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The skillset you gain when you're educated to that standard goes far beyond your dissertation.

Was she convicted for the 'potential to make biological weapons'


It seems whenever there are women muslim in the front line of dawah and speaking out not only against the misogny in many muslim socieites but also in promoting islamic ideals amongst the youth, they are targeted , tortured and jailed


Nearly finished reading the book 'the return of the pharoah' an autobiography of the late Zainab Al Ghazali, what she suffered in prison, noone should ever have to go through that, male or female
 
It seems whenever there are women muslim in the front line of dawah and speaking out not only against the misogny in many muslim socieites but also in promoting islamic ideals amongst the youth, they are targeted , tortured and jailed

Aafia Siddique is in jail on terrorism charges in USA, but in Pakistan there is a bigger injustice happening; the imprisonment of Asia Bibi.

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Was she convicted for the 'potential to make biological weapons'


It seems whenever there are women muslim in the front line of dawah and speaking out not only against the misogny in many muslim socieites but also in promoting islamic ideals amongst the youth, they are targeted , tortured and jailed


Nearly finished reading the book 'the return of the pharoah' an autobiography of the late Zainab Al Ghazali, what she suffered in prison, noone should ever have to go through that, male or female

Do tell us more...
 
What a shameless nation we are . Where is the daughter of our nation ?


[video]http://www.tubeislam.com/video/11452/afia-siddiqui-princess-in-prison[/video]
 
Sooner or later these tears of joy can also lead you to a PRISON

Let me get serious for a minute. Her case is a closed transaction. She was convicted of serious charges and should serve her term. She was convicted based on solid circumstantial and direct evidence.
 
Let me get serious for a minute. Her case is a closed transaction. She was convicted of serious charges and should serve her term. She was convicted based on solid circumstantial and direct evidence.

Yes very serious charges . She manhandled two well equipped american soliders ( Wasn't proved) ? That's what you call a serious charge
 
I don't get why people support her, she was convicted, there was evidence. Isn't it a sin to help terrorists?
 
[MENTION=22846]Nostalgic[/MENTION] Buzurgo What's your point of view on this matter ?
 
[MENTION=22846]Nostalgic[/MENTION] Buzurgo What's your point of view on this matter ?

I'm not well-versed with the details of her arrest and conviction, so I can't in all honesty comment on that, or on the legal ramifications concerning the alleged "selling" of a national.

What outrages me about the whole situation is that a lady who divorced her husband to marry a senior Al-Qaeda operative's nephew, who himself is most likely a similarly shady character, is canonized as the Nation's Daughter. Effectively making her new husband the Nation's son-in-law. This title is one many more illustrious ladies have failed to achieve.

I get the feeling people aren't up in arms so much about the legal ramifications of it or whether she was guilty or not, so much as they are up in arms because of the soft corner they have for her cause. They're upset the Americans whisked her away, and whether she was guilty or not is a mere side note. If they had arrested one of us so-called liberal fascist types on allegedly trumped up charges, there wouldn't be a whimper of protest.

We're a country where a girl shot by the Taliban is reviled, where a man speaking out in favor of a woman wrongly accused of blasphemy is gunned down and his killer garlanded and hailed as a hero, but where this Afia lady is the Nation's Daughter. This has more to do with the inexorable march towards full-on, hardcore mullahficatiton of society, than anything else.

About Malala and Asia: the former was reviled even before she achieved her current celebrity status. People refused to even accept that their beloved Taliban could shoot a girl. A dozen conspiracy theories were posited, and people were sharing NFP's satirical article as fact. On the latter, we heard red herrings about what an evil man Taseer really was, supposedly to prove that he was in the wrong, and got what was coming. But all hell must break lose about Afia Siddiqui. A woman who, in spite of an MIT PhD, and all the good she could've done with her qualifications, chose to associate with terrorists.
 
Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi has said that the government is trying its best to bring Dr Aafia Siddiqui back to Pakistan.

“Despite the fact that governments must take stock of legalities, we are trying our best to bring her [Dr Siddiqui] back,” he was quoted by Express News as saying on Wednesday.

Speaking to the media in Multan, the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) leader said that the newly-elected government fully understands the despair of Dr Siddiqui’s family in this protracted ordeal.

He, however, said that legal requirements for her release must also be taken into account.

‘Dr Aafia subjected to physical, sexual abuse in US detention center’

Dr Aafia Siddiqui, convicted in 2010 on charges of attempted murder and mounting an assault on US military personnel, is serving an 86-year sentence at the Federal Medical Centre, Carswell, Fort Worth in Texas.

In June this year, a confidential report prepared by Pakistan’s consul general in Houston of her visit to Aafia had claimed that she was subjected to physical and sexual abuse during her ongoing detention.

Consul General Aisha Farooqui had visited Aafia at the Federal Medical Center in Carswell, Texas. The report recommended diplomatic authorities to take up the case at the highest levels to find a way for her repatriation so that she can serve her remaining sentence in Pakistan, where her modesty and privacy would not be interfered with.

SC rejects petition requesting Aafia Siddiqui’s repatriation

However, the Supreme Court later rejected the petition that called for repatriating Dr Siddiqui and directed the petitioner to approach a US court to address her grievances.

“We took up the matter just to know if she is alive or not. It is learnt that she is alive … We cannot do anything in this matter,” Chief Justice Mian Saqib Nisar remarked during the hearing. He said there was no way they could order authorities of an independent state on the matter.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1786417/1-govt-trying-bring-aafia-siddiqui-back-home-says-qureshi/
 
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ISLAMABAD: Dr Aafia Siddiqui, a Pakistani scientist jailed in US, has requested Prime Minister Imran Khan for her release, diplomatic sources informed Geo News Tuesday.

The Pakistani consul general in Houston paid Aafia a visit on October 9, the sources said, during which she made a request for conveying her message to PM Imran.

“I want to get out of prison, my imprisonment in the US is illegal as I was kidnapped and taken to the US, Imran Khan had supported me in the past also. I have always considered him as one of my biggest heroes and wish to see him as the Khalifa of all Muslims. He should be careful of the munafiq around him," she said.

"All those who criticise Imran Khan for his past mistakes should stop doing that because under Islamic law he is innocent. Even the Sahaba with the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) had made mistakes in their lives and when they embraced Islam their past mistakes were forgiven and they became innocent. It is the same with Imran Khan. He had once stated himself that he came to learn about Islam much later in his life. If anyone has doubts on this, I can debate about this.”


FO reaches out to US State Dept over alleged mistreatment of Dr Aafia Siddiqui

Diplomatic sources further said that in response to a request by Aafia's sister Dr Fouzia Siddiqui, the foreign minister will meet her next week.

On June 7, 2018, the Supreme Court of Pakistan summoned a report from the Pakistan Embassy in Washington on Dr Aafia, after a three-member bench, led by Chief Justice Mian Saqib Nisar, heard a petition filed by Dr Fouzia.

Dr Aafia was indicted by a New York federal district court in September 2008 on charges of attempted murder and assault, stemming from an incident during an interview with the US authorities in Ghazni, Afghanistan — charges that she denied.

After 18 months in detention, she was tried and convicted in early 2010 and sentenced to 86 years in prison.

She has since been imprisoned in the US.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/217520-afia-siddiqui-seeks-pm-imrans-help-for-release
 
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Pakistan conveys concerns regarding Aafia Siddiqui to US

ISLAMABAD: The Pakistani government has conveyed to Washington its concerns over the imprisonment and mistreatment of Dr Aafia Siddiqui, a Pakistani neuroscientist and mother of three jailed in the US for almost a decade.

Diplomatic sources told Geo News on Wednesday that the matter was taken up by Pakistani officials during an official visit by US envoy Alice Wells earlier this week.

Wells, the US Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asia, was in Islamabad on Tuesday to follow up on Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi's meetings with US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo meetings in Washington last month.

A government statement following Wells' visit said US-Pakistan bilateral agenda including the upcoming Geneva Conference and the Afghan peace process were discussed. There was no official statement by the Pakistani government on discussions regarding Dr Siddiqui.

But diplomatic sources told Geo News that Pakistani officials informed the US officials of its concerns and conveyed position that fundamental human rights be taken into consideration in the case of Dr Siddiqui.


Aafia Siddiqui seeks PM Imran’s help for release

Dr Siddiqui has been in prison since 2010 on charges of attempted murder and assault on US military personnel during an interview with US authorities in Ghazni, charges which Siddiqui denies. She was sentenced to 86 years in prison at the Federal Medical Centre, Carswell, Fort Worth in Texas.

The development comes after the neuroscientist reportedly penned a letter to Prime Minister Imran Khan, requesting him to make efforts for her release.

Sources said the Pakistani consul general in Houston paid Dr Siddiqui a visit on October 9 during which she made the request to convey her message to the prime minister.

"I want to get out of prison, my imprisonment in the US is illegal as I was kidnapped and taken to the US, Imran Khan had supported me in the past also. I have always considered him as one of my biggest heroes and wish to see him as the Khalifa of all Muslims. He should be careful of the munafiq around him," she said.

Diplomatic sources said Dr Siddiqui's request has been conveyed to the prime minister. Foreign minister Qureshi is expected to meet Aafia Siddiqui's sister, Dr Fouzia Siddiqui, at her request next week.
https://www.geo.tv/latest/217633-pakistan-conveys-concerns-regarding-aafia-siddiqui-to-us
 
Only way to get her back would be a prisoner swap with someone like Dr Afridi and can’t surely even ‘Khalifa’ Khan won’t agree to that.

Would the Pakistani state even want her back? It could open up a whole can of worms re the rendition activities of various agencies post 9/11.
 
Only way to get her back would be a prisoner swap with someone like Dr Afridi and can’t surely even ‘Khalifa’ Khan won’t agree to that.

Would the Pakistani state even want her back? It could open up a whole can of worms re the rendition activities of various agencies post 9/11.

Why is Afia Siddiqi important to Pakistan? What would they gain by the prisoner swap.

A like for likewould be if there was a Pakistani spy in US jail that they swap.... that would make sense.
 
Why is Afia Siddiqi important to Pakistan? What would they gain by the prisoner swap.

A like for likewould be if there was a Pakistani spy in US jail that they swap.... that would make sense.

Justice.

The woman is accused of taking weapon(s) of trained US soldiers and attempting to kill them. She was then taken to the US, imprisoned, sexually assaulted, tortured and treated like an animal. If this was a UK citizen the government would try to get her back, so why not Pakistan?
 
Justice.

The woman is accused of taking weapon(s) of trained US soldiers and attempting to kill them. She was then taken to the US, imprisoned, sexually assaulted, tortured and treated like an animal. If this was a UK citizen the government would try to get her back, so why not Pakistan?

The UK would not be doing an equivalent of a spy swap.

By all means push for her release, but she's isn't important enough for the state to be doing a high level spy swap.
 
Pakistan doesn’t need her. We have enough extremists in the country already.
 
The UK would not be doing an equivalent of a spy swap.

By all means push for her release, but she's isn't important enough for the state to be doing a high level spy swap.

A swap with a traitor who may have information which could harm Pakistan is out of the question but there are many other means which Pakistan should pursue. It's fairly obvious the crimes she has been accused of are made up.
 
Big challenge for Imran Khan..throughout the election campaign he promised to bring her back if he becomes PM. Now that he is sitting on the throne i expect him to do what he does best. U-turn
 
Why is Afia Siddiqi important to Pakistan? What would they gain by the prisoner swap.

A like for likewould be if there was a Pakistani spy in US jail that they swap.... that would make sense.

She is a pakistani citizen who was accused of a crime that was ridiculous. And even then has served more time than most in heinous conditions. Also they killed her children and sexually assualted her. She was allegedly raped multiple times in afghanistan too. But thats ok coz I guess you dont have kids and arent married either so perhaps you dont know how important these rishtay can get..

IK made a promise and he should keep it..I a big supporter of his but he shouldnt let any pakistani citizen down who is held abroad.
 
Guys, she's a terrorist. She belongs in a prison cell and that's where she is. We live in a country where a terrorist is referred to as the daughter of the nation and a young girl fighting for her right to education and promoting women's education in the country is referred to as a yahoodi agent.

Frankly, this is absurd.

There is a lot of evidence of her being involved with Al-Qaeda and of her close ties with the likes of Khalid Shiekh Muhammad, Saifullah Paracha and Majid Khan. It is however true that they've never charged her for terrorism but that may be because it was just easy to hold on to her on other charges but had she been tried on terrorism she'd definitely be found guilty.

Khalid Sheikh Muhammad himself named her as a courier and financier for Al-Qaeda. ISIS have tried to trade her for other prisoners on multiple occasions. Her second marriage was to an Al Qaeda member who also happens to be the nephew of KSM.
 
She is a pakistani citizen who was accused of a crime that was ridiculous. And even then has served more time than most in heinous conditions. Also they killed her children and sexually assualted her. She was allegedly raped multiple times in afghanistan too. But thats ok coz I guess you dont have kids and arent married either so perhaps you dont know how important these rishtay can get..

IK made a promise and he should keep it..I a big supporter of his but he shouldnt let any pakistani citizen down who is held abroad.

Calm down tiger, stop it with this loose scattergun approach. You are not the only one married with kids, which in itself is irrelevant here.

I already said, by all means push for her release. But is she important enough to be doing an equivalent of a spy swap?
 
Guys, she's a terrorist. She belongs in a prison cell and that's where she is. We live in a country where a terrorist is referred to as the daughter of the nation and a young girl fighting for her right to education and promoting women's education in the country is referred to as a yahoodi agent.

Frankly, this is absurd.

There is a lot of evidence of her being involved with Al-Qaeda and of her close ties with the likes of Khalid Shiekh Muhammad, Saifullah Paracha and Majid Khan. It is however true that they've never charged her for terrorism but that may be because it was just easy to hold on to her on other charges but had she been tried on terrorism she'd definitely be found guilty.

Khalid Sheikh Muhammad himself named her as a courier and financier for Al-Qaeda. ISIS have tried to trade her for other prisoners on multiple occasions. Her second marriage was to an Al Qaeda member who also happens to be the nephew of KSM.

I have never understood the fascination with her. considering, and let's be generous and say, she was around around terrorists all the time...

Her alleged treatment by US is appalling though.
 
I have never understood the fascination with her. considering, and let's be generous and say, she was around around terrorists all the time...

Her alleged treatment by US is appalling though.

alleged being the key word there.
 
alleged being the key word there.

Yes alleged, but going by your diatribe above, you've no such apprehension against the American story of her turning into Jason Bourne, disarming soldiers and shooting willy nilly, or the fact that any evidence of her alleged terrorist ties were achieved via torture.
 
We wish to see Dr Aafia Siddiqui's difficulties end, Qureshi says

Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi said on Thursday that the government wishes to see a decline in the "difficulties" faced by Dr Aafia Siddiqui, who is currently imprisoned in the United States.

Speaking to reporters in Multan, he said the Foreign Office had taken up complaints raised by Dr Aafia with US authorities during the last few days.

Dr Aafia, who was convicted in 2010 on charges of attempted murder and assault of US personnel, is serving an 86-year sentence at the Federal Medical Centre, Carswell in Fort Worth, Texas. It is a US federal prison for female inmates of all security levels with special medical and mental health needs.

"We will definitely try," was Qureshi's response when asked by a reporter how successful the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) government would be in bringing the imprisoned neuroscientist to Pakistan.

The minister said Aafia's sister, Dr Fauzia Siddiqui, had wanted to meet him and she was given a date for the purpose. However, the meeting could not take place due to her personal engagements.

"I will [now] meet her next week and hear her out. I will help her in whatever way I can within the limits of the law," Qureshi said.

The Foreign Office had revealed on Wednesday that Pakistani officials had raised the issue of "respecting the human and legal rights" of Dr Aafia with the US.

The matter was brought up during a meeting between Alice Wells, the principal deputy assistant secretary of state for the US Bureau of South and Central Asian Affairs, and government officials at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs earlier this week.

"[The] US side has promised to look into our request," the FO spokesman said.

A court in New York had sentenced Dr Aafia, an MIT graduate, to 86 years in prison on September 23, 2010.

Her sympathisers claim that she was arrested in Pakistan and handed over to intelligence agencies who then transferred her into US custody. Both US and Pakistani officials, however, say that she was arrested in Afghanistan.

Dr Aafia allegedly went missing for five years before she was discovered in Afghanistan. It is said that she snatched a gun during interrogation in Ghazni and tried to shoot a US soldier. She has also been accused of working for Al Qaeda.
Alice Wells' visit

Speaking about the visit of Alice Wells to Pakistan, Qureshi said the US diplomat had had "good" meetings with various stakeholders in Islamabad.

He said the bilateral discussions held between the two sides show that the Pakistan-US relationship has moved beyond just Afghanistan and 'do more'.

He attributed the "positive" environment for discussions to his meetings with US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. The subject of bilateral cooperation in energy and other areas was also discussed during the meetings, the minister added.
'Political consensus needed for separate province'

https://www.dawn.com/news/1444374/we-wish-to-see-dr-aafia-siddiquis-difficulties-end-qureshi-says
 
Yes alleged, but going by your diatribe above, you've no such apprehension against the American story of her turning into Jason Bourne, disarming soldiers and shooting willy nilly, or the fact that any evidence of her alleged terrorist ties were achieved via torture.

Why would KSM name her specifically? Why would she marry into KSM's family? What was she doing in Afghanistan? Why is she linked to so many Al Qaeda people? Why has ISIS offered to trade her in for other prisoners? Why has her ex-husband repeatedly stated that she was involved in suspicious activities and was an extremist? Why did she disappear between 2003 to 2008?

In the end the question is, why her of all people? What would anyone gain by holding her in a cell if she wasn't a threat?

I don't care what story they used to put her behind bars and whether or not that story is true or not but in the end people like her should be in prison and the world is a much better place when extremists and terrorists are kept locked up.
 
She is a pakistani citizen who was accused of a crime that was ridiculous. And even then has served more time than most in heinous conditions. Also they killed her children and sexually assualted her. She was allegedly raped multiple times in afghanistan too. But thats ok coz I guess you dont have kids and arent married either so perhaps you dont know how important these rishtay can get..

IK made a promise and he should keep it..I a big supporter of his but he shouldnt let any pakistani citizen down who is held abroad.

what was she doing in afghanistan though? And her husband was a known and admitted terorrist
 
I agree with [MENTION=44089]Eagle_Eye[/MENTION] as to being baffled on why the fascination with her persists? All evidence points her to being in bed with terrorists.
 
I agree with [MENTION=44089]Eagle_Eye[/MENTION] as to being baffled on why the fascination with her persists? All evidence points her to being in bed with terrorists.

this was unintended lol but this is literally true
 
I agree with [MENTION=44089]Eagle_Eye[/MENTION] as to being baffled on why the fascination with her persists? All evidence points her to being in bed with terrorists.

Please detail this evidence as so far you've only asked what was she doing in Afghanistan, which as far as I know is not a crime.

While you're at it please tell me you believe she managed to take a firearm from American soldiers but wasnt good enough to shoot straight?
 
MULTAN: Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi said on Saturday that the government will make all efforts on diplomatic level bring Dr Aafia Siddiqui, a Pakistani neuroscientist and mother of three jailed in the US for almost a decade, back to Pakistan.

The foreign minister said so while speaking to newsmen in Multan. "We will do whatever we could on diplomatic level to bring back Aafia Siddiqui," he said.

Qureshi said Aafia's family would be facilitated if she serves rest of her term in Pakistan. He also denied any offer made by the US in the past to free the incarcerated Pakistani neuroscientist in exchange for the release of Raymond Davis, a CIA operative who gunned down two men in Lahore in 2011.

The minister earlier this week also promised to provide legal assistance to Dr Aafia.

Dr Aafia has been in prison since 2010 on charges of attempted murder and assault on US military personnel during an interview with US authorities in Ghazni, charges which Siddiqui denies. She was sentenced to 86 years in prison at the Federal Medical Centre, Carswell, Fort Worth in Texas.

US offered Aafia's release in exchange for Raymond Davis, Bergdahl: sister

The Pakistani government had raised the issue of "respecting the human and legal rights" of Dr Aafia Siddiqui with US Ambassador Alice Wells who visited Islamabad on November 7.

"Government of Pakistan has been raising the issue of Dr Aafia Siddiqui with US authorities regularly. Pakistan's CG (consul general) in Houston pays Consular visits to Dr Aafia, periodically, to inquire about her well-being and conveys her messages to Dr Aafia's family if any," the Foreign Office had said in a statement on Wednesday.

"The issue of respecting the human and legal rights of Dr Aafia Siddiqui was also raised in the meeting at MoFA with Ambassador Alice Wells on November 6," it confirmed.

"The US side has promised to look into our request."

Responding to a question about Dr Shakil Afridi, Qureshi said that "no bargains take place among countries" and that Pakistan had its own stance on the incarcerated doctor. "We understand that Shakil Afridi acted against Pakistan's interests," he said.

Afridi, who had helped US authorities track down al-Qaeda founder Osama bin Laden, was arrested by Pakistani authorities after then-CIA director Leon Panetta and then-US secretary of state Hillary Clinton had confirmed the doctor's role in eliminating the al-Qaeda chief.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/218039-qu...ssible-diplomatic-efforts-to-bring-aafia-back
 
Pakistan should disown Aafia Siddiqui

Just because she is a woman and she was born in Pakistan, doesn't mean she is innocent, she is a terrorist and Pakistan should disown her. This is the woman who came to USA on student visa, got scholarship from American University, completed her studies, managed to stay in USA and got job.

Then she married to a Pakistani doctor, had three children with him and later she turned extremist and Jehadi. She left her husband, father of her three children and married to a terrorist, one of the master mind of 9/11 . She was arrested in Afghanistan with other Al-Qaida terrorist and now wonder USA will not let her go.

Its mind-boggling , Pakistan has been asking for her release. And, Mullas in Pakistan, who always find some reason to exploit anti-American tension to stay relevant are making her "dughtare-Pakistan" which is not.

I have great sympathies for her children who lost their mother to her extremist ideology and joined the enemies of the country, which gave her everything , USA.
 
Just because she is a woman and she was born in Pakistan, doesn't mean she is innocent, she is a terrorist and Pakistan should disown her. This is the woman who came to USA on student visa, got scholarship from American University, completed her studies, managed to stay in USA and got job.

Then she married to a Pakistani doctor, had three children with him and later she turned extremist and Jehadi. She left her husband, father of her three children and married to a terrorist, one of the master mind of 9/11 . She was arrested in Afghanistan with other Al-Qaida terrorist and now wonder USA will not let her go.

Its mind-boggling , Pakistan has been asking for her release. And, Mullas in Pakistan, who always find some reason to exploit anti-American tension to stay relevant are making her "dughtare-Pakistan" which is not.

I have great sympathies for her children who lost their mother to her extremist ideology and joined the enemies of the country, which gave her everything , USA.

Who told you all this? Lol
 
We already have too many extremists. No need another extremist. Good on the US to keep her locked away.
 
Can you provide the sources behind your post?
 
Just because she is a woman and she was born in Pakistan, doesn't mean she is innocent, she is a terrorist and Pakistan should disown her. This is the woman who came to USA on student visa, got scholarship from American University, completed her studies, managed to stay in USA and got job.

Then she married to a Pakistani doctor, had three children with him and later she turned extremist and Jehadi. She left her husband, father of her three children and married to a terrorist, one of the master mind of 9/11 . She was arrested in Afghanistan with other Al-Qaida terrorist and now wonder USA will not let her go.

Just like that ? Btw, nice story.
Its mind-boggling , Pakistan has been asking for her release. And, Mullas in Pakistan, who always find some reason to exploit anti-American tension to stay relevant are making her "dughtare-Pakistan" which is not.

I have great sympathies for her children who lost their mother to her extremist ideology and joined the enemies of the country, which gave her everything , USA.

Nice story.
 
Pakistan should disown her to get rid of the guilt?
 
Just because she is a woman and she was born in Pakistan, doesn't mean she is innocent, she is a terrorist and Pakistan should disown her. This is the woman who came to USA on student visa, got scholarship from American University, completed her studies, managed to stay in USA and got job.

Then she married to a Pakistani doctor, had three children with him and later she turned extremist and Jehadi. She left her husband, father of her three children and married to a terrorist, one of the master mind of 9/11 . She was arrested in Afghanistan with other Al-Qaida terrorist and now wonder USA will not let her go.

Its mind-boggling , Pakistan has been asking for her release. And, Mullas in Pakistan, who always find some reason to exploit anti-American tension to stay relevant are making her "dughtare-Pakistan" which is not.

I have great sympathies for her children who lost their mother to her extremist ideology and joined the enemies of the country, which gave her everything , USA.

Cool story bro.
You made it up all by yourself?
 
She is guilty of her crimes and is a terrorist

What was she doing in Afghanistan?
 
She is guilty of her crimes and is a terrorist

What was she doing in Afghanistan?

How are you so sure ? She could have been transported to Afghanistan. Imran Khan raised her issue 11 years ago, why would he do that for a terrorist ?
 
Some people still having a soft corner for her, I have some very simple question from them.

1-Did she not divorce her husband, father of her three children and married to an Al-Qaida terrorist ?
2-She was arrested from Afghanistan, Afghanistan was the last country someone would go for honeymoon, what was she doing there.
3-Why would USA would arrest a woman and sentenced for 87 years, unless she had committed a serious terrorist related or jehadi related crime, with Al-Qaida members ?
 
There was certainly more to her story. Her rantings in open court didn't help her case either. Despite all this her treatment has been nothing short of barbaric.
 
Denial is our national sport. If we could defend having Osama in our backyard, Aafia Siddiqui is nothing.

The solution to every accusation against Pakistan is to cry foul and call it a conspiracy. Our refusal to take ownership of our problems is the reason why we are in this state. We simply have no shame.

She is a terrorist and is not our problem anymore. The U.S. are free to do with her whatever they feel like. No sympathy for a terrorist.
 
Denial is our national sport. If we could defend having Osama in our backyard, Aafia Siddiqui is nothing.

The solution to every accusation against Pakistan is to cry foul and call it a conspiracy. Our refusal to take ownership of our problems is the reason why we are in this state. We simply have no shame.

She is a terrorist and is not our problem anymore. The U.S. are free to do with her whatever they feel like. No sympathy for a terrorist.

Before the usual suspects misquote me, I am not condoning rape, torture and other inhumane treatment.
 
Really angry about the fact that there are rumours of releasing this terrorist. She should had been hanged.

No wonder why countries like India promote for boycotts, we deserve such things.

This pathetic women is considered as the national daughter :facepalm:
 
Denial is our national sport. If we could defend having Osama in our backyard, Aafia Siddiqui is nothing.

The solution to every accusation against Pakistan is to cry foul and call it a conspiracy. Our refusal to take ownership of our problems is the reason why we are in this state. We simply have no shame.

She is a terrorist and is not our problem anymore. The U.S. are free to do with her whatever they feel like. No sympathy for a terrorist.

THe deniers are mostly those who do not even know about her case. They just follow the pakistani notion that she is innocent

Even if we assume that we do not know whether she is guilty or not, her behavior clearly shows her extremist views.

Back in the days, she was provided with lawyers by Pakistani embassey and she made a rant that those lawyers were jews and she didn't want any jews to represent her. She later on even made a rant about how jews are back stabbers.
 
Responding to a question about Dr Shakil Afridi, Qureshi said that "no bargains take place among countries" and that Pakistan had its own stance on the incarcerated doctor. "We understand that Shakil Afridi acted against Pakistan's interests," he said.

Afridi, who had helped US authorities track down al-Qaeda founder Osama bin Laden, was arrested by Pakistani authorities after then-CIA director Leon Panetta and then-US secretary of state Hillary Clinton had confirmed the doctor's role in eliminating the al-Qaeda chief.

How is helping find OBL acting against Pakistan's interests?
 
THe deniers are mostly those who do not even know about her case. They just follow the pakistani notion that she is innocent

Even if we assume that we do not know whether she is guilty or not, her behavior clearly shows her extremist views.

Back in the days, she was provided with lawyers by Pakistani embassey and she made a rant that those lawyers were jews and she didn't want any jews to represent her. She later on even made a rant about how jews are back stabbers.

Exactly. I had some sympathy for her before I researched her case, and there is no doubt whatsoever that she is involved in terrorism to a certain capacity.

The Pakistani bhakhts that have infiltrated this forum and are active on social media really don’t have an iota of shame. Crying about Islamophobia, Western conspiracy, Indian conspiracy and New World Order is all they are capable of.

These people are the reason why Pakistan have not made and will not make an inch of progress.
 
A terrorist deserves an execution. I would be surprised if she’s still alive.

Unfortunately for the majority, a Pakistani cannot be a terrorist. She, Hafiz Saeed, Masood Azhar etc. are all saints and victims of Western/Indian conspiracy.
 
Unfortunately for the majority, a Pakistani cannot be a terrorist. She, Hafiz Saeed, Masood Azhar etc. are all saints and victims of Western/Indian conspiracy.

It is not too hard to realize that there must be something seriously wrong with your country when every neighbor of yours have a problem with you. The whole world can’t be against you without a reason.
 
Unfortunately for the majority, a Pakistani cannot be a terrorist. She, Hafiz Saeed, Masood Azhar etc. are all saints and victims of Western/Indian conspiracy.

I bet if she didn't have a neuroscience degree from US, she would gave been considered "just" another terrorist. This is one deranged, dangerous woman. Pak should start disowning terrorists.
 
I bet if she didn't have a neuroscience degree from US, she would gave been considered "just" another terrorist. This is one deranged, dangerous woman. Pak should start disowning terrorists.

ah no.

Dr. Ayman Al Zawahiri is the current leader of Al Qaeda, but OBL was more famous than him.

It has nothing to do with being a doctor, its just the attention that one gets.We give her too much attention, and whats funny is that Dr. Ayman Al Zawahiri and Pakistani GOvt both are on the same chapter when it comes to Aafia.
 
In my eyes USA has lost any kind of authority on the matter of fighting terrorism or what's just and righteous. They were the ones who claimed to be the beacon of modern world, full of tolerance, human rights and freedom. Though then again they were the ones who threatened and manipulated everyone after 9/11 with "either you are with us or with the terrorists" and "either you help us and surrender your national ressources to us or we will bomb you into the stone age." Not much different than the terrorists who say "either you give us what we want or we will keep on exploding in your face."

Now these same moral leaders of the free world are sitting face to face with the very terrorists they wanted to destroy after 9/11, namely the Afghan Taliban. While those gullible, naive and to some extent power-hungery Afghans who belived in the American promise of freedom, democracy and a bright future for Afghanistan are being sidelined.

These moral people are so moral that yesterday they were busy playing the heros of the world and shouting loudly "we don't negotiate with the terrorists" while today they are refusing to recognize them as terrorists and offering them peace while at the same time those Afghans who chose to be on the side of America, who fought and sacrificed their everything for the "good" side and belived in the promise for freedom and democracy are being sold out and told to shut up if they dare to complain. (https://ariananews.af/in-unusual-move-u-s-summons-visiting-afghan-nsa-mohib/)

They were the ones who made us all believe that Iraq has "weapons of mass destruction" and needs to be invaded. The invasion and deaths of Iraqis was worth it since these sacrifices would be for a more democratic and free Iraq. Where is the democracy and freedom in Iraq? Where ever they went holding the banners of humanity and high moral values they made it worst for the natives and the region at large.

Keeping this in mind, I refuse to blindly believe I am on the moral side by continuing to support the narrative set by established liars, manipulator and bullies of the world. I don't feel the need to show how moral I am by jumping on the bandwagon of condemning each and everyone the leaders of the worlds have labeled as "terrorists". I don't believe in the word "terrorist". It is a biased label for the purpose of demonizing and dehumanizing an opponent and to be used by the self-interest of those in power. To me there are only killers and murderes. Those flying the drones and carpet-bombing whole villages are killers and those exploding in the markets are killers. None is better or worse than the other.

I find it a matter of great humiliation how we let the Americans deal with Afia. However even more painful and shameful it is to read stuff like:
"she was in Afghanistan, so she must be guilty"
"her husband was in alqaeda, so she must be guilty"
"she had extremist views, hence a terrorist so let's hang her"

I never knew being in a certain country automatically means you are a terrorist and you deserve everything coming to you, nor did I know that if one of your relatives is a criminal than you must be one too. I always thought one has to actually commit the crime to be put on a trial for it, while here forget committing the crime or a fair trail the accused is getting a direct verdict of death for having "extremist" views.

How quick we are to show that we are as innocent as a lamb and excersise high moral values. How quick we are to show our love for human rights and a peaceful world by condemning the evil and mean "terrorists". While those who we are trying to follow in footsteps only care about their self-interests and can handout or revoke their self-made label whenever it suits them.

There are countless stories of innocent people who ended up in Guantanamo and were tortured in the most inhumane way possible just because they ended up getting the label of "terrorist". Likewise in the case of Afia I don't believe in the USA's chains of events and they have very good reasons to keep her locked away. Due to the inhumane torture she was subjected to upon her capture, for instance. What a shame it would be if the world found out that those who claim to be the defenders of human right, the proponent of "innocent until proven guilty" and the guardians of oppressed women are the very first to break all kinds of principles when no one is watching and it suits their interests.

Mind you, I am not a believer in conspiracy theories nor a straight out denier of established facts like al-Qaida's involvement in 9/11 attacks or Bin Laden's presence in Abottabad. Still however I do not believe every word out of American's mouth for reasons illustrated above. I especially don't trust their narrative in Afia's case.
 
ah no.

Dr. Ayman Al Zawahiri is the current leader of Al Qaeda, but OBL was more famous than him.

It has nothing to do with being a doctor, its just the attention that one gets.We give her too much attention, and whats funny is that Dr. Ayman Al Zawahiri and Pakistani GOvt both are on the same chapter when it comes to Aafia.

I think it's her background too. Mom was an ex Pak senator. All her family was very well educated and could be said to be the cream of the crop in Pakistan. Every account points to a very erratic behaviour with her extremism views even during her education in the US. The proximity to KSM, the divorce and then the rhetoric all points to a deranged woman who wasted away her life and her children's future. From GOP's point of view, I think they played a dual game. They restrained her and helped Americans at some point. she was missing for a few years in between and apparently she was either under GOP custody or with KSM gang. They also sympathize with her because of the denial of majority of Pakistanis due to her priveleged background.
 
In my eyes USA has lost any kind of authority on the matter of fighting terrorism or what's just and righteous. They were the ones who claimed to be the beacon of modern world, full of tolerance, human rights and freedom. Though then again they were the ones who threatened and manipulated everyone after 9/11 with "either you are with us or with the terrorists" and "either you help us and surrender your national ressources to us or we will bomb you into the stone age." Not much different than the terrorists who say "either you give us what we want or we will keep on exploding in your face."

Now these same moral leaders of the free world are sitting face to face with the very terrorists they wanted to destroy after 9/11, namely the Afghan Taliban. While those gullible, naive and to some extent power-hungery Afghans who belived in the American promise of freedom, democracy and a bright future for Afghanistan are being sidelined.

These moral people are so moral that yesterday they were busy playing the heros of the world and shouting loudly "we don't negotiate with the terrorists" while today they are refusing to recognize them as terrorists and offering them peace while at the same time those Afghans who chose to be on the side of America, who fought and sacrificed their everything for the "good" side and belived in the promise for freedom and democracy are being sold out and told to shut up if they dare to complain. (https://ariananews.af/in-unusual-move-u-s-summons-visiting-afghan-nsa-mohib/)

They were the ones who made us all believe that Iraq has "weapons of mass destruction" and needs to be invaded. The invasion and deaths of Iraqis was worth it since these sacrifices would be for a more democratic and free Iraq. Where is the democracy and freedom in Iraq? Where ever they went holding the banners of humanity and high moral values they made it worst for the natives and the region at large.

Keeping this in mind, I refuse to blindly believe I am on the moral side by continuing to support the narrative set by established liars, manipulator and bullies of the world. I don't feel the need to show how moral I am by jumping on the bandwagon of condemning each and everyone the leaders of the worlds have labeled as "terrorists". I don't believe in the word "terrorist". It is a biased label for the purpose of demonizing and dehumanizing an opponent and to be used by the self-interest of those in power. To me there are only killers and murderes. Those flying the drones and carpet-bombing whole villages are killers and those exploding in the markets are killers. None is better or worse than the other.

I find it a matter of great humiliation how we let the Americans deal with Afia. However even more painful and shameful it is to read stuff like:
"she was in Afghanistan, so she must be guilty"
"her husband was in alqaeda, so she must be guilty"
"she had extremist views, hence a terrorist so let's hang her"

I never knew being in a certain country automatically means you are a terrorist and you deserve everything coming to you, nor did I know that if one of your relatives is a criminal than you must be one too. I always thought one has to actually commit the crime to be put on a trial for it, while here forget committing the crime or a fair trail the accused is getting a direct verdict of death for having "extremist" views.

How quick we are to show that we are as innocent as a lamb and excersise high moral values. How quick we are to show our love for human rights and a peaceful world by condemning the evil and mean "terrorists". While those who we are trying to follow in footsteps only care about their self-interests and can handout or revoke their self-made label whenever it suits them.

There are countless stories of innocent people who ended up in Guantanamo and were tortured in the most inhumane way possible just because they ended up getting the label of "terrorist". Likewise in the case of Afia I don't believe in the USA's chains of events and they have very good reasons to keep her locked away. Due to the inhumane torture she was subjected to upon her capture, for instance. What a shame it would be if the world found out that those who claim to be the defenders of human right, the proponent of "innocent until proven guilty" and the guardians of oppressed women are the very first to break all kinds of principles when no one is watching and it suits their interests.

Mind you, I am not a believer in conspiracy theories nor a straight out denier of established facts like al-Qaida's involvement in 9/11 attacks or Bin Laden's presence in Abottabad. Still however I do not believe every word out of American's mouth for reasons illustrated above. I especially don't trust their narrative in Afia's case.

Totally irrelevant nonsense. No body defending USA, question is why this women who joined al-quida and captured by US troops in Afghanistan is Pakistan's headache.
 
Just because she is a woman and she was born in Pakistan, doesn't mean she is innocent, she is a terrorist and Pakistan should disown her. This is the woman who came to USA on student visa, got scholarship from American University, completed her studies, managed to stay in USA and got job.

Then she married to a Pakistani doctor, had three children with him and later she turned extremist and Jehadi. She left her husband, father of her three children and married to a terrorist, one of the master mind of 9/11 . She was arrested in Afghanistan with other Al-Qaida terrorist and now wonder USA will not let her go.

Its mind-boggling , Pakistan has been asking for her release. And, Mullas in Pakistan, who always find some reason to exploit anti-American tension to stay relevant are making her "dughtare-Pakistan" which is not.

I have great sympathies for her children who lost their mother to her extremist ideology and joined the enemies of the country, which gave her everything , USA.

Aww
You truly speak the words of an "Uncle tom" or in your case "chacha tom"

BTW, if you are a person of colour or a Muslim, you will never be accepted as a mainstream american.
 
Totally irrelevant nonsense. No body defending USA, question is why this women who joined al-quida and captured by US troops in Afghanistan is Pakistan's headache.

Hogwash, she wasn't captured in Afghanistan, she was captured outside of her home in Karachi along with her kids. That's the idiotic story Americans and their stooge Musharaf tell that she was attacking their base in Afghanistan along with her three kids and was apprehended and while under arrest lunged at a marine and snatched his weapon and thats when she was shot.

It doesn't get any fantastical than that...
 
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Hogwash, she wasn't captured in Afghanistan, she was captured outside of her home in Karachi along with her kids. That's the idiotic story Americans and their stooge Musharaf tell that she was attacking their base in Afghanistan along with her three kids and was apprehended and while under arrest lunged at a marine and snatched his weapon and thats when she was shot.

It doesn't get any fantastical than that...
Yea everyone including her admits that she was captured in Afghanistan but he comes Mr. [MENTION=149123]Zhasan[/MENTION] with his top secret scoop of being abducted in Karachi.

Also if she has no link. Then why does Al Qaeda demand her release everytime they kidnap someone. Why does ISIS even demand her release? If she is a nobody and had no links surely she should be inconsequential
 
Hogwash, she wasn't captured in Afghanistan, she was captured outside of her home in Karachi along with her kids. That's the idiotic story Americans and their stooge Musharaf tell that she was attacking their base in Afghanistan along with her three kids and was apprehended and while under arrest lunged at a marine and snatched his weapon and thats when she was shot.

It doesn't get any fantastical than that...

Any idea ( or theory ) why was she captured outside of her home in Karachi ?
 
Totally irrelevant nonsense. No body defending USA, question is why this women who joined al-quida and captured by US troops in Afghanistan is Pakistan's headache.

What I posted is highly relevant especially considering how people are quick to go with the flow and label her as a terrorist and thereby handing out verdict.

She is Pakistan's issue cause any sovereign and worthy state should feel responsible for its citizen and if a citizen is accused of crime then there should be a proper judical process and not some "disappearance" for years followed by a verdict under questionable circumstances. Just like how USA felt responsible for the well-being of that US kid Warmbier who went to North Korea and got himself in trouble for doing some silly stuff. Any self-respecting nation looks out for its citizen. Pakistan should have had the opportunity to independently look into the accusations made against Afia and have them investigated.

The actual nonsense is written in your original post where your whole premise is that people supposedly think she is innocent because she is a women. You bringing up her gender, her marriage life and the crimes of her husband after their marriage is what's irrelevant. Because none of it makes any case for her being terrorist. On that note lets not foget her husband was tortured and water boarded for more than 100 times when he finally confessed being the mastermind behind 9/11.

Many husband hide stuff from their wives. What evidence is there that Afia knew her husband was in a terror organization before their marriage? What evidence is there that she divorced her previous husband just so that she could marry a jihadist? Which terror plots did Afia faciliated? How many suicide bombers did she train? What leadership position did she have in al-Qaida? Which al-Qaida camp in Afghanistan did she attend? Do we have audio or video recordings of here promoting terrorist ideals?

You are trying to convince me to not believe in her innocence just becuase she is a women. When thats pretty presumptuous of you. Since her gender or nationality isn't why I see her as "innocent", as pointed out in my post.

"Nobody defending USA"? The whole premise of your post was that the USA's narrative in Afia's case are pretty much the gospel truth. Therefore I see it rlas pretty relevant to point out why we shouldn't be taking USA's word when they declare someone a "terrorist" especially in the case of Afia where whole thing is pretty shady and many things have been kept secret. Read my post again it is pretty relevant or do you prefer to look at things in a vacuum and as isolated events?
 
Aww
You truly speak the words of an "Uncle tom" or in your case "chacha tom"

BTW, if you are a person of colour or a Muslim, you will never be accepted as a mainstream american.

Thanks for your concern about me , but all I'm trying to make people like you to understand Pakistan has too many problems of its own and we don't need to own sins of other people who have been creating problem for Muslims and Pakistan for their own idiotic, selfish and fanatic agenda.
 
Yea everyone including her admits that she was captured in Afghanistan but he comes Mr. [MENTION=149123]Zhasan[/MENTION] with his top secret scoop of being abducted in Karachi.

Also if she has no link. Then why does Al Qaeda demand her release everytime they kidnap someone. Why does ISIS even demand her release? If she is a nobody and had no links surely she should be inconsequential

Perhaps because the extremist in alqaeda and ISIS know exactly how to gain brownie points and support. By presenting themselves as 'the true guardian of opressed Muslim ummah" they are able to manipulate the naive, emotional and zealous youth. By claiming do make all efforts to rescue a Muslim women from the "prisons of crusaders" while "the coward Muslim government and armies" can't do anything.

You see we might think of them as nut-job jihadis but they know exaxtly how to PR and win loyalties.

Or did al-qaeda ever demand the release of 9/11 mastermind and other fellow extremist held in Guantanamo? There is a reason why they always used her name first. Nothing makes you look more like a hero than claiming to defend the honor of a opressed Muslim woman.
 
Perhaps because the extremist in alqaeda and ISIS know exactly how to gain brownie points and support. By presenting themselves as 'the true guardian of opressed Muslim ummah" they are able to manipulate the naive, emotional and zealous youth. By claiming do make all efforts to rescue a Muslim women from the "prisons of crusaders" while "the coward Muslim government and armies" can't do anything.

You see we might think of them as nut-job jihadis but they know exaxtly how to PR and win loyalties.

Or did al-qaeda ever demand the release of 9/11 mastermind and other fellow extremist held in Guantanamo? There is a reason why they always used her name first. Nothing makes you look more like a hero than claiming to defend the honor of a opressed Muslim woman.

You seems to be very knowledge able, please tell me why was she abducted from "Karachi" ? What was so special about her ?
 
You seems to be very knowledge able, please tell me why was she abducted from "Karachi" ? What was so special about her ?

This is not how it works.

Are you first willing to clairfy and expand on your initial position? Were you able to connect the dots and see why my initial post was relevant? You first need to properly address some of the arguments I made, some things you might agree or disagree with, before i feel motivated enough to address more of your concerns. Otherwise I get the feeling you arent really interested in reassessing your views and just want to argue for the sake of arguing. I am ready to change my views if you bring valid evidence and arguments.

Besides I might seem knowledgeable but I don't claim to be.
 
Pakistan is a nation of conspiracy theorists. They find solace in blaming others for their ills.

The Mullahs and Pakistanis in general would worship Imran Khan if he is able to bring her back to Pakistan.
 
For all those doing bhangra on her release, how would you answer the following questions?

1. What was she doing in Afghanistan?
2. Why did her husband divorce her?He is on record saying she had an extremist mindset
3.Why, whenever, Al-Qaeda kidnaps hostages, they demand the release Aafia. The most notable being when AQ overran Jordanian gas facility and demanded release of the Aaafia for the safe passage of gas workers.
4. Why did she marry the nephew of KSM?
 
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