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I've seen a lot of his videos on youtube, and have good idea about the type of person he is. What baffles me is why was he welcomed by TV channels in the first place. I mean, I'm sure such vile human beings exist in India as well. Yes, people spout rubbish in Indian channels, curse Pakistan day in and day out, but not once have I heard anyone here spew venom on a scale like he did against Indus and Hindus in particular. The damage he did to the youths of Pakistan with his lies is beyond repair.

He claims his anger towards Hindu's is a reply to RSS type fanatics in India who spew similar hate towards Muslims. The reason I dislike him is he starts swearing at everyone even Pak lady politicians who disagree with him. By all means he reserves the right to express his views but surely there is a moral code of conduct to be followed. Abusing people is not a talent neither is Pak gonna become a great country by listening to his screams and chest beating. Pak people don't need a license from him to show our patriotism.

Another thing is his hatred of Hindu's puts the fear of death in to the hearts of Pak Hindu's who love Pakistan too. He was also against the refurbishment of the many ancient Pakistani Hindu temples and sites over recent years too. Just coz India is oppressing their Muslim's doesn't mean we should do our Hindu's too. That is not the Pakistan most Pak people want.
 
Talking to Allah makes our heart feel lighter even though he knows what we are thinking. As for Ahmedis they should accept being non Muslim's like people of other religions to avoid any confrontation. I am not calling for them to be harmed rather it is for their own safety from the fanatic type of Muslim's. I simply tell people that I am from the same sect as Akka(saw). What sect is that?

This Mirza guy is only recognized by a few people mostly in Pakistan and India. No Muslim even considers him a scholar let alone anything else.

Ahmedis also consider rest of us as Non Muslims.
 
Ahmedis also consider rest of us as Non Muslims.

They obviously reject the kalimah and the finality of Rasoolullah(saw) being the last Prophet. This is what makes a Muslim and non Muslim hence it is them who are non Muslim's.
 
They obviously reject the kalimah and the finality of Rasoolullah(saw) being the last Prophet. This is what makes a Muslim and non Muslim hence it is them who are non Muslim's.

Does Kalimah say that Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) as the final prophet? It only says that Muhammed is a Rasool of God. I don't see any finality word in it.
 
Does Kalimah say that Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) as the final prophet? It only says that Muhammed is a Rasool of God. I don't see any finality word in it.


“Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah, of all things, Knowing.”

The Holy Quran 33:40
 
My point is that I have to follow the act of worship as done by the prophet . I cannot add to that , even though praying extra rakkat is NOT bad.

You in earlier post said if something does not harm anyone or is good in nature there is NO harm. I am trying to explain , in Biddat good or bad does not matter. When we add ourselves something to religion it is not right. There is a very clear hadith regarding this.

Whomever Allah guides, no one can lead him astray. Whomever Allah sends astray, no one can guide him. The truest word is the Book of Allah and the best guidance is the guidance of Muhammad. The most evil matters in religion are those that are newly invented, for every newly invented matter is an innovation, every innovation is misguidance, and every misguidance is in the Hellfire.”

Nasai 1578.

As far as Saudi Government is concerned , I do not know why you think I support them? I consider them wrong in every aspect. I am probably the only sunni who has strongly criticized The kingship started by Muawiyah and appointment of his son through bribe and sword. This saudi Government is continuation of the same system.

I do not support them , rather condemn them strongly.

You should follow what your conscience tells you. The problem with an ideology spread by govts that are Western proxies is that they can't stand any other opinions or thoughts. So you to yours, and us to ours
 
Does Kalimah say that Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) as the final prophet? It only says that Muhammed is a Rasool of God. I don't see any finality word in it.

It absolutely does. He is indeed the final Prophet(saw) of Allah. This is why Muslim's do not accept the likes of Nanak or the Sikh Guru's to be Prophet's at all for they came after Rasoolullah(saw).
 
It absolutely does. He is indeed the final Prophet(saw) of Allah. This is why Muslim's do not accept the likes of Nanak or the Sikh Guru's to be Prophet's at all for they came after Rasoolullah(saw).

I don't see it in Kalima.

Guru Nanak is not a prophet. He is a teacher and an enlightened one.
 
“Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah, of all things, Knowing.”

The Holy Quran 33:40

I was specifically talking about Kalimah. It only says that Muhammed is the Rasool of God. Not the final Rasool of God.

Regarding the verse you quoted, the correct translation is the "Seal of Prophets". Not "last of the prophets" like you posted.

Muslims claim that Seal is same as Last. I have heard debates over it.
 
I wonder how many of these Chest thumping munafiqs who claim to be Ashiqs actually practice fasting on every Monday as the prophet (saw) used to do it since he was born on this day.
 
I don't see it in Kalima.

Guru Nanak is not a prophet. He is a teacher and an enlightened one.

We Muslims consider Muhammad (PBUH) to be the final prophet. Anyone who says there is a prophet after Muhammad (PBUH) is not a Muslim; this is why Ahmadis are not considered to be a part of Ummah.
 
IMO,

The general guideline is,

In matters of Deen and worship, do ONLY AND ONLY what was prescribed by Allah and done by the prophet (saw), and you have covered your bases.
You do NOT need to do ANYTHING outside of that. No one can touch you on the day of judgement for "not doing" anything that wasn't done by the prophet (saw) to earn hasanaat and/or get spiritual elevation. These milaad gatherings Urs, Halwa, Chaleeswan etc, all fall in these "EXTRA" that was NOT done by the prophet (saw).

Many idiots come up with a counter by saying ... "ohh, so the prophet (saw) didn't eat Pizza or drove a car, so now, I can't eat a Pizza or drive a car?

To such idiots, "driving a car or eating a pizza" is NOT a matter that falls in "Deen and worship". Read the bold above again.


And in matters of the world (outside of deen/worship), everything is permissible EXCEPT for what was forbidden by Allah and the prophet (saw).


This above guideline is a not a set in stone rule, but if we follow it with in reason, we should be fairly well off.

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Remember, when you sow a small seed of biddah, it grows very quickly into a very strong tree.

A few centuries ago, someone might've thought to get together and pray naffal or do other worship ESPECIALLY because today, it's the birth day of the prophet (saw).

^^
This was the start of biddah (innovation in deen to include or exclude items in ibadaats or introducing new form of Ibadaadats for specific occasions etc).

And look how that small seed of Biddah turned into a strong tree.

https://streamable.com/rl8j74

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lol - these idiots can't imagine that after devouring so much green, probably your excretion will also be in green color ... what are you gonna do about that now?


Some idiots also say, "ohhh, so what's wrong in praying naffal and do worship on the occasion of the prophet's (saw) birth day?"

To them, what's wrong in giving Azaan?
Nothing right?
So start giving Azaan before Namaaz-e-Janaaza. And you should get more rewards.

Will you do it?
Perhaps not. Why because? The prophet (saw), did not do it.


IMO,
If a Muslim focuses to complete ONLY the Farz and Sunnah then, he wouldn't have any time and/or energy left to indulge into these Khurrafaats.


But the problem is, Islamic guidance is not mandated in Pakistan.
In Saudi, the govt has a mandate and every religious scholar is bound to preach Islam by a certain govt approved mandate.

In Pakistan, these Molvies have been let lose and they have gone wild.

Every molvi has made his own "chaar eent ki masjid", and he preaching his version of Islam ONLY TO ONLY make money and earn a living.

Hur molvi ko apni dukaan chamkaani hai, so they have divided the public into groups and every molvi is getting his share. This is all what it is.

Harri pagi, safeed pagri, yellow pagri, sunni, shia, baraivli, deobandi, Ashiqaan (saw), Khatam-e-nabuvat (saw) group, Anti Qadiyani group ... what is all this? Every molvi and his team behind promoting this junky movements is making a living out of these groups. This is all what it is. Hur aik molvi ki dukaan chammak rahi and the gullible public is dancing like a monkey on the drum beat.
 
They obviously reject the kalimah and the finality of Rasoolullah(saw) being the last Prophet. This is what makes a Muslim and non Muslim hence it is them who are non Muslim's.

I was answering the excuse that they make saying love for all hatred for none. It is just to fool other Non Muslims.
 
You should follow what your conscience tells you. The problem with an ideology spread by govts that are Western proxies is that they can't stand any other opinions or thoughts. So you to yours, and us to ours

As a Muslim I am supposed to follow Quran and hadeeth , and that is what I am doing , those who are celebrating Milad are following own whims and desires.
 
I don't see it in Kalima.

Guru Nanak is not a prophet. He is a teacher and an enlightened one.

Guru Nanak is believe to be a Teacher and enlightened by Sikhs , but In Islam he is not. His followers do things which is against fundamentals of Islam , Sikhism has nothing to do with Islam.
 
I was specifically talking about Kalimah. It only says that Muhammed is the Rasool of God. Not the final Rasool of God.

Regarding the verse you quoted, the correct translation is the "Seal of Prophets". Not "last of the prophets" like you posted.

Muslims claim that Seal is same as Last. I have heard debates over it.

The companions knew Arabic much better than any of us. When another person claimed to a prophet , they fought and killed him. What did they understood from the verse?

There are multiple hadeeth in which prophet Muhammad himself says that he is the final prophet and there will be NONE after him , and the words used is direct and explicit.

Does that leave any doubt ?
 
The companions knew Arabic much better than any of us. When another person claimed to a prophet , they fought and killed him. What did they understood from the verse?

There are multiple hadeeth in which prophet Muhammad himself says that he is the final prophet and there will be NONE after him , and the words used is direct and explicit.

Does that leave any doubt ?

There is also a Hadith where Prophet PBUH says that if there were a Prophet after him, it would be Umar.

So the finality of Prophethood is not etched in stone like you are saying.
 
I've seen a lot of his videos on youtube, and have good idea about the type of person he is. What baffles me is why was he welcomed by TV channels in the first place. I mean, I'm sure such vile human beings exist in India as well. Yes, people spout rubbish in Indian channels, curse Pakistan day in and day out, but not once have I heard anyone here spew venom on a scale like he did against Indus and Hindus in particular. The damage he did to the youths of Pakistan with his lies is beyond repair.

What nonsense.

The youth of Pakistan, like the rest of Pakistan do not vote for parties which are hateful towards Hindus or even India. The big 3 (PTI, PML N, and PPP) parties all are respectful towards Hindus and want good relations with India. Maybe someone in these parties might hate Hindus, but they would be a fringe.

Now lets see India. We hear on almost daily basis BJP politicians trash Muslims with their dog whistle politics.

The difference is in Pakistan those vile people who hate Hindus wont be elected to anymore than a few seats. While in India they have a majority in government.


I've seen a lot of his videos on youtube, and have good idea about the type of person he is. What baffles me is why was he welcomed by TV channels in the first place. I mean, I'm sure such vile human beings exist in India as well. Yes, people spout rubbish in Indian channels, curse Pakistan day in and day out, but not once have I heard anyone here spew venom on a scale like he did against Indus and Hindus in particular. The damage he did to the youths of Pakistan with his lies is beyond repair.

Yes like your Prime Minister. Compare Modi with IK, Zardari, and Nawaz. Have they ever said anything remotely anti Hindu compared to Modi?
 
There is also a Hadith where Prophet PBUH says that if there were a Prophet after him, it would be Umar.

So the finality of Prophethood is not etched in stone like you are saying.

If their were a prophet. Not their will be a prophet.


The finality of the prophet is basic Islamic theology.
 
I don't see it in Kalima.

Guru Nanak is not a prophet. He is a teacher and an enlightened one.

To the Sikh's Nanak is God in human flesh much like Christ(as) is to the Christians. They are both more then Prophet's to these two communities. See the quote from post 165 and the final speech made by the Prophet of Allah(saw) where he says there will be no one after him.
 
I was answering the excuse that they make saying love for all hatred for none. It is just to fool other Non Muslims.

The Ahmedis should stop calling themselves Muslim's then there will be no arguments with the Muslim's.
 
I wonder how many of these Chest thumping munafiqs who claim to be Ashiqs actually practice fasting on every Monday as the prophet (saw) used to do it since he was born on this day.

The Prophet(saw) was perfect where as Muslim's are not. Us believers can not be compared to him in anyway that does not make us hypocrites. We can only do our best.
 
The Prophet(saw) was perfect where as Muslim's are not. Us believers can not be compared to him in anyway that does not make us hypocrites. We can only do our best.

ohhhh ,,, so the total worth of that "Ishq" melts like butter when it comes to fasting a day? lol

But you said something that is true.
"We are not perfect".


And that's EXACTLY what should help us realize that only and only a PERFECT entity has the right to claim that he is the Ashiq of Rasool (saw). And that entity is Allah only.

For us humans, our dirty tongues are not even qualified to say his (saw)'s name. How the heck can we claim to be his (saw)'s Ashiqs?

We are sinners and we are going to face an accountability of our sins and dirty acts. We have watched porn, we have lied, we have deceived, we have eaten haram, we have hurt people with our tongues, we have back bitten .... just think about it, with what face are we going to face him (saw) on the judgement day?

We should practice meekness and docility and stay 2 million miles away from uttering from our dirty mouths that we are "Ashiqs".

The love for the prophet (saw) should be kept in heart and be expressed by our actions. And some of these actions are; be a forgiving person, be generous, be kind to others, control your anger, be honest in your day to day work, develop good manners, obey our parents, practice cleanliness, obey law etc. And do not indulge in lies, deception, tyranny, forfeit the rights of others.

To me, it's sad and hilarious at the same time,
Did you notice the state of streets and the junk/trash/loads of filth these streets are filled with where the Milaad Jaloos passes through? While the hadeeth tells us that cleanliness is half of emaan.

May be the blood thirsty and chest thumping Ashiqs can start cleaning up their streets and their mohallah and keep it in immaculate shape to express their love for the prophet (saw)?

Or you gonna come back with the same excuse, "we are not perfect" so that's not for us to worry about?

Our job is only to recite naat, waste energy and resources on the light show to emulate milaad with Christmas light show, and we are done with expressing our love for the prophet (saw)? And yeah, we have dyed our beards in green too.
 
If you feel that way, then stick to what you think is best.

Look it is not my feelings , it is on basis of Quran and Hadeeth.

All these scholars you see on media who are pro Milad , they will die but will not be able to provide a single authentic evidence from quran or hadeeth , all they will do is give emotional rants.
 
There is also a Hadith where Prophet PBUH says that if there were a Prophet after him, it would be Umar.

So the finality of Prophethood is not etched in stone like you are saying.

The problem is that when you do not learn a particular language and know when terms are used in what context.

The quran says to prophet to say that if Allah swt had a son , I would have been first to worship him.
( surah zukruf )

Does that mean that there is a chance that Allah swt will have a son?

This is how the Arab that time made sentences.
 
The Ahmedis should stop calling themselves Muslim's then there will be no arguments with the Muslim's.

They should but they will not . The reason is simple , Mirza Ghulam own writings are nothing but nonsense , with this they cannot propagate own cult , they have to use Islmaic name , literature , aqeedah everything.

In Islamic Jurisprudence , Ahmedis should not be called disbelievers , in reality they should be called zindeeq.

I would not go into detail , go and ask a knowledgeable scholar what is zindeeq and what shariah says about them.
 
Look it is not my feelings , it is on basis of Quran and Hadeeth.

All these scholars you see on media who are pro Milad , they will die but will not be able to provide a single authentic evidence from quran or hadeeth , all they will do is give emotional rants.

Thanks for that.
 
ohhhh ,,, so the total worth of that "Ishq" melts like butter when it comes to fasting a day? lol

But you said something that is true.
"We are not perfect".


And that's EXACTLY what should help us realize that only and only a PERFECT entity has the right to claim that he is the Ashiq of Rasool (saw). And that entity is Allah only.

For us humans, our dirty tongues are not even qualified to say his (saw)'s name. How the heck can we claim to be his (saw)'s Ashiqs?

We are sinners and we are going to face an accountability of our sins and dirty acts. We have watched porn, we have lied, we have deceived, we have eaten haram, we have hurt people with our tongues, we have back bitten .... just think about it, with what face are we going to face him (saw) on the judgement day?

We should practice meekness and docility and stay 2 million miles away from uttering from our dirty mouths that we are "Ashiqs".

The love for the prophet (saw) should be kept in heart and be expressed by our actions. And some of these actions are; be a forgiving person, be generous, be kind to others, control your anger, be honest in your day to day work, develop good manners, obey our parents, practice cleanliness, obey law etc. And do not indulge in lies, deception, tyranny, forfeit the rights of others.

To me, it's sad and hilarious at the same time,
Did you notice the state of streets and the junk/trash/loads of filth these streets are filled with where the Milaad Jaloos passes through? While the hadeeth tells us that cleanliness is half of emaan.

May be the blood thirsty and chest thumping Ashiqs can start cleaning up their streets and their mohallah and keep it in immaculate shape to express their love for the prophet (saw)?

Or you gonna come back with the same excuse, "we are not perfect" so that's not for us to worry about?

Our job is only to recite naat, waste energy and resources on the light show to emulate milaad with Christmas light show, and we are done with expressing our love for the prophet (saw)? And yeah, we have dyed our beards in green too.

We do express our love for Islam and it's Prophet(saw) in many ways but can never compare with him. Our shortcomings you are mentioning is an endless list but it does not male us apostates or disbelievers. It is our individual responsibility like cleaning up our own mess which we do not do. Ya know most Muslim's listen more to the Mullah's trying to be like them, reminds me of the last speech by Naseeruddin Shah in "Khuda Ke Liye" where he makes this point. Do you ever me to say that "we'll be like the Prophet?". If so then you are so ignorant about it.

Milad again is celebrated and ignored by an equal amount of Muslim's. My point is simply that we have to take care of our own litter and deeds instead of worrying about someone else's.
 
No need to discuss Ahmedi/Qadianis on this thread
 
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