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Donald Trump tells Imran Khan he is ready to mediate on Kashmir issue, says Modi asked for his help

'Trump's Kashmir mediation offer was more than Pakistan expected'

Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi has said that US President Donald Trump’s offer to mediate between Pakistan and India on the Kashmir issue exceeded Islamabad’s expectations.

According to Radio Pakistan, the foreign minister told a private news channel that the proposition for the US to act as a mediator came from India, but the Modi government has backtracked from their stance owing to political opposition.

He said PM Imran used the meeting with President Trump to reaffirm Pakistan’s commitment to peace in the region, particularly with India.
“Imran Khan has made the US realise that Kashmir is a flashpoint which demands an early resolution,” Qureshi said.

Trump’s offer to help mend strained ties between the two nuclear-armed neighbours was largely seen as a diplomatic victory for Islamabad.

“I was with Modi two weeks ago and we talked about this subject and he actually said ‘Would you like to be a mediator or arbitrator’, I said ‘Where’, He said ‘Kashmir’. Because this has been going on for many, many years … I think they would like to see it resolved and you [Imran Khan] would like to see it resolved. If I can help, I would love to be a mediator,” Trump said.

However, India’s foreign ministry had denied that Modi ever asked Trump to act as a mediator.

“We have seen [Donald Trump’s] remarks to the press that he is ready to mediate, if requested by India and Pakistan, on Kashmir issue. No such request has been made by Narendra Modi to the US president,” said India’s Ministry of External Affairs Spokesperson Raveesh Kumar.

Commenting on New Delhi’s retraction, FM Qureshi said such an adamant attitude would cost India heavily, adding that the situation in the Indian-occcupied territory was deteriorating by the day.

On Afghanistan, the foreign minister said the US wants dialogue to resolve the conflict and PM Imran has committed to play his role in convincing the Taliban leadership.

“The prime minister categorically stated that the notion of strategic depth is outdated and Pakistan is ready to extend all-out assistance for Afghan peace,” said Qureshi.

He said Pakistan wants the ballot to replace the bullet in Afghanistan and wants Taliban leaders to join the political process by taking part in elections.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2023194/1-trumps-kashmir-mediation-offer-pakistan-expected/
 
lets say he did but what would he mediate, they way he gave east jerusalem to Israel without a blink of an eye, ignoring all past resolutions.

We need UN mediation not US.
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
lets say he did but what would he mediate, they way he gave east jerusalem to Israel without a blink of an eye, ignoring all past resolutions.

We need UN mediation not US.
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There is no use in having the US, UN or any country mediate until Kashmiris themselves wake up. Throwing rocks won't solve anything, despite the fact it makes for good YouTube banter and proves Kashmir is a mess, it doesn't solve the issue.

This is one thing I like about the Punjabi Indians...they are organized both in terms of funds and political support (especially from the diaspora in the UK and Canada) for the Khalistan movement. They did this in 30 years after 1984...meanwhile Kashmiris are like chickens with their heads cut off.

The first thing we need is some sort of Kashmiri awakening. If Kashmiris insist on flip flopping between Mehbooba Mufti and Omar Abdullah, then Kashmir dispute will never be solved. Both play on the fence like typical politicians instead of taking a stand...they're smart...because Kashmiris themselves don't take a loud stand. If the Kashmiri population as a whole took a stand, both of them would become separatists in a second.

At this point I can only hope the younger brass of Kashmiri youth entering politics (Shehla Shora, Shah Faesal etc.) will lead Kashmir out of this mess.

Once Kashmiri politicians are adamant about independence, then third-party mediation is out of the question.
 
RameezRambo_Fan said:
There is no use in having the US, UN or any country mediate until Kashmiris themselves wake up. Throwing rocks won't solve anything, despite the fact it makes for good YouTube banter and proves Kashmir is a mess, it doesn't solve the issue.

This is one thing I like about the Punjabi Indians...they are organized both in terms of funds and political support (especially from the diaspora in the UK and Canada) for the Khalistan movement. They did this in 30 years after 1984...meanwhile Kashmiris are like chickens with their heads cut off.

The first thing we need is some sort of Kashmiri awakening. If Kashmiris insist on flip flopping between Mehbooba Mufti and Omar Abdullah, then Kashmir dispute will never be solved. Both play on the fence like typical politicians instead of taking a stand...they're smart...because Kashmiris themselves don't take a loud stand. If the Kashmiri population as a whole took a stand, both of them would become separatists in a second.

At this point I can only hope the younger brass of Kashmiri youth entering politics (Shehla Shora, Shah Faesal etc.) will lead Kashmir out of this mess.

Once Kashmiri politicians are adamant about independence, then third-party mediation is out of the question.
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Khalistan joke again? Lol.

Shehla rashid? Shah Faisal? They cant lead a mohalla.
 
RameezRambo_Fan said:
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More than 30 years of supporting Kashmir separatist insurgency, including the Kargil misadventure, and this video...this youtube video is the best you got? Really?

khoda pahad nikli chuhiya

Believe me, I understand that there is an issue in Kashmir. And I do NOT trivialize the suffering of the people of Kashmir. Every person should have the right to live with dignity. No doubt about that at all.

What I am pointing to is a more fundamental question. Something that more and more Pakistanis should be asking of their Army and ISI. And that is ... where have all the billions spent on ISI's policy for getting back Indian occupied Kashmir gone? What has Pakistan got to show for it?

All said and done, I do have some respect for General Pervez Musharraf, former Chief Executive of Pakistan. What this Chief Executive of Pakistan told openly to jouranlists on camera, once was that...'Ofcourse we support separatists and terrorists in Indian Kashmir. What other options do we have? The world doesnt care about Indian Kashmir and what is happening there. So this is our last resort'.

Musharraf, with all his inadequacies, was the last Pakistani general and politician to try and get one inch of Indian Kashmir. He tried it through the ill conceived, ill planned, ill executed misadventure at Kargil. However, I give full marks to this man for sincerely trying to get something that has been the elusive dream of every Pakistani since independence. He also tried it through peaceful means when he visited India for talks with Indian PM Vajpayee. I mean there is no doubt that this man tried his darnest best to get that coveted prize for all Pakistanis.

But other than him, I don't think any Pakistani politician or General has the will and commitment to get the job done.

Unfortunately what Musharraf had in jazba, he lacked in zahanat/ intelligence. That is what happens when you make a less deserving General the Army Chief after superceding eight other more senior and capable Generals. But then again, I doubt those eight other Generals had Musharraf's jazba or junoon.

Looking back, I feel it was India's good luck that Musharraf planned out the Kargil misadventure, keeping most of his Army generals (and all Navy/AirForce leadership) in the dark about the planned Kargil attack to liberate Indian Kashmir. Had he taken inputs from more intelligent Generals, Admirals, Air Marshals, and executed the plan with more military brainpower and planning, who knows how that Kargil war would have ended.

Today this is what Wikipedia states about the Kargil war for the whole world to see:

'Result: Decisive Indian victory. India regains possession of Kargil.
Territorial changes: None'

Also from Wikipedia on Kargil war, this:

'The cause of the war was the infiltration of Pakistani soldiers disguised as Kashmiri militants into positions on the Indian side of the LOC, which serves as the de facto border between the two states. During the initial stages of the war, Pakistan blamed the fighting entirely on independent Kashmiri insurgents, but documents left behind by casualties and later statements by Pakistan's Prime Minister and Chief of Army Staff showed involvement of Pakistani paramilitary forces, led by General Ashraf Rashid'

So not only did Pakistan lose the war to win back Indian Kashmir. Pakistan also lost the perception war in the court of global public opinion. Meanwhile, India strengthens its grip on Indian Kashmir by the day.

Sadly such youtube videos is all that Pakistanis are left with to comfort themselves.

Thank God for letting us live in the world of youtube. At the click of a button we can all enter such a nice feel good world of make believe.

Isn't youtube fantastic?

On a more factual note, in my opinion the ONLY way forward is for India and Pakistan to talk as sensible and emerging strong nations and resolve their differences through dialogue. And then enter a world where these two large nations cooperate and build an enormous economic powerhouse that dazzles the world.

If Germany, UK, France can do it, so can India and Pakistan. There is simply no reason that Pakistan and India cannot coexist and cooperate like Canada and the US do.

That would be a win win for Pakistan and India. And also all the people of Kashmir as well.

Prosperity for all.
 
xbronze said:
More than 30 years of supporting Kashmir separatist insurgency, including the Kargil misadventure, and this video...this youtube video is the best you got? Really?

khoda pahad nikli chuhiya

Believe me, I understand that there is an issue in Kashmir. And I do NOT trivialize the suffering of the people of Kashmir. Every person should have the right to live with dignity. No doubt about that at all.

What I am pointing to is a more fundamental question. Something that more and more Pakistanis should be asking of their Army and ISI. And that is ... where have all the billions spent on ISI's policy for getting back Indian occupied Kashmir gone? What has Pakistan got to show for it?

All said and done, I do have some respect for General Pervez Musharraf, former Chief Executive of Pakistan. What this Chief Executive of Pakistan told openly to jouranlists on camera, once was that...'Ofcourse we support separatists and terrorists in Indian Kashmir. What other options do we have? The world doesnt care about Indian Kashmir and what is happening there. So this is our last resort'.

Musharraf, with all his inadequacies, was the last Pakistani general and politician to try and get one inch of Indian Kashmir. He tried it through the ill conceived, ill planned, ill executed misadventure at Kargil. However, I give full marks to this man for sincerely trying to get something that has been the elusive dream of every Pakistani since independence. He also tried it through peaceful means when he visited India for talks with Indian PM Vajpayee. I mean there is no doubt that this man tried his darnest best to get that coveted prize for all Pakistanis.

But other than him, I don't think any Pakistani politician or General has the will and commitment to get the job done.

Unfortunately what Musharraf had in jazba, he lacked in zahanat/ intelligence. That is what happens when you make a less deserving General the Army Chief after superceding eight other more senior and capable Generals. But then again, I doubt those eight other Generals had Musharraf's jazba or junoon.

Looking back, I feel it was India's good luck that Musharraf planned out the Kargil misadventure, keeping most of his Army generals (and all Navy/AirForce leadership) in the dark about the planned Kargil attack to liberate Indian Kashmir. Had he taken inputs from more intelligent Generals, Admirals, Air Marshals, and executed the plan with more military brainpower and planning, who knows how that Kargil war would have ended.

Today this is what Wikipedia states about the Kargil war for the whole world to see:

'Result: Decisive Indian victory. India regains possession of Kargil.
Territorial changes: None'

Also from Wikipedia on Kargil war, this:

'The cause of the war was the infiltration of Pakistani soldiers disguised as Kashmiri militants into positions on the Indian side of the LOC, which serves as the de facto border between the two states. During the initial stages of the war, Pakistan blamed the fighting entirely on independent Kashmiri insurgents, but documents left behind by casualties and later statements by Pakistan's Prime Minister and Chief of Army Staff showed involvement of Pakistani paramilitary forces, led by General Ashraf Rashid'

So not only did Pakistan lose the war to win back Indian Kashmir. Pakistan also lost the perception war in the court of global public opinion. Meanwhile, India strengthens its grip on Indian Kashmir by the day.

Sadly such youtube videos is all that Pakistanis are left with to comfort themselves.

Thank God for letting us live in the world of youtube. At the click of a button we can all enter such a nice feel good world of make believe.

Isn't youtube fantastic?

On a more factual note, in my opinion the ONLY way forward is for India and Pakistan to talk as sensible and emerging strong nations and resolve their differences through dialogue. And then enter a world where these two large nations cooperate and build an enormous economic powerhouse that dazzles the world.

If Germany, UK, France can do it, so can India and Pakistan. There is simply no reason that Pakistan and India cannot coexist and cooperate like Canada and the US do.

That would be a win win for Pakistan and India. And also all the people of Kashmir as well.

Prosperity for all.
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Good post. Agreed with all points you made.

However, I don't think it is possible for India-Pakistan to become friendly neighbors. Due to various reasons it will take at least two to three decades for both nations to become friendly with each other.
 
big_gamer007 said:
Good post. Agreed with all points you made.

However, I don't think it is possible for India-Pakistan to become friendly neighbors.
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It really doesn't matter if India and Pakistan are friends, 2 countries have different set of priorities, one has prospered economically, politically and progressing further, whilst the other country has yet to achieve anything meaningful since independence and is on the verge of bankruptcy.....
 
FM Qureshi calls on US to persuade India for Kashmir talks

ISLAMABAD: Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi on Friday urged the United States to use its influence to persuade India to come to the table for a peaceful resolution of the Kashmir dispute.

Responding to US President Donald Trump’s reiteration of offer to mediate between Pakistan and India on the decades-long Kashmir conflict, Qureshi said India was avoiding the talks and did not appear willing to negotiate on the matter.

“India is involved in a bloodbath [in occupied Kashmir]. India insists it is a bilateral matter, but it is not even willing to come to the table for talks,” the foreign minister told Geo News.

Indian Minister of External Affairs Subrahmanyam Jaishankar earlier today rejected Trump’s reiterated offer to mediate between the two neighbours on Kashmir, saying any discussion on the disputed region would take place bilaterally and only with Pakistan.

Trump, in his meeting last month with Prime Minister Imran Khan, had offered to help to resolve the Kashmir issue. The US president earlier this week reiterated the offer to intervene during a conversation with reporters at the White House.

“Trump offered mediation keeping in view the regional situation. We thank [him] for the offer, and we have expressed our willingness,” Qureshi said.

“We want peace. Our focus right now is the Afghan peace process. If India [tries to] create any obstacle to the peace process in Afghanistan, then regional peace will suffer.

“India won’t agree easily to the Kashmir talks. [We urge] the US to exercise its influence and persuade India [to come to the table],” the foreign minister said, adding that he was writing a letter to the United Nations secretary general in this regard.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/244172-fm-qureshi-calls-on-us-to-persuade-india-for-kashmir-talks
 
Trump reiterates offer to mediate Kashmir dispute; India insists it's a bilateral issue

United States President Donald Trump has reiterated his offer to mediate the Kashmir dispute between Pakistan and India, telling reporters he is willing to intervene but a decision would be up to the leaders of both the countries.

Last month, Trump, while talking to the media alongside Prime Minister Imran Khan at the White House, had said that Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi had recently asked him whether he would like to be a mediator or arbitrator on Kashmir — something New Delhi immediately denied.

Trump, when questioned on Thursday by a reporter regarding India's rejection of third-party mediation, asked: "Have they accepted the offer or not?"

When told no, he said: "It is really up to Prime Minister [Narendra] Modi."

"I met Prime Minister [Imran] Khan, I got along great with [the premier]. I think they are fantastic people — Khan and Modi — I mean, I would imagine they could get along very well," he added.

"But if they wanted somebody to intervene, to help them [...] and I spoke with Pakistan about that and I spoke frankly in India about it [...] that battle has been going on for a long time."

“If I can, if they wanted me to, I would certainly intervene,” Trump said.

India, however, again rejected President Trump’s offer.

India’s foreign minister said he told Secretary of State Mike Pompeo that any discussion of the disputed Himalayan region would be between India and Pakistan only. The two men met on Friday on the sidelines of an Asian security forum in Bangkok. India has long refused outside attempts to resolve the conflict while Pakistan has sought international help.

“Have conveyed to American counterpart @SecPompeo this morning in clear terms that any discussion on Kashmir, if at all warranted, will only be with Pakistan and only bilaterally,” Minister for External Affairs S. Jaishankar said in a tweet.

He said he and Pompeo had wide-ranging discussions on regional issues.

In a brief statement about the meeting, the State Department did not mention Kashmir or the mediation offer. It said Pompeo and Jaishankar “discussed our shared commitment to upholding the rule of law, freedom of navigation, and democratic values in the Indo-Pacific region”.

Earlier on Thursday, a senior State Department official said Trump’s offer to help resolve the Kashmir dispute should be seen against the backdrop of the US desire to help improve relations between India and Pakistan.

Briefing the media on Prime Minister Imran's visit to Washington last week, the official reiterated the US offer to help India and Pakistan resolve the 70-year old dispute, if asked by both.

“We recognise that Kashmir has been a bilateral issue but there are opportunities as Pakistan takes steps that build confidence in its own efforts to counter terrorism [and] ultimately towards a constructive dialogue. We stand ready to assist if asked by the parties to do so,” the senior State Department official added.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1497670/t...r-dispute-india-insists-its-a-bilateral-issue
 
So basically Pakistan urging US to ask India to start a dialogue. US says it will only get involved if India wants. India has said No.

So this useless dialogue process wont happen. Good.
 
big_gamer007 said:
Good post. Agreed with all points you made.

However, I don't think it is possible for India-Pakistan to become friendly neighbors. Due to various reasons it will take at least two to three decades for both nations to become friendly with each other.
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You mean centuries coz thats how long it took for Europe to stop the war shed lol
 
cricketjoshila said:
So basically Pakistan urging US to ask India to start a dialogue. US says it will only get involved if India wants. India has said No.

So this useless dialogue process wont happen. Good.
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Its the right time for dialogue,’ Imran is even visiting states with the Army , this is the only time in history when civilian and Army are on the same page.
 
JaDed said:
Its the right time for dialogue,’ Imran is even visiting states with the Army , this is the only time in history when civilian and Army are on the same page.
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What will Dialogue achieve? An agreement? A treaty?

Has Pakistan adhered to any treaty it has signed on Kashmir?

They want dialogue and treaty when they are under pressure. Right now Pakistan is having big economic issues and Indian retaliation to any infilteration attempt is causing economic drain. Hence the push for dialogue.

As soon as Pakistan is free of these troubles, the agreement will go into arabian sea.

Its better to stick to status quo.
 
Only route to peace is from introspection.
Are the extremist elements of India willing to do this?
 
cricketjoshila said:
What will Dialogue achieve? An agreement? A treaty?

Has Pakistan adhered to any treaty it has signed on Kashmir?

They want dialogue and treaty when they are under pressure. Right now Pakistan is having big economic issues and Indian retaliation to any infilteration attempt is causing economic drain. Hence the push for dialogue.

As soon as Pakistan is free of these troubles, the agreement will go into arabian sea.

Its better to stick to status quo.
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Fantastic tea.
 
JaDed said:
You mean centuries coz thats how long it took for Europe to stop the war shed lol
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I have 3-5 decades to live at max anything that happens after that is not my concern :). I would love to see india-pakistan as good friends in my lifetime and will love to visit Pakistan. So have little hope but realistically I know it's not going to happen in my time.
 
cricketjoshila said:
What will Dialogue achieve? An agreement? A treaty?

Has Pakistan adhered to any treaty it has signed on Kashmir?

They want dialogue and treaty when they are under pressure. Right now Pakistan is having big economic issues and Indian retaliation to any infilteration attempt is causing economic drain. Hence the push for dialogue.

As soon as Pakistan is free of these troubles, the agreement will go into arabian sea.

Its better to stick to status quo.
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Well on that basis if you are saying there is such mistrust that Pakistan will not adhere to any bilateral treaty or agreement - then surely mediation is the way to go and would be in India’s interest? Ask the US to mediate and they are willing to as Trump says, or other world powers such as UK, China, Russia , and reach a settlement and then sign a treaty , have neutral observers oversee it , such that Pakistan or India would have nowhere to hide if they go against the treaty.

This attitude from India that Kashmir is a bilateral issue and nothing to do with anyone else , is a joke.

For heavens sake you have not been able to settle this issue in 70 years, after 3 wars, what progress has been made? Both countries are not even having talks on the issue today, innocents continuing to die in Kashmir, and the icing on the cake that both countries are now nuclear powers - and the slightest random incident almost gets the two countries on the verge of war and threatening to destroy half the planet — but the rest of the world should have no input or role to resolve the issue and save half the planet because India says it’s a bilateral matter?
 
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That's Trump!! Proud of that dude. Within a week of his statement, he has Kashmiris panicking and running for supplies. Wish his mediation started a couple of years ago. Kashmir issue would have been resolved by now.
 
Majid Khan said:
Well on that basis if you are saying there is such mistrust that Pakistan will not adhere to any bilateral treaty or agreement - then surely mediation is the way to go and would be in India’s interest? Ask the US to mediate and they are willing to as Trump says, or other world powers such as UK, China, Russia , and reach a settlement and then sign a treaty , have neutral observers oversee it , such that Pakistan or India would have nowhere to hide if they go against the treaty.

This attitude from India that Kashmir is a bilateral issue and nothing to do with anyone else , is a joke.

For heavens sake you have not been able to settle this issue in 70 years, after 3 wars, what progress has been made? Both countries are not even having talks on the issue today, innocents continuing to die in Kashmir, and the icing on the cake that both countries are now nuclear powers - and the slightest random incident almost gets the two countries on the verge of war and threatening to destroy half the planet — but the rest of the world should have no input or role to resolve the issue and save half the planet because India says it’s a bilateral matter?
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Internal matters are internal matters, same goes for bilaterals.

Having nuclear weapons doesnt mean we will let those decide our matters who have in past looted and troubled us and still only lookout for thier own intrests first.

nowhere you are to be seen on threads about south china sea and suposed ancient territories of china of old time that is slowly becoming whole of subcontinent.where is outside meditation then?

India need to stop caring about others who runs thier own propogenda and take the high road just like china and solve it immediately.

If there is anything to learn its from the mighty china on how unsolvable questions must be solved
 
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Looks all the chest-thumping and all the bhangra was for nothing. Modi is not Nawaz and Imran has learned it the hard way.
 
Mamoon said:
Looks all the chest-thumping and all the bhangra was for nothing. Modi is not Nawaz and Imran has learned it the hard way.
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learned what lmaoo, india just lost what little allies they had among the kashmiris. They may have the land but they've lost face.
 
Pakistanian said:
learned what lmaoo, india just lost what little allies they had among the kashmiris. They may have the land but they've lost face.
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We have been taken for a ride.

370 and 35 (A) imply that J&K is now an integral part of India, and the Simla Agreement now stands neutralised. We were on cloud nine after meeting Trump, but this has set us back.
 
Mamoon said:
We have been taken for a ride.

370 and 35 (A) imply that J&K is now an integral part of India, and the Simla Agreement now stands neutralised. We were on cloud nine after meeting Trump, but this has set us back.
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set us back? lmaooo this was in the works for years, Indians have been harping on about this since forever and Modi had already planned this after he was reelected. India has lost face, this is similar to Russia annexing crimea.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">More shootings in the US. Maybe India should offer to mediate between Trump and these trigger happy people there.</p>— Harsha Bhogle (@bhogleharsha) <a href="https://twitter.com/bhogleharsha/status/1158325019195269121?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Weak.
 
Pakistanian said:
set us back? lmaooo this was in the works for years, Indians have been harping on about this since forever and Modi had already planned this after he was reelected. India has lost face, this is similar to Russia annexing crimea.
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India has lost face

I so agree after all nations of the Ummah have released strong statements condemning India for revoking 370. They have also imposed sanctions on India, and withdrawn their ambassadors from India. All the Islamic Kings, princes, potentates, Sheikhs, and dictators have strongly condemned India for this non-democratic move.

Am I right, or is my imagination on an overdrive today?

this is similar to Russia annexing crimea

Thanks for reminding. I forgot about it, like most of the rest of the world.
 
xbronze said:
India has lost face

I so agree after all nations of the Ummah have released strong statements condemning India for revoking 370. They have also imposed sanctions on India, and withdrawn their ambassadors from India. All the Islamic Kings, princes, potentates, Sheikhs, and dictators have strongly condemned India for this non-democratic move.

Am I right, or is my imagination on an overdrive today?

this is similar to Russia annexing crimea

Thanks for reminding. I forgot about it, like most of the rest of the world.
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India has lost face with the people of kashmir, they've pushed them farther away.
 
I just hope we don't see escalation of violence in the region. We need peace for all to live the life we deserve.
 
Trump doesnt even know where Pakistan is on a map let alone Kashmir.
If you really think this guy knows anything or was asked anything, you need your head examined.

I mean the man didnt know the difference between Toledo and Dayton ***.
 
Change of events..

Amit Shah has offered to mediate between US and North Korea .....!!!!!!!
 
Pakistan made a mistake pivoting from US to China. No way India could pull this off on the other side of US. Lets see if Iron brother offers any help.
 
USaqaf said:
Trump doesnt even know where Pakistan is on a map let alone Kashmir.
If you really think this guy knows anything or was asked anything, you need your head examined.

I mean the man didnt know the difference between Toledo and Dayton ***.
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He doesnt know where Iran is on the map but still made India stop buying oil from them. Trump is a clown but is the leader of the most powerful nation which is why Indians were upset when he made the Kashmir comments.
 
KingKhanWC said:
He doesnt know where Iran is on the map but still made India stop buying oil from them. Trump is a clown but is the leader of the most powerful nation which is why Indians were upset when he made the Kashmir comments.
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Yes, so upset and scared about Trump intervening in Kashmir on behalf of Pakistan, that soon thereafter Modi and Shah revoked 370, made J&K a union territory and placed it virtually under Delhi control. Something no Indian Prime Minster did for 70 years. And total silence from Trump.

Surprisingly absolute silence from Imran Khan and Qureshi as well (this part I am scratching my head about :) )

Deafening silence from the islamic nations as well. But not surprising given how close they are with India.

My personal opinion is that behind the scenes Trump is very much in cahoots with Modi, totally in lock step regarding how to deal with Pakistan. We all know how much Trump loves muslim nations, especially those that don't have oil.

The biggest surprise of them all? Pakistan's so called 'All weather friend' - China. China just couldn't be bothered. China was least interested about Pakistan in 1971 when Indian Army held Pakistan Army down and cut Pakistan into two pieces. During Kargil - China actually asked 'all weather friend' Pakistan to pull back its intruders from Indian territory. China missing in action now as well.

China only remembers Pakistan when it is time to collect the 25% annual compound interest on loans given for CPEC. Loans given on behalf of Pakistan by Chinese Banks, to Chinese contractors and vendors. Win win for China. Only back breaking loan payment at loan shark rates is in the fate of Pakistan. Even so, complete silence from China when India revokes 370. Sad.

Why blame China, when Imran Khan's reaction to revoking 370 was to go and plant trees :) You guys can criticize Nawaz Sharif all you want, but the man would have at least come on camera and made a show of being mad at India and at least gotten into a fake frenzy about how the whole Muslim ummah is with Pakistan on this, blah blah blah etc. Imran is so docile and almost praying for this to just go away.

He doesnt know where Iran is on the map but still made India stop buying oil from them.

LOL there is no special ingredient in Iranian oil that India must only have Iranian oil, and no other. There are so many others suppliers, including many islamic nations with much closer ties with India than with Pakistan, who are bending over backwards to sell oil, especially in a world that is gushing with oil and with oil prices well below historic highs.

God, I would think it should be fairly obvious to anyone that a sanctioned Iran not being able to sell its oil to India or anyone else, is a problem for Iran, and not India. But obviously this complex mathematics was lost on you :)
 
xbronze said:
Yes, so upset and scared about Trump intervening in Kashmir on behalf of Pakistan, that soon thereafter Modi and Shah revoked 370, made J&K a union territory and placed it virtually under Delhi control. Something no Indian Prime Minster did for 70 years. And total silence from Trump.

Surprisingly absolute silence from Imran Khan and Qureshi as well (this part I am scratching my head about :) )

Deafening silence from the islamic nations as well. But not surprising given how close they are with India.

My personal opinion is that behind the scenes Trump is very much in cahoots with Modi, totally in lock step regarding how to deal with Pakistan. We all know how much Trump loves muslim nations, especially those that don't have oil.

The biggest surprise of them all? Pakistan's so called 'All weather friend' - China. China just couldn't be bothered. China was least interested about Pakistan in 1971 when Indian Army held Pakistan Army down and cut Pakistan into two pieces. During Kargil - China actually asked 'all weather friend' Pakistan to pull back its intruders from Indian territory. China missing in action now as well.

China only remembers Pakistan when it is time to collect the 25% annual compound interest on loans given for CPEC. Loans given on behalf of Pakistan by Chinese Banks, to Chinese contractors and vendors. Win win for China. Only back breaking loan payment at loan shark rates is in the fate of Pakistan. Even so, complete silence from China when India revokes 370. Sad.

Why blame China, when Imran Khan's reaction to revoking 370 was to go and plant trees :) You guys can criticize Nawaz Sharif all you want, but the man would have at least come on camera and made a show of being mad at India and at least gotten into a fake frenzy about how the whole Muslim ummah is with Pakistan on this, blah blah blah etc. Imran is so docile and almost praying for this to just go away.

He doesnt know where Iran is on the map but still made India stop buying oil from them.

LOL there is no special ingredient in Iranian oil that India must only have Iranian oil, and no other. There are so many others suppliers, including many islamic nations with much closer ties with India than with Pakistan, who are bending over backwards to sell oil, especially in a world that is gushing with oil and with oil prices well below historic highs.

God, I would think it should be fairly obvious to anyone that a sanctioned Iran not being able to sell its oil to India or anyone else, is a problem for Iran, and not India. But obviously this complex mathematics was lost on you :)
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Keep up with your own news and your own minsiters comments. They stated India will continue to buy Iranian oil but had no choice to back down.

In return US bought Kashmir into the spotlight and in desperation we see todays events. As I said this is a foolish move by India, you are no Israel and your whole nation will not be safe in the near future.

Here is the comment by the US suggesting India is abusing human rights.

Morgan Ortagus, spokeswoman for the US department of state, said Washington was following events in Indian-administered Kashmir "closely".

"We are concerned about reports of detentions and urge respect for individual rights and discussion with those in affected communities," she said in a statement.
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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019...n-show-restraint-kashmir-190805171136093.html

India thought US would back them but again they have embarrased you.
 
Mamoon said:
We have been taken for a ride.

370 and 35 (A) imply that J&K is now an integral part of India, and the Simla Agreement now stands neutralised. We were on cloud nine after meeting Trump, but this has set us back.
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Well, as per you J&k was an integral part of India anyway. Shouldn’t this be no event for you atleast? Or will you backtrack from your statement as always? MR Mamoon aka Mr. Attention seeker
 
KingKhanWC said:
Keep up with your own news and your own minsiters comments. They stated India will continue to buy Iranian oil but had no choice to back down.

In return US bought Kashmir into the spotlight and in desperation we see todays events. As I said this is a foolish move by India, you are no Israel and your whole nation will not be safe in the near future.

Here is the comment by the US suggesting India is abusing human rights.



https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019...n-show-restraint-kashmir-190805171136093.html

India thought US would back them but again they have embarrased you.
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LOL...don't you think you should be more concerned about Pakistan's precarious economy instead. Sometimes run to Saudi for a bailout, and IMF, and China.

Keep on begging yourself, but are more concerned with who India buys its oil from. Atleast India is not begging for free oil or bailouts. :)
 
India calls actions in Kashmir internal matter: US
WASHINGTON: The United States on Monday urged India to engage in discussion with those affected by its decision to revoke Kashmir’s special status but also noted that New Delhi describes this action as an “internal matter”.

“We are closely following the events in the state of Jammu and Kashmir. We take note of India’s announcement revising the constitutional status of Jammu and Kashmir and India’s plan to split the state into two union territories,” said State Department spokesperson Morgan Ortagus.

The statement issued in Washington, however, also referred to India’s position on this issue, without mentioning the Pakistani position. “We note that the Indian government has described these actions as strictly an internal matter,” Ms Ortagus said.

The US official, however, did express concern on the situation in the occupied Valley. “We are concerned about reports of detentions and urge respect for individual rights and discussion with those in affected communities,” she said.

Ms Ortagus also underlined the need for maintaining peace and stability along the Line of Control.

“We call on all parties to maintain peace and stability along the Line of Control,” she said.

The statement also failed to mention US President Donald Trump’s recent offers to mediate between India and Pakistan to help resolve the Kashmir dispute.

In a July 22 statement, President Trump said that Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi had asked him to mediate on the Kashmir dispute. Although India denied ever asking him to do so, Mr Trump reiterated his stance earlier this week, saying that he’s willing to help if both countries ask him to.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1498261/india-calls-actions-in-kashmir-internal-matter-us
 
Azzurri said:
Well, as per you J&k was an integral part of India anyway. Shouldn’t this be no event for you atleast? Or will you backtrack from your statement as always? MR Mamoon aka Mr. Attention seeker
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Pakistan's misery is now official.
 
Now that the dust has settled on all the celebrations on Trump´s statement on mediating, or in this case, Modi asking him to mediate on this, I think the moving of more troops to Kashmir on India´s part, and now the revoking of the article 370 from the constitution which reserved a special staus for Kashmir, is a slap in the face for Trump. A hard slap by Modi I suppose. Journalist Hamid Mir actually said these exact words yesterday on Geo News, and I fully agree with him on this. Cannot trust Trump on anything, anything at all, and I´d my reservations on his statement back then itself. We´ve been played by him on this.

ChennaiFan said:
I just hope we don't see escalation of violence in the region. We need peace for all to live the life we deserve.
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Amen to that prayer, brother.
 
Rishikesh said:
India calls actions in Kashmir internal matter: US
WASHINGTON: The United States on Monday urged India to engage in discussion with those affected by its decision to revoke Kashmir’s special status but also noted that New Delhi describes this action as an “internal matter”.

“We are closely following the events in the state of Jammu and Kashmir. We take note of India’s announcement revising the constitutional status of Jammu and Kashmir and India’s plan to split the state into two union territories,” said State Department spokesperson Morgan Ortagus.

The statement issued in Washington, however, also referred to India’s position on this issue, without mentioning the Pakistani position. “We note that the Indian government has described these actions as strictly an internal matter,” Ms Ortagus said.

The US official, however, did express concern on the situation in the occupied Valley. “We are concerned about reports of detentions and urge respect for individual rights and discussion with those in affected communities,” she said.

Ms Ortagus also underlined the need for maintaining peace and stability along the Line of Control.

“We call on all parties to maintain peace and stability along the Line of Control,” she said.

The statement also failed to mention US President Donald Trump’s recent offers to mediate between India and Pakistan to help resolve the Kashmir dispute.

In a July 22 statement, President Trump said that Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi had asked him to mediate on the Kashmir dispute. Although India denied ever asking him to do so, Mr Trump reiterated his stance earlier this week, saying that he’s willing to help if both countries ask him to.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1498261/india-calls-actions-in-kashmir-internal-matter-us
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This should be merged with the other posts where countries are gonna say the same.

UAE and USA for now
 
In the end it seems the Trump-Imran meeting and Trump's words did the Indian government a favour - it spooked India into biting the bullet and taking action over A370 now as opposed to later (or never).

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Modi government had been determined to change the status quo in the State, but U.S. President’s statement added a certain urgency to the matter - I write <a href="https://t.co/GfbL6UYYvt">https://t.co/GfbL6UYYvt</a></p>— Nistula Hebbar (@nistula) <a href="https://twitter.com/nistula/status/1158549614183583745?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 6, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
The question that must be asked is: where are those who, not too long ago, were willing to mediate between Pakistan and India on the Kashmir question? Indeed, the American reaction to India’s moves in Kashmir has been massively disappointing.

The US State Department spokesperson issued a wishy-washy statement on the matter that glaringly left out Pakistan’s position on the issue.

The statement, instead, appeared to indirectly support New Delhi’s outrageous claims, observing that “... the Indian government has described these actions as strictly an internal matter. ...”

Whatever terms the Indian government may use to justify its malevolent actions in Kashmir, the US should have the moral courage to call a spade a spade and take a balanced view of the matter.

US President Donald Trump’s offer to mediate between Islamabad and Delhi seems to have disappeared into thin air, as the US has offered a clichéd statement to address a critical issue.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1498546/playing-with-fire
 
Abdullah719 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">3. Surprised by reaction of India to Pres Trump's offer of mediation to bring Pak & India to dialogue table for resolving Kashmir conflict which has held subcontinent hostage for 70 yrs. Generations of Kashmiris have suffered & are suffering daily and need conflict resolution.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1153644117378965506?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 23, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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What a foolish tweet this was😀
 
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