As you mentioned in ICJ case that it's more about perception thn getting your spy back...
Truth hardly matters these days in politics and news, it’s all about controlling the narrative.
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As you mentioned in ICJ case that it's more about perception thn getting your spy back...
Truth hardly matters these days in politics and news, it’s all about controlling the narrative.
Listen to what trump said :
Modi : i want you to mediate.
Trump : where?
Modi : Kashmir.
Trump mentioned the entire conversation. It wasnt just a passing remark. Highly unlikely Trump would make an entire conversation up.
so basically the indian ministry is calling Trump a liar. I wonder how he will respond to this. Modi's upcoming visit to the US got a whole lot more interesting.
silly indian, this is NOT the end, merely the beginning.
As you mentioned in ICJ case that it's more about perception thn getting your spy back...
Perception is that like many other things, trump lied again.
I actually believe Modi asked Trump to mediate, because Modi isn’t the ”strongman” that his party often portrays him as.
Very tactless of Trump to reveal something that would create controversy in India. Don’t think India will see Trump as a responsible and reliable ally from now on.
Why will Modi ask Trump to mediate? What has India got to lose that they will ask for mediation.
What explaining? The govt has come and denied that Modi made any such request.
Trump did. Because Indian govt just denied the entire thing. So thats the end of it.
US cant do jack on Kashmir. Just look up the latest tweets of the state dept.
You can have your wet dreams on US helping you in Kashmir, they are just that, wet dreams.
Trump did. Because Indian govt just denied the entire thing. So thats the end of it.
Are the Ind govt calling Trump a liar?
Modi asked me "Would you like to mediate"?
I asked: where?
Modi Replied: Kashmir
Trump was very specific about the details...
Indian media in a tail spin!)
"I just apologised to Indian Ambassador Harsh Shringla for Trump's amateurish and embarrassing mistake," Congressman Brad Sherman tweeted hours after Donald Trump's stunning claim that Prime Minister Narendra Modi sought his mediation or arbitration efforts to resolve the Kashmir issue.
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/us-...barrassing-claim-2073646?pfrom=home-topscroll
Maybe because India has finally realized that it doesn’t have the power to force Pakistan into ending the Kashmir dispute? Maybe Modi was trying to get Trump to pressurize Pakistan on Kashmir?
Trump has no reason to lie on this issue, Modi as we know has worked up Hindutuva idiots into a frenzy, and doesn't want to lose face.
Are the Ind govt calling Trump a liar?
lol essentially IK is once again using tactics and strategy here. And once again Modi's slow moving govt have been left on the receiving end. For pakistan to get a sitting american president to even utter the word yes adn mediation in the same sentence is a great move. IK used Trumps ego to his advantage. Now India should rightly ask what their PM is promising behind closed doors while saying something else in public. At the same time if he denies this Modi will look silly in front of Trump (if its true).
Overall a good strategic move by IK..
we dont need their help in kashmir..its a nice quagmire for your forces and we intend to keep you there till judgment day..we'll send tea bags and mugs for your armed forces..
This is going to have implications one way or another, nothing wrong in asking for help but the Indian media will already start its propaganda.
They did already. They have denied making any such request.
Trump is a liar who'll promise anything to get through a meeting.
However it has caused some awkwardness amongst the right wing Indian press.
Listen to what trump said :
Modi : i want you to mediate.
Trump : where?
Modi : Kashmir.
Trump mentioned the entire conversation. It wasnt just a passing remark. Highly unlikely Trump would make an entire conversation up.
He does it regularly. He's a brazen liar.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/the-unsettling-list-trumps-made-conversations-keeps-growing
Don't expect anything to come from this, just enjoy the media meltdown across the border.
Accuracy in Media national editor Carrie Sheffield feels that Maddow has long “ignored basic journalistic, fact-checking practices and the presumption of innocence in our legal system by relentlessly pushing unproven conspiracy theories about supposed Russian collusion” and her “lapse in journalistic balance” is part of why Americans have declining trust in the national media and why some reporters appear to be distancing themselves from her show.
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/msnbc-maddow-ratings-credibility-mueller
Rachel Maddow is a strange person to use, she herself has constantly lied for 2 1/2 years about Trump colluding with Russia. She has a sever case of Trump derangement syndrome.
We will keep raising your cost on the LoC. We can handle the cost while Pakistan is looking for bailouts.
The status quo fits India fine.
What is the medical terminology where Trump continue to ask for Obama's birth certificate?
We will keep raising your cost on the LoC. We can handle the cost while Pakistan is looking for bailouts.
The status quo fits India fine.
He may be many things but his few words have caused havoc amongst the Hindutuva and that's all that matters at this point. We have to enjoy the squirming of the Inds because they were passionate Trump fans, which makes the whole thing a lot sweater.
Trolling.
Oh yea!
What is the medial terminology where Trump continue to say, KKK Klan, who chanted, "Jews will not replaced us" with tiki torches as great people ?
You have lost me there, I dont have a clue what you are talking about.
Check the post above Brad Sherman is from opposition party Democrat not from Trump's party Republican so how can he apologize lol? He is just point scoring...
Lets take just the case of Pakistan. Pakistan alone has spanked India few times during Modi rule. During Congress time Pakistan was mostly at receiving end. Incidents where Pakistan has upper during Modi Raj.How to defend their master whilst also not making foreign deity Trump look bad, tricky tricky situation for Hindutva warriors. I don't care much about politics these days but will be fun to observe the mental gymnastics at display by the fascists in power in New Delhi. Since they at so good at lying and brainwashing Indian sheeple, they should overcome this at home but Trump may not take it too kindly considering Modi is scheduled to visit USA this September. Trump owns his Indian bunny as was apparent with the Iran oil sanctions, Modi might be due for another spanking at his hands very soon. Indians deserve all the international humiliation, BJPians might have perfected the art of bullying opponents in the domestic arena but outside India different matter.
"I just apologised to Indian Ambassador Harsh Shringla for Trump's amateurish and embarrassing mistake," Congressman Brad Sherman tweeted hours after Donald Trump's stunning claim that Prime Minister Narendra Modi sought his mediation or arbitration efforts to resolve the Kashmir issue.
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/us-...barrassing-claim-2073646?pfrom=home-topscroll
How to defend their master whilst also not making foreign deity Trump look bad, tricky tricky situation for Hindutva warriors. I don't care much about politics these days but will be fun to observe the mental gymnastics at display by the fascists in power in New Delhi. Since they at so good at lying and brainwashing Indian sheeple, they should overcome this at home but Trump may not take it too kindly considering Modi is scheduled to visit USA this September. Trump owns his Indian bunny as was apparent with the Iran oil sanctions, Modi might be due for another spanking at his hands very soon. Indians deserve all the international humiliation, BJPians might have perfected the art of bullying opponents in the domestic arena but outside India different matter.
Lets take just the case of Pakistan. Pakistan alone has spanked India few times during Modi rule. During Congress time Pakistan was mostly at receiving end. Incidents where Pakistan has upper during Modi Raj.
1. Abhinandan episode.
2. Afghanistan peace Talks. India is not even invited.
3. Khalistan Issue is hot again. Pakistan must have some role to play in it.
4. Trump singing Pakistani Tune. This was a hard slap to RSS chadis.
These Sanghis are good at only bullying the people like Rahul Gandhi. Modi is a weak man and his personal history of dumping his wife and mother and then his guru Adavni shows his character.
I am enjoying this international humiliation of Modi.
You don’t follow politics but you make sure to follow BJP and not Dravidian parties? Something that near to home maybe you should be giving it a look at how the policies among Dravidians parties and BJP has been similar, DMK did it among diff castes and against Hindus similar to what BJP does with religion .. if it wasn't for AIADMK Jaya or Mgr life would be hell for outsiders or even Hindus in TN.
Dmk parties and their IT cell similar to BJp are creating a divide as well.. Stalin leading the way
Just doesn't make sense Modi will ask him.
Even Indian liberals are suspicious about it.
Maybe Trump misunderstood or is just flat out lying.
Trump probably never had this exact conversation but the point is that Kashmir is under discussion on international media now which is last thing which India wants. Nothing will come off it and it will die down soon but it is a diplomatic disaster for both India and US.
India is using Twitter statements by random American reps to douse this which isn’t great.
Is pakistan capable of taking Kashmir from India? No.
So India has nothing to lose.
Everybody on here is saying trump trump trump, but this is a master stroke by imran khan again. If imran had made a statement it wouldve been business as usual, but the fact that he played trumps ego, and got him to mention it, and then even say modi told him) cherry on top.
Now indians themselves have made sure that the kashmir topic is the only thing being discussed.
Btw trump is a pathological liar, and i wouldn't be surprised one bit that he made it up.
We will keep raising your cost on the LoC. We can handle the cost while Pakistan is looking for bailouts.
The status quo fits India fine.
Rachel Maddow is a strange person to use, she herself has constantly lied for 2 1/2 years about Trump colluding with Russia. She has a sever case of Trump derangement syndrome.
He may be many things but his few words have caused havoc amongst the Hindutuva and that's all that matters at this point. We have to enjoy the squirming of the Inds because they were passionate Trump fans, which makes the whole thing a lot sweater.
What Hindutva? Why do you have so much issues with another religion?
Indian leaders from Shastri to Modi have all rejected any compromise on Kashmir.
[MENTION=133397]WebGuru[/MENTION]
bro can you find the 4/5 tweets from US dept about Imran khan and trump meeting and regarding kashmir.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">While Kashmir is a bilateral issue for both parties to discuss, the Trump administration welcomes <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/India?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#India</a> sitting down and the United States stands ready to assist. - AGW</p>— State_SCA (@State_SCA) <a href="https://twitter.com/State_SCA/status/1153444051368239104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This afternoon, President <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@realDonaldTrump</a> welcomes Prime Minister <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImranKhanPTI</a> of Pakistan to the White House! ���� ���� <a href="https://t.co/Cscl7lbG4a">pic.twitter.com/Cscl7lbG4a</a></p>— The White House (@WhiteHouse) <a href="https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1153328871342780417?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This morning, <a href="https://twitter.com/SecPompeo?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SecPompeo</a> met with Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImranKhanPTI</a>, in Washington D.C. <a href="https://twitter.com/usembislamabad?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@usembislamabad</a> <a href="https://t.co/ZRPFpQBoha">pic.twitter.com/ZRPFpQBoha</a></p>— Department of State (@StateDept) <a href="https://twitter.com/StateDept/status/1153674689580941313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 23, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Great to see Americans of Pakistani descent turn out today to show support for closer <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/USPakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#USPakistan</a> ties at a filled <a href="https://twitter.com/CapitalOneArena?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CapitalOneArena</a> . Excited about how this vibrant community will help the US & <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a> deepen ties & address the challenges we face. - AGW</p>— State_SCA (@State_SCA) <a href="https://twitter.com/State_SCA/status/1153092334587977728?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
thanks buddy.
I have no problems with Hindus, the Hindutuva are Modi supporting fascists.
I wonder if the right wing Indians love affair with Trump will be finally over.
In any case Imran played this diplomatic master stroke very well. He understood how to get Trump talking the way he wanted.
Indian Media going bonkers because they don’t want talks.
I wonder if the right wing Indians love affair with Trump will be finally over.
In any case Imran played this diplomatic master stroke very well. He understood how to get Trump talking the way he wanted.
Indian Media going bonkers because they don’t want talks.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is what every Kashmiri wants. This is it! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kashmir</a> <a href="https://t.co/pK62egUZVi">pic.twitter.com/pK62egUZVi</a></p>— Sadiq ‘Sameer’ Bhat (@sadiquiz) <a href="https://twitter.com/sadiquiz/status/1153727518400102400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 23, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
[MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION]
Completely agree with this. These fascists are only good at inciting riots, telling and selling wholesale lies to the electorate and buying out opposition lawmakers.Lets take just the case of Pakistan. Pakistan alone has spanked India few times during Modi rule. During Congress time Pakistan was mostly at receiving end. Incidents where Pakistan has upper during Modi Raj.
1. Abhinandan episode.
2. Afghanistan peace Talks. India is not even invited.
3. Khalistan Issue is hot again. Pakistan must have some role to play in it.
4. Trump singing Pakistani Tune. This was a hard slap to RSS chadis.
These Sanghis are good at only bullying the people like Rahul Gandhi. Modi is a weak man and his personal history of dumping his wife and mother and then his guru Adavni shows his character.
I am enjoying this international humiliation of Modi.
There is no chance for third party mediation on this issue anyway as per the Simla Agreement and then the Lahore accord of 1999, Kashmir is a bilateral issue which can only be resolved by India and Pakistan alone.
If Trump wants to get involved, he will, regardless of any agreement.
Let's face it, it's not been solved in 70 years, both of those "agreements" are nothing but a scrap of paper, one of which Pakistan was forced to sign over at gun point.
According to you Pakistan has been occupying Indian land(Azad Kashmir) for decades now. So Pakistan already has taken a big chunk of your land , yet you cant take it back. What are you guys waiting for , the RSS to become martial arts experts?
This part confuses me as well. If Pakistan is so incapable and weak, then why don’t India take back the part that they claim belongs to them?
There is no chance for third party mediation on this issue anyway as per the Simla Agreement and then the Lahore accord of 1999, Kashmir is a bilateral issue which can only be resolved by India and Pakistan alone.
Nothing is set in stone. The only way to break this deadlock is a third party mediating.