 
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it is easy to blame us people of punjab when people are not aware of the ground realities. before moving to the us we lived in lahore and have establishments there.

the fact is that the sharif govt have done great work for us and for other people in punjab.

my family and other people in punjab will not give up on him and his party because they are good for us. you need to think from their perspective. everyone does what is best for himself and for his family only. why do you think my father took us out from pak in 2009 when terrorism was at its peak?

why do you think punjab voted for a punjabi,sindh voted for a sindhi, kpk voted for a pathan and balochistan voted for a balochi in 2013??? every province voted for the party that was best FOR THEM so please stop targeting the punjabis and get off your high horse.

before i am blamed for support a corrupt party please allow me to clarify that i PERSONALLY do not support pmln and i wish to see ik become pm in 2018 because this country needs new leadership and ik has his flaws but at least he is not financially corrupt. when was the last time we had a leader who was not corrupt??

but lets not forget that all parties comes with flaws and all leaders have their shortcomings.

ik is not corrupt himself but same cannot be said about his party members who have never done anything for the country.

for example ik once said on tv that sheikh rasheed is not even good enough to be his chaprasi but now he is happy to nominate him as pm. what kind of leadership is this??

he has welcomed crooks and useless politicians in his party because they win elections in their district and this is the way he wants pti to become federal power.

i am sorry but these people will not bring change.

the biggest problem of them all of course is army itself. they pull the strings from the headquarters and the politicians are just puppets. they determine our foreign policy as well and if ik does not bow to them like nawaz he too will be kicked out

nawaz's govt has never been allowed to complete its term by the army and the only reason why zardari completed his term was because he did not mess with the army and did as they commanded.

our foreign policy became aggressive under zardari because that is what the army wanted and as nawaz pushed for friendly relations the army kicked him out as they did previously.

so if imran hopes to complete his sterm he better not mess with the army.

since when did Imran Khan become a person from KPK

His family has been in Punjab for generations and he cannot even speak pushto.
 
Ever since Donald Trump won the election I have been of the view that democracy is flawed because it allows EVERYONE a voice when, actually, some people's voices are best unheard. The best way to fix it is to set some standards for casting a vote, for example that each voter must have completed X amount of education.

What's worse is that Pakistan's democracy ends at the ballot box. They're electing authoritarian dynasties.
 
Shame on PML-n supporters calling the boy Nawaz sharif killed a 'martyr for their cause'
 
Ever since Donald Trump won the election I have been of the view that democracy is flawed because it allows EVERYONE a voice when, actually, some people's voices are best unheard. The best way to fix it is to set some standards for casting a vote, for example that each voter must have completed X amount of education.

Parliament is just one pillar of democracy.
 
Yes the above completely agree. People mindset has to change as well and think about everyone has a whole and not the individual self..
 
Been watching some shows recently where journalists go into localities in Lahore, Faisalabad etc and interview random people on the street

You only can facepalm watching those interviews
 
Been watching some shows recently where journalists go into localities in Lahore, Faisalabad etc and interview random people on the street

You only can facepalm watching those interviews

I have given up hope on our awaam.Won't be surprised if PMLN wins again in Punjab,and thus forms the federal govt.

These politicians only benefit from keeping the society illiterate.
 
Disgraceful mentality,same in Sindh with PPP.

Our leaders won't change until the mentality of our common people does.

There isn't enough poverty it seems, or at least it doesn't affect the vote bank. If everyone was starving in Punjab surely there would be more desire for change? Seems like people are just happy to get by and thus you get this meh mentality.
 
There isn't enough poverty it seems, or at least it doesn't affect the vote bank. If everyone was starving in Punjab surely there would be more desire for change? Seems like people are just happy to get by and thus you get this meh mentality.

a couple of fancy roads trump poverty

i also think that maybe these folks think poverty is Allah's decision so dont blame rulers which is why they KEEP getting reelected
 
Our biggest setback as a country was that we didn't bring down the biradri/zamidari system when we got Independence. The truth/justice aren't as important to people as allegiances :(
 
Pakistani people just don't understand democracy :facepalm:
 
You watched "To the point" by Mansoor Ali Khan didn't you :ashwin
 
Democracy has always been a sham, surprising that it took Trump Modi and Nawaz for people to realise this :facepalm:
 
a couple of fancy roads trump poverty

i also think that maybe these folks think poverty is Allah's decision so dont blame rulers which is why they KEEP getting reelected

Then we have to admire their faith in Allah, seems if they were more intelligent they would have less faith and would resort to cheating and looting like the politicians they keep re-electing.
 
So what's the feel like in Punjab?
 
Most N supporters are blaming it on the millitary.

Off course they would, corrupt people can never blame other corrupt people. It may be me, but i have yet to meet a Noora that is even half educated or able to have a discussion without resorting to shouting.
 
What I find funny is that it was the PMLN supporters here that would say PTI supporters think of Imran as some mesiah and that the PTI can do no wrong. Now even when their leaders are sentenced to jail they come out defending them.

Also, this deep state, military intervention is now getting boring.
 
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